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[Crypt0Keeper]

A friend and I have a card at our disposal.  It is an MSI R4870.  We aren't technical people at all with regards to mining; never dunnit before

We don't know what coin it would be best-suited to mine, and we don't know how to configure it.

Bitcoinasourus, is it possible for us to mail it somewhere, have you or someone else put it to work, and send some fair amount of the resulting SILK to our wallets?  We know it won't be much, and that's okay.
How many SILK would this card produce per day, on average, if configured to mine the coin it is best suited for?

Would you be interested in something like the following arrangement?:

We send you the card
You configure it to mine whatever coin is appropriate in this pool
You keep however much of the SILK it produces that you think is fair for yourself and send the rest to us
We trust that you have reasonable/fair judgment as far as how much you keep to offset energy/time. 

Thanks.  We want to help support this but only have one card and no idea how to use it
Peace,

I currently have an empty rig setup that can support up to four cards.  I may be interested in running a "SILK Harvesting Service" for those of you with spare video cards.  I'll let you know.  After my move, priority #1 will be the reddit tipbot.

[1714974556]

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[Crypt0Keeper]

Polls and Voting in the Silkcoin version v1.1.0.20

It's so awesome to see vote.silkcoin take the lead!  I just think "poll" is so boring.  "Vote!" has power!

[Raistilin]

Thanks ttoroie.
My signature comes from the XXIV Canto of Dante's Inferno (Divina Commedia). That's my leading principle in life.

Anyway...

About the vote system: the platform is great but the voting system based on money capacity is idiotic from my point of view.
This means rich people wins. It's like recreating lobbies.
For me it doesn't work.
I would say one vote per address but then we have the same problem since one can create infinite addresses.

That's the main problem of the poll so far. Does this make sense?

I think this has been discussed previously but maybe it would be good to clarify where the proceeds of the voting "fee" goes. I.E for this vote currently happening do the proceeds of the vote go into a bigger pool to pay development bounties? Who controls the fund? does it just go straight to developers?


acquafredda there really is no way to control voting so the silk community would have to decide which is the best way to go.

1 vote per address (but you can create infinite addresses)
pay per vote (could be a means to raise funds for further development but means that the silk rich list gets what they want) need to decide how funds are used.
1 vote per address weighted by funds with some minimum age (prevents infinite addresses from voting, encourages some staking, somewhat limits influence from rich list, doesn't fund anything)

may be other options but these are really the only options i see.

[arteleis]

Thanks ttoroie.
My signature comes from the XXIV Canto of Dante's Inferno (Divina Commedia). That's my leading principle in life.

Anyway...

About the vote system: the platform is great but the voting system based on money capacity is idiotic from my point of view.
This means rich people wins. It's like recreating lobbies.
For me it doesn't work.
I would say one vote per address but then we have the same problem since one can create infinite addresses.

That's the main problem of the poll so far. Does this make sense?

  Understood.   But the purpose of the poll is to redefine donations.  And yes recreating lobbying.  The benefit being support of development.   More votes.  More silk for Dev.  

Others launch coins with icos or ipos where the investor has absolutely no say in what goes into the coin.  This will be integrative investing where the investor donates to the area of interest.  

   Aka lobbying..  and the House of Silk.  Idiotic? Well no.  Idiotic would be someone who has 0 vested interest in silk guiding it's path of development.

[arteleis]

And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

[acquafredda]

And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk

[arteleis]

It's all good.  Lol I've been on both sides of this argument twice now.
  The decision was made for council (team of dev, marketing, accounting etc etc) to produce voting assets non - destructive to the coin.
For instance - R&D 1. Anon tech 2. Marketplace 3. News application 4. Gaming application

  The assets decided on would be from public interest and then voted into a poll internally by the council.   These assets could also include voting out a council member by public interest.

   I believe council will consist of 12 seats with a dual for each seat in case of incident or unavailability to perform said duties.

  Council will also be setup as an autonomous unit with no figure head or leader, but each member responsible for the appointed department and ensuring it's success.

   The polls will add fuel to the machine, in a non destructive manner.  A hybrid donation system if you will.  Where your donation goes towards the immediate future of development.  It is not to say the choice you choose will not be developed... it would just not be developed first.

     The problem with the other way..  is we would have to log everyone's ips. . Have 2 fa setup to cell phones or emails... full login system... it seems idealistic ally non crypto.  

