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May 07, 2016, 03:53:00 AM |
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Will be interesting to see how strongly they protest when nem increases in value even more. At 3k sats they will be hordes.
Probably not. Ever since I joined this thread, there've only been two or perhaps three including the latest contenda. There's a theoretical upper bound; it can't be more than the number of deemed sockpuppets during the cleanouts. at some point (100K?) people will threaten to lawyer up to get their stakes, like the Winklevii did with FB. At what marketcap is a NEM stake of ~2M coins worth going to court over? Could banned socks sell their 'claims' to a vulture fund? If you look at what UP actually said when NEM was launched there was some obvious back peddling on the rules & policy on the run. Could be very interesting to hear a lawyers opinion on the chances of fighting for a stake worth 1M USD NEM is a non entity. There is no locus standi. Hence it won't hold water in court.
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May 07, 2016, 04:29:47 AM |
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Will be interesting to see how strongly they protest when nem increases in value even more. At 3k sats they will be hordes.
Probably not. Ever since I joined this thread, there've only been two or perhaps three including the latest contenda. There's a theoretical upper bound; it can't be more than the number of deemed sockpuppets during the cleanouts. at some point (100K?) people will threaten to lawyer up to get their stakes, like the Winklevii did with FB. At what marketcap is a NEM stake of ~2M coins worth going to court over? Could banned socks sell their 'claims' to a vulture fund? If you look at what UP actually said when NEM was launched there was some obvious back peddling on the rules & policy on the run. Could be very interesting to hear a lawyers opinion on the chances of fighting for a stake worth 1M USD NEM is a non entity. There is no locus standi. Hence it won't hold water in court. You might be right ... I don't know. The more valuable NEM becomes the greater the chance someone will at least consider trying this, especially as the coins still exist in community controlled accounts, so there's still a hypothetical chance of someone recovering them, and there's a possibility of finding UP who set everything in motion.
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rockethead
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May 07, 2016, 06:33:35 AM |
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Will be interesting to see how strongly they protest when nem increases in value even more. At 3k sats they will be hordes.
Probably not. Ever since I joined this thread, there've only been two or perhaps three including the latest contenda. There's a theoretical upper bound; it can't be more than the number of deemed sockpuppets during the cleanouts. at some point (100K?) people will threaten to lawyer up to get their stakes, like the Winklevii did with FB. At what marketcap is a NEM stake of ~2M coins worth going to court over? Could banned socks sell their 'claims' to a vulture fund? If you look at what UP actually said when NEM was launched there was some obvious back peddling on the rules & policy on the run. Could be very interesting to hear a lawyers opinion on the chances of fighting for a stake worth 1M USD NEM is a non entity. There is no locus standi. Hence it won't hold water in court. You might be right ... I don't know. The more valuable NEM becomes the greater the chance someone will at least consider trying this, especially as the coins still exist in community controlled accounts, so there's still a hypothetical chance of someone recovering them, and there's a possibility of finding UP who set everything in motion. Under what jurisdiction should that be? This is all too difficult. There wasn't anything to start with and there were clear instructions to follow then.
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May 07, 2016, 07:15:50 AM Last edit: May 07, 2016, 07:38:45 AM by kennyP |
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Will be interesting to see how strongly they protest when nem increases in value even more. At 3k sats they will be hordes.
Probably not. Ever since I joined this thread, there've only been two or perhaps three including the latest contenda. There's a theoretical upper bound; it can't be more than the number of deemed sockpuppets during the cleanouts. at some point (100K?) people will threaten to lawyer up to get their stakes, like the Winklevii did with FB. At what marketcap is a NEM stake of ~2M coins worth going to court over? Could banned socks sell their 'claims' to a vulture fund? If you look at what UP actually said when NEM was launched there was some obvious back peddling on the rules & policy on the run. Could be very interesting to hear a lawyers opinion on the chances of fighting for a stake worth 1M USD NEM is a non entity. There is no locus standi. Hence it won't hold water in court. You might be right ... I don't know. The more valuable NEM becomes the greater the chance someone will at least consider trying this, especially as the coins still exist in community controlled accounts, so there's still a hypothetical chance of someone recovering them, and there's a possibility of finding UP who set everything in motion. Under what jurisdiction should that be? This is all too difficult. There wasn't anything to start with and there were clear instructions to follow then. It's difficult now, and not worth bothering with until a NEM stake was worth many multiples more than it is today, but later it might be. I'm just speculating here, but the 'law' is not about right & wrong, or morality, it's another thing entirely ... what outcome can be achieved in a court of law. I speculate the jurisdiction would likely be wherever UP was based (USA? .. didn't he claim to be an academic working on a PhD), and his early posts from Jan 2014 on NEM would be hugely relevant to whether later stakeholder culling broke any 'contracts' and were thus was 'illegal'. USA is very litigious society, so it's possible someone there would consider this if the money at stake was large, especially if UP's identity was known. edit: how would this statement from UP be interpreted legally in the USA?
