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July 25, 2014, 04:12:59 PM
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That's why anon without mix node (middle man) is the way to go.. hopefully mindfox's 'hard-to-trade' will be the first to achieve that.

lol, it would be funny if he really did implement a hard to trade system, some might say he already has as its hard to trade with any volume right now!  but I know what you mean! Wink
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July 25, 2014, 04:21:54 PM
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Regardless of what an individual uses it for it is extremely secure and the only way to track would be guess work.

well either the code is secure or its not, if it is then I should be able to avoid tax and buy drugs with that coin, it cant be "untraceable unless LE get involved" , that isn't an option, if LE can trace it, then some hacker somewhere will be able to do it to. So its either anon or its not anon, there is no "semi anon", it defies the definition of the word, its like saying "semi full" = not really full.    

You can make 100% true anon coin (if you can) but in the end when converting coins to fiat you're not anon after all. you can use localbitcoins to avoid banks,irs,tax .. but what about businesses ?

I don't know, but if that is the problem with anon (converting to fiat) then how does crypt or any anon coin help, seems bitcoin is already 99% anon with tumbler and tor and the hard part is converting back to fiat?

I suppose if the coin is 100% anon, then someone who is legit can just cash it in anywhere and claim they got it legally, launder it basically, same like any illegal money, thing is it needs to be 100% untraceable for that to work, 99% untraceable wont do if its drug miney. 
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July 25, 2014, 04:24:11 PM
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That's why anon without mix node (middle man) is the way to go.. hopefully mindfox's 'hard-to-trade' will be the first to achieve that.

lol, it would be funny if he really did implement a hard to trade system, some might say he already has as its hard to trade with any volume right now!  but I know what you mean! Wink

LOL.. i didn't even see that, typo.. that's funny

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July 25, 2014, 04:26:36 PM
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Regardless of what an individual uses it for it is extremely secure and the only way to track would be guess work.

well either the code is secure or its not, if it is then I should be able to avoid tax and buy drugs with that coin, it cant be "untraceable unless LE get involved" , that isn't an option, if LE can trace it, then some hacker somewhere will be able to do it to. So its either anon or its not anon, there is no "semi anon", it defies the definition of the word, its like saying "semi full" = not really full.    

You can make 100% true anon coin (if you can) but in the end when converting coins to fiat you're not anon after all. you can use localbitcoins to avoid banks,irs,tax .. but what about businesses ?

I don't know, but if that is the problem with anon (converting to fiat) then how does crypt or any anon coin help, seems bitcoin is already 99% anon with tumbler and tor and the hard part is converting back to fiat?

I would think CRYPT will be better than any other anon coin because it doesn't rely on node. but yeah the problem is still converting to fiat. i think that's why mindfox say true anon is not possible.

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July 25, 2014, 04:28:35 PM
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why would you want to ?

surely the procedure is

Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?

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July 25, 2014, 04:30:14 PM
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why would you want to ?

surely the procedure is

Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?



well the person you buy shit off is maybe going to want to go back to cash, its not all about the buyer, for a coin to work it needs to suit the seller too..
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July 25, 2014, 04:31:02 PM
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why would you want to ?

surely the procedure is

Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?



well the person you buy shit off is maybe going to want to go back to cash, its not all about the buyer, for a coin to work it needs to suit the seller too..
+100 agreed

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July 25, 2014, 04:31:16 PM
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why would you want to ?

surely the procedure is

Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?



well the person you buy shit off is maybe going to want to go back to cash, its not all about the buyer, for a coin to work it needs to suit the seller too..
then isn`t it ?

Sell Shit -> Anon -> BTC -> Fiat

am i missing something here man ?
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July 25, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
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why would you want to ?

surely the procedure is

Fiat -> BTC -> Anon Coin -> Buy Shit ?



well the person you buy shit off is maybe going to want to go back to cash, its not all about the buyer, for a coin to work it needs to suit the seller too..
then isn`t it ?

Sell Shit -> Anon -> BTC -> Fiat

am i missing something here man ?

Well that's fine if the coin is truly 100% anon (or if the shit is legal but then no need for anon in the first place) , then the seller can claim the anon coin came from a legit source (launder it) and then go back to btc or fiat, but if the system is only "hard to trace" then: will the seller have enough confidence in the first place to bother accept the coin for his illegal shit?
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No he or she wont is my answer -
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No he wont is my answer -

I agree. The whole appeal of an anonymous new coin is that it is 100% anonymous and could be used for ANYTHING. If its only 99% anonymous then its not any better than current solutions.  

Like I said before, the word anonymous basically means "nobody knows" , so if there is any chance that somebody DOES know, then the word anonymous is not the right word, so I can see why the new line is "hard to trace" , it makes more sense, people need to stop using the word anonymous to describe cryptcoin.
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July 25, 2014, 04:42:00 PM
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No he wont is my answer -

I agree. The whole appeal of an anonymous new coin is that it is 100% anonymous and could be used for ANYTHING. If its only 99% anonymous then its not any better than current solutions. 

blow me there is something we actually agree on Smiley
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There is often a weak point in these mixing systems, and that is that somewhere in the world there must be a computer/s doing the mixing, and how can we trust that computer is not being monitored somehow.

tell me which would you trust to use if let say both of these are 99% anon:


1) 99% of all Anon coins out there that is using mix-node

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2) Crypt hard-to-trace p2p wallet to wallet with no mix node involve.