   And for the record that was the first system I had voted to implement. But in retrospect and by majority this way is perhaps better.  It is tough to make a voting system to make a voting system.

 
  

[arteleis]

Oh and about the biggest bags.. The comm has the biggest bags.  Not just the devs.  (-;

   We will be a  very hard family to bring down...

[Jacqul]

And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk

The way I have always hoped that voting would work is where the process of voting actually raises the funds for the development that is being voted on and people invested in the idea get to pick which one gets funded in the end. The reason for voting in this ecosystem is to direct development. The funds raised goes towards the winning idea. The people who are most invested gets to make the decision about which one wins.
We have to build this ecosystem in a way that it builds and protects itself.

Here is one explanation of the idea:

Say I have 10 000 SC.
Now I can choose to set a goal.
For the example, my set goal is "Reward developer to create an alternative wallet interface that has a pink background."
I choose how much I want to invest in the goal.
I decide it is important to me to have a pink background so I pick 100%.
You decide a timeframe, in this case I expect the development will take 6 months so that is what I choose.
Now I have a "staking goal". In essence the idea itself is staking.

The goal now appears in a different "goal" tab similar to NxtAE.
For the next 6 months all the SC I earn from staking(100%) goes into an account linked to this goal.
Other people look at the "goal" I posted and some think that it is a great idea.
Bob for example wants to support it and get a vote on the result and who gets to program it, but he is also interested in other things so he just sets his participation at 50%, now 50% of all SC he earns from staking for the next 6 months goes to this "goal" account.  

In the mean time 3 developers see that people are invested in this and quite a few SC is rolling in.
All SC raised is coming from staking, but if quite a few people do this, it can accumulate quite quickly.
In the mean time a developer/coder looks at this idea and thinks "Hell this will be simple to do." The developer starts coding and sends 1 SC to the account and logs as a potential winner of the project.
Now in the tab you can see:
1. the goal description
2. how many people have invested and how much %
3. how much SC is invested and how much is projected to accumulate at 6m
4. which devs have signed up to try reach this goal

At the end of the 6 months there might be 1000 SC in the account.
About 20 of those SC is interest that I diverted from my staking (100%).
Now close to the end of the period I look at the products developed by the different devs.
I like option A by Dev named pinkismyfavorite, the most and vote for her.
Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start.


The aim is to create a feedback system that will direct the energies of developers and stimulate continuous growth. Anyone can volunteer an idea. Anyone can code a solution and the ecosystem keeps growing in the direction decided by the community.

Open source, community directed, decentralized development.
The cream rises to the top.

[yell4george]

And we get to stay on Mintpal
http://blog.moolah.io/2014/09/17/mintpal-plans-for-v2-migration/

[anarchyx]

And we get to stay on Mintpal
http://blog.moolah.io/2014/09/17/mintpal-plans-for-v2-migration/

well that's good news. More the merrier, although I prefer bittrex.

[nzminer]

And we get to stay on Mintpal
http://blog.moolah.io/2014/09/17/mintpal-plans-for-v2-migration/

well that's good news. More the merrier, although I prefer bittrex.

Yeah, thats good news, i prefer bittrex too, but its good to see us on so many exchanges, not that im a big fan of mintpal.

[yell4george]

And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk

The way I have always hoped that voting would work is where the process of voting actually raises the funds for the development that is being voted on and people invested in the idea get to pick which one gets funded in the end. The reason for voting in this ecosystem is to direct development. The funds raised goes towards the winning idea. The people who are most invested gets to make the decision about which one wins.
We have to build this ecosystem in a way that it builds and protects itself.

Here is one explanation of the idea:

Say I have 10 000 SC.
Now I can choose to set a goal.
For the example, my set goal is "Reward developer to create an alternative wallet interface that has a pink background."
I choose how much I want to invest in the goal.
I decide it is important to me to have a pink background so I pick 100%.
You decide a timeframe, in this case I expect the development will take 6 months so that is what I choose.
Now I have a "staking goal". In essence the idea itself is staking.

The goal now appears in a different "goal" tab similar to NxtAE.
For the next 6 months all the SC I earn from staking(100%) goes into an account linked to this goal.
Other people look at the "goal" I posted and some think that it is a great idea.
Bob for example wants to support it and get a vote on the result and who gets to program it, but he is also interested in other things so he just sets his participation at 50%, now 50% of all SC he earns from staking for the next 6 months goes to this "goal" account.  

