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July 24, 2014, 12:44:07 PM
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I doubt they are gonna fork the chain to recover less than 900 crypt coin, you can go on irc and ask mindfox, but I think he will tell you the same thing.
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I'm the only one that have problems with COINCUBESS.COM ??

May be that other people have my owen problem.

Where is the CHAT ?

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July 24, 2014, 02:08:56 PM
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So the Whales are investors hmmm, these guys really don't know WTF an investor is. Class A stock would mean investor with Power to Delay Announcements, but that would mean they would have to IPO and Pre-Mine. Any Person Just Holding/Investing/Trading Crypt does not get preferential treatment no matter how much they buy. This would be called insider trading, delay announcement for Whale holding 50BTC so they can make a move first. Thanks for clearing this up and I will be sure to dump before dumped on.

This is hilarious. You claim they don't know WTF an investor is, and then you make totally ridiculous claims about what a share class implies. First of all, to even talk about share classes, you need an incorporated entity. Incorporation is not necessary for an investment. For an example of investment without allocation of shares, look at e.g. RDD, where investors essentially debt-financed early development with repayment happening in RDD (and so high risk, but also a reasonable chance of getting in at a very low price).

*If* there is a corporation, then the share class means *nothing* without reading the founding documents and/or shareholder agreement (exact documents depends on jurisdiction), which specifies the rights of the respective shareholder classes. But in general a share class would pretty much never (I've *never* seen it in any companies I've been involved it) have something like what you call "Power to Delay Announcements". What *would* give you power like that, is to hold a sufficient portion of shares to control one or more board seats. But again, that presupposes investment in *shares* in a corporation. Many other forms of investments are also possible, such as the aforementioned debt financing used for RDD.


I would be talking about Class A voting shares for board members who control the company which would be a Stock corporation huh pretty hilarious. I am equating this and you must have thought I think Crypt is an S-Corp... Apply this to stocks as if this coin could be one (if it were, then insider trading etc.), this was what is implied as if we are dealing with a stock. Crypt called Whales investors not me, and they state that they consult the whales. Then to top it off they act in concert with whales and even state it in their Chat, but you are more concerned with what jurisdiction or exact docs are being referenced. You should be more concerned about the insider trading that was divulged in the chat.

I actually apologize to MindFox for anything I said in haste since my perception is lumping him in with the Devs. But man, it just doesn't make sense even contractors will get half down and half on completion and I really don't know if MindFox owns Crypt, but I would think it would be smart if you are really a great coder. I hate to think if the stress caused his Hospitalization and I don't really think money is worth more than your health, so take your time by all means, and in all sincerity!

I just pointed things out, not calling anyone out like they work for me lol. Just attempting to give a realistic view to what is going on and make sense of it while poking fun at it simultaneously.
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July 24, 2014, 02:11:46 PM
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New Update!!
7/24/2014


Crypt Commander Info Video



To access your qt wallets from different computers we require to download the blockchain or import the wallet.dat and replace it in different computers. But with the Cryptcoin commander, the user is allowed to remotely access through a webpage while maintaining only a single blockchain and wallet. The coins are securely stored in the home computer but with the Cryptcoin commander you can access your wallet from anywhere in the world considering you can connect to the webpage. Cryptcoin Commander is mobile optimized so you can access your funds on the go. The Cryptcoin commander lets you monitor market and networks statistics to keep you updated.

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July 24, 2014, 02:16:30 PM
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New Update!!
7/24/2014


Crypt Commander Info Video



To access your qt wallets from different computers we require to download the blockchain or import the wallet.dat and replace it in different computers. But with the Cryptcoin commander, the user is allowed to remotely access through a webpage while maintaining only a single blockchain and wallet. The coins are securely stored in the home computer but with the Cryptcoin commander you can access your wallet from anywhere in the world considering you can connect to the webpage. Cryptcoin Commander is mobile optimized so you can access your funds on the go. The Cryptcoin commander lets you monitor market and networks statistics to keep you updated.


MOOOOONNNNN!!!!

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July 24, 2014, 02:25:39 PM
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New Update!!
7/24/2014


Crypt Commander Info Video



To access your qt wallets from different computers we require to download the blockchain or import the wallet.dat and replace it in different computers. But with the Cryptcoin commander, the user is allowed to remotely access through a webpage while maintaining only a single blockchain and wallet. The coins are securely stored in the home computer but with the Cryptcoin commander you can access your wallet from anywhere in the world considering you can connect to the webpage. Cryptcoin Commander is mobile optimized so you can access your funds on the go. The Cryptcoin commander lets you monitor market and networks statistics to keep you updated.


MOOOOONNNNN!!!!

