[XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency

[thejaytiesto]

What are some marketplaces that accept monero? Supposedly you are working with i2p. There are sites accepting XMR now? I dont know how to use i2p yet so havent checked.

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[Anon136]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

u don't trust

http://coinmarketcap.com/

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I trust it. I just don't know which of those are cryptonote platforms. I looked at the cryptonote website and compared that list to the coinmarketcap but for all i know there could be some newer platforms that are missing from the cryptonote website. Thats the only reason i asked.

[smooth]

What are some marketplaces that accept monero? Supposedly you are working with i2p. There are sites accepting XMR now? I dont know how to use i2p yet so havent checked.

There are very few sites accepting XMR. Other than exchanges https://www.cryptocoins-dice.com/ is the only one I know about.

i2p is not integrated yet.

[smooth]

We're trying to get a community wide minimum mixin level of 3, correct?

I think the community should start petitioning the major exchanges to modify their withdrawal function.

Nice suggestion.

To have to go through an intermediary mymonero wallet is... ridiculous.

AFAIK you don't have to use an intermediary wallet. I think that if you just have to resend them to yourself. Which is kind of ridiculous anyway but its a little simpler.

well, if you do that, whats the point?

exchange --- (low mix) ---> your address ---- (high mix) ----> your same address...

there's already an easily traceable link to your primary address. All you've done is given tx fees to miners. Which is great for miners.

Nobody can tell that the addresses are the same. For all anyone can tell those coins moved off to a completely different owner, and in fact the high mix spend is ambiguous so they could have moved off in to a number of different places. In fact it isn't even visible whether the coins moved. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

[smooth]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

[nioc]

We're trying to get a community wide minimum mixin level of 3, correct?

I think the community should start petitioning the major exchanges to modify their withdrawal function.

Nice suggestion.

To have to go through an intermediary mymonero wallet is... ridiculous.

AFAIK you don't have to use an intermediary wallet. I think that if you just have to resend them to yourself. Which is kind of ridiculous anyway but its a little simpler.

well, if you do that, whats the point?

exchange --- (low mix) ---> your address ---- (high mix) ----> your same address...

there's already an easily traceable link to your primary address. All you've done is given tx fees to miners. Which is great for miners.

Nobody can tell that the addresses are the same. For all anyone can tell those coins moved off to a completely different owner, and in fact the high mix spend is ambiguous so they could have moved off in to a number of different places. In fact it isn't even visible whether the coins moved. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

I remember you recently stating that you had used one wallet for transfers from exchanges and then sent that Monero to a different wallet so that you could use a higher mixin value because exchanges use a mixin of 0 or 1.  From what you are saying here, different wallets are not necessary.

[Hueristic]

Cross-posted from: https://xmrmonero.com/article/en/monero-torrent

We are proud to announce the release of a torrent of Monero 0.8.8.6 for Windows. This torrent includes the blockchain, lightwallet.exe and simplewallet.exe. The complete torrents weights 2.4 Gb.

To download, open your favorite torrent application and enter the following magnet link (double click to select it all):

magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2F68E7CC7FB7AC264758DE3BBA3108AA87F07C99&dn=bitmonerod.zip&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.publicbt.com%3a80%2fannounce&tr=udp%3a%2f%2ftracker.ccc.de%3a80%2fannounce

Remember to keep seeding after you downloaded, to make the download faster for the ones who come after you.

Below are md5 and virus scans

• md5sum bitmonerod.zip: a8f6baf1ae8ac9ad8970f79c0430165d
• md5sum bitmonerod.exe: a8f6baf1ae8ac9ad8970f79c0430165d
• md5sum lightWallet.exe: 6e9aa82cd7388aaf5e408d4a8adb883e
• md5sum simplewallet.exe: d65a3970a03eb2f6f8f2e3e480c42b8e

The executables have been scanned with virustotal. lighWallet.exe has three positives (probably false), the others have none.

• virustotal bitmonerod.exe   https://www.virustotal.com/fr/file/2be461957e345e4f47e076f662e3723ea8917235095f5a65e38ef04dc5565eaa/analysis/
• virustotal lightWallet.exe  https://www.virustotal.com/fr/file/59ef30e01b06143a7e701999f66781d554103458db55c24d5abe1e88c533fbe5/analysis/1422055875/
• virustotal simplewallet.exe https://www.virustotal.com/fr/file/50354e03a9cf4349d6b83553a7db7203c5527015c39af5e5da69072db0b6ad40/analysis/

updated by David Latapie

Probably?

