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[FairlaySupport]

Have you properly contacted the support with proof of your balance. Most of the times it might be some misunderstanding between the site and the user.

Of course I have contacted them xx - times, finally accepted to be verified with kyc procedure (sending my id+utility bill) iven if they have no license so don't have legal instruments to ask for them... and they still denied to pay because "I have sent documents too late". They don't reply to my e-mails.
Thanks for the post.

Replying too late is not an excuse to confiscate thousands of $, they hold them and the admin should reply to this to clear any misconception.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg22050784#msg22050784

There is strong evidence that the user  has committed identity theft, money laundering and document forging.   We will no longer comment on the case or change our position as the user has lied and abused our support too many times.

[betg]

Stop telling those slanders! massive abuse (of what?? only "mixing" or "surebetting" can be involved but it's way along from massive abuse) ID thieft is lie (proofs?! can't see the reason for doing it if I decide to verify! ) if you think that there's any money laundering which is another lie just sentback money to the account from which it has been deposited, saying money laundering then taking these money to the pocket... how can You call it then? and yes You said I have failed to verify because I have replied too late (here on forum You can find your post).
Edit: so I just didn't make camera movie to send You which is abstraction... what if I'll do... what will be next excuse? I don't get it man! You have Your own point about laundering and You won't send the payout iven to the account which they come from and stealing these money from me is right?

[covfefe_]

Have you properly contacted the support with proof of your balance. Most of the times it might be some misunderstanding between the site and the user.

Of course I have contacted them xx - times, finally accepted to be verified with kyc procedure (sending my id+utility bill) iven if they have no license so don't have legal instruments to ask for them... and they still denied to pay because "I have sent documents too late". They don't reply to my e-mails.
Thanks for the post.

Replying too late is not an excuse to confiscate thousands of $, they hold them and the admin should reply to this to clear any misconception.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=673475.msg22050784#msg22050784

There is strong evidence that the user  has committed identity theft, money laundering and document forging.   We will no longer comment on the case or change our position as the user has lied and abused our support too many times.

Has the user placed bets or not?
It's not the responsibility of a casino to suspect people for their income. Police and authorities does that.
If he have deposited and placed bets to win some amounts, there is no way you should block the amount unless asked by authority.
People are turning to bitcoin for anonymity. You should rather operate a fiat casino.

[Fixelifix]

Asking for ID and utility BILL? Whats the point really? You are working underground, no license at all. To demend id and utlility bill is just that you want to keep the money.

[dadrdalk]

What might have happened is that they have been noticed by the authorities, so they decided to go full corporate, with casino practices and money management. But they are not boasting with ridiculous third world gambling license yet, that I can see.

The terms and conditions seem to confirm this:

If Fairlay LLC suspects any user to be involved in any of the outlined forbidden activities, it may suspend that user's account and withdrawals until the identity and residency of the user is established.

So basically, we have your money and can take it away if you give us pretext. Gambling industry standard.

[Dutchyyy]

Asking for ID and utility BILL? Whats the point really? You are working underground, no license at all. To demend id and utlility bill is just that you want to keep the money.

@fairlay, do you start a regular KYC?! Should I be worried and looking for another bookie?
The point of bitcoin gambling is to avoid bulls*ts like KYC and documents.

[thegreen]

Asking for ID and utility BILL? Whats the point really? You are working underground, no license at all. To demend id and utlility bill is just that you want to keep the money.

@fairlay, do you start a regular KYC?! Should I be worried and looking for another bookie?
The point of bitcoin gambling is to avoid bulls*ts like KYC and documents.

I’ve done thousands of matched wagers and hundreds of withdrawals...never a issue..just like any regular or BTC book if you violate rules or have fraudulent activity you are subject to KYC or other request..just because it’s btc doesn’t mean it’s the Wild West..other btc books including Nitrogen do the same to protect from fraud....as long as you are not violating rules or using as a mixer you are fine

[FairlaySupport]

Asking for ID and utility BILL? Whats the point really? You are working underground, no license at all. To demend id and utlility bill is just that you want to keep the money.

@fairlay, do you start a regular KYC?! Should I be worried and looking for another bookie?
The point of bitcoin gambling is to avoid bulls*ts like KYC and documents.

No.  We hope we don't have to do it anytime soon and that criminals / fraudsters stay away after this case is now public.

[FairlaySupport]

We are currently having problems and are exploring the issue.

[BitBitBet]

Can someone explain why the "odds against" have a "+" figure but then when you click it, it switches to "-" ?

https://i.imgur.com/8t8EUbN.png

Also, is the number directly underneath the line the amount of mbtc available for betting?

