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July 28, 2014, 10:42:36 AM
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Why do you assume that the only reason why are people interested in anonymity features is the speculation and trading? People may be interested in this coin for other reasons. Some people may want to USE coin that provides anonymity features and not just speculate on its price.

And no, I'm not interested in developing another anon scamcoin.

What risk should I take?





If your saying your just here to use a good anon coin, your early. Come back when its finished, and we'll tell you how good it is. As for now, again, WE ARE IN A SPECULATION STAGE!  So place your bets, or move along. You will not get the answers you seek here. You should call a psychic.
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This community will tell me how good the anonymity solution is? You can't be serious. This community is seriously lacking experts (software security experts, mathematicians, cryptographers etc.). And most non-expert members of this community don't have enough (or any) critical attitude.

How can you explain the fact that no one could figure out that the anonymity solution from whitepaper can't work at all? And that there was almost no technical discussion about technical aspects of anonymity features after these problems with anonymity were exposed on Reddit?





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July 28, 2014, 11:11:36 AM
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Why would you speak in such a condescending way about the members of this community. I'm certain that there are many people with tech and mathematics backgrounds who read and don't post. Vidarh seems to be very knowledgeable.

The white paper was not really a proper white paper. I gave a very rough outline of an idea. Mindfox has spoken in much more detail about what he was planning on irc. 

I've noticed that you're "gentleman" trolling both Key and Crypt threads. Why aren't you on the other anon coin threads? Cloak, Dark, Monero, XC, Conceal, etc? Plenty to choose from with much more public interest at the moment.

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The white paper was not really a proper white paper. I gave a very rough outline of an idea. Mindfox has spoken in much more detail about what he was planning on irc.  
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MINDFOX said @ few weeks ago that its not a whitepaper but a draft  Wink
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The white paper was not really a proper white paper. I gave a very rough outline of an idea. Mindfox has spoken in much more detail about what he was planning on irc.  
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MINDFOX said @ few weeks ago that its not a whitepaper but a draft  Wink

It is probably really a draft. But this draft was proposing non-working anonymity methods and the coin was heavily pumped because of this draft.

If the coin devs were serious about this coin, they wouldn't publish something that can't possibly work. And the reason is so simple that even non-experts can understand why it can't work at all.



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July 28, 2014, 11:54:34 AM
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Why would you speak in such a condescending way about the members of this community. I'm certain that there are many people with tech and mathematics backgrounds who read and don't post. Vidarh seems to be very knowledgeable.

The white paper was not really a proper white paper. I gave a very rough outline of an idea. Mindfox has spoken in much more detail about what he was planning on irc. 

I've noticed that you're "gentleman" trolling both Key and Crypt threads. Why aren't you on the other anon coin threads? Cloak, Dark, Monero, XC, Conceal, etc? Plenty to choose from with much more public interest at the moment.

I'm not saying that there are no members with enough knowledge. I'm just saying that there are not enough of them and/or they may not be interested enough in cryptcoin to play any active role. Did vidarh post anything about the non working anonymity feature in whitepaper? Why did some anonymous Reddit guy have to point out the problems with anonymity (and the price later crashed because of that)?



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July 28, 2014, 12:26:47 PM
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The problem is that you don't know one way or the other if the anonymity is working. Mindfox has been working on it for almost 2 months. Investors and the dev team have looked at it and are very impressed. You won't be able to give a true evaluation on whether it's solid or not until the wallet is in your hands. To say otherwise is disingenuous. It was said multiple times that the white paper was not professionally prepared and only gave a rough idea of what Mindfox had in mind. If you spent time on the irc channel, you could have spoken to him and gotten a better idea of what his plans were. We will soon see if his anon is a better solution than what others have developed. From what I have been told (by people who have seen it), it is fantastic and definitely worth the wait.   

I don't believe the sell off happened because of the anonymous Reddit group with the bias against crypt. The sell off seems to have happened because many people with a large number of coins decided to take profit. 1000% profit is a good exit zone.

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July 28, 2014, 12:49:31 PM
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The problem is that you don't know one way or the other if the anonymity is working. Mindfox has been working on it for almost 2 months. Investors and the dev team have looked at it and are very impressed. You won't be able to give a true evaluation on whether it's solid or not until the wallet is in your hands. To say otherwise is disingenuous. It was said multiple times that the white paper was not professionally prepared and only gave a rough idea of what Mindfox had in mind. If you spent time on the irc channel, you could have spoken to him and gotten a better idea of what his plans were. We will soon see if his anon is a better solution than what others have developed. From what I have been told (by people who have seen it), it is fantastic and definitely worth the wait.  

