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August 01, 2014, 05:58:19 PM
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Ok, here is the suggestion. Before pumpers claim that the anonymity actually works, the devs and pumpers could:
a) set up a test blockchain,
b) release the source code that works in the test blockchain,
c) and make some wild claims about working anonymity only after this anonymity solution receives critical review from independent experts. Independent = not affiliated to this coin, not being paid by devs/pumpers/bagholders etc.




LMFAOL... someone is dying to steal CRYPT source code LOL.... or should I say has been trying for the last 2 months HAHA

Why should I steal something that probably won't work?

Just admit it, you want to steal it.. It's so obvious... lol

Whatever the reason, like knightlife stated, you have a personal vendetta with crypt and key coin.

Why should I steal it? To create another anonymous scamcoin? I'm not interested in that.



It's ok to admit that you want to steal CRYPT source code, pbremen01.. we totally understand  Smiley

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August 01, 2014, 07:14:02 PM
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Ok, here is the suggestion. Before pumpers claim that the anonymity actually works, the devs and pumpers could:
a) set up a test blockchain,
b) release the source code that works in the test blockchain,
c) and make some wild claims about working anonymity only after this anonymity solution receives critical review from independent experts. Independent = not affiliated to this coin, not being paid by devs/pumpers/bagholders etc.




LMFAOL... someone is dying to steal CRYPT source code LOL.... or should I say has been trying for the last 2 months HAHA

Why should I steal something that probably won't work?

Just admit it, you want to steal it.. It's so obvious... lol

Whatever the reason, like knightlife stated, you have a personal vendetta with crypt and key coin.

Why should I steal it? To create another anonymous scamcoin? I'm not interested in that.



It's ok to admit that you want to steal CRYPT source code, pbremen01.. we totally understand  Smiley

Again, why would I want to steal it? To create anonther scammy altcoin?

There are many reasons why people are interested in anonymity. Creating another scamcoin is just one of many reasons.

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August 01, 2014, 08:49:24 PM
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I have met scammers in the past who come at things with questions like "why should I steal the source code" or "why should I do this or that", just like in the 0.4 BTC borrow / theft post that went on for many pages.  That guy kept asking "why should I repay it?".

So, pbremem01, just from the questions you ask, I can tell you are up to no good.  You don't fool me.
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August 01, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
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So, pbremem01, just from the questions you ask, I can tell you are up to no good.  You don't fool me.

So in your opinion people who want to independently review implementation of anonymity feature to see if it really has a chance to provide any kind of anonymity are up to no good?
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August 02, 2014, 12:36:53 AM
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haters and fudders (you know who you are, I wont name anyone):
Why not go to a thread for a coin that you DO support?  Do something constructive with your time rather than saying the same shit in the same place over and over.  I certainly have no issues with you posting here, I just don't understand why you do.  If you feel it is a scam coin and don't like it then find a coin(s) that you do support and like and spend time working with them rather than wasting space here.
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August 02, 2014, 03:27:51 AM
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haters and fudders (you know who you are, I wont name anyone):
Why not go to a thread for a coin that you DO support?  Do something constructive with your time rather than saying the same shit in the same place over and over.  I certainly have no issues with you posting here, I just don't understand why you do.  If you feel it is a scam coin and don't like it then find a coin(s) that you do support and like and spend time working with them rather than wasting space here.

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August 02, 2014, 06:58:28 AM
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I just logged onto Mintpal to check CRYPT prices, and saw it at 232K, and down from a high of over 280K.  Whadju.... ikuh... ghi ghi..... WHEN THE HELL DID THIS HAPPEN?!?!?! Quick quick quick... log in and sell my shitcryptcoins!

Then I realized I was looking at CLOAKcoin.  Dammit.
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August 02, 2014, 07:01:11 AM
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I predict the same scenario with CRYPT, but we will start from 15k ;] so imagine your profit if you buy in now. I hope it will be released before Keycoin's decentralized system and XCurrency.
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August 02, 2014, 07:38:18 AM
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I agree, open source would be good. I think it's headed that way long-term, but don't quote me on that ;-)

I think that one of the reasons for being closed source in the world of anon coin is the fear that the anonymity can be easily compromised.

There were also public threats:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28hqu3/warning_to_all_anonymous_coins_promoters_and/

Cryptcoin and keycoin are already targets of heavy fud attacks:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28jwxr/reason_why_cryptcoin_is_not_anonymous/
(there was also another post on reddit but it was deleted by crypt moderators)

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2c6pax/program_that_deanonymizes_anonymous_keycoin/


legit, anon coins are always going to be under the spotlight. Probably some groups / governments that don't want to see the existence of an anon crypto coin that is very good.

I agree that a novice developer would want to keep anon features closed source for fear of 'obvious' mistakes in the code, however I think we can all agree that MF is not a novice dev. I personally am willing to bet on his talent.

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I agree, open source would be good. I think it's headed that way long-term, but don't quote me on that ;-)

I think that one of the reasons for being closed source in the world of anon coin is the fear that the anonymity can be easily compromised.

There were also public threats:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28hqu3/warning_to_all_anonymous_coins_promoters_and/

Cryptcoin and keycoin are already targets of heavy fud attacks:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/28jwxr/reason_why_cryptcoin_is_not_anonymous/
(there was also another post on reddit but it was deleted by crypt moderators)

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2c6pax/program_that_deanonymizes_anonymous_keycoin/


legit, anon coins are always going to be under the spotlight. Probably some groups / governments that don't want to see the existence of an anon crypto coin that is very good.

I agree that a novice developer would want to keep anon features closed source for fear of 'obvious' mistakes in the code, however I think we can all agree that MF is not a novice dev. I personally am willing to bet on his talent.