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July 25, 2014, 04:53:18 PM
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There is often a weak point in these mixing systems, and that is that somewhere in the world there must be a computer/s doing the mixing, and how can we trust that computer is not being monitored somehow.

tell me which would you prefer to use if let say both of these are 99% anon:


1) 99% of all Anon coins out there that is using mix-node

or

2) Crypt hard-to-trace p2p wallet to wallet and no mix node.



well if both are 99% secure/anon then it really wouldn't cause me much interest tbh, or cause any major uptake by sellers , I think it would need to be ground breaking tech to cause the kind of uptake people are talking about to cause the prices people are hoping for , I do get your point though that no.2 sounds "slightly" better,  but do I think people/sellers will dump the old anon solutions and flock to crypt cos its version of "99% anon" sounds better = NO.
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July 25, 2014, 05:45:50 PM
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Is KEY anon the same as CRYPT anonymity?

KEY anonymity seems very centralized. Does anybody know who operates KEY mixer nodes? Prometheus?

Why did the whales/pumpers switch from CRYPT to KEY? Is this centralized KEY anonymity superior to upcoming CRYPT anonymity?



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July 25, 2014, 06:44:25 PM
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Is your face the same as shut up?

Is your mouth the same as be quiet?

You must have missed that newsletter we all get called "whales tell us their secret motives, thereby cancelling out any possibility of their super secret plans coming to fruition"-newsletter.

My apologies, I'm feeling very cheeky at the moment, and your questions always sound like "tell me all your secrets!"

Also instinctively I feel like you may may be part of the reddit "protect us from false claims of anonymity" forum. Which is fine. But the energy you have I feel could be better spent trying to help a developing coin. I feel like in the right situation you could be devil's advocate in some brain storm involving some current developers problem. And you could help create something. But the best analog I can think of for the way all of your posts feel is you're acting like a reporter trying to write an article about how all anon attempts are scams. Why don't you help instead with all that energy?
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Yay, some good news!  Cheesy

Awesome. . .   Grin

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July 25, 2014, 06:58:25 PM
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Prometheus are you still in crypt????or do you say it only to us for false hope???
you ask here if someone see mindfox ,to send him to you??
you and moosa hired mindfox so why can you not find him??
and why did you say this to me on btc-e??

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I'm still in shield. Crypt seems to be hurting because mindfox just isn't coming through with what he has promised.

why you say that ,?

and why will koolio say this?

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04:31 19.07.14

im going to sell some soomn if no dev futhering

do you have answers for this Prometheus?HuhHuh
or are you lying!!!!!


Like I said previously. It would be total guess work to find the sending and receiving addresses and it would require that the coin have close to 0 transactions at the time the transfer was made.
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July 25, 2014, 07:51:47 PM
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Hold on to your bags people!

I fully expect MF to come thru with the goods. Then your weak hands can release your burden into the hands of those fitter to carry them.

Trolls and FUDsters should consider the damage they wreak on the crypto scene. It has in fact occurred to me that some of these FUDsters might even have a vested interest in debasing all of crypto currency. And seemingly positive comments such individuals issue are certainly only intended to misdirect.

I am into crypto cause I believe it is needed. BTC has a great shortcoming which may lead to a dystopian future. No anonymity.

And so it is the human race awaits a champion of truly digital anonymous cash. The less centralized the better. Perhaps it is the difficulty of this task that delays MF so. Yet I believe the CRYPT approach to anon is theoretically the most compelling

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THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT MINDFOX WILL NOT COME THROUGH.

These coins are incredibly cheap. If you believe as I, that the world needs a strong anon crypto currency, you'll put up or shut up.

Good Evening All. Esp Mindfox Wink

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Hold on to your bags people!

I fully expect MF to come thru with the goods. Then your weak hands can release your burden into the hands of those fitter to carry them.

Trolls and FUDsters should consider the damage they wreak on the crypto scene. It has in fact occurred to me that some of these FUDsters might even have a vested interest in debasing all of crypto currency. And seemingly positive comments such individuals issue are certainly only intended to misdirect.

I am into crypto cause I believe it is needed. BTC has a great shortcoming which may lead to a dystopian future. No anonymity.

And so it is the human race awaits a champion of truly digital anonymous cash. The less centralized the better. Perhaps it is the difficulty of this task that delays MF so. Yet I believe the CRYPT approach to anon is theoretically the most compelling

AND

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT MINDFOX WILL NOT COME THROUGH.

These coins are incredibly cheap. If you believe as I, that the world needs a strong anon crypto currency, you'll put up or shut up.

Good Evening All. Esp Mindfox Wink

ἀνδρῶν γὰρ ἐπιφανῶν πᾶσα γῆ τάφος
    Andrôn gàr epiphanôn pâsa gê táphos.

 For illustrious men have the whole earth for their tomb.

+1000

namu amida butsu
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