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February 21, 2015, 08:17:54 PM
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https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).


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February 21, 2015, 08:20:00 PM
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Sorry for bringing it up again, but i just used xmr.to and its excellent! Super fast. Super easy. Super useful. Thanks!

Thanks Smiley Really happy that people like the service.
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February 21, 2015, 08:45:13 PM
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Please apologize this X-post. I wrote the following text for a different, specialized Monero thread and have now decided: I want to post it here again. Everybody active in the Monero project or other new/interested people can read it here.

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DRK is no real, ultimate competitor. The Monero Project has a certain future (there is enough demand and  Monero offers significant benefits for legal usage/users). Monero has a solid chance (best-case-scenario) to become one of the leading, widely-used and supported Crypto Currency, even if it won't become the leading trading-coin on the Dark Net.

Two things are important:
- don't concentrate all your posts, thoughts, involvement about becoming sick rich (with XMR), like Bitcoin Early Adopters (this creates bad atmosphere and work attitude)

- Monero is about building our new, own ecosystem and with all the related-services, 1.) the basic ones we need, to create a healthy, vivid coin, that has a real chance to survive organically and the 2.) the services & use-cases we like to have (and maybe miss elsewhere)

- i suggest establishing the idea: of turning around this disadvantage, of not being able to use the hole developed & estab. Bitcoin-Infrastructure & -software, into an potential/strength: we have the chance to build an Crypto Currency ecosystem from scratch, exact the way we want and need it, free from historic boundaries & rules, with the help and usage of todays: technology, knowledge and practical experience with other CCs

- we can and should learn from all the problems, questionable developments and judged with todays knowledge bad/not ideal design decision in Bitcoin and we should do it
- to have a coin and ecosystem that has a chance of long-term usage and success, for us self [increasing our satisfaction & added value by contributing to Monero] and for all the future users that we want and need, so the project and currency reaches usage numbers and the public status, it needs to: just stay alive, stay fair and economically wise to use (long term)
- so it can evolve and improve and hopefully be successful

- Another essential fact to note: we have to work and create a currency, community and ecosystem that is independent from Dark Web-usage, focussing on easy usage and handling for all users (not only standard end-users, also other E-Commerce relevant players: like merchants, power users with certain requirements, vendors, site owners, media, ...).
Once we have build this privacy-centric coin, we should inform the interested/relevant general public outside of the Crypto scene about Monero, to attract many "real-world users", to use Monero because of it's features and (unique) benefits.

- there is no value in: "faking" E-Commerce, when we as XMR community send around coins back and forth for stupid services & random gimmicks or [like other failed coins] thinking, some illegal online gambling sites with XMR will be enough to create an solid ecosystems

We need to work hard and persistent to create this first small real, legit XMR E-Commerce.
We need these non-tech/non-crypto people for feedback to improve XMR clients, apis, services and processes.
If we can get there and we have: real users, the software solutions (where people understand and are happy to use Mult-Sig-TXs e.g. for escrow), honestly earned trust from the media, tech community & co and we as community have shown we really help and support XMR professional early adopters,
THEN: Dark Web-adoption will come and if XMR really adds benefits for Dark Web-trading, it may become the dominant, leading privacy-coin (with the expected big growth in price)

I read alot of posts talking about "DRK vs XMR battle", "supposed advantages DRK has over XMR, so DRK will be the leading dark web coin and everyone supporting Monero is stupid", "Monero ain't interesting to hold/trade, there is no price development, no price pump I can participate ...." coming from generally bad (informed) posters, non technical alt-coin-community and or newbs, with newly regged accounts and childish behavior.
These people are wrong. The Monero project and community is way more & multifaceted and honestly intrinsic motivated. All the people in the XMR community I talked with, really believed in and lived after the principals and ideas Monero represents.
We don't have actors (like alot of other projects), just pseudo-participating a bit to get rich. People support Monero, because they really support the conception and ideas & values behind it, the innovative technology used, the open & democratic development process and the higher-than-average  friendly, intelligent, pleasant & pro-active community.

