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September 25, 2015, 03:04:53 PM
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I've decided to leave negative trust and hope others do too. Not because I believe FortuneJack are outright scammers but because NLNico's evidence is extremely damning (especially the almost exactly +100M dash, and +200M ltc from expected) and this is an extremely dishonest thing to do when people use site statistics as a form of social proof.

This is something that people should be aware of before they play here.

Even if they do "fix" the stats to more plausible levels, it'll be hard to trust statistics of someone who thought it was a good idea to put 14M bitcoin wagered proudly on their homepage.
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September 25, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
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Okay, I will ignore the stats from bitcoinstrip. Still I have 3 data points, that I personally got straight from your website. These numbers are correctly taken from your site.

I know all stats started with 0 on 2014-09-09. I know the stats of 2015-01-10 so I can calculate the daily average between those 2 dates (first 123 days). And I know the stats of today, so I can calculate the average daily between 2015-01-10 and now (257 days.)

This results in:

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       2015-01-10       in BTC daily in BTC 2015-09-24            in BTC   daily in BTC

BTC        23,565 BTC   23,565 BTC      191 BTC     10,570,963 BTC    10,570,963 BTC 41,040 BTC
NVC     1,008,077 NVC    4,365 BTC       35 BTC      1,206,989 NVC    5,226 BTC       3 BTC
PPC     1,005,193 PPC    1,658 BTC       13 BTC       1,680,837 PPC    2,773 BTC       4 BTC
NMC     1,002,993 NMC    1,655 BTC        13 BTC      1,147,817 NMC    1,894 BTC       1 BTC
DASH       105,758 DASH   1,108 BTC         9 BTC       100,300,583 DASH    1,050,977 BTC   4,085 BTC
DOGE   685,105,819 DOGE     356 BTC         3 BTC    14,664,444,075 DOGE        7,625 BTC      28 BTC
RDD 8,572,105,491 RDD      343 BTC         3 BTC    39,762,845,194 RDD         1,590 BTC       5 BTC
LTC         8,343 LTC      104 BTC        1 BTC       200,305,652 LTC     2,489,799 BTC   9,688 BTC
CLAM         8,105 CLAM 48 BTC        0 BTC        150,369 CLAM          895 BTC       3 BTC

TOTAL     33,202 BTC       270 BTC       14,132,013 BTC     54,859 BTC



Do you see how these stats look wrong?



1) I found it odd that NVC, PPC, NMC are all just about a million on the first data point, but I am willing to ignore that as it could be coincidence.
2) For the first 123 days, you had a daily avg of 270 BTC in total. And the 257 days after that, a daily avg of 54,859 BTC. I'm sure your site got more popular, but seems extreme?
3) Note how almost all altcoins aren't popular except DASH and LTC with HUGE amounts. LTC is claimed to have more 5x more wagered than PrimeDice's BTC daily wagered. PD is the most popular dice site BY FAR and AFAIK the most popular BTC gambling site. Even DASH is 2x more than PD BTC. Anyone active in the cryptocurrency gambling community, knows that altcoins do not have that kind of gambling volume in BTC terms. Even JD doesn't have that with their CLAM wagered amounts. The fact that your other altcoins have barely wagered volume, shows this furthermore.
4) I find it odd that it seems like DASH got exactly 100M added (300k would be exactly correct based on daily of first 123 days) and it seems like 200M was added to LTC. But sure, this "could" be a coincidence.
5) Just the fact that you claim to have 54,859 BTC daily wagered should be enough.. That is 27x times more wagered than PD and still 4x more than JD with BTC times. Everyone who was active on JD know how crazy action there was, 100 BTC spam-bets were almost not a big deal.
6) Based on your wagered amounts, you should have an expected profit 141,320 till 565,280 BTC in ~8 months (based on 1% HE - 4% HE.) That is simply impossible.
7) You have a max bet of 1 BTC on your dice game. With these wagered amounts and expected profits, you should be able to afford HUGE max bets.
8) Just because you have a lot of different games, altcoins and some bonus program, doesn't magically make your site more popular by these insane factors.