In the mean time 3 developers see that people are invested in this and quite a few SC is rolling in.
All SC raised is coming from staking, but if quite a few people do this, it can accumulate quite quickly.
In the mean time a developer/coder looks at this idea and thinks "Hell this will be simple to do." The developer starts coding and sends 1 SC to the account and logs as a potential winner of the project.
Now in the tab you can see:
1. the goal description
2. how many people have invested and how much %
3. how much SC is invested and how much is projected to accumulate at 6m
4. which devs have signed up to try reach this goal

At the end of the 6 months there might be 1000 SC in the account.
About 20 of those SC is interest that I diverted from my staking (100%).
Now close to the end of the period I look at the products developed by the different devs.
I like option A by Dev named pinkismyfavorite, the most and vote for her.
Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start.


The aim is to create a feedback system that will direct the energies of developers and stimulate continuous growth. Anyone can volunteer an idea. Anyone can code a solution and the ecosystem keeps growing in the direction decided by the community.

Open source, community directed, decentralized development.
The cream rises to the top.

I agree, I don't like the idea of lobbies and "silk council" leaders. Let the system grow and govern itself. Jacqul has a grand idea. We should take time to think about how to implement something like this. A council maybe needed to make decisions in the interim, but "open source, community directed, decentralized development" should be the goal.

Jacqul, can you list the steps of your proposed process? We need a flow chart! haha

I've interpreted it as follows:
1) Bob has an idea to better the community/ecosystem
2) Bob lists his idea and donates money to make it happen
3) Other people see his idea and like it so they donate some money
4) All of these donations are staking in a wallet
5) Someone completes the requested task
6) The person or group of people that deliver the best product wins the bounty

This is kind of like the system that exists. Silkcoin has over 100K silk offered in bounties but not even half of it has been claimed. Will a system like the one you propose get people more involved? I hope so. Maybe it will bring everything to life. People could see the votes/donations/silk coming in. They could see new ideas rise to the top, develop, and pay out. That's what people move to. The money.

Can you clarify this, "Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start."

[Bitcoinasourus]

Thanks ttoroie.
My signature comes from the XXIV Canto of Dante's Inferno (Divina Commedia). That's my leading principle in life.

Anyway...

About the vote system: the platform is great but the voting system based on money capacity is idiotic from my point of view.
This means rich people wins. It's like recreating lobbies.
For me it doesn't work.
I would say one vote per address but then we have the same problem since one can create infinite addresses.

That's the main problem of the poll so far. Does this make sense?

How is it any different than crowd funding.. It's not like the rich list is going to conspire to build in features to keep the smaller holders small. If the idea doesn't gain traction it doesn't get funded and doesn't get dev work. It's a simple idea.
How else to fund development? IPO on coins that are already minted? You need to think within the parameters we are working with.

And if that is the case we have the silk council. Which will only approve improvements that further the coin.

Your scenario only works if the dev team isn't transparent. Which isn't the case here.

The idea of this takeover was to be community driven. Community funding of dev projects gives the power to the people, how ever you see it.

[arteleis]

And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk

The way I have always hoped that voting would work is where the process of voting actually raises the funds for the development that is being voted on and people invested in the idea get to pick which one gets funded in the end. The reason for voting in this ecosystem is to direct development. The funds raised goes towards the winning idea. The people who are most invested gets to make the decision about which one wins.
We have to build this ecosystem in a way that it builds and protects itself.

Here is one explanation of the idea:

Say I have 10 000 SC.
Now I can choose to set a goal.
For the example, my set goal is "Reward developer to create an alternative wallet interface that has a pink background."
I choose how much I want to invest in the goal.
I decide it is important to me to have a pink background so I pick 100%.
You decide a timeframe, in this case I expect the development will take 6 months so that is what I choose.
Now I have a "staking goal". In essence the idea itself is staking.

The goal now appears in a different "goal" tab similar to NxtAE.
For the next 6 months all the SC I earn from staking(100%) goes into an account linked to this goal.
Other people look at the "goal" I posted and some think that it is a great idea.
Bob for example wants to support it and get a vote on the result and who gets to program it, but he is also interested in other things so he just sets his participation at 50%, now 50% of all SC he earns from staking for the next 6 months goes to this "goal" account.  

