FAIRLAY - SPORTS BETTING for experts - highest liquidity, provably best odds

[trytrytryx3]

Its not Fairlay that's offering its many professionals who use scripts that are tied into other exchanges and surebet systems so they can make a profit...the odds change quick...I use https://www.oddschecker.com/ to monitor and fairlay is around those listed many times higher odds too...If you place a prediction under normal it will place your prediction at that price nothing less then what u ask....so if u place +940 it will not give u less unless u go back and take the lower price if markets tighten..they go both ways higher and lower I think timing is key and watch drifters out and as many times a favorite will take late action and tighten

  what Im asking is specifically if there is prices listed by MArket makers at +940 .  Market makers are accepting +940  but the USER customer types in +200 for example just to be sure the bet matches best available listed odds no matter what, FAIRLAY will  match it, but only give you +200 not +940 which was the active exchange price.   I think that procedure in the software could be considered unfair  (not FAIrlay!)  or perhaps even grossly unfair for an exchange to do that   (betfair does not do that, ehorsex did not, directbet did not, matchbook does not, no exchange would do that, if you put in a price under the asking they would give you the best price on the exchange) and wanted them to comment or be aware.

its not just horses its sports also, they are not totally FAIR

for example right now and for hours the cinci reds are offered at



just to demo my point and concern



this is the current price in MLB on the cinci reds today  +156  (and it has been +156 for over 30 minutes no change so its not moving). so anyone any customer could go and bet the REDS for +156 that is the best price available on the fairlay exchange

Cincinnati Reds (L. Castillo) @ New York Yankee...
Game. Pitcher must start.

Cincinnati Reds   
-
+156.0
4,512




just to demonstrate my concern with the software and the fairness I typed in a minimum  2mbtc of +150 on the REDS  (a much worse price that is listed)



well fair lay software does not give the 2mbtc at the best available +156  (If a cusotmer is willing to take +150 they obvioulsy would accept +156 we can all agree on that right)   they semi steal a bit and just grant the +150  see below my confirmed wager.

  I think that could be improved and no exchange in history has ever done that.  sure you have to be careful what you type blah blah blah but by default best price on the exchange should go to the customer if they bid under the price or the price happens to move up while they are entering. 




Cincinnati Reds (L. Castillo) ...   +150.0   Cincinnati Reds   Yes   2.00   28 minutes   4 hours, 31 minutes

[FairlaySupport]

You always get the best available odds on Fairlay.   If the market is at +940    and you enter odds of +200, you will get +940.   

 Currently, the displayed odds of your matched bets are the minimum odds.   We will go along with the industry standard and switch to average odds there soon.

[trytrytryx3]

You always get the best available odds on Fairlay.   If the market is at +940    and you enter odds of +200, you will get +940.    

 Currently, the displayed odds of your matched bets are the minimum odds.   We will go along with the industry standard and switch to average odds there soon.

 I have a +150 odds  matched when  clearly +156 was the line available.

yet the software matched +150 what I entered.  so best odds was not given.  I copied and pasted it right here.


However,
are you saying on GRADING if its a WIn somehow the +150 will not be honored and the software in the background knows to grade at +156?



are you saying this confirmed wager MAtched will be graded if it wins at +156?

Cincinnati Reds (L. Castillo) @ New York Yankees (J. Montgomery)
Game. Pitcher must start.
Source: http://www.pinnacle.com/en/help/betting-rules
Closing date: 0 minutes
Resolution date : July 26, 2017, 1:06 a.m. (9 minutes ago)
Commission : 0%
Total predictions: 4
Total placed: 432.40 mBTC

Cincinnati Reds (L. Castillo) ...   +150.0   Cincinnati Reds   Yes   2.00   5 hours, 11 minutes   0 minutes


check closely because trust me fro what shows as pending and matched you are not correct the player does not get what you describe

but its great to know you are hear listening and improving the product.  this is just FYI info for you.

you have a neat product here and you will continue to get more and more interest due to the forums and the fair exchange .  keep it up

[nrd525]

I think you mean a price of 1000 USD/BTC (and 400 BTC/USD later on in this FAQ).

