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July 19, 2014, 03:52:31 PM
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Hey just wondering; why do these coins that PROMISE 2.0 protocol have huge successful presales when the technology already exists?

XC is a fully functioning 2.0 blockchain that is custom coded; just as VIA 'says' it will be. There was no pre sale, no pre mine, no IPO.

Hell the developers for XC have even been releasing their own decentralized applications with the wallet.

They have 100% fully functioning anonymity transactions, they also just put fully encrypted messaging into the wallet as well.

They plan on allowing user implementation of applications as soon as they complete their encrypted phone call wallet.
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July 19, 2014, 03:53:45 PM
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Viacoin(VIA) is added to Bter.com 's market at

https://bter.com/trade/via_btc

Deposit and get 1% bonus at

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/VIA

Bter is the biggest Chinese altcoin exchange platform!

great!
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July 19, 2014, 03:53:58 PM
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There is not even a white paper about the blockchain 2 aka ClearingHouse. All we know about it is the 2 sentences mentioning in the first page introduction ... plus your assurance :-))  Do you realize the blockchain 2 is what Ethereum's exceptional dev team tries to accomplish? You can't seriously think this developer is in the league of Ethereum, his output on the subject certainly doesn't suggests that. Even Skycoin which has not even on the market has significantly more material on blockchain 2 than this dev.

only time will tell.  if you don't believe in this dev (and it sure sounds like you dont), then don't own VIA.  plenty of other coins out there.
So is that what all this is about,  more promises? I've been reading and wasn't able to find out the hype that twitter was promising.
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July 19, 2014, 03:55:21 PM
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Hey just wondering; why do these coins that PROMISE 2.0 protocol have huge successful presales when the technology already exists?

XC is a fully functioning 2.0 blockchain that is custom coded; just as VIA 'says' it will be. There was no pre sale, no pre mine, no IPO.

Hell the developers for XC have even been releasing their own decentralized applications with the wallet.

They have a 100% fully functioning anonymity transactions, they also just put fully encrypted messages into the wallet as well.

They plan on allowing user implementation of applications as soon as they complete their encrypted phone call wallet.

Does it have a gateway for clearing connected to banks via xch? Decrntralized marketplace a la counterparty? Read up newbie read up...
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July 19, 2014, 03:56:55 PM
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Viacoin(VIA) is added to Bter.com 's market at

https://bter.com/trade/via_btc

Deposit and get 1% bonus at

https://bter.com/myaccount/deposit/VIA

Bter is the biggest Chinese altcoin exchange platform!

great!

lunch time in China...  lets see what happens...

NEM, LSK, STRAT
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July 19, 2014, 03:57:00 PM
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I wonder if we break actual ATH this weekend.

That was HUGE one buy to 50k sato!

I saw it early morning, impressive imho :-)
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July 19, 2014, 03:58:55 PM
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any innovations?

oh, forgive me, this is the last time i post this:



The Story of Viacoin



If there is something I have learned over the years, it’s that innovation is incremental and good ideas are usually built on the shoulders of existing, well tested and proven technologies. Bitcoin is a good example of this, weaving well seasoned public key cryptography and other mathematical genius with peer to peer protocols, stack based programming languages and proof-of-work.

What makes Bitcoin brilliant is how it unites existing technologies to make something completely revolutionary.

It is also interesting to note how it takes a few stepping stones to get technology right. HashCash was not the solution for digital money, but without it coming first, maybe the next step of Bitcoin would not have been thought of.

I began taking Bitcoin seriously in April 2013 and in July/August 2013 I read J.R. Willett’s Mastercoin proposals where he suggested using blockchain timestamping in Bitcoin to embed data according to a new protocol which could be used to effectively create a new coin within a coin. I found this intriguing but had some technical objections and I was quite vocal during the debates, examples here and here.