In the mean time 3 developers see that people are invested in this and quite a few SC is rolling in.
All SC raised is coming from staking, but if quite a few people do this, it can accumulate quite quickly.
In the mean time a developer/coder looks at this idea and thinks "Hell this will be simple to do." The developer starts coding and sends 1 SC to the account and logs as a potential winner of the project.
Now in the tab you can see:
1. the goal description
2. how many people have invested and how much %
3. how much SC is invested and how much is projected to accumulate at 6m
4. which devs have signed up to try reach this goal

At the end of the 6 months there might be 1000 SC in the account.
About 20 of those SC is interest that I diverted from my staking (100%).
Now close to the end of the period I look at the products developed by the different devs.
I like option A by Dev named pinkismyfavorite, the most and vote for her.
Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start.


The aim is to create a feedback system that will direct the energies of developers and stimulate continuous growth. Anyone can volunteer an idea. Anyone can code a solution and the ecosystem keeps growing in the direction decided by the community.

Open source, community directed, decentralized development.
The cream rises to the top.

I agree, I don't like the idea of lobbies and "silk council" leaders. Let the system grow and govern itself. Jacqul has a grand idea. We should take time to think about how to implement something like this. A council maybe needed to make decisions in the interim, but "open source, community directed, decentralized development" should be the goal.

Jacqul, can you list the steps of your proposed process? We need a flow chart! haha

I've interpreted it as follows:
1) Bob has an idea to better the community/ecosystem
2) Bob lists his idea and donates money to make it happen
3) Other people see his idea and like it so they donate some money
4) All of these donations are staking in a wallet
5) Someone completes the requested task
6) The person or group of people that deliver the best product wins the bounty

This is kind of like the system that exists. Silkcoin has over 100K silk offered in bounties but not even half of it has been claimed. Will a system like the one you propose get people more involved? I hope so. Maybe it will bring everything to life. People could see the votes/donations/silk coming in. They could see new ideas rise to the top, develop, and pay out. That's what people move to. The money.

Can you clarify this, "Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start."

Yes Jacqul this is also part of the plan as you've discussed before.  It is perhaps the most ideal.
   But at this point is beyond the availability of coding in the qt and codebase.  We would likely have to move beyond the qt platform and blackcoin codebase and develop from the nxt platform to make this achievable.

  If anyone knows some incredible java developers I would be interested to hear from them.

 Btw.  Council will be self-nomination to start, and will be happy to hear anyone's nomination and place them in the according seat to their expertise.

  This of course can be voted on if there is more then one person per seat that would like to take charge.

  To clarify these are not leadership positions. - they are positions that would be dualed and have been outlined in the roadmap you've seen on trello.  There is no supreme leader.. or aristocrat who waves the bloodied wand..
  There would be those who function and provide information to the public.. all information.. in a system that may define the system of transparency of alts.

  But is a mere outline.  - I don't want anyone to think this is a heirarchy, it is a proposed establishment to fill the void of an automatic system that cannot be built on the current codebase.. to my knowledge.  There will no be leaders or bosses.. there will be duty and public responsibility.
 
  I could believe that there will not be enough self-nominees or nominees to fill all the chairs that are necessary. 

  Let me get this correct for everyone.  I DO want the code to run everything autonomously.  But at this point.  It is not achievable.  We have no funds other then what we are all holding.. We have very good devs.. but not enough.. We need to raise Silk in order to continue. 

 The idea is absolutely fantastic to have everyone provide a portion of their stake and contribute to the autonomous machine that would provide ultimate freedom of creation by the user... it is possible.. but we are months away from perhaps developing our own codebase.. or following in another codebase.. to provide the platform to achieve the dreams, that YES I agree with Jacqul.  I want This system to live on forever.  TO have no leader that can take it the ground..
 
  So in the meantime.. Before someone decides to handover a minimum of  100-150 grand for the most pro dev in the world's years work and masterpiece.. we are functioning on a hybrid donation system.  Which gives all silk investors the opportunity to become involved.  And even run for council if they feel their skills could help.  And be voted in.. if there is more then one person to vote for.


   You've assumed we have the leaders... and we are all rubbing are grubby hands together... we are leaderless.. we are all equal... this proposed system is meant to be nothing to change that.. in anyway.  It is a system to begin to build.  As if Jacqul's idea is the pyramid.. We are the egyptians hauling the stones and building the wagons.  We are the camels pulling the wagons... cuz we aint just whipped slaves..