---> don't let these bullshit thoughts get into your brain Smiley and tell these posters they are wrong


That's all I had on my mind and wanted to say. Thank you.
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February 21, 2015, 08:55:49 PM
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You should write longer posts more often, your writing style is very understandable, direct and not overcomplicated .. while at the same time makes many points.

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February 21, 2015, 09:06:26 PM
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Well thought out contribution.
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February 21, 2015, 09:30:30 PM
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I dont think there is a need to move the forum from forum.monero.cc to monero.cc but a link to the forum on the monero.cc page would not hurt.


https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



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February 21, 2015, 09:40:12 PM
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I dont think there is a need to move the forum from forum.monero.cc to monero.cc but a link to the forum on the monero.cc page would not hurt.


https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



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I mean, it's easier for newcommers to remember a full domain, which is what they're used to. Than have to type in a sub domain. It looks better aesthetically, is easier to remember, and much more common. Even forum.bitcoin.org, was changed into this forum, bitcointalk.org

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February 21, 2015, 09:42:08 PM
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yes but the intention of that domain name was not to be a forum so a forum was made under it.  New users could remember the easy domain name and navigate to forum with link on main page.

I dont think there is a need to move the forum from forum.monero.cc to monero.cc but a link to the forum on the monero.cc page would not hurt.


https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



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I mean, it's easier for newcommers to remember a full domain, which is what they're used to. Than have to type in a sub domain. It looks better aesthetically, is easier to remember, and much more common. Even forum.bitcoin.org, was changed into this forum, bitcointalk.org
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February 21, 2015, 09:46:57 PM
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yes but the intention of that domain name was not to be a forum so a forum was made under it.  New users could remember the easy domain name and navigate to forum with link on main page.

I dont think there is a need to move the forum from forum.monero.cc to monero.cc but a link to the forum on the monero.cc page would not hurt.


https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



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I mean, it's easier for newcommers to remember a full domain, which is what they're used to. Than have to type in a sub domain. It looks better aesthetically, is easier to remember, and much more common. Even forum.bitcoin.org, was changed into this forum, bitcointalk.org

What i mean is, its probably easier and common to access a forum through a full domain, rather than a subdomain. Newusers want things as quick, and easy as possible.

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February 21, 2015, 09:50:16 PM
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yes but the intention of that domain name was not to be a forum so a forum was made under it.  New users could remember the easy domain name and navigate to forum with link on main page.

I dont think there is a need to move the forum from forum.monero.cc to monero.cc but a link to the forum on the monero.cc page would not hurt.


https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



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I mean, it's easier for newcommers to remember a full domain, which is what they're used to. Than have to type in a sub domain. It looks better aesthetically, is easier to remember, and much more common. Even forum.bitcoin.org, was changed into this forum, bitcointalk.org

What i mean is, its probably easier and common to access a forum through a full domain, rather than a subdomain. Newusers want things as quick, and easy as possible.

Try this: http://moneroforum.org
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February 21, 2015, 09:53:08 PM
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I dont think there is a need to move the forum from forum.monero.cc to monero.cc but a link to the forum on the monero.cc page would not hurt.


https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



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I agree that there should be a stand out link to the forum from the main monero.cc webpage. Shouldn't take but a minute to do for the site admin
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February 21, 2015, 10:20:02 PM
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https://forum.monero.cc/20/general-discussion/159/move-this-subdomain-forum-monero-cc-to-a-full-domain-like-moneroforum-org-or-any-other-you-can-think-of

I propose to move the forum on forum.monero.cc, to a full domain name. Initially, even I was confused as to where the monero forum hosted by the core team would be, until I realized it was a subdomain"forum.monero", that was it's URL. If the forum was hosted on a full domain, it'd be much easier for newcommers to remember(and go back to), rather than a subdomain(which a lot of people aren't familiar with).