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July 24, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
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Huge pump is coming Smiley
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July 24, 2014, 02:29:48 PM
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New Update!!
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Crypt Commander Info Video



To access your qt wallets from different computers we require to download the blockchain or import the wallet.dat and replace it in different computers. But with the Cryptcoin commander, the user is allowed to remotely access through a webpage while maintaining only a single blockchain and wallet. The coins are securely stored in the home computer but with the Cryptcoin commander you can access your wallet from anywhere in the world considering you can connect to the webpage. Cryptcoin Commander is mobile optimized so you can access your funds on the go. The Cryptcoin commander lets you monitor market and networks statistics to keep you updated.


MOOOOONNNNN!!!!


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July 24, 2014, 02:34:08 PM
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Very nice job devs, the video is really amazing, all is perfect o_o

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July 24, 2014, 02:44:37 PM
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That's fantastic news! The video looks great and is very professional! Thanks devs, nice to have you back.  Smiley
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July 24, 2014, 02:49:08 PM
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The price is raising very fast on cryptsy!!!


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July 24, 2014, 02:50:50 PM
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It's … happening!

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July 24, 2014, 02:51:36 PM
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That's fantastic news! The video looks great and is very professional! Thanks devs, nice to have you back.  Smiley
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So for the second time IRC/BCT gets hacked by ATTIOUS. Dev didn't post anything worth in over a month and now he posts a video that was probably down 1 month ago at their commander ANN and everyone sees crypt on the moon Huh

LOL.

1. Why don't you explain HOW did your account gets hacked for a SECOND TIME ?

2. WHERE have you been for 45 days ?

3. How are you developing a CRYPTO coin and ARE NOT able to secure your fucking BCT/IRC accounts.

4. Where is the CODE ? Seems like it's a cheap video so you can exit.
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July 24, 2014, 03:04:11 PM
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So for the second time IRC/BCT gets hacked by ATTIOUS. Dev didn't post anything worth in over a month and now he posts a video that was probably down 1 month ago at their commander ANN and everyone sees crypt on the moon Huh

LOL.

1. Why don't you explain HOW did your account gets hacked for a SECOND TIME ?

2. WHERE have you been for 45 days ?

3. How are you developing a CRYPTO coin and ARE NOT able to secure your fucking BCT/IRC accounts.

4. Where is the CODE ? Seems like it's a cheap video so you can exit.

1: I think you need to learn the security for understand how it's easy to pirate anyone who work with you. No need to explain it.
2: It was less than 25 days, so.... 45 days? you are pretty dumb. Anyway it seems like you never worked on programming.
3: goto 1
4: hmm... goto 2 (even if your question is good, we don't need the code source... why you want the code source? create a clone?)

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July 24, 2014, 03:06:22 PM
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I still have unanswered questions which he agreed
Who is the Owner of this COIN??
Who are the DEVS of this COIN??(before you say MindFOX I know and he sounds like a good DEV from what Ive read)
Who are the MODS of this COIN??
I do HOLD CRYPT so consider myself as much a part of this as you my bag might not be as big but that is doesn't matter. I havent been around as long as you but I have witnessed other forums were suggestions and questions were answered by MODS and DEVS so why not here?

Fair enough Bollos. I'm taking you off of ignore. I appreciate the honesty you showed in your post.
Your friend hit the nail on the head, and I appreciate that. In addition, good on you for MMA training. I teach martial arts and MMA is no joke. The training is rigorous and demanding.

All of your questions are valid, and deserve to be answered. I tried to answer the community's questions to the best of my ability over the past 3 weeks or so. It would have been helpful if the devs showed up to clarify things. It looks like their product is nearly ready for the public and the ball is rolling. I think the video looks very good and if the wallet is close behind, Crypt should launch towards the sky in short order.  

Thanks again for the message and your honesty.

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July 24, 2014, 03:15:22 PM
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So for the second time IRC/BCT gets hacked by ATTIOUS. Dev didn't post anything worth in over a month and now he posts a video that was probably down 1 month ago at their commander ANN and everyone sees crypt on the moon Huh

LOL.

1. Why don't you explain HOW did your account gets hacked for a SECOND TIME ?

2. WHERE have you been for 45 days ?

3. How are you developing a CRYPTO coin and ARE NOT able to secure your fucking BCT/IRC accounts.

4. Where is the CODE ? Seems like it's a cheap video so you can exit.

1: I think you need to learn the security for understand how it's easy to pirate anyone who work with you. No need to explain it.
2: It was less than 25 days, so.... 45 days? you are pretty dumb. Anyway it seems like you never worked on programming.
3: goto 1
4: hmm... goto 2 (even if your question is good, we don't need the code source... why you want the code source? create a clone?)


Please be my guest and moon it with your money.

~30 days ago they posted a PHOTOSHOP jpeg about what they intended to do and now they post a VIDEO of a concept with NOTHING yet shown as developed as of now. Fucking sheeps who are attacking people with real concerns.

I am programmer dummy and this looks more and more as an EXIT plan. Mindfox said HIMSELF that he is loyal to the people paying him and not the community. Also Koolio and co haven't been seen posting here or on twitter about crypt for 30 days too. If that's how you think DEV should threat investors please hold the bag I don't care.