 We are Silkcoin and We are Family.  We all know it.

 Please step up and take your position.  Join the hangouts.  Find the side chats.. Build.  Build.  We are all already.  The more the merrier.  This is not a closed organization in anyway.. If we are to build and code the machine that takes humanity to the next level of ultimate creativity and freedom.. More minds are needed not just to speculate.  But to become involved and build.

  Build Build Build. 

  And one day. Our work will live on forever.  As consciousness always does outlast the flesh. The code will too.  We are only so many.  We can be ALL.

 We will keep working.  Financially One cannot do all himself.  And volunteered efforts can only be extended so far.  So we have built this system. To help further.

 Please contribute.

 Stand back and watch.  Bicker. Argue.  And Vote.  Paid with Silk.  Until the time Silk becomes autonomous.  And it Will. 
   
   I promise you.

  "I" am not building this council.  We are.  So step up.  Post your names.  We've started a trello with approx 12 names... half way there on self nominations only.

  This world aint seen fuckin nothing yet outta Silkcoin.  We aint even got the Silkweaver running yet....

 

 

[arteleis]

And also in saying that, the voting assets will be decided by silk council, which is currently in formation to provide full public transparency of all funds paid for development.
    The assets will be chosen by council based on public opinion.
   There is much work to do still. (-;

I understand you but basically we're just recreating what we see not to work in the real world. By giving vote per silkcoin capacity we're giving the minority the right to lead the vote.

I don't know. I think this is a really important point. Maybe I'm too idealistic because I believe in the disruptive power of BTC and cryptocurrencies.
We have something valuable in our hand and continuing the old order will not help us in my opinion.

I repeat that's really hard to find a suitable and innovative solution given these conditions.

Example:
One's an anarchyst: there will be election. He has choices (X party, B party, F party and so on) but he doesn't feel represented because he believes in anarchy. What is he going to do? He will not vote beacuse he sees that no matter of his choice he's gonna lose anyway.

Silkcoin related example:
Please don't misunderstand me, now we're voting on a website name. But one day we might vote for something more relevant. And yes of course now we're testing the platform.
If we take the previous example I made and I know that there's a quite long rich list I might not going to vote since my voting "power" is so little compared to that minority.

Then it seems to me we're gonna have an aristocracy here. Which can be fine since I could trust the devs supposedly they have the biggest bags. But of that I can't be certain, we might have everything or everyone behind these addresses.

I don't know if you can see what I mean but, for the last time, recreating a lobbying system in here is not gonna work.

I do believe that cryptocurrency must evolve in a complete different way from things like banking system, democracy and so forth.

But, maybe, as I said I'm really too idealistic.

My 2 silk

The way I have always hoped that voting would work is where the process of voting actually raises the funds for the development that is being voted on and people invested in the idea get to pick which one gets funded in the end. The reason for voting in this ecosystem is to direct development. The funds raised goes towards the winning idea. The people who are most invested gets to make the decision about which one wins.
We have to build this ecosystem in a way that it builds and protects itself.

Here is one explanation of the idea:

Say I have 10 000 SC.
Now I can choose to set a goal.
For the example, my set goal is "Reward developer to create an alternative wallet interface that has a pink background."
I choose how much I want to invest in the goal.
I decide it is important to me to have a pink background so I pick 100%.
You decide a timeframe, in this case I expect the development will take 6 months so that is what I choose.
Now I have a "staking goal". In essence the idea itself is staking.

The goal now appears in a different "goal" tab similar to NxtAE.
For the next 6 months all the SC I earn from staking(100%) goes into an account linked to this goal.
Other people look at the "goal" I posted and some think that it is a great idea.
Bob for example wants to support it and get a vote on the result and who gets to program it, but he is also interested in other things so he just sets his participation at 50%, now 50% of all SC he earns from staking for the next 6 months goes to this "goal" account.  

In the mean time 3 developers see that people are invested in this and quite a few SC is rolling in.
All SC raised is coming from staking, but if quite a few people do this, it can accumulate quite quickly.
In the mean time a developer/coder looks at this idea and thinks "Hell this will be simple to do." The developer starts coding and sends 1 SC to the account and logs as a potential winner of the project.
Now in the tab you can see:
1. the goal description
2. how many people have invested and how much %
3. how much SC is invested and how much is projected to accumulate at 6m
4. which devs have signed up to try reach this goal

At the end of the 6 months there might be 1000 SC in the account.
About 20 of those SC is interest that I diverted from my staking (100%).
Now close to the end of the period I look at the products developed by the different devs.
I like option A by Dev named pinkismyfavorite, the most and vote for her.
Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start.