Without getting too technical, there is a concept called ‘blockchain bloat’ and it’s quite a political problem within the Bitcoin developer space (because the definition is open to interpretation), and there are continuous efforts to reduce it.

By October I decided I was going to address my objections by creating my own solution. However, I got pretty caught up in other things and then the Bitcoin bull-run took my attention and I became quite well known in trading circles. Then in January alone came Counterparty, another protocol designed to embed a new Mastercoin like protocol in the Bitcoin blockchain. This attempt was in my opinion much better and further inspired me to pursue my original solution, since this was a confirmation I was on the right track, but my attention was still taken up by trading and there was so much more excitement to come with the China and MtGox for the next few months.

I liked Counterparty and it was pretty much what I had envisioned myself and they have run with the technology and spent a lot of time building it out but they still didn’t address my main objections, they it’s further confirmation of the concepts.

So what were my main objections? Firstly, Bitcoin was not designed to be a carrier pigeon and although it’s possible to encode data within normal Bitcoin transactions, there are a lot of political objections to it. This matters a lot because the people who contribute to Bitcoin development can, and has already done things that restrict the use of Bitcoin for these ‘non-standard’ purposes. There are arguably ways to encode data that cannot be blocked, but the real question is, how feasible is it to build a system like this on the back of Bitcoin when you have no idea if the next release of Bitcoin will outlaw your code.

Most recently for example, when Counterparty published their papers, they committed to using OP_RETURN based on 80 byte storage only to find Bitcoin 0.9.0 prevents relaying of transactions containing more than OP_RETURN of 40 bytes! Quite a nasty surprise!

So ask yourself, “is playing cat and mouse really a viable option for a smart protocol?” Bitcoin will definitely continue to play whack-a-mole against perceived blockchain abuse. Despite all the benefits of building on an existing, well established infrastructure, it’s simply not safe to do so when that infrastructure can outlaw you at any time.

My next objection was a matter of speed. Bitcoin is terribly slow to confirm blocks. The target of 10 minutes is already too slow, and add variance and it gets a whole lot worse. And, 0-confirmation transactions are not safe as has been demonstrated (as they can be double spent). Who hasn’t found themselves waiting an hour at least once, just to get a single confirmation? That kind of latency makes it pretty useless if you wanted to run a decentralized exchange on top of the protocol.

It was clear as day to me from the beginning, that any such endeavour requires a separate blockchain that was not only faster, but friendly to the data embedding methodology. Namecoin chose this path for example to build out a decentralised domain registration system. But unfortunately, it seems some people have an almost religious conviction that they must use the Bitcoin blockchain come what may.

When I saw the whole OP_RETURN debacle unfold I promised myself I would wait and watch to see what happened and if anyone would do the right thing or let their inflexibility hold them back. I waited, and since no-one filled the void, I decided I would take the plunge.

So here we are, Viacoin is my solution: it’s a currency and store of value in it’s own right (symbol VIA); and has fast blockchain, 25 times faster than Bitcoin and further speedups may be possible in the future by changing how the network synchronizes blocks. There are some interesting research paper on the matter.

The Viacoin blockchain is completely supportive of OP_RETURN data storage and will remain so. Since there is a already tried protocol, I have shelved mine and we will use Counterparty as our starting point for ClearingHouse. I believe this is the best way forward because we know it works already and will be very easy to get up and running. ClearingHouse will have it’s own internal currency, called XCH.

So the roadmap looks something like this:

Bootstrap Viacoin distribution by presale.
Launch the Viacoin network.
Build out viacoin services.
Launch ClearingHouse using proof based VIA to XCH conversion process.
Build out services
In summary, Viacoin and ClearingHouse have been a long time in the coming. I would like to have been first because, well that would have been a lot cooler. However, the fact other projects came along with similar concepts tells me it was a good idea. All ideas are incremental, so it’s not a matter “who thought of it first” because in the end, good technology and usable systems is what matters. I would particularly like to thank Namecoin developers who really started the ball rolling for alternative uses for blockchain storage, and to J.R. Willett and PhantomPhreak who really got the world thinking about the next steps after bitcoin.