[junoreactor]

Can someone explain why the "odds against" have a "+" figure but then when you click it, it switches to "-" ?



Also, is the number directly underneath the line the amount of mbtc available for betting?

Hi. That is because you bet "against".
I am not used to american odds, but basically, if you bet against an event, it means you are the "bookmaker" (the house), so this is the opposite of a normal bet you place at bet365 or 5dimes for instance.

As explained earlier:
Back (for) at odds of +200 is the equivalent of Lay (against) at -200.

When you place a bet "against", Fairlay convert the odds to the equivalent of a back bet.

[junoreactor]

Be very careful, when you want to bet on a selection to win, always click on BACK (the green box), never on the pink box.

[BitBitBet]

https://i.imgur.com/8t8EUbN.png

So in this screenshot, am I betting NC State +5 at -171 odds?

[thegreen]

https://i.imgur.com/8t8EUbN.png

So in this screenshot, am I betting NC State +5 at -171 odds?

Yes But the line has changed its -118.0 + 5 NC State

https://old.fairlay.com/market/louisville-nc-state-1/

[BitBitBet]

https://i.imgur.com/8t8EUbN.png

So in this screenshot, am I betting NC State +5 at -171 odds?

Yes But the line has changed its -118.0 + 5 NC State

https://old.fairlay.com/market/louisville-nc-state-1/

So the fact that I click "+171 bet against" and in the input box I get "-171" you'd call that a bug?  Or is that logical somehow?

[junoreactor]

So in this screenshot, am I betting NC State +5 at -171 odds?

Yes that is correct, you are betting on the other team (NC State) with a handicap of +5 at -171. 

[thegreen]

https://i.imgur.com/8t8EUbN.png

So in this screenshot, am I betting NC State +5 at -171 odds?

Yes But the line has changed its -118.0 + 5 NC State

https://old.fairlay.com/market/louisville-nc-state-1/

So the fact that I click "+171 bet against" and in the input box I get "-171" you'd call that a bug?  Or is that logical somehow?

https://fairlay.com/market/louisville-nc-state-1/
It’s -118....don’t go by number you see click on it that’s the correct line

[erol34]

Hi fairlay, Question how long will the https://old.fairlay.com/ be available for? and are we safe using that for now? Will it work just like it has in past?   ty

So far, so good.  The old site is not great, but perfectly usable as long as you are not in a hurry.  The new site...looks like a high school coding project to be honest.  I used to tell people, "it's takes a bit to get used to, but the interface is fine."  I just cannot say that with a straight face anymore.  I would scrap it and start from scratch.  Why not make it as easy to use as Matchbook?  If you display +120, and the user clicks on +120, he should be getting +120 odds, not -120...    The whole "ON" vs. "AGAINST" set-up is extremely counter-intuitive and unnecessary/redundant for sports wagering.

[junoreactor]

Hi fairlay, Question how long will the https://old.fairlay.com/ be available for? and are we safe using that for now? Will it work just like it has in past?   ty

So far, so good.  The old site is not great, but perfectly usable as long as you are not in a hurry.  The new site...looks like a high school coding project to be honest.  I used to tell people, "it's takes a bit to get used to, but the interface is fine."  I just cannot say that with a straight face anymore.  I would scrap it and start from scratch.  Why not make it as easy to use as Matchbook?  If you display +120, and the user clicks on +120, he should be getting +120 odds, not -120...    The whole "ON" vs. "AGAINST" set-up is extremely counter-intuitive and unnecessary/redundant for sports wagering.

I think that's because many beginners don't understand Back/Lay, and rather see the equivalent of a back bet when they place the bet.

[FairlaySupport]

Hi fairlay, Question how long will the https://old.fairlay.com/ be available for? and are we safe using that for now? Will it work just like it has in past?   ty

So far, so good.  The old site is not great, but perfectly usable as long as you are not in a hurry.  The new site...looks like a high school coding project to be honest.  I used to tell people, "it's takes a bit to get used to, but the interface is fine."  I just cannot say that with a straight face anymore.  I would scrap it and start from scratch.  Why not make it as easy to use as Matchbook?  If you display +120, and the user clicks on +120, he should be getting +120 odds, not -120...    The whole "ON" vs. "AGAINST" set-up is extremely counter-intuitive and unnecessary/redundant for sports wagering.

We will follow matchbook and add an option to switch from exchange view to bookmaker view.    Is there anything else in particular that needs to be improved?