I find it odd that you try to defend this. I personally assumed you would say there was a silly mistake and it would be fixed. That you really claim that these numbers are correct, is sketchy to me.

Those numbers and tables you are trying to bring up are wrong and has nothing to do with our database, and there is no way you could have access to that kind of information.
However, we approve there was a bug counting it. One of the games (fortune wheel) was excluded from the trigger for a short period of time (when we changed our currency rates provider) and the bets were summed up without multiplying it on an exchange rate. The issue was fixed later, but the wager forgetfully remained untouched. It took some time to analyse the code and history of FortuneJack updates.

We think exaggerating total wager would be a cheap marketing trick and would never distribute wager that high on the landing page on purpose, knowing it would raise a lot of questions in a highly curious community like Bitcointalk.

Those numbers are 100% from you and I definitely had access to it. The URLs sharing this information were https://fortunejack.com/ajax/wagered.php?curr=16 (where 16 is currency ID) and these were correct (and in altcoin currency, not BTC values.) The numbers just completely add up to your claimed "total numbers" and therefor my table is 100% correct. You now disabled that URL and claim that I am wrong, while you know I had access to this - since the URLs are only disabled since today (this means you are directly lying in your post by saying "no way you could have access".)

In addition to prove that the "wagered.php" numbers were correct, I added up the "bets per currency" numbers: 623,141,167+887,499,445+288,482,608+264,086,590+64,777,596+59,309,975+52,277,608+43,858,035+40,792,287+79,048 = 2,324,304,359 - your site shows 2,316,703,717 - sure couple million off, but seems close enough imo. Note that I didn't manually get or calculated any of this (including exchange rates etc.) I simply had your site in my local dicesites.com already since January and this was all updated/calculated with a simple script load.

Your explanation doesn't make any sense. The numbers that I got were in the alt coin currency. They have nothing to do with any exchange rate. I -personally- calculated the "in BTC values" with my own exchange rates. The total calculation of that was 14,131,742 BTC while your site showed 14,132,013 BTC so that is only a small 271 BTC difference because of different exchange rates.



I think you are only making this a bigger problem. You basically call me a liar now, claiming that I made these numbers up myself or something like that. Considering you only removed that URL today, it is clear that you knew I had access to those numbers so you are clearly lying in your post too. I really think you should just come clean and admit your mistake. Personally I do think this is looking sketchier with every post you make.



PS, I appreciate the PM you sent about a "bug bounty" for this "bug". But I disagree that there was a bug here, so I respectfully decline your bounty.

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September 25, 2015, 04:46:50 PM
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The data is most certainly wrong.  Shocked Shocked

Edit: The total wagered amount shown on the site doesn't match with any other data on site. NLNico is right. May be there is some error? like 1 DOGE/REDD = 1 BTC? So, a 10000 DOGE bet would add 10000 BTC to the counter. or it could be dollar/cents for slot games that was equated to a BTC.

Also, it is possible that the error was already fixed. Even if it happened for say a week, it would completely distort the data. and may be FJ didn't bother to reduce it back? Tongue

Edit2: I estimated actual wagered amount to be around 100,000BTC to 400,000BTC

I remember it showed 60K btc total wager before the site upgraded, I mean they changed their UI and theme several months ago, and suddenly it became 14 million BTC, if it is not a program error or something, I see OP still claimed it is correct, so they deliberately lie to us,  Angry Angry >:(I will warn everyone this casino is a potential scam, they have fake promo on deposit bonus, their real deposit bonus is different from the bonus page shows, and fake stats.

You estimation is too much, must be lower than 80k, they can't have so much wager cause they don't have sports betting, and they are not a famous fiat casino, 100% IMPOSSIBLE for 14M total wagering.
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September 25, 2015, 05:10:33 PM
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Nah, I just think they were careless, lol.
They didn't bother to update the bonus terms about the changes in how the bonus is implemented. The Bonus terms given for the 100% deposit bonus are incorrect and also didn't bother to reset the wagered amount published on the home page of the site to the correct amount after the error was fixed.