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rockethead
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May 07, 2016, 09:21:46 AM |
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Will be interesting to see how strongly they protest when nem increases in value even more. At 3k sats they will be hordes.
Probably not. Ever since I joined this thread, there've only been two or perhaps three including the latest contenda. There's a theoretical upper bound; it can't be more than the number of deemed sockpuppets during the cleanouts. at some point (100K?) people will threaten to lawyer up to get their stakes, like the Winklevii did with FB. At what marketcap is a NEM stake of ~2M coins worth going to court over? Could banned socks sell their 'claims' to a vulture fund? If you look at what UP actually said when NEM was launched there was some obvious back peddling on the rules & policy on the run. Could be very interesting to hear a lawyers opinion on the chances of fighting for a stake worth 1M USD NEM is a non entity. There is no locus standi. Hence it won't hold water in court. You might be right ... I don't know. The more valuable NEM becomes the greater the chance someone will at least consider trying this, especially as the coins still exist in community controlled accounts, so there's still a hypothetical chance of someone recovering them, and there's a possibility of finding UP who set everything in motion. Under what jurisdiction should that be? This is all too difficult. There wasn't anything to start with and there were clear instructions to follow then. It's difficult now, and not worth bothering with until a NEM stake was worth many multiples more than it is today, but later it might be. I'm just speculating here, but the 'law' is not about right & wrong, or morality, it's another thing entirely ... what outcome can be achieved in a court of law. I speculate the jurisdiction would likely be wherever UP was based (USA? .. didn't he claim to be an academic working on a PhD), and his early posts from Jan 2014 on NEM would be hugely relevant to whether later stakeholder culling broke any 'contracts' and were thus was 'illegal'. USA is very litigious society, so it's possible someone there would consider this if the money at stake was large, especially if UP's identity was known. edit: how would this statement from UP be interpreted legally in the USA? Well, the fact is, UP disappeared from here. For all you know he may be reading these posts, but no one will ever care to trace him. It will be between him and whoever and whichever jurisdiction.
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gentlemand
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May 07, 2016, 10:22:01 AM |
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Is any court going to care the slightest about an arrangement that happened years ago between anonymous people on an obscure forum with zero formal structure? I think they have better things to do with their time.
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yshin365new
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May 07, 2016, 12:24:12 PM |
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Never mind and let them alone do anything. They will obtain nothing, and lose everything - time, energy, and money....
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May 07, 2016, 06:32:39 PM |
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Never mind and let them alone do anything. They will obtain nothing, and lose everything - time, energy, and money....
, Your stupidity and carelessness can be compared only with your cynicism. @team NEM should seriously consider my words. Are you waiting for that I will soon disappear? You are violating the rights stekholderov wildly, people who have sent you money to create coins. You must be a fund for the restoration of fair share stekholderov.
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greentea
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May 07, 2016, 07:20:20 PM |
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Never mind and let them alone do anything. They will obtain nothing, and lose everything - time, energy, and money....
, Your stupidity and carelessness can be compared only with your cynicism. @team NEM should seriously consider my words. Are you waiting for that I will soon disappear? You are violating the rights stekholderov wildly, people who have sent you money to create coins. You must be a fund for the restoration of fair share stekholderov. How come you have no history of posting in the original stakeholder thread? How much did you give in exchange for your NEM stake?
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rajc
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May 07, 2016, 07:48:25 PM |
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Never mind and let them alone do anything. They will obtain nothing, and lose everything - time, energy, and money....
, Your stupidity and carelessness can be compared only with your cynicism. @team NEM should seriously consider my words. Are you waiting for that I will soon disappear? You are violating the rights stekholderov wildly, people who have sent you money to create coins. You must be a fund for the restoration of fair share stekholderov. How come you have no history of posting in the original stakeholder thread? How much did you give in exchange for your NEM stake? loool he is not even an original stakeholder. just guy with a lot of time on his hands and not very good english
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rajc
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May 07, 2016, 07:58:41 PM |
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@Tuxlsik just post your PUBLIC key so we can all see what happened
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teletobi
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May 07, 2016, 08:06:18 PM |
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Never mind and let them alone do anything. They will obtain nothing, and lose everything - time, energy, and money....