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July 24, 2014, 03:19:40 PM
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Don't be concerned about me or my money. I can take care of it myself. Thanks. So if you don't own any Crypt, what do you care?

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July 24, 2014, 03:19:47 PM
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I would be talking about Class A voting shares for board members who control the company which would be a Stock corporation huh pretty hilarious.

There's nothing inherent about a specific share class that gives you board members. It is the charter and/or shareholder agreement that determines whether or not any specific class of shares have voting rights, and if they have voting rights, the proportional weight of those votes. E.g. for Google, it is class B shares that hold the majority of the votes (each class B share counts for 10 votes, while class A shares only count for 1 vote each - ensuring that Brin and Page together has a straight up majority, and class C shares does not get a vote at all)

As a bit of a digression the most share classes in a pre-IPO company I've had shares in was 5 (A through E), all with different rights, ranging from different voting rights, to claw-back rights, anti-dilution rights, rights of first refusal and other crap...

There's also nothing requiring an IPO for this kind of setup. On the contrary, most companies that take investors never IPO at all, ever, but remain private, and only solicit investments from a small group (in fact, most coin "IPO"'s are likely to violate various investment regulations, as most places there are stringent restrictions on reporting before you can offer an investment product or share offering to the public).
 
I am equating this and you must have thought I think Crypt is an S-Corp...
Apply this to stocks as if this coin could be one (if it were, then insider trading etc.), this was what is implied as if we are dealing with a stock. Crypt called Whales investors not me,

Ok, so if you're just drawing parallels, then that changes things a bit.

But my main points were that 1) there are many forms of investment that does not require the issuance of shares at all, so it's perfectly possible that these investors are genuinely investors that have put money into the dev team in return for specific return. Debt financing in particular, with or without some form of convertible note or option, is very suitable for crypto coins (and whether the dev team made use of the "not quite a pre-mine" high early block rewards, or simply bought a bunch on the cheap very early on, or whether their "assets" are in the form of other planned revenue sources is relatively irrelevant - as long as they have/had something of monetary value to offer, debt financing or a convertible note would be a possibility with or without an actual corporation) and 2)  that it is common for investors to exercise control over this type of decision, either via board seats, or for that matter via shareholder agreements (e.g. typical VC dictated agreements I've had to deal with often includes a long list of things the investors have veto rights on individually or by majority vote of a group (or share class in a corporation)).

Of course, it could also be this guy is just talking out of his ass. I hope not - I hold more Crypt than I ought to Cheesy

and they state that they consult the whales. Then to top it off they act in concert with whales and even state it in their Chat, but you are more concerned with what jurisdiction or exact docs are being referenced. You should be more concerned about the insider trading that was divulged in the chat.

No insider trading can be inferred from the chat without knowing 1) whether or not the whales acts on that inside knowledge to alter their buying or selling, and 2) what jurisdiction any agreement is under, and/or what exact form the mentioned investment takes. That's why it matters.

That of course doesn't mean that it isn't or couldn't happen, and it doesn't mean they couldn't be up to something highly unethical without breaking laws. Certainly, one of the possible "returns" the dev team could offer their investors in return for debt financing would be the inside track on a "guaranteed" pump, for example.

Note that the most negative action the investors could take in this case *at this point*, though, would not be prevented by insider trading laws most places, or at least be practically impossible to prove: They can slowly and steadily accumulate, and simply use their decision making position to delay a release to get more people to panic sell. Carrying out a steady trading schedule is allowed most places, as long as the trading pattern isn't materially altered as a result of inside information. And there are near infinite justified reasons possible for delaying a product release.

Of course, if an artifical pump starts, then there's plenty of opportunity for shady dealings, such as giving investors inside track on when the artificial support will vanish. But I have a hard time getting too upset even if that happens: Everyone involved knows this is an unregulated market as of yet, with a long track record of shady shit happening, and a large element of gambling. Anyone buying into this without being prepared to deal with the risks have only  themselves to blame. And at the same time, most of us appear to be quite happy to reap the benefits when we get in/out at the right time of some pump and dump...



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July 24, 2014, 03:22:13 PM
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Please be my guest and moon it with your money.

~30 days ago they posted a PHOTOSHOP jpeg about what they intended to do and now they post a VIDEO of a concept with NOTHING yet shown as developed as of now. Fucking sheeps who are attacking people with real concerns.

I am programmer dummy and this looks more and more as an EXIT plan. Mindfox said HIMSELF that he is loyal to the people paying him and not the community. Also Koolio and co haven't been seen posting here or on twitter about crypt for 30 days too. If that's how you think DEV should threat investors please hold the bag I don't care.

I am only trying to protect potential investors here. DON'T GET BURN. DYOR

So you said: "I am only trying to protect potential investors here"
                  "If that's how you think DEV should threat investors please hold the bag I don't care"

Wait, you don't care but you are trying to protect the potential investors o_o Full contradiction.