Who saw this solution? Moosa? Prom guy? Are they competent enough to judge the quality of anonymity feature? Can they have impartial opinions?

I don't believe the sell off happened because of the anonymous Reddit group with the bias against crypt. The sell off seems to have happened because many people with a large number of coins decided to take profit. 1000% profit is a good exit zone.

The post  by itself probably didn't cause the price drop. But it caused the pump to slow down or stall. And then the pumpers/whales saw that and they decided to dump (about 24h or so later). Koolio didn't reach his price targets that he had posted on Twitter (300k or something).

The same pattern can be seen in the latest KeyCoin pump. The price plummeted about 24 hours after the FUD post was posted on Reddit . Same thing happened with cryptcoin (the first drop, this rogue dev fiasco came later)



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July 28, 2014, 01:51:53 PM
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This community will tell me how good the anonymity solution is? You can't be serious. This community is seriously lacking experts (software security experts, mathematicians, cryptographers etc.). And most non-expert members of this community don't have enough (or any) critical attitude.

How can you explain the fact that no one could figure out that the anonymity solution from whitepaper can't work at all? And that there was almost no technical discussion about technical aspects of anonymity features after these problems with anonymity were exposed on Reddit?

Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".
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July 28, 2014, 02:12:46 PM
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This community will tell me how good the anonymity solution is? You can't be serious. This community is seriously lacking experts (software security experts, mathematicians, cryptographers etc.). And most non-expert members of this community don't have enough (or any) critical attitude.

How can you explain the fact that no one could figure out that the anonymity solution from whitepaper can't work at all? And that there was almost no technical discussion about technical aspects of anonymity features after these problems with anonymity were exposed on Reddit?

Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".


Good Points! Finally some actual discussions on anon and not only hating on something that has not been released!

 
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This community will tell me how good the anonymity solution is? You can't be serious. This community is seriously lacking experts (software security experts, mathematicians, cryptographers etc.). And most non-expert members of this community don't have enough (or any) critical attitude.

How can you explain the fact that no one could figure out that the anonymity solution from whitepaper can't work at all? And that there was almost no technical discussion about technical aspects of anonymity features after these problems with anonymity were exposed on Reddit?

Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".


Good Points! Finally some actual discussions on anon and not only hating on something that has not been released!

I still believe we will see some unique solution here and if it is good then waiting time will be awarded

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Personally, I haven't bothered reading the whitepaper. It's not particularly interesting at this point. It's not what's going to make or break this coin. Whether or not Mindfox comes through is the first thing that matters. Assuming he does, then we can start digging into it, and providing criticism and ensure it gets improved if necessary. Assuming there are no fatal flaws that can't be rectified, then the next thing that will matter is whether nor not anyone puts in sufficient resources into marketing the coin. Frankly, marketing the coin is likely to matter far more than whether or not the anon feature is flawless.

For my part I'm not a security expert. I do have 30+ years of software experience, though, including handling security for billing systems processing millions of dollars. While I can't/won't evaluate the specifics of the cryptography, I'm certainly qualified to evaluate many "higher level" aspects of whether or not the implementation will be fit for purpose. I'm sure there are others here with relevant experience who will also be able to do at least initial assessments. If it passes initial "smell checks", then we can worry about whether there all the details are perfect.

The way I see it, this is an iterative process not least because I don't believe 100% anon is even theoretically possible.  I do believe in "sufficient anon", though, in that for every usage there's a level of anonymity that is "good enough".

Thanks for the cogent answer vidarh. Glad to have you on the thread and looking forward to your opinions when the new wallet is released.

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Mindfox: Would you mind popping by and giving us a progress report?,

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So many coins. So many anon coins. What muddy waters!

One elegant solution without mixers is what is needed.

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Yeah mindfox, show up here (NOT ON IRC) and explain why I don't have my huge profits yet!!!!!
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Yeah mindfox, show up here (NOT ON IRC) and explain why I don't have my huge profits yet!!!!!


Come on man! Dont scare him off with heavy words! Leave the talking to someone else maybe  Sad

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Yeah mindfox, show up here (NOT ON IRC) and explain why I don't have my huge profits yet!!!!!

Maybe because you are bad trader?

But I also think that Mindfox needs to show up here. IRC doesn't have archives and most people can't hang there 24/7 to catch Mindfox online.