ClearingHouse can go a lot further, to develop protocols for decentralized voting, identity and reputation management, setup and exchange of multisignature escrow, “blockchain notary” and a whole host of other applications.

As with all new things, this could all go wrong, but believe we are in a much better place than if we had been the pioneers because we know it’s possible, it’s just more a matter of the implementation details. Viacoin presale distribution has been designed to give an early adopter advantage similar to that of Bitcoin, with equal risk of failure. Ultimately the market will decide, but I think there has never been a more exciting time to be in crypto, than now.
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July 19, 2014, 04:00:18 PM
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anyone, or any pool operator help me understand while mining VIA on every pool my hash is never right, and then after just a few min of mining it seems to drop off completely?  I dont know if this is normal.  But very frustrating.  I want to mine this but tried three pools and all results are the same, I see have my hash reporting, and then after a few min zero
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July 19, 2014, 04:02:09 PM
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Nice story
All Im going to say is the second the dev posts some significant screenshots of work or a preview of the next release that shows he has great skills then this thing will double right away.
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July 19, 2014, 04:02:22 PM
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Someone recomend me a pool with a low fee

Lower fees usually translate is lower expertise, lower attack protection and lower services. Also smaller team, much less support.

Make sure you pickup the service you need rather than the cheaper one Smiley

What pool will you be using ?
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July 19, 2014, 04:02:47 PM
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anybody send  Email to mintpal and crystpy?
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July 19, 2014, 04:03:29 PM
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Hey just wondering; why do these coins that PROMISE 2.0 protocol have huge successful presales when the technology already exists?

XC is a fully functioning 2.0 blockchain that is custom coded; just as VIA 'says' it will be. There was no pre sale, no pre mine, no IPO.

Hell the developers for XC have even been releasing their own decentralized applications with the wallet.

They have a 100% fully functioning anonymity transactions, they also just put fully encrypted messages into the wallet as well.

They plan on allowing user implementation of applications as soon as they complete their encrypted phone call wallet.

Does it have a gateway for clearing connected to banks via xch? Decrntralized marketplace a la counterparty? Read up newbie read up...

No but neither do any of those coins. They only have promises.

XC actually has the 2.0 platform that any of these ideas can be implemented into.

VIA and EVERY other coin only have promises and walls of text.

Gee I wonder why I'm asking.

Maybe it's because people are investing into empty promises.

Then they lose their money and sit there like, 'holy fuck I didn't see that coming!'
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July 19, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
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I am talking about your incentives. Your post is just explaining why there will be no dump from the dev on the market which doesn't mean that you have any vested interest in the coin.
Are you telling us that the buyers should buy the coin because there will be no dump from the dev and not because of the future?
Thank you, I am out.  


I think you might be missing one important point: the massive ICO and the massive BTC trading volume of the past 24 hours demonstrate enormous, untapped interest in blockchain 2.0 technology - in cyptocurrency applications that go beyond just exchanging value through coins transfers.

Given the remarkable demonstration of the market's interest in this, VIA's dev would seem to have a very strong *pecuniary* interest in adding value to his VIAcoin holdings - no? - as well as burnishing his reputation as a blockchain 2.0 pioneer. A reputation like that in the years to come will be worth a fortune. A reputation as a scammer - eh, not so much.

Scammers are generally short-sighted in that they dont recognise that there's a lot more money to be made in meeting/exceeding people's expectations/interests/needs than in scamming people. Via's dev has to realise that this coin could reach the level of DRK and XC at their heights - and beyond - if he delivers on even part of the promise.

I don't know much about this dev, but what little I've read and seen suggests to me that he is not stupid and short-sighted.