Anyway, if you are a investor like me and if you want to contact ccryptcoin so contact him...

Silence doesn't mean forgetting.

You are the manipulator manipulated. Me? I invested because it's my choice, i know that any coin can die.

edit: also it's funny how one person put -1 to the video lol... really i laugh xD that guy created a youtube acc only for be able to push -1 button XD

fucking life i laugh so hard everyday xD

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July 24, 2014, 03:23:04 PM
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This is why CRYPT will be HUGE!!!

[6/8/14, 2:10:12 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): hi Ahmad Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:10:16 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): ok, think this:
[6/8/14, 2:10:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): how hard do you think it is to spoof an sms?
[6/8/14, 2:10:29 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the origin number I mean
[6/8/14, 2:10:38 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just sit and watch what will happen after a while
[6/8/14, 2:10:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): do you remember the fiasco with voicemail messages being heard by other people?
[6/8/14, 2:11:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just because it was very easy to change their callerID?
[6/8/14, 2:11:08 PM] gudcrypt: Good point costas
[6/8/14, 2:11:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): imagine that for a second
[6/8/14, 2:11:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): ok
[6/8/14, 2:11:16 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): email? that's even worse
[6/8/14, 2:11:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): let me give you an example
[6/8/14, 2:11:43 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): wouldn't it be very cool if we didn't need to drive our cars?
[6/8/14, 2:11:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): have computers do that for us?
[6/8/14, 2:11:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the technology for that already exists
[6/8/14, 2:12:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, computers can't make all the calculations needed for that
[6/8/14, 2:12:11 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, no such product is "yet" created
[6/8/14, 2:12:17 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): what I mean is:
[6/8/14, 2:12:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): don't remove security
[6/8/14, 2:12:28 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for simplicity sake
[6/8/14, 2:12:28 PM] Bradley: Yeah... It could be done on a higher level.
[6/8/14, 2:12:37 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it will be a mistake that we will all utterly regret
[6/8/14, 2:13:12 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what can we do to make the address seem easier, at the same time not compromising security ?
[6/8/14, 2:13:30 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): there are things to do
[6/8/14, 2:13:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, it would make anonymity blow away Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:13:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example: we can create a DNS-like system
[6/8/14, 2:13:50 PM] Bradley: ^^^
[6/8/14, 2:13:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, would you announce your name and your address?
[6/8/14, 2:13:57 PM] Bradley: anon would be gone.
[6/8/14, 2:15:25 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so where are we heading on the next big thing for CRY ? another anon or do you guys have something on the works ?
[6/8/14, 2:15:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): a safe anon is the plan for now
[6/8/14, 2:15:46 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): good points above btw
[6/8/14, 2:16:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, we will do it, the recommended way
[6/8/14, 2:16:10 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): i mean we can implement for example anon as stage #1, but stage #2 we can do something mind blowing
 