>>User Alice wants to sell 5 mBTC at a price of 1000 BTC/USD on an BTC/USD inverse CFD market (in theory Alice now owns 5 USD and 0 mBTC).

https://fairlay.com/faq/#27

[FairlaySupport]

are you saying this confirmed wager MAtched will be graded if it wins at +156?

Yes. Please check your statement, you will receive winnings of 3.12mBTC for that bet.

[trytrytryx3]

are you saying this confirmed wager MAtched will be graded if it wins at +156?

Yes. Please check your statement, you will receive winnings of 3.12mBTC for that bet.

I will test again and share here.  I did not realize that.  Of course the tiny practice wager in question yesterday lost so its just the normal -2.0 mBTC

Ill post one today, show the steady market price.   Pu tin something much lower, it will match and show that lower price then when it settles (hope it wins so we can get closure on this!) we can see the resolved price.

Thanks for all this feedback

[trytrytryx3]

OK lets do the FIRSt MLB money line game listed.  Current prices on the fairlay exchange are, steady no changes in the last 15 mintues

so any customer could grab Baltimore at +117!

I will put in even +100 just to get a quick match for 2.0 BTC.  obvioulsy if you like EVEN  a customer would take the  +117 offered

Baltimore Orioles (U. Jimenez) @ Tampa Bay Rays...
Game. Pitcher must start.

Baltimore Orioles   
-
+117.0
4,512
+127.0
4,512

[trytrytryx3]

OK Placed PRediction and of course it was matched in full

Baltimore Orioles (U. Jimenez) @ Tampa Bay Rays (A. Cobb)
Game. Pitcher must start.
Source: http://www.pinnacle.com/en/help/betting-rules
Closing date: 2 hours, 56 minutes
Resolution date : July 26, 2017, 6:10 p.m. (4 hours from now)
Commission : 0%
Fully matched!
Your prediction is already fully matched! (2.00 mBTC matched)



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my Matched wager shows this

Baltimore Orioles (U. Jimenez)...   +100.0   Baltimore Orioles   Yes   2.00   2 minutes   4 hours, 53 minutes

but as FAIRLAY states if you look back at the game you wagered and the profit loss tiny number they show in green and red.

it does show 2.34 mB if win in green  and -2.00 mb in red on a loss. so the system knows !!!


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very sorry I was confused all this time on that.

good info shared!  I will confirm once more if it wins and the statement shows of course the +2.34!

[nrd525]

I'm confused by the futures/CFD.  I'm shorting Ethereum.  How can my current position of -0.50 mBTC lead to a current exposure of 60.5 (presumably mBTC) and a maximum profit of 34.46 (presumably mBTC)?

I haven't used CFD before.  But I'm perplexed about how small my position is in terms of mBTC.  

Ah ha. It looks like my position is -0.5 contracts.  Not mBTC. So I'm shorting 0.5 Ether.  Now you should FIX this UI bug!  Thanks.

[FairlaySupport]

I'm confused by the futures/CFD.  I'm shorting Ethereum.  How can my current position of -0.50 mBTC lead to a current exposure of 60.5 (presumably mBTC) and a maximum profit of 34.46 (presumably mBTC)?

I haven't used CFD before.  But I'm perplexed about how small my position is in terms of mBTC.  

Ah ha. It looks like my position is -0.5 contracts.  Not mBTC. So I'm shorting 0.5 Ether.  Now you should FIX this UI bug!  Thanks.

Sorry for that. We will do that.

[trytrytryx3]

Ok this little trial wager yesterday to check on fair lay exchange payouts lost again!  so we still dont 100% confirm.  Ill do another today

3rd MLb game listed is this one  Tampa Bay is an underdog. price stable at  +108 past 30 minutes.  I will enter a min  bet  at +100 which will be matched at +100 even  (ie worse than the offered +108). 

Tampa Bay Rays (C. Archer) @ New York Yankees (...
Game. Pitcher must start.