I don't want a Nico v. potentially suspicious site war to go on all over again. so, I think we should give them time to fix these two things before adding a negative trust or consider it a scam.

Deadline : 1st October 2015.

1. Most importantly, correct the wagered amount shown on the home page to actual data. The current amount is inflated around 30 to 100+ times as per my estimate. If it is not possible to accurately estimate it, ignore the wagered amount for that particular period in which the error happened.
It is an important material data and decides how people see it. Ignoring it for so long is very unprofessional. Please fix it asap.

2. Update the bonus terms to reflect how things actually work at the moment.
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September 25, 2015, 05:38:10 PM
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Which error are you talking about? Did you read my post?  Tongue Please explain me how an exchange rate error affects the original alt coin amounts. It should only affect the BTC amounts.

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September 25, 2015, 05:50:18 PM
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Which error are you talking about? Did you read my post?  Tongue Please explain me how an exchange rate error affects the original alt coin amounts. It should only affect the BTC amounts.


No, I didn't read any posts properly. Grin

Where did you get the alt coin wagered amount from?
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Which error are you talking about? Did you read my post?  Tongue Please explain me how an exchange rate error affects the original alt coin amounts. It should only affect the BTC amounts.


No, I didn't read any posts properly. Grin

Where did you get the alt coin wagered amount from?
That is in my previous post :p

Basically they used to show "per currency" stats in January on the website. I made a crawler for my site at that time and got the full data once. Then for months they didn't show those stats but that URL was still working. So yesterday I ran my script and got full data of "per currency" stats again. Rest/details are really in my previous post :p The numbers really add up compared to their total stats.

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September 25, 2015, 06:04:20 PM
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Which error are you talking about? Did you read my post?  Tongue Please explain me how an exchange rate error affects the original alt coin amounts. It should only affect the BTC amounts.


No, I didn't read any posts properly. Grin

Where did you get the alt coin wagered amount from?
That is in my previous post :p

Basically they used to show "per currency" stats in January on the website. I made a crawler for my site at that time and got the full data once. Then for months they didn't show those stats but that URL was still working. So yesterday I ran my script and got full data of "per currency" stats again. Rest/details are really in my previous post :p The numbers really add up compared to their total stats.

I get 404 not found. the URL isn't working anymore Huh
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September 25, 2015, 06:08:01 PM
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Yes. They removed it today. That's why they are lying by saying "no way you could have access" because they know I was using that URL since it's removed today.

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September 25, 2015, 10:23:31 PM
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Yes. They removed it today. That's why they are lying by saying "no way you could have access" because they know I was using that URL since it's removed today.

This casino been doing fake stat many long time. Only site like prc and betterbets not faking stat rest bet own bankroll. Player not many enough for these amount. Anyone who not know this not know this industry. Also anyone who argue with NLNico need to get head examine.
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September 26, 2015, 03:54:11 AM
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Well... tbh most bitcoin casinos inflate their stats to use for marketing purposes. What matters to me (and for many others, im sure) is that the casino is fair in its dealings with all its customers and follow up their promises, which FJ do quite well imo.

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September 26, 2015, 04:45:19 AM
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Yes. They removed it today. That's why they are lying by saying "no way you could have access" because they know I was using that URL since it's removed today.

Probably they knew the data was inaccurate, because of say an error they had known which may be why they removed particular altcoin stats from the home page. So they didn't fix it coz they didn't know you or anyone was looking at that stats.

Either way, they should correct is asap.
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September 26, 2015, 05:10:13 AM
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Well... tbh most bitcoin casinos inflate their stats to use for marketing purposes. What matters to me (and for many others, im sure) is that the casino is fair in its dealings with all its customers and follow up their promises, which FJ do quite well imo.