I don't agree that these groups don't want to see the existence of an anon crypto coin that is very good. Their goal is to publicly attack coins that don't have good anonymity. So that at the end only the coin(s) (if any at all - coins with anonymity based on bitcoin-like blockchains will have hard time achieving any kind of serious anonymity) that has the best possible anonymity remain.

I see these attacks as a "natural selection" of the coins. Most coins won't survive them, some may. The devs that develop these coins in general don't have enough mathematical/cryptographic knowledge and they may inadvertently create vulnerabilities in their coins. These vulnerabilities will be sooner or later exposed.






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1.19:02 @litepresence: moosa is on his way I just msgd him


2.19:02 (asoom) hello


3.19:02 (asoom) its me moosa :)


4.19:02 @litepresence: moosa maarx ; maarx moosa


5.19:03 (asoom) Hi maarx


6.19:03 @litepresence: maarx is an op at #BC


7.19:03 (asoom) I see


8.19:03 @litepresence: friends w/ the dev rat4


9.19:03 @litepresence: we've been chatting about pr marketing strategy...


10.19:03 @litepresence: seeing if I might stir up some interest in alliance


11.19:03 @litepresence: they have hired a PR firm


12.19:04 (asoom) Interesting


13.19:04 @litepresence: Max Borges Agency


14.19:04 @litepresence: we've been doing most of our work in house


15.19:04 maarx: Hi guys yeah so..


16.19:04 maarx: Yes what's up


17.19:04 @litepresence: any chance you could entice rat4 over here?


18.19:05 (asoom) I know rat4 spoke with mogonzo a while back


19.19:05 maarx: sec.


20.19:05 @litepresence: thx


21.19:08 (asoom) So litepresence what have you guys discussed thus far?


22.19:08 @litepresence: Well I went over the run down with "what ahppened " to whitecoin


23.19:09 @litepresence: We talked about our mutual feelings towards kleeve


24.19:09 maarx: not sure if rat4 will join..


25.19:09 @litepresence: kind of anti partnership or just doesn't have time atm?


26.19:13 maarx: he's quite busy


27.19:13 maarx: and his English is bad


28.19:13 maarx: so he prefers the update


29.19:14 @litepresence: http://i.imgur.com/Cu8GAyJ.jpg


30.19:14 (asoom) ahaha


31.19:14 maarx: haha


32.19:14 @litepresence: http://i.imgur.com/Cu8GAyJ.jpg


33.19:14 maarx: so whitecoin started really bad


34.19:14 maarx: fake dev, dump premine


35.19:14 @litepresence: basically


36.19:15 maarx: no pos planning and basically scam


37.19:15 maarx: me and some others knew this


38.19:15 @litepresence: 110%


39.19:15 maarx: but who to contact... lol


40.19:15 maarx: community just hates you when you inform them


41.19:15 @litepresence: I hear it.. WC supporters got blindsided


42.19:15 @litepresence: so we took it into our own hands


43.19:15 @litepresence: and made the coin do what it was supposed to do


44.19:15 @litepresence: in that time...


45.19:15 @litepresence: Mintpal was subject to an attaack


46.19:16 @litepresence: at 50BTC on our behalf


47.19:16 maarx: mintpal lost a lot of $$ on whitecoin


48.19:16 @litepresence: yeah  at least $20k usd


49.19:16 @litepresence: I think crypsy had some losses too


50.19:16 @litepresence: but they have both been banking on the 100BTC daily volume


51.19:16 maarx: if not for that immense blackcoin volume mintpal 'd be insolvent hehe


52.19:17 maarx: and I take it you guys helped them too? 50 btc you say?


53.19:17 @litepresence: yeah 50 BTC loss for Mintpal


54.19:17 @litepresence: Mintpal covered it no questions asked because we had new devs on the project that were upfront and open


55.19:18 maarx: so.. you are a group of investors


56.19:18 maarx: that work on coins?


57.19:19 @litepresence: well our group has investors, devs, pr people, etc etc.


58.19:19 @litepresence: we meet regularly and pool our resources


59.19:20 maarx: so.. you pick a coin


60.19:20 maarx: work infrastructure


61.19:20 maarx: genuinely help their value up


62.19:20 maarx: make profit on the way up


63.19:20 maarx: let it roll from there?


64.19:21 (asoom) We plan to set a foundation for future altcoins, to hopefully prevent things like this from happening in the future, however that is a tertiary goal for us but one i plan on achieving


65.19:21 @litepresence: whitecoin stuffing mix


66.19:21 @litepresence: http://imgur.com/OuYpurB


67.19:22 @litepresence: atm my focus is on pulling our investors out of WC at  profit through "good works"


68.19:23 @litepresence: = man hours in PR advertising etc.


69.19:23 @litepresence: beyond the days of dev time that went into reviving the broken POS system and shit wallet


70.19:23 (asoom) Whats the status on the PR firm LP hired by WC jesus


71.19:23 (asoom) ?


72.19:23 @litepresence: I don't know homie


73.19:23 @litepresence: been out of the loop past two days with


74.19:23 (asoom) cool ill have a chat with him then


75.19:24 (asoom) sounded really cool what he had in store


76.19:24 @litepresence: @lenapoker and @KianLawley


77.19:24 @litepresence: I haven't told you about kian yet lol


78.19:24 (asoom) ah yes lol


79.19:24 (asoom) whos kian?