Dnloading and Hosting.

[smooth]

We're trying to get a community wide minimum mixin level of 3, correct?

I think the community should start petitioning the major exchanges to modify their withdrawal function.

Nice suggestion.

To have to go through an intermediary mymonero wallet is... ridiculous.

AFAIK you don't have to use an intermediary wallet. I think that if you just have to resend them to yourself. Which is kind of ridiculous anyway but its a little simpler.

well, if you do that, whats the point?

exchange --- (low mix) ---> your address ---- (high mix) ----> your same address...

there's already an easily traceable link to your primary address. All you've done is given tx fees to miners. Which is great for miners.

Nobody can tell that the addresses are the same. For all anyone can tell those coins moved off to a completely different owner, and in fact the high mix spend is ambiguous so they could have moved off in to a number of different places. In fact it isn't even visible whether the coins moved. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't.

I remember you recently stating that you had used one wallet for transfers from exchanges and then sent that Monero to a different wallet so that you could use a higher mixin value because exchanges use a mixin of 0 or 1.  From what you are saying here, different wallets are not necessary.

Since there is no coin control it is hard to do this without separate wallets. If you move coins from an exchange to a wallet that has some other coins in it, you can't really respend the exchange coins (using a higher mix) without also respending your other coins, which wastes money on fees.

It also somewhat links your other coins to the exchange coins since they would be used in the same tranasction. The linkage is weak since there is ambiguity about which coins are actually used, but it is easy to avoid the issue by using a separate intermediate wallet.

In the future I imagine there will be coin control features in wallets so you would be able to say "just move these coins"

[smooth]

Probably?

The binary is just the python source for lightwallet plus a self-installer that comes from pyinstaller. We don't fully understand the issue but one guess is that some malware has used pyinstaller as well, so it kicks off some false positives. We don't think there is a high risk here, but jwinterm (author of lightwallet) is looking to see if there is another way to package it to avoid the virustotal hits.

[Anon136]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

Thanks so much! I'm very interested in cryptonote more generally rather than monero specifically, im here because monero has the most traction, but im interested in anything else that has some traction and uses cryptonote also. So I'll have to look into sdc.

[smooth]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

Thanks so much! I'm very interested in cryptonote more generally rather than monero specifically, im here because monero has the most traction, but im interested in anything else that has some traction and uses cryptonote also. So I'll have to look into sdc.

They will tell you it isn't cryptonote because they want to market it as something brand new and completely unique. And indeed it is (as far as I know) an independent implementation, but it uses one time ring signatures with key images and stealth addresses, so make up your own mind on the matter. I've already given my opinion.

[smooth]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

Thanks so much! I'm very interested in cryptonote more generally rather than monero specifically, im here because monero has the most traction, but im interested in anything else that has some traction and uses cryptonote also. So I'll have to look into sdc.

lol shadowcash heres all you need to know about it: http://pastebin.com/S7aKCDgy

lol, I hadn't see that, but I've always said that richlists are a scam.

[Anon136]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

Thanks so much! I'm very interested in cryptonote more generally rather than monero specifically, im here because monero has the most traction, but im interested in anything else that has some traction and uses cryptonote also. So I'll have to look into sdc.

They will tell you it isn't cryptonote because they want to market it as something brand new and completely unique. And indeed it is (as far as I know) an independent implementation, but it uses one time ring signatures with key images and stealth addresses, so make up your own mind on the matter. I've already given my opinion.

Do you have any personal opinions on SDC? Seeing as you have studied it at least some amount. They make a lot of promises. If it delivers on half of them it should be valued higher than it is so that looks atleast a little suspicious.

[Anon136]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

Thanks so much! I'm very interested in cryptonote more generally rather than monero specifically, im here because monero has the most traction, but im interested in anything else that has some traction and uses cryptonote also. So I'll have to look into sdc.