[6/8/14, 2:16:47 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, I always said this to all the coins that I "consult" in the tech aspect
[6/8/14, 2:17:08 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you want extra functionality, put it in 3rd party programs
[6/8/14, 2:17:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if we want "mind-blowing" then we should focus on a very good and detailed API
[6/8/14, 2:18:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): give the API power that no other coin has
[6/8/14, 2:18:03 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what are your thinking on next for CRY ?
[6/8/14, 2:18:12 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): which will allow us to create a bunch of applications for it
[6/8/14, 2:18:18 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and tie it with other things, but safely
[6/8/14, 2:18:27 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): for example an accounting system, can be tied to it
[6/8/14, 2:18:39 PM] Moosa: an integrated accounting system for CRY would be very popular for merchants.
[6/8/14, 2:18:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes, that could be one
[6/8/14, 2:18:47 PM] Moosa: thats good idea costas
[6/8/14, 2:19:00 PM] Moosa: On 6/8/14, at 2:17 PM, Costas (aka mindfox) wrote:
> if we want "mind-blowing" then we should focus on a very good and detailed API
> give the API power that no other coin has
[6/8/14, 2:19:04 PM] Moosa: this i like
[6/8/14, 2:19:06 PM] Bradley: Yeah, giving dev's an easy integration point... Would be self advertising.
[6/8/14, 2:19:10 PM] Moosa: aye
[6/8/14, 2:19:14 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): exactly Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:19:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): make others invest in your coin with more than just btc
[6/8/14, 2:19:32 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what uses for this API ?
[6/8/14, 2:19:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if others are interested and create applications for your coin
[6/8/14, 2:19:36 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): your coin gets value
[6/8/14, 2:19:44 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): lets see some ideas so we can think of putting those in a video
[6/8/14, 2:19:51 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): like examples, for real world people
[6/8/14, 2:19:52 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, the command-line clients are using the API
[6/8/14, 2:19:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): exchanges
[6/8/14, 2:19:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): pools
[6/8/14, 2:20:04 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but for basic operations
[6/8/14, 2:20:12 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example: coin control is not in the api
[6/8/14, 2:20:20 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for another coin, I inserted the ability to not stake
[6/8/14, 2:20:29 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so it won't create problems with resources
[6/8/14, 2:20:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and poloniex loved it
[6/8/14, 2:20:37 PM] Moosa: nicee
[6/8/14, 2:20:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): imagine if you can have coin control used from the command-line client
[6/8/14, 2:20:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): be able to distinguish every single transaction, the easy way
[6/8/14, 2:20:58 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so like buying and selling ?
[6/8/14, 2:21:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or export data
[6/8/14, 2:21:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, no. Buying and selling is happening in a virtual environment within the limits of each exchange's DB
[6/8/14, 2:21:51 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): coins are transferred only with deposits and withdrawals
[6/8/14, 2:22:00 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): all exchange actions are just records in a database
[6/8/14, 2:22:09 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, as you said
[6/8/14, 2:22:19 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you can't integrate an ERP system with the wallet
[6/8/14, 2:22:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): not without creating complex external applications
[6/8/14, 2:22:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): what if you could do it a bit more easy?
[6/8/14, 2:22:50 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): also, what if it allowed you to create addresses that are categorized?
[6/8/14, 2:22:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example, to make merchant's life easier?
[6/8/14, 2:23:11 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): people need some organization and categories ..etc
[6/8/14, 2:23:25 PM] Moosa: crypt will have merchant incentive if we do that
[6/8/14, 2:23:27 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): imagine the following scenario
[6/8/14, 2:23:36 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we create a bit more detailed api, with a lot of power in it
[6/8/14, 2:23:43 PM] Moosa: anon + fast and easy power api
[6/8/14, 2:23:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and then, we release an excel add-on that can communicate with the wallet
[6/8/14, 2:23:52 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just this simple move
[6/8/14, 2:24:00 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so first coin with API ?
[6/8/14, 2:24:05 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): there is API
[6/8/14, 2:24:13 PM] Moosa: but its weak
[6/8/14, 2:24:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but with basic functionality
[6/8/14, 2:24:17 PM] Moosa: ^^
[6/8/14, 2:24:17 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes, exactly
[6/8/14, 2:24:31 PM] Moosa: Integrate the first full fledged powerhouse api
[6/8/14, 2:24:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example, when you do a payment through the api
[6/8/14, 2:24:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you have no control
[6/8/14, 2:24:47 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): is there like a google spreadsheets API that would integrate with it ?
[6/8/14, 2:24:53 PM] Moosa: now thats something no other coin has
[6/8/14, 2:24:55 PM] Moosa: Cheesy
[6/8/14, 2:25:06 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, I wouldn't go for google spreadsheets
[6/8/14, 2:25:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): unless you want google to be able to control your wallet Cheesy
[6/8/14, 2:25:19 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but it could be done, yes
[6/8/14, 2:25:30 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): but another dev can do it right ? if its all API
[6/8/14, 2:25:35 PM] Moosa: yea
[6/8/14, 2:25:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, anything can be done by anyone
[6/8/14, 2:25:53 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): even if he's not skilled enough, eventually he would be able to do it
[6/8/14, 2:25:55 PM] Moosa: it will easy for them, actually it will incentive it
[6/8/14, 2:25:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it's the idea that matters most
[6/8/14, 2:26:02 PM] Moosa: if its powerful + easy
[6/8/14, 2:26:05 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and how good you "protect" it from flaws
[6/8/14, 2:26:11 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): yea but we market the API thing, and make useable apps to start with, then the other cool devs would do the rest
[6/8/14, 2:26:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, that's how open source projects works I'm afraid Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:26:32 PM] Moosa: i could make concept wallet in photoshop maybe
[6/8/14, 2:26:36 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so API --> we make some samples --> a great video do demonstrate all that --> bingo we get all devs onboard
[6/8/14, 2:26:42 PM] Moosa: nice
[6/8/14, 2:26:45 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you can't really keep a secret, especially in crypto world
[6/8/14, 2:26:45 PM] Moosa: ya ahmad
[6/8/14, 2:27:41 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): lets work on those mini API samples, so the documentation can be complete, with usable real-world scenarios we can attract more devs
[6/8/14, 2:28:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you reveal it before it's finished, you risk of someone else stealing your idea
[6/8/14, 2:28:30 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and you can't prove anything Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:28:46 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): nothing to be revealed, it stays here between us till we release , how's that ?