80.19:24 (asoom) i heard about Lena


81.19:24 @litepresence: Offered him 50k myriadcoin


82.19:24 @litepresence: lemme get u link to his work


83.19:25 (asoom) ok


84.19:25 @litepresence: https://twitter.com/KianLawley


85.19:25 @litepresence: http://www.youtube.com/user/superkian13/videos


86.19:26 @litepresence: lena and I have become pretty good friends.  I'm chatting with her daily now


87.19:26 @litepresence: https://twitter.com/lenapoker


88.19:26 (asoom) very nice


89.19:26 @litepresence: I think if we can get lena and kian on coin promo's for us we're golden in the teenie bopper arena


90.19:26 (asoom) ahaha


91.19:27 (asoom) very good description lol


92.19:27 (asoom) well any exposure is good


93.19:27 (asoom) :)


94.19:27 @litepresence: I sent you pm via skype re: retweet for contact w/ kian


95.19:27 @litepresence: I'm hoping to get him involved in our MYR investment


96.19:27 maarx: so guys.. xD


97.19:27 @litepresence: sorry


98.19:27 @litepresence: lol


99.19:27 maarx: hehe :P


100.19:28 @litepresence: xD


101.19:28 @litepresence: so what could WC do for BC and what could BC do for WC


102.19:28 @litepresence: how could we unite our brands and benefit both?


103.19:28 (asoom) Mutual Alliance


104.19:29 @litepresence: whenever one is talked about the other is always mentioned in conversation


105.19:29 @litepresence: now that AC is basically "out of the picture"


106.19:29 maarx: so right..


107.19:29 maarx: BC had an enormous price jump


108.19:29 @litepresence: we have a certain rivalry / alliance opportunity that should be embraced


109.19:29 maarx: which actually got the hype for WC going


110.19:29 maarx: we hated WC dev  Kleeve


111.19:29 maarx: well not hated


112.19:29 maarx: but we werent neutral


113.19:29 @litepresence: moosa how do you feel about kleeve?


114.19:29 maarx: we are neutral towards u guys


115.19:30 maarx: but Kleeve just want quick money and no long term support for market


116.19:30 maarx: then 2/ a lot of ppl who got into WC were greedy bastards


117.19:30 maarx: they sold Blackcoin between 2000- 9000


118.19:30 maarx: and hit themselves in the head


119.19:30 (asoom) Kleeve is not good to have around


120.19:30 (asoom) he is doing the thing we want to prevent


121.19:31 (asoom) releasing scam coins


122.19:31 maarx: got into whitecoin and kinda only cared about going 10,000% like Blackcoin


123.19:31 @litepresence: I keep connected to him on skkype... on a "keep enemies close" level


124.19:31 @litepresence: but yeah... I trust him as far as I can throw my car


125.19:32 @litepresence: I think one of our biggest missions in crypto is to open ourselves up to broader audiences OUTSIDE of the neckbeard wizard scene


126.19:34 @litepresence: that's what's got me on my recent teenie bopper social media slant... but of course there are other areas to branch into


127.19:35 maarx: I agree..


128.19:35 maarx: That isk inda my take with Blackcoin aswell


129.19:35 @litepresence: asoom this was that tweet I neede retweeted to kian


130.19:35 (asoom) good we think alike then


131.19:35 @litepresence: https://twitter.com/oraclepresence/status/465240412983394304


132.19:35 maarx: We don't have large investor groups in blackcoin.. not that I know off


133.19:35 maarx: Blackcoin is from the ground up


134.19:35 maarx: people who came together


135.19:35 @litepresence: warm bodies is key to long term success


136.19:35 maarx: and realised we should work together on shit to get crypto out to the world


137.19:36 @litepresence: personally I dislike doge as there is nothing innovative about it


138.19:36 (asoom) Thats Why I think WC should be an example imo


139.19:36 @litepresence: but they have the warm bodies thing figured out


140.19:36 (asoom) to prevent scum like kleeve from doing harm to the community as a  whole to exchanhes to investors to everyone


141.19:37 @litepresence: the way that doge has created the whole "much wow" meme


142.19:37 @litepresence: I think WC and BC have potential for some form of "meme" creation


143.19:37 @litepresence: If we could create some type of coke vs pepsi type thing


144.19:37 (asoom) OH


145.19:38 @litepresence: it would harden both of our fanbases


146.19:38 (asoom) black spy vs white spy


147.19:38 (asoom) ahaha


148.19:38 (asoom) thats actually pretty good


149.19:38 (asoom) and its vintagy like the posters weve been making


150.19:38 maarx: hehe


151.19:38 @litepresence: there are all kinds of black/white slants and black white ad campaigns we could come up with I'm sure.


152.19:39 (asoom) ya


153.19:39 maarx: but what is your group.. about.. I dont understand really.. you invest in several coins and give them a head start


154.19:39 maarx: at the same time you want a foundation that basically filters shitcoins right?


155.19:39 @litepresence: but I feel like we should get to gether...a few members from each community and brainstorm


156.19:39 maarx: I'm all up for that


157.19:39 maarx: but what's this thing with Fontas you mentioned?


