Re: Black Arrow 28nm 100Ghash Bitcoin ASIC from $0.49/GH/s

[notbatman]

Quote
"The whole thing was always about money and there is no friend here for customers, but customers are still our friends" Smiley

Yep, that about sums it up!  We are their friends because we've given them a huge amount of money and we don't have a friend in them because they're not going to ship us any hardware.

These weekly updates are really getting to me now.  I wonder what amazing delay story they will come up with this time.

Time to find out exactly where the owner of this operation is living and if it's not China then we start action together.

The last payment I made for my compensation PSUs was to a bank account in the UK.

Lol, you think any customer considers any company they purchase something from a friend? Especially after long delay? Don't think so, customers will always be silent if everything is ok, but will be yelling out loud if things isn't going as planned, i worked with many customers myself before. There is never a 100% happy customer, this isn't like i want color is wrong etc etc.
I bought a miner from them myself and got burned but i don't go crying all over the any possible placed, because i know it was a risk. If you are not prepared for a risk do not invest in to bitcoin. Same as Forex actually. Tomorrow bitcoin costs 1 cent, who are you going to blame and ask money for back? Satoshi? lol

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

I smell some scam here.
BA delay shipping many times with many reason.

I have a lession that DON'T WORK WITH CHINESE. Because they will f**k your ass

The guy calling the shots appears to be a Romanian living in the UK.

What do you mean? Could you explain, please? I like in UK so maybe I could chase something up?

I smell some scam here.
BA delay shipping many times with many reason.

I have a lession that DON'T WORK WITH CHINESE. Because they will f**k your ass

Not all sheeps are black. what about bitmain and dragon miners? they are chinese.

Well, at least they are better than BA. BA director isn't chinese btw.

My understanding is the BA is run by a bunch of Europeans...

Could you elaborate on that, please?

I posted a while ago regarding the ownership of BlackArrow but BlackArrow removed it due to not liking me posting public Documents on here.

Could upload them somewhere for us to download? It would be nice.

I've got a friend in PRC. It's possible she could help me out with some legal/authority action there.

[Craige288]

Hmmmmm, me thinks there are a number of BA staff in here trying to sway conversation and attempting to bring down any negative comments about BA.  They are also really good at telling you to shut the f..k up!  Just my personal suspicion.

[BitCoin Operated Boy]

I have just received documents with a lot of info about the director of BA. The company is actually registered in Hong Kong not inland PRC which makes it much easier to chase it legally. The owner is Romanian living in UK. From all the info related to director it seems that the company may be highly suspicious. If things won't get clarified shipping/refund wise within next to weeks that would make it pretty obvious it is a well designed scam... I won't post more info here because I don't want to get censored :-)

[raskul]

just call the police in berkshire. let them deal with it. do it ASAP.

[goozman96]

I have just received documents with a lot of info about the director of BA. The company is actually registered in Hong Kong not inland PRC which makes it much easier to chase it legally. The owner is Romanian living in UK. From all the info related to director it seems that the company may be highly suspicious. If things won't get clarified shipping/refund wise within next to weeks that would make it pretty obvious it is a well designed scam... I won't post more info here because I don't want to get censored :-)

It's already public info:
http://www.kiwi.nz/blackarrow/

[notbatman]

I look forward to tomorrow's update.

http://www.horsetopia.com/articles/basics-of-ownership/horse-advice---what-to-do-if-your-horse-goes-lame.html

[notbatman]

So lets make a bet, I bet .0001 that there is a software issue with the X-1's. Anyone willing to bet otherwise?

is the bet null and void if X-1's never actually exist? (you would be betting against the state of a non-existent product)

I suspect we're all in it for the hashing power; speculating on the success of something already successful is a good bet.

The question here is are we dealing with bad actors?

[DebitMe]

so no compensation notes.  What will happen to those people who get X-1's without LCD's before the control board is ready?  Will they get extra extra compensation, or will the right components eventually be sent?

EDIT: Also nothing about the surprise.

Congrats on shipping though.  This turmoil is finally making moves in the right direction, it is unfortunate that your terms for those who will be getting products different than advertised is not clear.

[DebitMe]

Latest pictures:

http://ecointalk.net/gallery/image/379-img-3352-resize/

Includes hashing unit pictures. I have my first unit on its way to me as well.

I admit they are pretty. Although, I seem to remember their product page saying they would include standoffs for stacking?  Now checking the page, that is gone and these unit do not seem to be able to be stackable?  Does anyone else remember this claim?  How the heck are we supposed to organize 10 to 20+ of these things if they don't stack?

[DebitMe]

Woohoo! Finally received my refund from minersource. THANK YOU!!!

What did you originally pay in?  What was given?  Was it the same number of btc as you paid or was it adjusted to current prices?

[goozman96]

I posted a link to the documents but it got deleted by Blackarrow. I reposted it in the scam accusations thread by the user 'notbatman'.

Let's see if _this_ post gets deleted too..

[notbatman]

So the update stated nothing other than one lucky customer got a makeshift prototype X-1. Hashfast shipped at least 3 units... Making BA fall somewhere in between them and BFL.

I'm thinking all these pre-orders are an organized scam to squeeze the small players out of the ASIC game by leaving them with massive financial losses and a bad taste in their mouths.

[notbatman]

That would involve lots of coordination. Who do you think could manage such a level of deceit?

Steve

Whoever "they" are they cast a wide enough net that I was gaurenteed to lose no matter what choice I made in late November.

I had originally intended to get Bitfurries but the bank put hold on my cash for an extended period of time. By the time it cleared not a single supplier had any stock left. I decided on a pre-order from what appeared to be reputable company.

[notbatman]

i have like a presentiment that is the last week and shipments will begin around next week !
to be serious for a moment the official and unofficials teams (china, US, europe) are in the process of finding the right solutions for everyone
besides the issues with x3 backplane i think it there's other things to take into consideration for others of us like getting a plug'n'play product, the hosting platforme, the refunds, re-sellers program ....
all that just to reflect and give good vibes to the staffs and costumers and STOP with ur conspiracies about alex and the people of eastern europe!

Achraf Bouzidi

If it's not a conspiracy then WHERE'S MY FUCKING MONEY?

[Craige288]

They're not going to refund u as they are 'in production' 

That's not what my order status says!  Status = Processed, order 1##1

[notbatman]

The first e-mail I got from Black Arrow was in late November confirming they received my money and that my order would be dispatched on the 24th of  February 2014.

The second e-mail I got was in December and it wished me a merry Christmas.

The third and last e-mail I got was in January and stated that my order would be dispatched on the 30th of April 2014.

Happy New Year

[notbatman]

Does anyone know who ordered Minion chips?  They should have tracking codes or the chips themselves by now?

thechnobit

how long before they offer the assembly?

[notbatman]

"Mass production in under way and shipping will start from the beginning of next week." -- BA

So did anybody get shipment tracking numbers for their X-1s?

[notbatman]

"Mass production in under way and shipping will start from the beginning of next week." -- BA

So did anybody get shipment tracking numbers for their X-1s?

Nothing as usual :/

"Mass production in under way and shipping will start from the beginning of next week." -- BA

So if this statement is a lie not to mention grammatically incorrect then is it not also reasonable to assume the following statement is also a lie?

"There are no Prospero miners X1 or X3 which are hashing on any of our facilities." -- BA