Yeah, it is for marketing purposes, but this kind of 14M is too ridiculous, 2 possibilities: 1. the data is erroneous and they didn't find, imo they should know that.  2. deliberately make this figure to attract people, this action is bad, cause their real wager is about 70k btc, it is 200X inflation.
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September 26, 2015, 05:14:28 AM
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Yes. They removed it today. That's why they are lying by saying "no way you could have access" because they know I was using that URL since it's removed today.

Probably they knew the data was inaccurate, because of say an error they had known which may be why they removed particular altcoin stats from the home page. So they didn't fix it coz they didn't know you or anyone was looking at that stats.

Either way, they should correct is asap.
Please read all my posts regarding to this issue and take some time to understand them before "defending" them.

The bug they described cannot be the cause because I got original alt coins amounts. If someone bets 12 CLAM, the site adds 12 CLAM to the CLAM stats. There is no involvement of any exchange rate.






I think it's clear they added 200M to DASH, probably 100M to LTC, and either 10M or even up to 10.5M to BTC. It seems like they added complete round numbers. I personally even think they added 1M to NVC, PPC, NMC at the beginning months of their website (I mean, just look at those numbers lmao), but I am willing to ignore this since that's relatively not much. Overall they should have around 100,000 BTC only in my estimation. Which is around 263 BTC wagered per day, which would be correct estimation compared to other sites too (~same amount as Rollin for example, just little lower than PRC/BD which obviously have more HR action.) This would give them between 1k and 4k BTC in profits. I think that is a fair estimation based on their bonus/affiliate/"max bet" stats too. <<< this paragraph is obviously speculation and my estimations though, my previous posts are proper arguments imo.


Overall I agree we should just wait for their reply and see how much they adjust their stats. But still I don't understand why you keep replying in a defensive way without even reading my posts (or at least not understanding them.)

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September 26, 2015, 05:20:49 AM
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The bug they described cannot be the cause because I got original alt coins amounts.

Of course, I know that. I don't think that was the real issue that caused that high wagered amount either.


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Overall I agree we should just wait for their reply and see how much they adjust their stats.

Also, I am not sure whether this guy we are talking to is fully aware of everything to answer it. AFAIK, he could be the admin or a staff handing a completely different department.



First, get them to fix the wagered amount on the home page. then seek for the explanation, imo.
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I can only speak for myself. but im  up 12btc at fj



its the only site ive won at TBH  Grin

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I can only speak for myself. but im  up 12btc at fj



its the only site ive won at TBH  Grin

Yeah, I don't see any other issues with FortuneJack except this inflated wagered amount. That is why I am defending them.  Cool

Well, if it is actually inflated by them on purpose then it is seriously unprofessional. Either way they should change the wagered amount to real stats.
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I can only speak for myself. but im  up 12btc at fj



its the only site ive won at TBH  Grin

Yeah, I don't see any other issues with FortuneJack except this inflated wagered amount. That is why I am defending them.  Cool

Well, if it is actually inflated by them on purpose then it is seriously unprofessional. Either way they should change the wagered amount to real stats.

This is no first time they have over billion usd weekly wager Nico know this too. It happen many time. Accident is once with stat but many is not.
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Overall I agree we should just wait for their reply and see how much they adjust their stats. But still I don't understand why you keep replying in a defensive way without even reading my posts (or at least not understanding them.)

Also, I am not sure whether this guy we are talking to is fully aware of everything to answer it. AFAIK, he could be the admin or a staff handing a completely different department.
I do agree with that. I agree that the "FortuneJack" account on this forum might not even know what these "wagered.php" URLs are and therefor not realize that my table was 100% correct. This would make their latest reply to "wrong because not properly informed by tech dep" instead of "wrong because lying", so I guess that would be better.


I also agree to just wait for their reply now first, lol.



@cryptobet: nice profits Tongue

@ndnhc: just FYI I do still think they are legit for playing/withdrawals, "just" fake stats (and at this point: probably on purpose), which is important enough to bring up to discussion imo. I am not on some war and I haven't considered any neg trust. I simply do not like lies and I want site operators to be honest. That is all.

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