Pre-order Bitcoin Magazine - Quality control, final revisions on proofs

[Matthew N. Wright]

Since my comment has been erased from the online edition of the magazine, I have no other choice but to post here about the "newbies" review of wallet options.
One again, I am writing this because the reviewer is using the name of the service my colleagues and I have decided to offer to the bitcoin community for free, namely instawallet, as title to his review.

He is citing as "disadvantages" the following:
 "You have to trust the provider not to be careless or malicious" Isn't it true of just ANY third party provider ?
When I am using the bitcoin client I am trusting the developers to be  not malicious nor careless.

It's an OPTION offered to everyone, not an obligation nor a "disadvantage", unless you ASSUME the provider to be careless, which in our case is totally unjustified
.
A review is not supposed to qualify as "disadvantages", options that are offered to users.
Otherwise, he could just by the same logic qualify as a "disadvantage" the option to control one's own keys because EVERYBODY can be careless at times in handling them.

I have no idea why your comment was deleted if it indeed was, because commenting on the article page is the correct way to dispute issues with an article and its contents. It allows not only the author of the article but the community to know the truth and allows everyone to react accordingly with the correct information.

That said, I am not entirely sure what you are arguing here, although I understand if your comment was removed for some reason that you would want to voice your opinion in this thread. Can you create another thread of discussion about this and post the link here? I would also like to get to the bottom of this and most importantly I would like to find out what exactly it is you're talking about.


EDIT:

[8:21:53 PM] Vitalik Buterin: [...] changed to "You have to trust the provider not to be careless or malicious to a much greater extent than any other solution, since no one can audit any code and the provider (or someone hacking the provider) can potentially decide to run away with everyone’s funds at a moment’s notice"

EDIT 2: Apparently the article had to be reformatted at one point (probably due to the translations we are adding) and it caused all comments to be removed (not just yours).

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[farfiman]

It's great to see that the magazine will really be shipping "soon". I remember on Feb 9th, 2012 when I paid for the first issue that it would be shipping "soon". It's great to see how much progress has been made. Wait a minute . . . there hasn't been any progress. Forget it. Go back to mining, trading, arbitrage, alt coins etc.

Thats the bottom line.  If nothing was paid for in advance nobody would complain ( ok , there probably would be some trolls that would complain even then    )

[Matthew N. Wright]

It's great to see that the magazine will really be shipping "soon". I remember on Feb 9th, 2012 when I paid for the first issue that it would be shipping "soon". It's great to see how much progress has been made. Wait a minute . . . there hasn't been any progress. Forget it. Go back to mining, trading, arbitrage, alt coins etc.

Thats the bottom line.  If nothing was paid for in advance nobody would complain ( ok , there probably would be some trolls that would complain even then    )

Heard loud and clear. You'll have the news you're looking for this week. 

[N12]

Wow, this thread is three months old now!

[BTCurious]

Wow, this thread is three months old now!

Let's have a little party

[Dusty]

He is citing as "disadvantages" the following:
 "You have to trust the provider not to be careless or malicious" Isn't it true of just ANY third party provider ?
When I am using the bitcoin client I am trusting the developers to be  not malicious nor careless.

With open source software you have the option to download the sources, check and compile them by yourself (or doing so using the services offered by a third party if you prefer).

So, if you want, you can be 100% sure there is no malicious code and you do not have to trust the developers or anybody else.

With services offered via a web site you can't: you always need to trust someone else not chosen by you.

And that's not an negligible difference, if you ask me.

[cbeast]

He is citing as "disadvantages" the following:
 "You have to trust the provider not to be careless or malicious" Isn't it true of just ANY third party provider ?
When I am using the bitcoin client I am trusting the developers to be  not malicious nor careless.

With open source software you have the option to download the sources, check and compile them by yourself (or doing so using the services offered by a third party if you prefer).

So, if you want, you can be 100% sure there is no malicious code and you do not have to trust the developers or anybody else.

With services offered via a web site you can't: you always need to trust someone else not chosen by you.

And that's not an negligible difference, if you ask me.

I must have missed where I could compile my Android Bitcoin client. That's why I won't trust them with any large amount. Are you saying we should not trust any other clients other than open source at all?

[Dusty]

Are you saying we should not trust any other clients other than open source at all?