158.19:40 @litepresence: he's not a member of our group


159.19:40 (asoom) maarx the group i am in is a trading group with major networking, we were the group which saved WC from ruin


160.19:40 @litepresence: but we are friends and have contact with fontas


161.19:40 @litepresence: he's a great source of wisdom


162.19:40 (asoom) fontas has mentioned his interest in joining but I dont fully trust him yet


163.19:40 (asoom) I do like his input


164.19:40 (asoom) he is very intelligent


165.19:41 (asoom) but I wanted to vet him longer


166.19:41 @litepresence: you might say each of us has reservations in dealing w/ fontas but we can't dismiss what he has to say... we're all pretty well connected via BTCe


167.19:41 (asoom) aha yeah im wokring with btce lol


168.19:42 (asoom) Im a mod there but I am in constant contact with the admins


169.19:42 @litepresence: http://i.imgur.com/zNR2r05.jpg


170.19:43 @litepresence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHUVe0UxUI


171.19:44 @litepresence: afk brb


172.19:48 maarx: hi.. so.. I am interested in talking with you guys .. see if there is anything we can do for each other.. in essence we want to push crypto for mass adoption


173.19:50 (asoom) and in order to do that imo we need to do something about these alt markets


174.19:50 (asoom) alts are the first place people with little to no experience in crypto go first


175.19:50 (asoom) for the average small time investor younger people they turn to doge etc


176.19:51 (asoom) and they get wrapped up in the enviroment where it is not safe


177.19:51 (asoom) i can count more scam coins then i have fingers on my hands


178.19:51 (asoom) a WC redemption story can be good to use later on


179.19:53 (asoom) I am sure you heard of the support WC got when the first wave of troubles were shown, devs from across the community offered support with little to no payment that is the type of shit we need going for alt community


180.19:55 maarx: so .. we should / could have a team that audits the source / team on new alts.. right?


181.19:55 maarx: I kinda know what happened with WC yes..


182.19:56 maarx: a lot of pepl jumped in


183.19:56 @litepresence: something we talked about was "certification"


184.19:56 @litepresence: kind of like organic food


185.19:57 @litepresence: have a few "independent" certification programs


186.19:58 @litepresence: like "organic" "fair trade" "non gmo project" "rainforestalliance" etc


187.20:04 (asoom) maarx I would very much like to talk with others on your team get some input how we can progress maybe rat4 soon


188.20:04 maarx: hi so yes..


189.20:04 maarx: rat4 is not the man you want to contact


190.20:04 maarx: he is a coindev


191.20:05 maarx: and he only cares for sourcecode..


192.20:05 maarx: he helped mint, helped cinni


193.20:05 maarx: and works on blackcoin source a lot


194.20:05 maarx: 3000+ commits


195.20:05 maarx: I like the certification thing.


196.20:05 maarx: Crypto needs to boost consumer confidence..


197.20:05 maarx: The blackcast we stated we were here to stay..


198.20:05 maarx: and that makes people confident.. or more so than they were..


199.20:05 maarx: can you imagine a company saying this?


200.20:06 maarx: Tim Horton's: ey guys, we are here to stay


201.20:06 (asoom) lol


202.20:06 (asoom) tim hortons


203.20:06 maarx: it shows how low confidence in crypto is


204.20:06 (asoom) yes


205.20:06 @litepresence: I'm not familiar w/ "blackcast" explain?


206.20:06 (asoom) blackcast is there video podcast for BC


207.20:06 maarx: yes so we are doing a weekly video podcast for blackcoin and crypto related


208.20:06 @litepresence: link?


209.20:06 maarx: www.theblackcast.com


210.20:06 @litepresence: thanks


211.20:06 maarx: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/251fzg/blackcast_2_your_host_wizfarm_with_soepkip_maarx/


212.20:07 maarx: but BLK has been under super heavy fire lately


213.20:07 maarx: from all sides


214.20:07 @litepresence: I thought your symbol was BC you trade under BLK too ?


215.20:07 maarx: Yes


216.20:07 maarx: BC and BLK


217.20:08 @litepresence: lol I though BLK was some other coin


218.20:09 smille_ (~smille_@75-142-56-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined the channel.


219.20:09 maarx: hehe


220.20:09 (asoom) fuck now i wanna cig watching that podcast lol


221.20:09 @litepresence: smille is another persona from our trading group and whitecoinfoundation


222.20:09 smille_: hey guys


223.20:10 maarx: hehe


224.20:10 maarx: ey smille_


225.20:10 maarx: so I am a bit afk, hard to reach because. .well


226.20:10 maarx: idk


227.20:10 maarx: a little under fire lol


228.20:11 maarx: we looking to get transcripts for the blackcast too..


229.20:11 maarx: because some ppl are readers.. like me


230.20:11 smille_: get dragon and a proofreader :)


231.20:11 (asoom) everyone is smoking in that podcast video


232.20:11 (asoom) lolol


233.20:11 maarx: Yea..


234.20:11 (asoom) haha


235.20:12 maarx: They wont for the next one I think :P


236.20:12 (asoom) ah


237.20:12 maarx: but a lot of them were very nervous


238.20:12 (asoom) nah its cool


239.20:12 maarx: and ppl think that the Doge is smoking pot lol


240.20:12 maarx: but its only a few trolls


241.20:12 smille_: "smoking doge"


242.20:12 @litepresence: maarx is there anyone else from your camp that would be interested in conversation?


243.20:12 maarx: Yes I think there would be enough guys...


244.20:13 maarx: atleast for the Coin certificate thing


245.20:13 maarx: so how about BC / WC promo..


246.20:13 @litepresence: if you dont' mind send a few of them invites to this channel so we're not continually "catching people up"


247.20:13 (asoom) yeah we can sustain this chan


248.20:13 maarx: I will update people later.. atm Im really busy


249.20:13 maarx: but we can set a metting date/ time


250.20:13 (asoom) coo


251.20:13 maarx: meeting*


252.20:13 (asoom) cool*


253.20:13 (asoom) hm what you have in mind?


254.20:14 maarx: well so far I get this:


255.20:14 birddog (32bab445@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.186.180.69) has joined the channel.


256.20:14 maarx: 1/ you guys are interested in making WC an example that coins can be a scam and want to push an effort to "certify" coins


257.20:14 maarx: - you have the resources to do this


258.20:15 (asoom) yes


259.20:15 @litepresence: birddog, maarx is a op from blackcoin we've been discussing ways to cooperate w/ marketing / pr etc.