, Your stupidity and carelessness can be compared only with your cynicism. @team NEM should seriously consider my words. Are you waiting for that I will soon disappear? You are violating the rights stekholderov wildly, people who have sent you money to create coins. You must be a fund for the restoration of fair share stekholderov. How come you have no history of posting in the original stakeholder thread? How much did you give in exchange for your NEM stake? loool he is not even an original stakeholder. just guy with a lot of time on his hands and not very good english I don´t know, if he´s a original stakeholder. But he´s not the only one on BCT with little english, so don´t blame him for that.
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rajc
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May 07, 2016, 08:29:48 PM Last edit: May 07, 2016, 08:40:15 PM by rajc |
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Never mind and let them alone do anything. They will obtain nothing, and lose everything - time, energy, and money....
, Your stupidity and carelessness can be compared only with your cynicism. @team NEM should seriously consider my words. Are you waiting for that I will soon disappear? You are violating the rights stekholderov wildly, people who have sent you money to create coins. You must be a fund for the restoration of fair share stekholderov. How come you have no history of posting in the original stakeholder thread? How much did you give in exchange for your NEM stake? loool he is not even an original stakeholder. just guy with a lot of time on his hands and not very good english I don´t know, if he´s a original stakeholder. But he´s not the only one on BCT with little english, so don´t blame him for that. so it seems to me that he simply does not know how to import his private key or sent his xem to wrong address or something like that. So instead of trolling and blaming others he should try to explain what happened and try to understand what others are trying to tell him and not jump to conclusions especially when he does not understand very much. (assuming he is not just a troll - he definitely is troll but maybe not JUST a troll )
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May 07, 2016, 08:39:09 PM |
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teletobi
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May 07, 2016, 08:56:29 PM |
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so it seems to me that he simply does not know how to import his private key or sent his xem to wrong address or something like that. So instead of trolling and blaming others he should try to explain what happened and try to understand what others are trying to tell him and not jump to conclusions especially when he does not understand very much. (assuming he is not just a troll - he definitely is troll but maybe not JUST a troll ) That´s what I thought some Days ago too. But then he trolled and trolled an trolled.
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May 07, 2016, 09:17:17 PM Last edit: May 07, 2016, 09:40:27 PM by Tuxlsik |
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- I paid the fee for developers. February-March 2014. - I was watching the news, tasks, instructions. - I got a token according to the instructions - RU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg9287874#msg9287874, EN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg9282227#msg9282227- I registered here - https://chain.nem.ninja/stakes/- That statement - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg9086701#msg9086701It was October-November 2014. All these instructions are accompanied by concrete descriptions "Пpoдoлжитeльнocть 2-гo этaпa - 2...4 нeдeли. Пoздpaвляeм! Baши NEM oжидaют вac нa yкaзaннoм вaми aдpece. Toчнee гoвopя, yкaзaнный aдpec c oпpeдeлeннoй cyммoй бyдeт включeн в Nemesis блoк, и пocлe pecтapтa блoкчeйнa вы бyдeтe имeть дocтyп к этoмy aдpecy.""Duration of the 2nd stage - 2 ... 4 weeks. Congratulations! Your NEM await you at the address you specify. More precisely, the specified address with a certain amount will be included in Nemesis unit, and after the restart blokcheyna you will have access to this address. "
No additional instructions debts. On additional instructions nebylo said. I kept Toketa data, addresses, private, public key and waited for the start. And I do not understand at what point was removed from the list. ------------- Tell me, where is described what I can be suddenly removed ?! I had no idea what will happen to crank out some sort of a scam! I do not understand when I was removed from the list! EN - https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef#.t8ce33hk4 RU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg8934755#msg8934755The conclusion is simple - first, collecting the money, then strong words to the end of the registration, and then, at some point a sudden removal from the list. And I then Troll? yshin365nev, rajc, teletobi you continue to mock me and infringe upon my rights.