The aim is to create a feedback system that will direct the energies of developers and stimulate continuous growth. Anyone can volunteer an idea. Anyone can code a solution and the ecosystem keeps growing in the direction decided by the community.

Open source, community directed, decentralized development.
The cream rises to the top.

I agree, I don't like the idea of lobbies and "silk council" leaders. Let the system grow and govern itself. Jacqul has a grand idea. We should take time to think about how to implement something like this. A council maybe needed to make decisions in the interim, but "open source, community directed, decentralized development" should be the goal.

Jacqul, can you list the steps of your proposed process? We need a flow chart! haha

I've interpreted it as follows:
1) Bob has an idea to better the community/ecosystem
2) Bob lists his idea and donates money to make it happen
3) Other people see his idea and like it so they donate some money
4) All of these donations are staking in a wallet
5) Someone completes the requested task
6) The person or group of people that deliver the best product wins the bounty

This is kind of like the system that exists. Silkcoin has over 100K silk offered in bounties but not even half of it has been claimed. Will a system like the one you propose get people more involved? I hope so. Maybe it will bring everything to life. People could see the votes/donations/silk coming in. They could see new ideas rise to the top, develop, and pay out. That's what people move to. The money.

Can you clarify this, "Everyone casts their different votes and it gets weighed by the % of their staking weight and contribution that they chose at the start."

One other thing to clarify... while other coins are taking it in the ass from trolls.. going WHEN HOW WHATS goin ON??  We've been posting pictures of tits and ass and camels... and producing the same things everyone wants and begs for...
  In case no one has noticed.. we are flying reasonably under the radar on purpose..
   We do not bow down to timelines... We do not bow down to financial whores who just want to pump and dump and break.  We produce.  And will continue to produce.

 I would like to apologize to the pump groups that destroy coins.. we're building something of intrinsic value instead. - And well.. if someone decided to pump Silk.. um well the fuckin comm is bagholding most of it.. so it takes what 1 btc to double price? and 1 again?  I perhaps will have to delete this comment so that massive pump groups dont rape this coin again... lol or let them pump..  I'm not selling.  Only paying for devs.

  Jacqul means.  That in the wallet.  You would decide.  Okay. I'm going to provide x% of my staking weight for 6 months. I want it to produce.  "Shiny flowers in all corners of the client" - these suggestions and stake %s would be visible to others in their clients.  Who can add their own staking weight to support the idea, or say fuck 'shiny flowers' and say im providing y% of my staking weight - to have death heads in all corners.  Other users can review.  And decide if they wish to add their stake.

   It is an absolutely brilliant idea.  and believe me we've tried to figure it out.. in the midst of the hundreds of updates, code fixes, feature additions, conversations, arguments, and the rest...
   
  I would be more then happy to hear from another dev that believes he can make this possible with the current codebase. Because it would be amazing.  And I will pay gratuitously in Silk.
 
  I know people have a bad taste for foundations... and groups.. and cocksucking scoundrels that put on the face of innocence while lying and counting their hawaii vacation tickets... I will not succumb. And will personally ensure that other members of the council will not succumb to greed and lies and dishonor. We all will. 
 
  For every motherfucker that thinks he can dump his coins and make a shitload of money by pumping and whoring our camels and make fools of our comm.. they got another thing coming..

  But this does not mean.. the comm will not benefit.. and will not make money... lol  Im sorry Faith.  Is such a bullshit thing... But so real....

  Keep bumping the thread.  More arguments the better.  More discussions the better.  Quit tiptoeing around and say what yall mean.  Cuz we gonna use it in the voting addition to the client.

  Devs that understand what ive wrote.. or have the skills to help.  Send a note.  I got bags o silk a waiting.

  Yes I swear.  But I fucking swear in love.  Love yall.

 Keep blasting out the most intelligent forum in the entire industry.  Camels are fuckin smart.

   

 
 

[arteleis]

oh yah.. official release of new client.  should be tomorrow.

anyone in the comm already has it.  or at least the beta.

couple lil adjustments then we'll release..  woooooo

and the work continues.