260.20:15 maarx: 2/ you guys want to get some of your group's bag holders out of whitecoin by creating some longer term infrastructure


261.20:15 birddog: ok cool


262.20:15 birddog: im all ears


263.20:16 (asoom) yes that is true also maarx but in the grander scheme of things we have larger plans ofc :)


264.20:16 maarx: so what is the larger plan?


265.20:16 (asoom) Like I said a foundation for altcoin community is non prevenlant it is highly fragmented at this point


266.20:17 (asoom) networking is key


267.20:17 (asoom) plan to have more relationships with coins that fit a certain criteria


268.20:17 (asoom) good community


269.20:17 (asoom) good devs


270.20:17 (asoom) etc we can discuss details later


271.20:17 @litepresence: one of the sideprojects I'm involved in is "cryptochurch.org" which is also considering a "certification program" indepenent of "Foundation" which is our trading group; not to be confused with whitecoinfoundation ;)


272.20:18 (asoom) ah yes cryptochurch a WIP right now


273.20:18 (asoom) but that might be interesting


274.20:18 smille_: also keep in mind, our bagholders only want to get out if things continue to look grim but we are not attempting to leave it behind


275.20:18 smille_: personally I scooped up another large amount on the descent today


1.19:02 @litepresence: moosa is on his way I just msgd him


2.19:02 (asoom) hello


3.19:02 (asoom) its me moosa Smiley


4.19:02 @litepresence: moosa maarx ; maarx moosa


5.19:03 (asoom) Hi maarx


6.19:03 @litepresence: maarx is an op at #BC


7.19:03 (asoom) I see


8.19:03 @litepresence: friends w/ the dev rat4


9.19:03 @litepresence: we've been chatting about pr marketing strategy...


10.19:03 @litepresence: seeing if I might stir up some interest in alliance


11.19:03 @litepresence: they have hired a PR firm


12.19:04 (asoom) Interesting


13.19:04 @litepresence: Max Borges Agency


14.19:04 @litepresence: we've been doing most of our work in house


15.19:04 maarx: Hi guys yeah so..


16.19:04 maarx: Yes what's up


17.19:04 @litepresence: any chance you could entice rat4 over here?


18.19:05 (asoom) I know rat4 spoke with mogonzo a while back


19.19:05 maarx: sec.


20.19:05 @litepresence: thx


21.19:08 (asoom) So litepresence what have you guys discussed thus far?


22.19:08 @litepresence: Well I went over the run down with "what ahppened " to whitecoin


23.19:09 @litepresence: We talked about our mutual feelings towards kleeve


24.19:09 maarx: not sure if rat4 will join..


25.19:09 @litepresence: kind of anti partnership or just doesn't have time atm?


26.19:13 maarx: he's quite busy


27.19:13 maarx: and his English is bad


28.19:13 maarx: so he prefers the update


29.19:14 @litepresence: http://i.imgur.com/Cu8GAyJ.jpg


30.19:14 (asoom) ahaha


31.19:14 maarx: haha


32.19:14 @litepresence: http://i.imgur.com/Cu8GAyJ.jpg


33.19:14 maarx: so whitecoin started really bad


34.19:14 maarx: fake dev, dump premine


35.19:14 @litepresence: basically


36.19:15 maarx: no pos planning and basically scam


37.19:15 maarx: me and some others knew this


38.19:15 @litepresence: 110%


39.19:15 maarx: but who to contact... lol


40.19:15 maarx: community just hates you when you inform them


41.19:15 @litepresence: I hear it.. WC supporters got blindsided


42.19:15 @litepresence: so we took it into our own hands


43.19:15 @litepresence: and made the coin do what it was supposed to do


44.19:15 @litepresence: in that time...


45.19:15 @litepresence: Mintpal was subject to an attaack


46.19:16 @litepresence: at 50BTC on our behalf


47.19:16 maarx: mintpal lost a lot of $$ on whitecoin


48.19:16 @litepresence: yeah  at least $20k usd


49.19:16 @litepresence: I think crypsy had some losses too


50.19:16 @litepresence: but they have both been banking on the 100BTC daily volume


51.19:16 maarx: if not for that immense blackcoin volume mintpal 'd be insolvent hehe


52.19:17 maarx: and I take it you guys helped them too? 50 btc you say?


53.19:17 @litepresence: yeah 50 BTC loss for Mintpal


54.19:17 @litepresence: Mintpal covered it no questions asked because we had new devs on the project that were upfront and open


55.19:18 maarx: so.. you are a group of investors


56.19:18 maarx: that work on coins?


57.19:19 @litepresence: well our group has investors, devs, pr people, etc etc.


58.19:19 @litepresence: we meet regularly and pool our resources


59.19:20 maarx: so.. you pick a coin


60.19:20 maarx: work infrastructure


61.19:20 maarx: genuinely help their value up


62.19:20 maarx: make profit on the way up


63.19:20 maarx: let it roll from there?


64.19:21 (asoom) We plan to set a foundation for future altcoins, to hopefully prevent things like this from happening in the future, however that is a tertiary goal for us but one i plan on achieving


65.19:21 @litepresence: whitecoin stuffing mix


66.19:21 @litepresence: http://imgur.com/OuYpurB


67.19:22 @litepresence: atm my focus is on pulling our investors out of WC at  profit through "good works"


68.19:23 @litepresence: = man hours in PR advertising etc.