[6/8/14, 2:28:48 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:29:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): let's prioritize things Ahmad though
[6/8/14, 2:29:11 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I mean, I can't working in 2 different projects of that magnitude
[6/8/14, 2:29:28 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, I could, but the results would take longer and we risk of perhaps losing focus?
[6/8/14, 2:29:45 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): sorry if I sound too careful, but I saw it happening many times with my company
[6/8/14, 2:30:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): when they tried to put in R&D (my dept) a lot more projects than it could handle
[6/8/14, 2:30:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): according to QA always, right? Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:30:43 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): yea i got what u mean
[6/8/14, 2:30:52 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so whats your suggested next steps ?
[6/8/14, 2:34:09 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I'm trying to think Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:35:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I'll be honest here
[6/8/14, 2:35:06 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): ok,,
[6/8/14, 2:35:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): my strong point is coding and community support
[6/8/14, 2:35:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): community means mostly long term projects
[6/8/14, 2:35:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, I don't know what I can do to create the so called "hype"
[6/8/14, 2:35:53 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): all I can do, is lay down ideas
[6/8/14, 2:36:22 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so for example API integration, can u do that ?
[6/8/14, 2:36:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes, I can do it. otherwise I wouldn't propose it
[6/8/14, 2:37:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I am not the one who is suggesting what others could do
[6/8/14, 2:37:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): only if I'm asked to Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:37:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but usually, when I have ideas, I also have some concept that goes with them
[6/8/14, 2:37:21 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): cool
[6/8/14, 2:37:47 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but, I would need a plain user's perspective
[6/8/14, 2:38:02 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): lets think of scenarios for real world API usage
[6/8/14, 2:38:08 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): and make some examples
[6/8/14, 2:38:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example: what is it that a plain user would love to see, regarding simplicity, usability and information gathering?
[6/8/14, 2:38:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): something easy that we can do
[6/8/14, 2:38:21 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): like lay down the basics
[6/8/14, 2:38:21 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, you got me on that Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:38:28 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): hehe
[6/8/14, 2:38:34 PM] Moosa: integration into social media FB twitter ect..
[6/8/14, 2:40:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I think it uses a central processing server for sms
[6/8/14, 2:41:56 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): i gotta think of some stuff and see if i can post some shortly
[6/8/14, 2:41:59 PM] Moosa: LOL
[6/8/14, 2:41:59 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): brb
[6/8/14, 2:42:04 PM] Moosa: k ahmad
[6/8/14, 2:42:33 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): what can the API provide exactly ? like raw info of what ?
[6/8/14, 2:42:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you send a command and you get a result
[6/8/14, 2:42:59 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for now, you can check transactions (by id), wallet addresses
[6/8/14, 2:43:04 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): total amounts
[6/8/14, 2:43:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): send payments
[6/8/14, 2:43:23 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): send and receive payments possible right ?
[6/8/14, 2:43:27 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes of course
[6/8/14, 2:43:32 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, not receive
[6/8/14, 2:43:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): send
[6/8/14, 2:43:43 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): you can't control the receival of a payment Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:43:45 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): so for example, can a firefox or chrome add-on be made to send payments easily ?
[6/8/14, 2:43:53 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): why not recieve ?
[6/8/14, 2:44:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you ask to receive a payment, who would grant your wish? Cheesy
[6/8/14, 2:44:42 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): but if someone sends the other guys recieves ? no ? Smiley_
[6/8/14, 2:44:43 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:44:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes
[6/8/14, 2:44:52 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but wallet doesn't have to be open for that
[6/8/14, 2:44:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it is stored in the blockchain
[6/8/14, 2:45:06 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): ok did someone do a chrome or firefox wallet before ?
[6/8/14, 2:45:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so when you open your wallet, you see that it happened
[6/8/14, 2:45:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I think there were web wallets that used browser localstorage
[6/8/14, 2:45:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but it is very dangerous Smiley
[6/8/14, 2:46:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): aha yea
[6/8/14, 3:46:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): I'm proposing an idea for API , is verified addresses, so basically anyone can have the option to verify thier address and link it to his email, making "paypal" type of transactions possible
[6/8/14, 3:46:31 PM] Moosa: hello ahmad
[6/8/14, 3:46:35 PM] Moosa: ok
[6/8/14, 3:46:36 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Hey moosa
[6/8/14, 3:46:55 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): I bought the email discussion before above
[6/8/14, 3:47:20 PM] Moosa: i see
[6/8/14, 3:48:07 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): API is a big thing
[6/8/14, 3:48:12 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Once we do that
[6/8/14, 3:48:14 PM] Moosa: yeah it could be very popular
[6/8/14, 3:48:19 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): We do some cool examples ourselves
[6/8/14, 3:48:28 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): And while the other devs start making tools
[6/8/14, 3:48:32 PM] Moosa: yeah
[6/8/14, 3:49:16 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): First API  draft, then we create demos
[6/8/14, 3:49:25 PM] Moosa: cool
[6/8/14, 3:49:39 PM] Moosa: What 'app' do we plan to showcase with the api
[6/8/14, 3:49:44 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): One of the demos could be spreadsheet linking like mindfox mentioned
[6/8/14, 3:49:45 PM] Moosa: our flagship
[6/8/14, 3:49:49 PM] Moosa: i see
[6/8/14, 3:49:54 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Maybe think of something better
[6/8/14, 3:50:06 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): But i feel email verification could eork
[6/8/14, 3:50:09 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): *work
[6/8/14, 3:50:11 PM] Moosa: So we can advertise us a being versatile for devs and promote merchants also ?
[6/8/14, 3:50:33 PM] Moosa: I think step 1 from here
[6/8/14, 3:50:35 PM] Moosa: today is
[6/8/14, 3:50:40 PM] Moosa: to have apresentable plan
[6/8/14, 3:50:43 PM] Moosa: to show
[6/8/14, 3:50:51 PM] Moosa: that way we have it for our reference
[6/8/14, 3:50:57 PM] Moosa: and for people coming to us
[6/8/14, 3:52:30 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Aha gotcha
[6/8/14, 3:52:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): both projects are quite large
[6/8/14, 3:52:54 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Yea I can imagine
[6/8/14, 3:52:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): one (anon) is about implementing something very very secure as it should
[6/8/14, 3:53:53 PM] Moosa: i agree
