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[dutchlincoln]

ok. Is the KDB reboot the cause of the app saying "a block found"?
I was all happy this morining when i woke up and another block was found, but it seemed to be a false hurah... 

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[kano]

ok. Is the KDB reboot the cause of the app saying "a block found"?
I was all happy this morining when i woke up and another block was found, but it seemed to be a false hurah... 

I'm pretty sure one of the apps does that every time I restart KDB.
I guess the problem is they don't remember the last block properly, coz when KDB is restarting there's lotsa zeros and '?'s for a short while.

[comby]

kano, a technical question:

is it possible - for a pool owner who act's like a "proxy" - to "cut off" some hashrate for their own?

For example, if I put 500 th/s of hashpower to slush, they could easyly remove 1-2 % of my hashrate to use for their own, because I cannot really monitor this 1:1 all the time 24/7 from the antminer software.

But is this technically possible since we have some "work" to do like "shares"?

[kano]

kano, a technical question:

is it possible - for a pool owner who act's like a "proxy" - to "cut off" some hashrate for their own?

For example, if I put 500 th/s of hashpower to slush, they could easyly remove 1-2 % of my hashrate to use for their own, because I cannot really monitor this 1:1 all the time 24/7 from the antminer software.

But is this technically possible since we have some "work" to do like "shares"?

Well, to be blunt, the pool owner's code could do whatever they like.

If the proxy is coded to allow multiple connections with ratios of work then they could easily do that by providing a small % of work with a different 'destination'

One way you can verify things is to check that the miners submitted accepted share diff matches the pool's rewarded reported share diff.
But even then a coder could report rejects that aren't actually rejects and hide the redirected work that way.

From the point of view of who is actually being rewarded for the work, you can see the username/workername in each share you submit if you monitor the stratum shares being submitted on the network.
I guess you could also check the work you are receiving stays the same ... though that well known stratum hack used on not-nicehash called extranonce completely overrides that and allows them to switch your work to do literally anything at any time without even logging that rather major security breach design.

Bottom line is that no you can't easily tell and modifying code to report things wont guarantee anything either.
If your miner includes extranonce then you are completely screwed with no chance of knowing what's going on.

[Apprentice]

is anyone using the Dollemizer firmware?

[kano]

is anyone using the Dollemizer firmware?

LOL I wouldn't trust anyone to provide a new firmware for any miner that says you'll make more.
You're not gonna make more - just they're gonna get money from you via fees or hacks in the miner.

Of course they also don't provide source code ... so you don't see the hacks that steal from you
... and they of course are breaking the license terms for not providing the source code.

If you do use it - mine somewhere else with it - I don't want to be dealing with people complaining about lost shares and problems here due to hacked miners
... or the pool losing blocks due to the hacks.

[dutchlincoln]

is anyone using the Dollemizer firmware?

LOL I wouldn't trust anyone to provide a new firmware for any miner that says you'll make more.
You're not gonna make more - just they're gonna get money from you via fees or hacks in the miner.

Of course they also don't provide source code ... so you don't see the hacks that steal from you
... and they of course are breaking the license terms for not providing the source code.

If you do use it - mine somewhere else with it - I don't want to be dealing with people complaining about lost shares and problems here due to hacked miners
... or the pool losing blocks due to the hacks.

but if you have more equal miners, and you flash some of them, it should be fairly easy to compare and see if that would be true?
Also, with the improved mining algo, it should benefit a higher hasrate...
In other words: if a 13.5Th miner would go to 16-17Th and use less power, why would i care they take one or 2 percent of my mining hashrate? (all things being equal..)

[comby]

kano, a technical question:

is it possible - for a pool owner who act's like a "proxy" - to "cut off" some hashrate for their own?

For example, if I put 500 th/s of hashpower to slush, they could easyly remove 1-2 % of my hashrate to use for their own, because I cannot really monitor this 1:1 all the time 24/7 from the antminer software.

But is this technically possible since we have some "work" to do like "shares"?

Well, to be blunt, the pool owner's code could do whatever they like.