69.19:23 @litepresence: beyond the days of dev time that went into reviving the broken POS system and shit wallet


70.19:23 (asoom) Whats the status on the PR firm LP hired by WC jesus


71.19:23 (asoom) ?


72.19:23 @litepresence: I don't know homie


73.19:23 @litepresence: been out of the loop past two days with


74.19:23 (asoom) cool ill have a chat with him then


75.19:24 (asoom) sounded really cool what he had in store


76.19:24 @litepresence: @lenapoker and @KianLawley


77.19:24 @litepresence: I haven't told you about kian yet lol


78.19:24 (asoom) ah yes lol


79.19:24 (asoom) whos kian?


80.19:24 (asoom) i heard about Lena


81.19:24 @litepresence: Offered him 50k myriadcoin


82.19:24 @litepresence: lemme get u link to his work


83.19:25 (asoom) ok


84.19:25 @litepresence: https://twitter.com/KianLawley


85.19:25 @litepresence: http://www.youtube.com/user/superkian13/videos


86.19:26 @litepresence: lena and I have become pretty good friends.  I'm chatting with her daily now


87.19:26 @litepresence: https://twitter.com/lenapoker


88.19:26 (asoom) very nice


89.19:26 @litepresence: I think if we can get lena and kian on coin promo's for us we're golden in the teenie bopper arena


90.19:26 (asoom) ahaha


91.19:27 (asoom) very good description lol


92.19:27 (asoom) well any exposure is good


93.19:27 (asoom) Smiley


94.19:27 @litepresence: I sent you pm via skype re: retweet for contact w/ kian


95.19:27 @litepresence: I'm hoping to get him involved in our MYR investment


96.19:27 maarx: so guys.. xD


97.19:27 @litepresence: sorry


98.19:27 @litepresence: lol


99.19:27 maarx: hehe Tongue


100.19:28 @litepresence: xD


101.19:28 @litepresence: so what could WC do for BC and what could BC do for WC


102.19:28 @litepresence: how could we unite our brands and benefit both?


103.19:28 (asoom) Mutual Alliance


104.19:29 @litepresence: whenever one is talked about the other is always mentioned in conversation


105.19:29 @litepresence: now that AC is basically "out of the picture"


106.19:29 maarx: so right..


107.19:29 maarx: BC had an enormous price jump


108.19:29 @litepresence: we have a certain rivalry / alliance opportunity that should be embraced


109.19:29 maarx: which actually got the hype for WC going


110.19:29 maarx: we hated WC dev  Kleeve


111.19:29 maarx: well not hated


112.19:29 maarx: but we werent neutral


113.19:29 @litepresence: moosa how do you feel about kleeve?


114.19:29 maarx: we are neutral towards u guys


115.19:30 maarx: but Kleeve just want quick money and no long term support for market


116.19:30 maarx: then 2/ a lot of ppl who got into WC were greedy bastards


117.19:30 maarx: they sold Blackcoin between 2000- 9000


118.19:30 maarx: and hit themselves in the head


119.19:30 (asoom) Kleeve is not good to have around


120.19:30 (asoom) he is doing the thing we want to prevent


121.19:31 (asoom) releasing scam coins


122.19:31 maarx: got into whitecoin and kinda only cared about going 10,000% like Blackcoin


123.19:31 @litepresence: I keep connected to him on skkype... on a "keep enemies close" level


124.19:31 @litepresence: but yeah... I trust him as far as I can throw my car


125.19:32 @litepresence: I think one of our biggest missions in crypto is to open ourselves up to broader audiences OUTSIDE of the neckbeard wizard scene


126.19:34 @litepresence: that's what's got me on my recent teenie bopper social media slant... but of course there are other areas to branch into


127.19:35 maarx: I agree..


128.19:35 maarx: That isk inda my take with Blackcoin aswell


129.19:35 @litepresence: asoom this was that tweet I neede retweeted to kian


130.19:35 (asoom) good we think alike then


131.19:35 @litepresence: https://twitter.com/oraclepresence/status/465240412983394304


132.19:35 maarx: We don't have large investor groups in blackcoin.. not that I know off


133.19:35 maarx: Blackcoin is from the ground up


134.19:35 maarx: people who came together


135.19:35 @litepresence: warm bodies is key to long term success


136.19:35 maarx: and realised we should work together on shit to get crypto out to the world


137.19:36 @litepresence: personally I dislike doge as there is nothing innovative about it


138.19:36 (asoom) Thats Why I think WC should be an example imo


139.19:36 @litepresence: but they have the warm bodies thing figured out


140.19:36 (asoom) to prevent scum like kleeve from doing harm to the community as a  whole to exchanhes to investors to everyone


141.19:37 @litepresence: the way that doge has created the whole "much wow" meme


142.19:37 @litepresence: I think WC and BC have potential for some form of "meme" creation


143.19:37 @litepresence: If we could create some type of coke vs pepsi type thing


144.19:37 (asoom) OH


145.19:38 @litepresence: it would harden both of our fanbases


146.19:38 (asoom) black spy vs white spy


147.19:38 (asoom) ahaha


148.19:38 (asoom) thats actually pretty good


149.19:38 (asoom) and its vintagy like the posters weve been making


150.19:38 maarx: hehe


151.19:38 @litepresence: there are all kinds of black/white slants and black white ad campaigns we could come up with I'm sure.


152.19:39 (asoom) ya


153.19:39 maarx: but what is your group.. about.. I dont understand really.. you invest in several coins and give them a head start


154.19:39 maarx: at the same time you want a foundation that basically filters shitcoins right?


155.19:39 @litepresence: but I feel like we should get to gether...a few members from each community and brainstorm


156.19:39 maarx: I'm all up for that


157.19:39 maarx: but what's this thing with Fontas you mentioned?