Tampa Bay Rays   
-
+108.0
4,676
+117.0
4,676
-
0.00   
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Tampa Bay Rays (C. Archer) @ New York Yankees (C. Sabathia)
Game. Pitcher must start.
Outcome:

Odds:

Amount:

Bet type:

Tampa Bay Rays On

+100.0

2.00 mBTC

Normal

+100 bet my me made on Tampa Bay and obvioulsy matched

Fully matched!
Your prediction is already fully matched! (2.00 mBTC matched)

shows this in my Matched wagers a 2mBTc at +100 (which is confusing but not accurate according to Fairlay which is good!)


Event   Odds/Price   Outcome   Type   Matched (mBTC)   Last Match ▼   Resolution
Tampa Bay Rays (C. Archer) @ N...   +100.0   Tampa Bay Rays   Yes   2.00   0 minutes   11 hours, 15 minutes

fairlay says dont worry its +108 matched in the system, you as customer always get the best exchange price

(on that MLB game page it does in fact show a win would be +2.16 in green and also of course -2.0 mBtc in red  so it all look good.)

LEts get a Tampa  win and an official grade to confirm!  go tampa!


thanks fairlay

[thegreen]

what happened to horses UK they all disappeared the offerings?

[trytrytryx3]

seems past 15 minutes or so horse racing is off the board there at Fairlay

[trytrytryx3]

https://fairlay.com/market/bitcoin-price-on-august-15-3/

Fairlay  is there any way for a customer to ENTER in a  ON or Against price if there is a Blank (as in no offers listed on an event?)

for example take this NEWS wager you have up

Bitcoin price on August 15
This market resolves to the Bitcoin price in USD according to the Coindesk Priceindex on 15.08.2017. If www.coindesk.com/price/ should be unavailable or obiously manipulated another trusted source will be used. The sum of all prices of all hardforks of Bitcoin are considered, that were initiated after the market creation.
Closing in: 17 days and 08:45:09
Resolution date : Aug. 15, 2017, midnight (2 weeks, 4 days from now)
Unmatched : 203.94 mBTC
Commission : 2%

right now there is not offer price For or against on the choice of Above 2700 - 2800  its blank

there does not seem to be a way for a customer to set a price (Normal offer) on that.  how do you do that?

If its populated with something you can click on it and then set a new price.  but if empty how do you as a cusotmer set up offers for or against?

thanks!


Place your prediction
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On
Against
Outcome
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+165.0
20
+196.4
18
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0.00
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-   -   
+843.0
5
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0.00
Above 2500 to 2600
-   -   
+842.1
5
-   -   -   mɃ
0.00
Above 2600 to 2700
-   -   -   -   -   -   mɃ
0.00
Above 2700 to 2800
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+141.4
22
+167.1
20
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0.00
Above 2800

[thegreen]

what happened to horses UK they all disappeared the offerings?

back up now.. opps spoke to soon

[arpandev1823]

As I have purchased API , I am trying to send bet using fairlay sample client API (C# language) , I am using changeOrders function and getting error "XError:Wrong Signature" .

Recently , I have used following details and called function named "changeOrders" :

I am confused in Amount and Price so i have make same value = 2 for both.

API ID = My API ID

MarketID = 112543146565
RunnerID = 1
OrderId = -1
Amount = 2
Price = 2
Sub = "Edward Corrie vs. Dominik Koepfer"
Type = UnmatchedOrder.Type.MAKERTAKER
Boa = 1
Mct = 0

Is the API not working for C# language ?
Can anyone help me ?

[trytrytryx3]

matchbook is down that is where they get the  exchange prices (with added VIG) for populating all horse racing exchange lines.  so thats why its down at FAIRLAY now.

[trytrytryx3]

arpandev1823  what does that mean exactly you purchased API  in simple terms what does that do for you and how does that help your fiarlay experience???

simple terms not a C++ type of guy!

[arpandev1823]

I want to make a call via fairlay api to bet.
Can Anyone give me working C# code to send match for any of current match ?

[trytrytryx3]

I want to make a call via fairlay api to bet.
Can Anyone give me working C# code to send match for any of current match ?

I have little idea what that means.

cant you log in and make a match like others?

what is API how does it help you, it is automatic, are you a market maker? faster?  more secure?