I wouldn't say your criticisms are FUD - just that they're perhaps a bit premature. The market's judgement seems to be that, after watching him develop and lead one of the smoothest and most successful ICOs ever, it's willing to wait and see what else this dev can do before jumping to conclusions.


So where is the blockchain 2.0? Does it exists at all, is it only a plan, is there any road maps for the blockcain 2.0 aka ClearingHouse?


Looks like it's mostly just a plan at this point and market speculation over whether he now has the resources -- financial (presumably he does now thanks to ICO?) and technical/talent/work-ethic (to be determined) -- to carry it out.

Yes he does have the technical skill and work ethic. Trust me on that one.

Pinky promise?

I don't know what "pinky promise" means (English is not my native language) but I've known btcdrak for years and will say that I have the utmost respect for him. He's a top-notch developer. You can choose to believe me or not, that of course is your prerogative. I've invested into this coin because of him being the developer.
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July 19, 2014, 04:06:09 PM
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i hold  0.3 million XC coin, but i  also like viacoin very much!

viacoin is the future.
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July 19, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
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I don't know what "pinky promise" means (English is not my native language) but I've known btcdrak for years and will say that I have the utmost respect for him. He's a top-notch developer. You can choose to believe me or not, that of course is your prerogative. I've invested into this coin because of him being the developer.

Its just a little silly thing people do, put their pinky fingers together and shake on it.
Well if what you say is true then I'm all in, I'm half in at the moment just been so many scams in the past year some things start to seem too good to be true. Looks like it will be a huge coin.
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July 19, 2014, 04:07:50 PM
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guys again.
how do I get a VIA address on windows wallet ?

thanks

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July 19, 2014, 04:09:18 PM
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Need a good pool to use so i will maximise my hash rate, i will be having about 8+ Mhz spread over 5+rigs
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July 19, 2014, 04:10:52 PM
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Hey just wondering; why do these coins that PROMISE 2.0 protocol have huge successful presales when the technology already exists?

XC is a fully functioning 2.0 blockchain that is custom coded; just as VIA 'says' it will be. There was no pre sale, no pre mine, no IPO.

Hell the developers for XC have even been releasing their own decentralized applications with the wallet.

They have a 100% fully functioning anonymity transactions, they also just put fully encrypted messages into the wallet as well.

They plan on allowing user implementation of applications as soon as they complete their encrypted phone call wallet.

Does it have a gateway for clearing connected to banks via xch? Decrntralized marketplace a la counterparty? Read up newbie read up...

No but neither do any of those coins. They only have promises.

XC actually has the 2.0 platform that any of these ideas can be implemented into.

VIA and EVERY other coin only have promises and walls of text.

Gee I wonder why I'm asking.

Maybe it's because people are investing into empty promises.

Then they lose their money and sit there like, 'holy fuck I didn't see that coming!'

bump the pump and dump
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July 19, 2014, 04:12:23 PM
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 Do you realize the blockchain 2 is what Ethereum's exceptional dev team tries to accomplish? You can't seriously think this developer is in the league of Ethereum, his output on the subject certainly doesn't suggests that.

I don't know the Ethereum devs, but why do you assume that he can't be in the same league? None of this is magic; yes, it's complex coding but any competent dev who invests the time can make meaningful contributions to this technology.

Anyhow, believe what you will. I have faith in our dev and I speak from experience.
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I don't know what "pinky promise" means (English is not my native language) but I've known btcdrak for years and will say that I have the utmost respect for him. He's a top-notch developer. You can choose to believe me or not, that of course is your prerogative. I've invested into this coin because of him being the developer.

Its just a little silly thing people do, put their pinky fingers together and shake on it.
Well if what you say is true then I'm all in, I'm half in at the moment just been so many scams in the past year some things start to seem too good to be true. Looks like it will be a huge coin.

I'm 100% certain it's not a scam. That doesn't mean it's a sure thing (there is no such thing in software and especially not in crypto) but btcdrak is not a scammer. He's a genuinly good and very smart guy.
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