Fuckin God Damn fiat corporate whores. 

Everyone wake up and smell the Crypto.  Please?

(in no relation to posts in this forum - just general anger for the direction cryptos have been taking - too many beautiful coders getting their pants ripped off and raped)

[arteleis]

https://www.hipchat.com/invite/168485/cfd0e56c0e7ca55a03fd3ab2d872467c

welcome everyone.. pussies put some pants on - come build with us

[nzminer]

well said arteleis! 

[arteleis]

Thanks ttoroie.
My signature comes from the XXIV Canto of Dante's Inferno (Divina Commedia). That's my leading principle in life.

Anyway...

About the vote system: the platform is great but the voting system based on money capacity is idiotic from my point of view.
This means rich people wins. It's like recreating lobbies.
For me it doesn't work.
I would say one vote per address but then we have the same problem since one can create infinite addresses.

That's the main problem of the poll so far. Does this make sense?

I think this has been discussed previously but maybe it would be good to clarify where the proceeds of the voting "fee" goes. I.E for this vote currently happening do the proceeds of the vote go into a bigger pool to pay development bounties? Who controls the fund? does it just go straight to developers?


acquafredda there really is no way to control voting so the silk community would have to decide which is the best way to go.

1 vote per address (but you can create infinite addresses)
pay per vote (could be a means to raise funds for further development but means that the silk rich list gets what they want) need to decide how funds are used.
1 vote per address weighted by funds with some minimum age (prevents infinite addresses from voting, encourages some staking, somewhat limits influence from rich list, doesn't fund anything)

may be other options but these are really the only options i see.

And sorry missed this reply.

  The idea is and is currently.. that the fees for voting go into a community escrow.. The council will vote on payments to devs (which only maybe 20% are coders) or to other means of developement including marketing, research, papers, etc etc - and each department of council will have specific escrows for that particular type of development.  For instance. Marketing poll  - Market titties, whitepaper, or drugs - everyone votes the direction.. but the silk fees for voting still go into the marketing escrow.  Ideally this would be a multisig account to give responsibility of payment.. and as every payment to any devs or crypto contractors happen,  will be listed on a public google sheet.. so that the entire world can see where all the community silk goes.

 If there is a disagreement.. say someone notices.. hey! fuck ! someone spent way too much money on titties.. then the system would need to be built to raise a proposal, or just have trusted associates/council members to take the public outcry seriously... Which anyone that has been involved in the new Silk knows is completely valid.  
  When the first voting system was being built we had a login system.. and tiered membership the same as bct.. so the more you vote.. the more you contribute the higher ranking you had..
  But unfortunately.. the only way to do this is by tracking ips, 2fa,. etc etc that is against crypto philosophy..
  
  Jacquls Idea.  Completes the system and fixes this issue. Again.  If someone know how to build.  I will pay handsomely in silk.

  I would prefer.. That anyone interested runs for council.  And we have a less then democratic vote.. lol based on silk contributions. aka lobbying aka democracy
  (and for all those idealists and anarchists... democracy never existed..  and does not today..  study the global banking systems.. the money lenders.. the great red dragon perhaps - idealism is pretty - realism is real)

  But as I mentioned.  I doubt that people ACTUALLY want responsiblity.  Most just whine on forums.  In some cases they give incredible ideas. As we see in the majority of the Silk forum. But to dedicate the consistent time and skill.  Many Well wishers.. many secret idea men.  Many creative geniuses.. But ya know... in this Game. The Coders are the Rockstars.. the Gods..  I aint a fuckin coder... but working on basic c++ and python.. I can now write a program to say when my digital turkey is done... lol
  
  Remember.. Every single one of you has contributed to the success of this coin that had its head cut off by greedy fucks.  Step up.  And join the council. The best bet we can have for this system.. that Teddy built.. nearly dying in the process.. in his spare time.. paid reasonably shitty...  is to use it..

  I know most investors and speculators dont understand what it means when it says.. 3467 ommisions - 1256 additions, and then lists 15 different things that most people cant understand... but understand that the devs working on this project - On SILK - have spend every waking moment - on top of full time jobs - on top of girlfriends and wives upset - sacrificing time with their family for 711 wages... to build this - because we all believe in it..
 
  Look in the tool bag.. See what is there..
  
  And we'll start fucking using those tools.

  Over and Out Friends and CountryMen