[6/8/14, 3:53:57 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, it's not about fairness, it's about productivity
[6/8/14, 3:54:04 PM] Moosa: yeah exactly
[6/8/14, 3:54:10 PM] Moosa: as productive as possible
[6/8/14, 3:54:22 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I believe I'm a professional, so I have no emotional ties
[6/8/14, 3:54:36 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Costas what's the ETA on anon project ?
[6/8/14, 3:54:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Ahmad, the goal is to have a workable test version by the end of june
[6/8/14, 3:55:01 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but that eta is not public
[6/8/14, 3:55:16 PM] Moosa: I say ahmad me and your draft something like this
[6/8/14, 3:55:50 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): as you know, if the eta is not met for any reason, people will attack the project, without thinking about anything else than how to spread fud
[6/8/14, 3:56:04 PM] Moosa: ^
[6/8/14, 3:56:34 PM] Moosa: What the others should worry about is the API project
[6/8/14, 4:03:08 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Yea
[6/8/14, 4:03:38 PM] Moosa: Costas
[6/8/14, 4:03:42 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): yes?
[6/8/14, 4:04:01 PM] Moosa: on a scale of 1 to 10 the deployment of the API system we plan to incorporate what do u think it is?
[6/8/14, 4:04:08 PM] Moosa: in difficulty
[6/8/14, 4:04:21 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it all depends on the functionality we want to inject
[6/8/14, 4:04:53 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): for example:
[6/8/14, 4:04:57 PM] Moosa: ok
[6/8/14, 4:05:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): return a list of the top10 transactions (in amount of coins)
[6/8/14, 4:05:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or
[6/8/14, 4:05:41 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): find the addresses of wallets that sent me the most total number of transactions over a period
[6/8/14, 4:06:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or, create recursive payments to this address, every X amount of days, for Z number of times (or till date 11/22/2099)
[6/8/14, 4:06:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or... you name it
[6/8/14, 4:07:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): whatever it could be constructed by many API calls, can be used to create one specific API call
[6/8/14, 4:07:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it would make communication with the wallet a lot faster
[6/8/14, 4:07:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and give structured info
[6/8/14, 4:07:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): which in turn could be used by other applications
[6/8/14, 4:07:47 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): without having to know about blocks and transactions and the lot
[6/8/14, 4:08:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): that would make programming the wallet a lot easier
[6/8/14, 4:08:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because now, one must know about how coins works
[6/8/14, 4:08:26 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, it all depends on how complete and what range of applications we would like to cover
[6/8/14, 4:08:31 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): in reality, sky's the limit
[6/8/14, 4:08:40 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we will of course would like to retain some balalnce
[6/8/14, 4:08:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): binary weight / api commands
[6/8/14, 4:09:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but I believe you get the point
[6/8/14, 4:09:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, the real world example (to fight the fudders) would be: make this (through a single call)
[6/8/14, 4:09:45 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and when the fudder will say: "We can already do that you moron!"
[6/8/14, 4:10:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we will answer: "Yes, with 100 api calls and XXX MB of bandwidth usage and with YYY RAM used to bridge the info, and have it running for UUU amount of time"
[6/8/14, 4:10:41 PM] Moosa: i see
[6/8/14, 4:11:26 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I believe what would be really nice to add to the API and it would be cutting edge in practical use, would be the coin control
[6/8/14, 4:11:34 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): being able to select which transactions to pick in order to send coins
[6/8/14, 4:11:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because right now, either you let the wallet pick (and it uses the oldest ones, so for PoS coins this is a disaster)
[6/8/14, 4:12:06 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): or you create the transaction manually (which is a kill, believe me)
[6/8/14, 4:12:23 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Can the API make trading easier ? Like bot linking ..etc or not ?
[6/8/14, 4:12:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): well, not easier
[6/8/14, 4:12:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because for that purpose, those applications are already aware of how the coin api works
[6/8/14, 4:13:03 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so it's not so big problem for them
[6/8/14, 4:13:05 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): but
[6/8/14, 4:13:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): being able to select which coins you're going to use to deposit to the exchange is crucial (with PoS coins)
[6/8/14, 4:13:34 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the oldest coins you use, the more expensive it is
[6/8/14, 4:13:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): because when you do, you destroy their coinage (which means, they won't stake for you)
[6/8/14, 4:14:14 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Aha
[6/8/14, 4:14:18 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): till now, you could do it only with the graphical client by selecting the transactions manually (clicking on checkboxes)
[6/8/14, 4:14:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): also another concept towards that is for exchanges
[6/8/14, 4:14:39 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): as you may have noticed, more and more exchanges are staking and distributing the coins generated to users
[6/8/14, 4:14:55 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): instead of having to move the coins to cold wallets and waste the original coinage,
[6/8/14, 4:14:59 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Like the #1 wallet in cry right ?
[6/8/14, 4:15:10 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): we could give them the ability to perform payouts by using the latest transactions and not the oldest
[6/8/14, 4:15:46 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): payouts = withdrawals from the user's aspect
[6/8/14, 4:16:54 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I believe that by caring what exchanges needs, you create a good partner for your coin
[6/8/14, 4:17:16 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I witnessed it in my interaction with exchange admin members
[6/8/14, 4:17:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): most of them kept telling me that they wish others would be so helpful (devs I mean) for their coins and how good it was that I was taking under consideration their needs
[6/8/14, 4:18:35 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): key role (imho) is exchanges at first
[6/8/14, 4:18:48 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and merchants or payment gateways, after
[6/8/14, 4:19:04 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if one wants to create a coin with a future, that is
[6/8/14, 4:19:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if not, then only exchanges
[6/8/14, 4:19:25 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and then, fancy stuff
[6/8/14, 4:19:36 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): so, it all depends on where we're heading with CRY
[6/8/14, 4:21:13 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): and since both projects are based on my ideas, I believe we got the emotional aspect covered as well Cheesy
[6/8/14, 4:21:29 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Hehe yea Smiley
[6/8/14, 4:21:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I didn't mean it as an ego-thing
[6/8/14, 4:21:39 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): just to show that both projects excites me Smiley
[6/8/14, 4:27:02 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if you allow me to go afk. dinner time (it's 23:26 here) Smiley
[6/8/14, 4:27:59 PM] Moosa: cool
[6/8/14, 4:30:39 PM] Ahmad (sinarline): Cool see ya
 