158.19:40 @litepresence: he's not a member of our group


159.19:40 (asoom) maarx the group i am in is a trading group with major networking, we were the group which saved WC from ruin


160.19:40 @litepresence: but we are friends and have contact with fontas


161.19:40 @litepresence: he's a great source of wisdom


162.19:40 (asoom) fontas has mentioned his interest in joining but I dont fully trust him yet


163.19:40 (asoom) I do like his input


164.19:40 (asoom) he is very intelligent


165.19:41 (asoom) but I wanted to vet him longer


166.19:41 @litepresence: you might say each of us has reservations in dealing w/ fontas but we can't dismiss what he has to say... we're all pretty well connected via BTCe


167.19:41 (asoom) aha yeah im wokring with btce lol


168.19:42 (asoom) Im a mod there but I am in constant contact with the admins


169.19:42 @litepresence: http://i.imgur.com/zNR2r05.jpg


170.19:43 @litepresence: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CHUVe0UxUI


171.19:44 @litepresence: afk brb


172.19:48 maarx: hi.. so.. I am interested in talking with you guys .. see if there is anything we can do for each other.. in essence we want to push crypto for mass adoption


173.19:50 (asoom) and in order to do that imo we need to do something about these alt markets


174.19:50 (asoom) alts are the first place people with little to no experience in crypto go first


175.19:50 (asoom) for the average small time investor younger people they turn to doge etc


176.19:51 (asoom) and they get wrapped up in the enviroment where it is not safe


177.19:51 (asoom) i can count more scam coins then i have fingers on my hands


178.19:51 (asoom) a WC redemption story can be good to use later on


179.19:53 (asoom) I am sure you heard of the support WC got when the first wave of troubles were shown, devs from across the community offered support with little to no payment that is the type of shit we need going for alt community


180.19:55 maarx: so .. we should / could have a team that audits the source / team on new alts.. right?


181.19:55 maarx: I kinda know what happened with WC yes..


182.19:56 maarx: a lot of pepl jumped in


183.19:56 @litepresence: something we talked about was "certification"


184.19:56 @litepresence: kind of like organic food


185.19:57 @litepresence: have a few "independent" certification programs


186.19:58 @litepresence: like "organic" "fair trade" "non gmo project" "rainforestalliance" etc


187.20:04 (asoom) maarx I would very much like to talk with others on your team get some input how we can progress maybe rat4 soon


188.20:04 maarx: hi so yes..


189.20:04 maarx: rat4 is not the man you want to contact


190.20:04 maarx: he is a coindev


191.20:05 maarx: and he only cares for sourcecode..


192.20:05 maarx: he helped mint, helped cinni


193.20:05 maarx: and works on blackcoin source a lot


194.20:05 maarx: 3000+ commits


195.20:05 maarx: I like the certification thing.


196.20:05 maarx: Crypto needs to boost consumer confidence..


197.20:05 maarx: The blackcast we stated we were here to stay..


198.20:05 maarx: and that makes people confident.. or more so than they were..


199.20:05 maarx: can you imagine a company saying this?


200.20:06 maarx: Tim Horton's: ey guys, we are here to stay


201.20:06 (asoom) lol


202.20:06 (asoom) tim hortons


203.20:06 maarx: it shows how low confidence in crypto is


204.20:06 (asoom) yes


205.20:06 @litepresence: I'm not familiar w/ "blackcast" explain?


206.20:06 (asoom) blackcast is there video podcast for BC


207.20:06 maarx: yes so we are doing a weekly video podcast for blackcoin and crypto related


208.20:06 @litepresence: link?


209.20:06 maarx: www.theblackcast.com


210.20:06 @litepresence: thanks


211.20:06 maarx: http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/251fzg/blackcast_2_your_host_wizfarm_with_soepkip_maarx/


212.20:07 maarx: but BLK has been under super heavy fire lately


213.20:07 maarx: from all sides


214.20:07 @litepresence: I thought your symbol was BC you trade under BLK too ?


215.20:07 maarx: Yes


216.20:07 maarx: BC and BLK


217.20:08 @litepresence: lol I though BLK was some other coin


218.20:09 smille_ (~smille_@75-142-56-202.static.mtpk.ca.charter.com) has joined the channel.


219.20:09 maarx: hehe


220.20:09 (asoom) fuck now i wanna cig watching that podcast lol


221.20:09 @litepresence: smille is another persona from our trading group and whitecoinfoundation


222.20:09 smille_: hey guys


223.20:10 maarx: hehe


224.20:10 maarx: ey smille_


225.20:10 maarx: so I am a bit afk, hard to reach because. .well


226.20:10 maarx: idk


227.20:10 maarx: a little under fire lol


228.20:11 maarx: we looking to get transcripts for the blackcast too..


229.20:11 maarx: because some ppl are readers.. like me


230.20:11 smille_: get dragon and a proofreader Smiley


231.20:11 (asoom) everyone is smoking in that podcast video


232.20:11 (asoom) lolol


233.20:11 maarx: Yea..


234.20:11 (asoom) haha


235.20:12 maarx: They wont for the next one I think Tongue


236.20:12 (asoom) ah


237.20:12 maarx: but a lot of them were very nervous


238.20:12 (asoom) nah its cool


239.20:12 maarx: and ppl think that the Doge is smoking pot lol


240.20:12 maarx: but its only a few trolls


241.20:12 smille_: "smoking doge"


242.20:12 @litepresence: maarx is there anyone else from your camp that would be interested in conversation?


243.20:12 maarx: Yes I think there would be enough guys...