No, I didn't: where have you read this?

Some solution gives you more control, some less: only open source software gives you complete and total control.

You choose which one is suitable for you in relation of the amount of money you have to handle, and having more options too choose from it's usually better.

[Matthew N. Wright]

Are you saying we should not trust any other clients other than open source at all?

No, I didn't: where have you read this?

Some solution gives you more control, some less: only open source software gives you complete and total control.

You choose which one is suitable for you in relation of the amount of money you have to handle, and having more options too choose from it's usually better.

More to the point, when you are one that gives less rather than more, you don't get butt-hurt about being called "less". You advertise it as "less".

[Dansker]

About time...

[Spekulatius]

Are you saying we should not trust any other clients other than open source at all?

No, I didn't: where have you read this?

Some solution gives you more control, some less: only open source software gives you complete and total control.

You choose which one is suitable for you in relation of the amount of money you have to handle, and having more options too choose from it's usually better.

More to the point, when you are one that gives less rather than more, you don't get butt-hurt about being called "less". You advertise it as "less".

Hi Matthew, dont wanna blow smoke up your ass mate,
but didnt you promise not to troll anymore and focus on the magazine:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76322.0

What was that, a TROLL POST?

[Matthew N. Wright]

What was that, a TROLL POST?

No. Trolling is harassing to get a rise out of people. I am responding to people. I might be responding in a more livid way since it's 3am here, but I'm not trolling.

If I were trolling, I wouldn't waste it on this thread. There are about 20 threads right now that are begging for it.

[ZodiacDragon84]

What was that, a TROLL POST?

No. Trolling is harassing to get a rise out of people. I am responding to people. I might be responding in a more livid way since it's 3am here, but I'm not trolling.

If I were trolling, I wouldn't waste it on this thread. There are about 20 threads right now that are begging for it.

+1

[Phinnaeus Gage]

What was that, a TROLL POST?

No. Trolling is harassing to get a rise out of people. I am responding to people. I might be responding in a more livid way since it's 3am here, but I'm not trolling.

If I were trolling, I wouldn't waste it on this thread. There are about 20 threads right now that are begging for it.

+1

You are so sick, Zodiak, giving a +1 to a post penned by a man who's clearly going through trolling withdrawals.

[Garr255]

Are you saying we should not trust any other clients other than open source at all?

No, I didn't: where have you read this?

Some solution gives you more control, some less: only open source software gives you complete and total control.

You choose which one is suitable for you in relation of the amount of money you have to handle, and having more options too choose from it's usually better.

More to the point, when you are one that gives less rather than more, you don't get butt-hurt about being called "less". You advertise it as "less".

Hi Matthew, dont wanna blow smoke up your ass mate,
but didnt you promise not to troll anymore and focus on the magazine:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76322.0

What was that, a TROLL POST?

He was trolling when he made that promise.

[ZodiacDragon84]

What was that, a TROLL POST?

No. Trolling is harassing to get a rise out of people. I am responding to people. I might be responding in a more livid way since it's 3am here, but I'm not trolling.

If I were trolling, I wouldn't waste it on this thread. There are about 20 threads right now that are begging for it.

+1

You are so sick, Zodiak, giving a +1 to a post penned by a man who's clearly going through trolling withdrawals.

Was it something I said? Trololololol. Matt is working hard. And some day, we are going to turn around, and he is going to be in the corner, doing stuff

[Phinnaeus Gage]

May, June or July, or should we layout that last?

[BitLucky]

WTF is going on with this magazine?? there is enough **** out there to write a book about bitcoin, let alone a damn magazine  !

[SgtSpike]

It's great to see that the magazine will really be shipping "soon". I remember on Feb 9th, 2012 when I paid for the first issue that it would be shipping "soon". It's great to see how much progress has been made. Wait a minute . . . there hasn't been any progress. Forget it. Go back to mining, trading, arbitrage, alt coins etc.

Thats the bottom line.  If nothing was paid for in advance nobody would complain ( ok , there probably would be some trolls that would complain even then    )

Heard loud and clear. You'll have the news you're looking for this week. 

The week.  It is almost up.

[Dansker]

Well, at least I got my Coineer magazine now.

So it did end up being the first physical bitcoin magazine after all...