If the proxy is coded to allow multiple connections with ratios of work then they could easily do that by providing a small % of work with a different 'destination'

One way you can verify things is to check that the miners submitted accepted share diff matches the pool's rewarded reported share diff.
But even then a coder could report rejects that aren't actually rejects and hide the redirected work that way.

From the point of view of who is actually being rewarded for the work, you can see the username/workername in each share you submit if you monitor the stratum shares being submitted on the network.
I guess you could also check the work you are receiving stays the same ... though that well known stratum hack used on not-nicehash called extranonce completely overrides that and allows them to switch your work to do literally anything at any time without even logging that rather major security breach design.

Bottom line is that no you can't easily tell and modifying code to report things wont guarantee anything either.
If your miner includes extranonce then you are completely screwed with no chance of knowing what's going on.

Thank you.

I was talking with a guy who runs a pool (not bitcoin) on his own, they do "cut off" about 3-4% of the hashing power for their own, just confirms what you say.

I wouldn't wonder if other pools are doing the same, noone would notice of 3-4% less hashpower, but 3-4% hashpower of 4,4 eh/s are alot.. :/

[kano]

is anyone using the Dollemizer firmware?

LOL I wouldn't trust anyone to provide a new firmware for any miner that says you'll make more.
You're not gonna make more - just they're gonna get money from you via fees or hacks in the miner.

Of course they also don't provide source code ... so you don't see the hacks that steal from you
... and they of course are breaking the license terms for not providing the source code.

If you do use it - mine somewhere else with it - I don't want to be dealing with people complaining about lost shares and problems here due to hacked miners
... or the pool losing blocks due to the hacks.

but if you have more equal miners, and you flash some of them, it should be fairly easy to compare and see if that would be true?
Also, with the improved mining algo, it should benefit a higher hasrate...
In other words: if a 13.5Th miner would go to 16-17Th and use less power, why would i care they take one or 2 percent of my mining hashrate? (all things being equal..)

Coz those figures are obviously fraudulent.
You really think Bitmain wouldn't advertise and sell their miners saying they do 16-17THs if they could do that?

... and again - regarding blocks:
So they've tested and proven that their modified code consistently finds real blocks on the Bitcoin network?

[dutchlincoln]

is anyone using the Dollemizer firmware?

LOL I wouldn't trust anyone to provide a new firmware for any miner that says you'll make more.
You're not gonna make more - just they're gonna get money from you via fees or hacks in the miner.

Of course they also don't provide source code ... so you don't see the hacks that steal from you
... and they of course are breaking the license terms for not providing the source code.

If you do use it - mine somewhere else with it - I don't want to be dealing with people complaining about lost shares and problems here due to hacked miners
... or the pool losing blocks due to the hacks.

but if you have more equal miners, and you flash some of them, it should be fairly easy to compare and see if that would be true?
Also, with the improved mining algo, it should benefit a higher hasrate...
In other words: if a 13.5Th miner would go to 16-17Th and use less power, why would i care they take one or 2 percent of my mining hashrate? (all things being equal..)

Coz those figures are obviously fraudulent.
You really think Bitmain wouldn't advertise and sell their miners saying they do 16-17THs if they could do that?

... and again - regarding blocks:
So they've tested and proven that their modified code consistently finds real blocks on the Bitcoin network?

well i have to admit that i dont see the use of pushing out even more hash against many more watts, noise, heat, and shorter lifespan.
What i'm interested in, is the asicboost option,like dragonmint T1.
I can imagine that it might be a bunny out  of the hat of bitmain, in order to re-sell their "new S9Tix"with asicboost support, to generate an attractive new model, and have a new income based on hardware they already developed and produce in large quantity. (in other wordt: why release it just right now as you already are as good as unbeatable...? You'd give away your pearls on forehand and have nothing in the magic hat anymore to compete...)

I think its a viableoption that has been "discovered" by an other team right now...

So, yeah. If they do well and it works: why not. (supposing your pool can handle it.)