 
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[6/10/14, 7:36:30 PM] Moosa: Nothing comprising
[6/10/14, 7:36:47 PM] Moosa: Up to your discretion if you feel no
[6/10/14, 7:36:50 PM] Moosa: Then that's fine
[6/10/14, 7:36:56 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the thing is
[6/10/14, 7:37:23 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the only thing that could be taken as a screenshot, is the code itself Smiley
[6/10/14, 7:37:51 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): the tests I'm' doing are not like: Open Wallet -> Anon Transaction -> Check it went through
[6/10/14, 7:37:58 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): that's the final step Smiley
[6/10/14, 7:38:10 PM] Moosa: ah
 
[6/10/14, 7:40:33 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): to help you understand better how this goes
[6/10/14, 7:40:34 PM] Moosa: and you have my full support going with it Smiley
[6/10/14, 7:40:37 PM] Moosa: sure
[6/10/14, 7:40:44 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): I am designing the principles of how it will work
[6/10/14, 7:40:49 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): break down the flows
[6/10/14, 7:41:00 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): create prototype code and test it
[6/10/14, 7:41:14 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): if something doesn't work as it should, either re-code it, or re-design it
[6/10/14, 7:41:24 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): it's a repetitive work
[6/10/14, 7:42:15 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): now, I don't believe that a command-line like this: sendmsg "address" and a result from it would really mean something
[6/10/14, 7:42:18 PM] gudcrypt: Moosa how are talks with Cryptsy and MintPal?
[6/10/14, 7:42:25 PM] Moosa: I spoke with Horus the other night, they have forwarded my request to Paul, also a big investor I know was going to reach out to Mint and offer them incentive.
[6/10/14, 7:44:43 PM] Moosa: We should be listed on Cryptsy soon and Mint to follow
[6/10/14, 7:44:53 PM] gudcrypt: Awesome work man! Smiley
[6/10/14, 7:45:00 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): Mullick at Cryptsy knows me so being listed there should pose no issue.
[6/10/14, 7:45:01 PM] gudcrypt: good to know
[6/10/14, 7:45:05 PM] Moosa: anyways good chat will check back tomorrow
[6/10/14, 7:45:07 PM] Costas (aka mindfox): goodbye
[6/10/14, 7:45:13 PM] gudcrypt: later
[6/10/14, 7:45:14 PM] Moosa: Smiley


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