They will tell you it isn't cryptonote because they want to market it as something brand new and completely unique. And indeed it is (as far as I know) an independent implementation, but it uses one time ring signatures with key images and stealth addresses, so make up your own mind on the matter. I've already given my opinion.

Do you have any personal opinions on SDC? Seeing as you have studied it at least some amount. They make a lot of promises. If it delivers on half of them it should be valued higher than it is so that looks atleast a little suspicious.

I think you should probably ask in their thread.

Ask smooth a question in their thread? Why should i expect him to see it there?

[smooth]

Does anyone know if there are any other cryptonote currencies ahead of or near monero in capitalization?

There are no other cryptonote-based coins in the top 100 on coinmarketcap besides XMR and BCN.

SDC uses a cryptonote-based design for their anonymous tokens, which is a bit different in terms of coin design and doesn't share code but the cryptography is almost identical.

Thanks so much! I'm very interested in cryptonote more generally rather than monero specifically, im here because monero has the most traction, but im interested in anything else that has some traction and uses cryptonote also. So I'll have to look into sdc.

They will tell you it isn't cryptonote because they want to market it as something brand new and completely unique. And indeed it is (as far as I know) an independent implementation, but it uses one time ring signatures with key images and stealth addresses, so make up your own mind on the matter. I've already given my opinion.

Do you have any personal opinions on SDC? Seeing as you have studied it at least some amount. They make a lot of promises. If it delivers on half of them it should be valued higher than it is so that looks atleast a little suspicious.

Its basically a premined/instamined fast-PoW-to-PoS coin using the "create a coin with no features, mine/instamine all of it at next to no cost" model, then add features and hope it goes up. Supposedly a tiny number of people own basically all the coins. I'm not a fan of that.

As I said earlier, it uses cryptonote methods for anonymity so that part is more or less fine, but I don't really see the value added by reimplementing it. That seems to have been done for marketing purposes, to claim it is unique instead of a clone.

[iCEBREAKER]

If Bytecoin has Multisig then why can't Monero add that code?

It only has Multisig for mixin 0. This limits its usefulness.

Limited usefulness is still useful.  No need to make perfect the enemy of good enough for critical purposes like decentralized escrow, especially when ideal solutions require research sufficient for a breakthrough (which might require a hard fork to implement).

Minimum mixin of 3 seems far too low.  Would it make the blockchain explode if the minimum was 33 or 99?

Looking forward to finding out if Tomaso Aste is Nicolas van Saberhagen, who just happens to have the same initials as Nick Szabo!

And smooth was wrong, there are three Cryptonote coins in the top 100 (XMR, BCN, and XDN).  If you filter the non/pre-mined shitcoins, BBR also makes the cut.

[smooth]

Limited usefulness is still useful.  No need to make perfect the enemy of good enough for critical purposes like decentralized escrow, especially when ideal solutions require research sufficient for a breakthrough (which might require a hard fork to implement).

I agree to a point. Any multisig would require a hard fork at this point, btw.

Minimum mixin of 3 seems far too low.  Would it make the blockchain explode if the minimum was 33 or 99?

Sure it would (transaction size is close to linear with mixin size), but I disagree that a minimum of 3 is far to low. Why do you say that?

Looking forward to finding out if Tomaso Aste is Nicolas van Saberhagen, who just happens to have the same initials as Nick Szabo!

Look, these guys are lying scammers; that is pretty well proven. I have no reason to believe whoever they stick up there to shill is actually the original inventor, and if it is, well that's just one more person identifed as a lying scammer.

And smooth was wrong, there are three Cryptonote coins in the top 100 (XMR, BCN, and XDN).  If you filter the non/pre-mined shitcoins, BBR also makes the cut.

Yes you are right!

Believe it or not, I searched for XDN, but I looked for "ducknote." Doh!

[Drhiggins]

How do you generate a Payment ID with simple wallet?  Or can you?

[jwinterm]

How do you generate a Payment ID with simple wallet?  Or can you?

You can't, afaik, but you can use this website:
https://www.grc.com/passwords.htm

Payment id is just a 64 character hex string, so you can just grab what's in the "64 random hexadecimal characters (0-9 and A-F)" field.

[Drhiggins]

Thanks for the link . Simple enough.  Does anyone know if the GUI will have a payment ID generator?