As jwinterm pointed out, someone already pointed http://moneroforum.org/ to forum.monero.cc

Frankly I (personally) think there's limited value in putting it on an unrelated subdomain, but I absolutely am open to people suggesting why that is preferable, and I would take such a suggestion back to the rest of the core team for discussion.

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February 22, 2015, 12:19:05 AM
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Is that really a divorceable offense now days?


All I know is that thanks to BinaryFate, Arnushcky, and a nameless other genius; I can use Monero to pay cam girls without my better-half getting the better of me in divorce court.  Grin

Not divorceable, but more of a "I'm gonna use this to take more of your stuff, asshole" able.

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February 22, 2015, 01:46:59 AM
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LOL fair enough!

Is that really a divorceable offense now days?


All I know is that thanks to BinaryFate, Arnushcky, and a nameless other genius; I can use Monero to pay cam girls without my better-half getting the better of me in divorce court.  Grin

Not divorceable, but more of a "I'm gonna use this to take more of your stuff, asshole" able.
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Can someone explain to me what the view key and spend key do in Mymonero.com?

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February 22, 2015, 05:05:51 AM
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Can someone explain to me what the view key and spend key do in Mymonero.com?


my understanding is they do the same thing that they do in the regular client.

i.e., the view key allows others to see your transactions.... the spend key allows you to spend your monero from your wallet - its your private key.

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February 22, 2015, 10:30:48 AM
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Can someone explain to me what the view key and spend key do in Mymonero.com?

my understanding is they do the same thing that they do in the regular client.

i.e., the view key allows others to see your transactions.... the spend key allows you to spend your monero from your wallet - its your private key.

If I correctly understood, that's the principle, but it's not been implemented in simplewallet or mymonero.
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February 22, 2015, 10:44:03 AM
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As jwinterm pointed out, someone already pointed http://moneroforum.org/ to forum.monero.cc

Frankly I (personally) think there's limited value in putting it on an unrelated subdomain, but I absolutely am open to people suggesting why that is preferable, and I would take such a suggestion back to the rest of the core team for discussion.

I didn't really understand whether you argue against a subdomain as forum.monero.cc or another domain as moneroforum.org?! In case of the latter, I agree with you. Smiley I like subdomains and find them quite easy to use, but I can see that someone less technically inclined might dislike them... Smiley

Overall, the current forum situation is a mess that extends far beyond the domain name. The goal for the monero discussion is to separate from bitcointalk, but there are currently 3 options (or 4?) and it's quite unclear who's operating what and which is supposed to be the main forum.

Can't we consolidate everything into one single forum?

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February 22, 2015, 10:55:00 AM
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I didn't really understand whether you argue against a subdomain as forum.monero.cc or another domain as moneroforum.org?! In case of the latter, I agree with you. Smiley I like subdomains and find them quite easy to use, but I can see that someone less technically inclined might dislike them... Smiley

Overall, the current forum situation is a mess that extends far beyond the domain name. The goal for the monero discussion is to separate from bitcointalk, but there are currently 3 options (or 4?) and it's quite unclear who's operating what and which is supposed to be the main forum.

Can't we consolidate everything into one single forum?

Ah sorry if I was ambiguous - I mean that having it as a subdomain is just fine (and, incidentally, if you Google for "monero forum" it's up at the top) as most people won't type it in, they'll click on a link or whatever.

The official forum (forum.monero.cc) is operated by the Core Team, and is the only one we consider "main". This will be clearer, I think, once tomorrow's Missive is out (I'll be sure to put it out in the morning so nobody has to wait;)

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February 22, 2015, 12:10:01 PM
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Can someone explain to me what the view key and spend key do in Mymonero.com?

The view key identifies transactions. This key is shared with the MyMonero server, which allows the server to recognize your payments from the blockchain and show them to you on the web site.

The spend key allows spending coins. This key is not shared with the MyMonero server, and is only used within your browser to sign outgoing transactions.
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