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greentea
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May 07, 2016, 10:11:20 PM |
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- I paid the fee for developers. February-March 2014. - I was watching the news, tasks, instructions. - I got a token according to the instructions - RU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg9287874#msg9287874, EN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg9282227#msg9282227- I registered here - https://chain.nem.ninja/stakes/- That statement - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg9086701#msg9086701It was October-November 2014. All these instructions are accompanied by concrete descriptions "Пpoдoлжитeльнocть 2-гo этaпa - 2...4 нeдeли. Пoздpaвляeм! Baши NEM oжидaют вac нa yкaзaннoм вaми aдpece. Toчнee гoвopя, yкaзaнный aдpec c oпpeдeлeннoй cyммoй бyдeт включeн в Nemesis блoк, и пocлe pecтapтa блoкчeйнa вы бyдeтe имeть дocтyп к этoмy aдpecy.""Duration of the 2nd stage - 2 ... 4 weeks. Congratulations! Your NEM await you at the address you specify. More precisely, the specified address with a certain amount will be included in Nemesis unit, and after the restart blokcheyna you will have access to this address. "
No additional instructions debts. On additional instructions nebylo said. I kept Toketa data, addresses, private, public key and waited for the start. And I do not understand at what point was removed from the list. ------------- Tell me, where is described what I can be suddenly removed ?! I had no idea what will happen to crank out some sort of a scam! I do not understand when I was removed from the list! EN - https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef#.t8ce33hk4 RU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg8934755#msg8934755The conclusion is simple - first, collecting the money, then strong words to the end of the registration, and then, at some point a sudden removal from the list. And I then Troll? yshin365nev, rajc, teletobi you continue to mock me and infringe upon my rights. How come you have no history of posting in the original stakeholder thread?
How much did you give in exchange for your NEM stake?
you didn't answer the questions above?
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Tuxlsik
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May 07, 2016, 10:26:51 PM |
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- I paid the fee for developers. February-March 2014. - I was watching the news, tasks, instructions. - I got a token according to the instructions - RU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg9287874#msg9287874, EN - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=654845.msg9282227#msg9282227- I registered here - https://chain.nem.ninja/stakes/- That statement - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg9086701#msg9086701It was October-November 2014. All these instructions are accompanied by concrete descriptions "Пpoдoлжитeльнocть 2-гo этaпa - 2...4 нeдeли. Пoздpaвляeм! Baши NEM oжидaют вac нa yкaзaннoм вaми aдpece. Toчнee гoвopя, yкaзaнный aдpec c oпpeдeлeннoй cyммoй бyдeт включeн в Nemesis блoк, и пocлe pecтapтa блoкчeйнa вы бyдeтe имeть дocтyп к этoмy aдpecy.""Duration of the 2nd stage - 2 ... 4 weeks. Congratulations! Your NEM await you at the address you specify. More precisely, the specified address with a certain amount will be included in Nemesis unit, and after the restart blokcheyna you will have access to this address. "
No additional instructions debts. On additional instructions nebylo said. I kept Toketa data, addresses, private, public key and waited for the start. And I do not understand at what point was removed from the list. ------------- Tell me, where is described what I can be suddenly removed ?! I had no idea what will happen to crank out some sort of a scam! I do not understand when I was removed from the list! EN - https://medium.com/@xtester/nem-redemption-process-f90db6b10eef#.t8ce33hk4 RU - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455591.msg8934755#msg8934755The conclusion is simple - first, collecting the money, then strong words to the end of the registration, and then, at some point a sudden removal from the list. And I then Troll? yshin365nev, rajc, teletobi you continue to mock me and infringe upon my rights. How come you have no history of posting in the original stakeholder thread?
How much did you give in exchange for your NEM stake?
you didn't answer the questions above? I do not understand the question, what kind of stories? I was also there in the Google registry. What kind of stories are you talking about? Do not understand the question, you are asking me to buy a stack? I bought right at the beginning, I did not understand the question.
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nzminer
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May 07, 2016, 10:36:27 PM |
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Take it easy! Coindesk was always a place what was not a friend of Java-based blockchain solutions. I remember when Coindesk has completely ignored Nxt, even on times when it has had a market capitalization of 50-80 million $. Coindesk authors are pro C(++).
Why on Earth would a website be prejudiced against a, er, programming language? Because back then, POS was considered to be hog-wash, and totally against the spirit of a viable crypto currency. NXT was being rubbished because it was java too, but perhaps you have made a good point and that they are just rubbishing java as an excuse? The truth is that anyone could write a c++ client if they wished anyway, and i believe that has already indeed been done with several alternative NXT clients.
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NEM, THE SECURE, SCALABLE BLOCKCHAIN [NEM.IO] [T.ME/NEMRED]
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I am not Dorian Nakamoto.
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May 08, 2016, 05:48:51 AM |
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Yes, I know him. It always frustrates me that people focus on one bad infrastructure like bitcoin/cp/openassets/colu/cc when NEM has the best digital asset creation platform in the world.
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