244.20:13 maarx: atleast for the Coin certificate thing


245.20:13 maarx: so how about BC / WC promo..


246.20:13 @litepresence: if you dont' mind send a few of them invites to this channel so we're not continually "catching people up"


247.20:13 (asoom) yeah we can sustain this chan


248.20:13 maarx: I will update people later.. atm Im really busy


249.20:13 maarx: but we can set a metting date/ time


250.20:13 (asoom) coo


251.20:13 maarx: meeting*


252.20:13 (asoom) cool*


253.20:13 (asoom) hm what you have in mind?


254.20:14 maarx: well so far I get this:


255.20:14 birddog (32bab445@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.50.186.180.69) has joined the channel.


256.20:14 maarx: 1/ you guys are interested in making WC an example that coins can be a scam and want to push an effort to "certify" coins


257.20:14 maarx: - you have the resources to do this


258.20:15 (asoom) yes


259.20:15 @litepresence: birddog, maarx is a op from blackcoin we've been discussing ways to cooperate w/ marketing / pr etc.


260.20:15 maarx: 2/ you guys want to get some of your group's bag holders out of whitecoin by creating some longer term infrastructure


261.20:15 birddog: ok cool


262.20:15 birddog: im all ears


263.20:16 (asoom) yes that is true also maarx but in the grander scheme of things we have larger plans ofc Smiley


264.20:16 maarx: so what is the larger plan?


265.20:16 (asoom) Like I said a foundation for altcoin community is non prevenlant it is highly fragmented at this point


266.20:17 (asoom) networking is key


267.20:17 (asoom) plan to have more relationships with coins that fit a certain criteria


268.20:17 (asoom) good community


269.20:17 (asoom) good devs


270.20:17 (asoom) etc we can discuss details later


271.20:17 @litepresence: one of the sideprojects I'm involved in is "cryptochurch.org" which is also considering a "certification program" indepenent of "Foundation" which is our trading group; not to be confused with whitecoinfoundation Wink


272.20:18 (asoom) ah yes cryptochurch a WIP right now


273.20:18 (asoom) but that might be interesting


274.20:18 smille_: also keep in mind, our bagholders only want to get out if things continue to look grim but we are not attempting to leave it behind


275.20:18 smille_: personally I scooped up another large amount on the descent today
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oh,seen the title,I think it is cry?
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tldr; someone please do a summary post.

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I don't hold any Crypt but the same misinformation is on the Key and Crypt threads. The Key anon works fine (see above), and the Crypt anon probably will as well (same team).

PS Please don't post fud on threads. It doesn't just damage the coin you are trying to damage, but damages the reputation of the entire world of cryptocoins. Thanks.

Anon in CRYPT and anon in KEY are completely unrelated AFAIK. MindFox is not working on the Keycoin anonymity.




Yes the coders are different and the approach is different but the same team of people are backing both coins, and so will likely expect the same standards for Crypt as for Key. Crypt will probably turn out to be as good as Key, if not better. Gonna get some when I sell out of Key. Thats all I meant, and the reason I posted all this across a few pages back:



Daily Dev Update - 7/31/2014

Just checking in. Work on KeyOS is going well and we will have a beta for the community to test in Virtualbox soon.

In the meantime we are compiling Mac OS and Debian/Ubuntu Linux wallets with the anon feature built in. I expect release tomorrow at latest.

Regarding the "de-anon" FUD - it is exactly that, FUD. Multiple members of the dev team have tested it and it doesn't de-anon anything, it merely gives a mixer address as output.

The program's output string even says "Mixer Address (Your wallet sent coins to this mixer)" - it doesn't even attempt to de-anon the entire transaction, and can't.

Decentralized anon is also a longer term goal we are working on.


The KeyCoin promo video is on target for Saturday release.

We are currently working with CoinsSource and Bittrex to be one of the first "vetted safe" coins, hopefully soon enough for it to be featured in our "Sponsored" bittrex banner.

Thanks all for support, fuel up those engines

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I don't hold any Crypt but the same misinformation is on the Key and Crypt threads. The Key anon works fine (see above), and the Crypt anon probably will as well (same team).

PS Please don't post fud on threads. It doesn't just damage the coin you are trying to damage, but damages the reputation of the entire world of cryptocoins. Thanks.

Anon in CRYPT and anon in KEY are completely unrelated AFAIK. MindFox is not working on the Keycoin anonymity.


Yes the coders are different and the approach is different but the same team of people are backing both coins, and so will likely expect the same standards for Crypt as for Key. Crypt will probably turn out to be as good as Key, if not better. Gonna get some when I sell out of Key. Thats all I meant, and the reason I posted all this across a few pages back:


It seems that the Key team doesn't have very high standards:

http://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/2c6pax/program_that_deanonymizes_anonymous_keycoin/
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Just discovered this coin.  Mindfox being involved gives me great confidence in it's future.  Selling some key to buy some crypt  Cheesy
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Hello Paul, Peter, Patrick, Phil Bremen. Why do you keep posting the same links? Are you a spammer now? I'm really starting to think that we should advise everyone here to place you on "Ignore". You only hammer Crypt and Key.

With so many other coins claiming anonymous send features, there is no logical reason for you to spend all of your time here and on the Key thread. Only logical reason for such behavior is you have something against the creators and devs of these 2 coins. With that motivation being identified, everyone should assume you are biased and here to spread negativity. As I've said before, if you were here to help with anything, there would at least be a semblance of objectivity in your posts. There clearly is not. You leave snarky comments and always come to negative assumptions.

You are a troll Bremen. Plain and simple. Maybe a kinder, gentler troll, but a troll nonetheless. Anyone who is new and reading this should take note.

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