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Not only can I not hang on IRC and wait for him, I refuse to.  He needs to get on HERE and explain himself and why this is taking so damn long!

I offer my 1250 CRYPT coins for 300,000 satoshis each.  Priced in anticipation of the future rise in price.  Who's dumb enough to buy this fantastic opportunity?

I might start mining something else if this crapcoin doesn't pay off damn soon!

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Heres a good one from the crypt archives... enjoy Smiley

[10:34] <@mindfox_laptop> techaddict1990, what are you talking about?
[10:34] <@mindfox_laptop> 2 weeks?
[10:34] * namzyewc_home_ (~NamZy@bb121-6-94-116.singnet.com.sg) has joined #cryptcoin
[10:35] <techaddict1990> I was referring to the bitcointalk thread, update on june25th.
[10:35] <techaddict1990> was just wondering if you guys are testing now or still coding or whats going on
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> why do you feel that this thread should be regularly updated?
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> what purpose would it serve?
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> bct is a junkyard for fudders
[10:35] <@mindfox_laptop> do you feel comfortable with that?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> I didnt say it should be regularly updated, I was stating that it has been 2 weeks since a dev has said anything relevant to the project
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> techaddict1990, may I ask a question?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> no permission needed
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> how long do you think a developing project usually takes?
[10:36] <techaddict1990> or you could just answer mine
[10:36] <@mindfox_laptop> especially when it happens during one's free time?
[10:37] <techaddict1990> irrelevant, I simply asked what phase you are in. still coding, or testing or what
[10:37] <techaddict1990> i didnt know it was on your "free" time since you are paid to do it
[10:37] * urpor_ (~urpor@109.92.91.49) has joined #cryptcoin
[10:37] <@mindfox_laptop> what?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> could you be more specific with the "what"
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> am I paid each month sallary?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> which part is the what referring to
[10:38] * namzyewc_home (~NamZy@bb121-6-94-116.singnet.com.sg) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> am I an employee of someone?
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> I did not understand what you implied?
[10:38] <techaddict1990> idk I dont manage your finances. I know you are receiving payment for completion of the project
[10:38] <@mindfox_laptop> are you the one who is paying me?
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> since you brought that matter
[10:39] <techaddict1990> I dont believe I implied that I was
[10:39] <techaddict1990> Again, a simple question
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> well, you sounded like my boss techaddict1990. That's what I'm saying
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> Smiley
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> it's all together
[10:39] <@mindfox_laptop> coding, testing, coding again, testing again
[10:40] <@mindfox_laptop> getting ready to release
[10:40] <@mindfox_laptop> all of the above
[10:40] <techaddict1990> nevermind, ill just not ask anything anymore
[10:41] <@mindfox_laptop> I didn't say that
[10:41] * urpor (~urpor@109-92-91-49.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) Quit (*.net *.split)
[10:41] * @gudcrypt_ (~gudcrypt@unaffiliated/gudcrypt) Quit (*.net *.split)
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> I said that perhaps you should be a bit less raw and direct when you ask a question
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> well, direct you should be
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> but, as I told you, you sounded like you were my boss
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> especially in the "you're getting paid" part
[10:42] <@mindfox_laptop> please read what you typed and you'll understand Smiley
[10:42] <techaddict1990> I know what you're saying mindfox
[10:42] <techaddict1990> I also know that you know how to answer the question that I asked rather than giving vague responses that give no real answer
[10:43] <techaddict1990> not trying to be a dick
[10:43] <techaddict1990> but perhaps
[10:43] <techaddict1990> uh
[10:43] <techaddict1990> a percentage for how close you are to being comfortable with releasing what you are developing
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> I don't know how to answer the question
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> I have an estimation
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> but in coding, anything can happen
[10:43] <techaddict1990> I dont mean how close you are to being 100% absolutely done
[10:43] <@mindfox_laptop> even the last minute of testing
[10:44] <@mindfox_laptop> this seems to be something not many are able/willing to realize
[10:44] <techaddict1990> just releasing say an alpha release for test
[10:44] <techaddict1990> I understand that as I too have programming experience
[10:44] <@mindfox_laptop> that's great
[10:44] <techaddict1990> but projects generally have a schedule/timeframe
[10:45] <@mindfox_laptop> then, is it wise to setup an alpha test, when I know beforehand and have a list of problems I'm resolving?
[10:45] <techaddict1990> i understand you dnt want to put a date out there to have people fud and go crazy when its not met

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