[kano]

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well i have to admit that i dont see the use of pushing out even more hash against many more watts, noise, heat, and shorter lifespan.
What i'm interested in, is the asicboost option,like dragonmint T1.
I can imagine that it might be a bunny out  of the hat of bitmain, in order to re-sell their "new S9Tix"with asicboost support, to generate an attractive new model, and have a new income based on hardware they already developed and produce in large quantity. (in other wordt: why release it just right now as you already are as good as unbeatable...? You'd give away your pearls on forehand and have nothing in the magic hat anymore to compete...)

I think its a viableoption that has been "discovered" by an other team right now...

So, yeah. If they do well and it works: why not. (supposing your pool can handle it.)

I can guarantee you it's fraud.

[alexjames2]

What is the recommended diff for S9? Thank You.

[kano]

What is the recommended diff for S9? Thank You.

The pool will work out the appropriate diff.

There's rarely any reason to set it in Management - usually only for certain very old buggy miners.

[rifleman74]

is anyone using the Dollemizer firmware?

LOL I wouldn't trust anyone to provide a new firmware for any miner that says you'll make more.
You're not gonna make more - just they're gonna get money from you via fees or hacks in the miner.

Of course they also don't provide source code ... so you don't see the hacks that steal from you
... and they of course are breaking the license terms for not providing the source code.

If you do use it - mine somewhere else with it - I don't want to be dealing with people complaining about lost shares and problems here due to hacked miners
... or the pool losing blocks due to the hacks.

but if you have more equal miners, and you flash some of them, it should be fairly easy to compare and see if that would be true?
Also, with the improved mining algo, it should benefit a higher hasrate...
In other words: if a 13.5Th miner would go to 16-17Th and use less power, why would i care they take one or 2 percent of my mining hashrate? (all things being equal..)

Coz those figures are obviously fraudulent.
You really think Bitmain wouldn't advertise and sell their miners saying they do 16-17THs if they could do that?

... and again - regarding blocks:
So they've tested and proven that their modified code consistently finds real blocks on the Bitcoin network?

well i have to admit that i dont see the use of pushing out even more hash against many more watts, noise, heat, and shorter lifespan.
What i'm interested in, is the asicboost option,like dragonmint T1.
I can imagine that it might be a bunny out  of the hat of bitmain, in order to re-sell their "new S9Tix"with asicboost support, to generate an attractive new model, and have a new income based on hardware they already developed and produce in large quantity. (in other wordt: why release it just right now as you already are as good as unbeatable...? You'd give away your pearls on forehand and have nothing in the magic hat anymore to compete...)

I think its a viableoption that has been "discovered" by an other team right now...

So, yeah. If they do well and it works: why not. (supposing your pool can handle it.)

Nah, the miner should be running at 16-17 without the Asicboost...it's crap.

[Shazam!!!]

Nah, the miner should be running at 16-17 without the Asicboost...it's crap.

Agreed. So many of us become TH/s junkies, that we often overlook the obvious answers, in search of an extra bit
of HashPower.

Q: What can consumers do to get more HashPower, that is more efficient???

A: Buy equipment that is more efficient.

Note: If you have the best equipment already, there's eventually going to be better equipment. Don't BRICK your equipment trying
to get that extra fix!!!

[wavelengthsf]

Also, why would you ever put something you couldn't review on your income generating machines?

That's like saying you want to give access to your paycheck to a vendor who promises big things, but has no proof they can deliver on those promises.

At least if it were open source we could see if they might have any bugs (at best) and no malicious code (at worst)

[dutchlincoln]

Nah, the miner should be running at 16-17 without the Asicboost...it's crap.

Some people can't seem to supress the udderly urge to waste meaningless transportation of air by saying things that nobody asked for, nor nobody wanted to hear... You must be a manager in real life i guess...

Why dont you just change your forumname to "white noise"... ?

[heartlandmining]

In other words: if a 13.5Th miner would go to 16-17Th and use less power, why would i care they take one or 2 percent of my mining hashrate? (all things being equal..)

Last I checked on Poloniex, trust was pinned at an exchange rate of 100% hashrate.

[kano]

Oh also, no more posts about that scam firmware.
I'll delete any posts with any references to them.

[Shazam!!!]

Oh also, no more posts about that scam firmware.
I'll delete any posts with any references to them.

Boom!!!