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[MoparMiningLLC]

If you had been ramped up, the last block would have been around 0.0008732.  If you want to see what you would have made with your miners, you can plug in your hash rates at https://minergain.com/?btcstats.  I am not sure if minergain is tracking your current pool.  Be aware that I have a bug where the slush blocks are not always subtracting the 2% pool fees but kano always is removing the .9%. The pool fees being subtracted from the block is deep in my monitoring code so a little tricky to find.

So for Kano, a single S9 would have received around 0.0199557, 0.0141996 for slush and 0.0150200 for viabtc.  After removing some additional fees for slush due to my bug (and viabtc is new, so maybe there too), this month definitely was higher.  Obviously the small pool allows us to be much higher and much lower in a month.  Fortunately we are nowhere near as small as we were 6 months ago where we were about 1/4 the size (and really big payouts).

what do you mean by ramped up? because .0008 is considerably more than the .00015387 that I did get. I participated in each shift for the last block. below is what the reward screen shows me.


Block   Block UTC                   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range           Pool N Avg    Your %   Your N Diff    Your N Avg   Your BTC
543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs    0.00%   442.335M    2.55THs           0.00015387


and the shift screen shows sorry I know that it doesnt paste well:
Shift   Start UTC   Length   Your Diff   Inv Diff   Avg Hs   Shares   Avg Share   Rewards   Rewarded*   PPS%
awzno origami    Sep‑27 08:05:39   17m 10s   3.214M   36.243k   13.40THs   266   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awzkn nodoka   Sep‑27 07:14:08   51m 31s   10.414M   36.243k   14.47THs   862   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awzdm mutsumi   Sep‑27 06:24:17   49m 51s   9.351M   60.405k   13.43THs   774   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awz7r lucy   Sep‑27 05:33:55   50m 22s   9.011M   27.162k   12.81THs   816   11,042.32   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyzu kosaki   Sep‑27 04:44:34   49m 21s   6.616M   8.196k   9.60THs   700   9,451.04   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyu3 juvia   Sep‑27 03:54:19   50m 15s   9.231M   0   13.15THs   715   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyo6 ichiko   Sep‑27 03:04:04   50m 15s   9.515M   12.910k   13.55THs   737   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyga hitagi   Sep‑27 02:11:33   52m 31s   9.476M   12.910k   12.92THs   734   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awya5 gin   Sep‑27 01:21:19   50m 14s   10.147M   51.640k   14.46THs   786   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awy4a frey   Sep‑27 00:31:04   50m 15s   8.882M   169.426k   12.65THs   828   10,726.77   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxwc elen   Sep‑26 23:39:08   51m 56s   9.958M   35.229k   13.72THs   848   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxq9 daisy   Sep‑26 22:49:25   49m 43s   9.782M   23.486k   14.08THs   833   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxjf charlotte   Sep‑26 21:56:57   52m 28s   9.242M   0   12.61THs   787   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxca belldandy   Sep‑26 21:05:43   51m 14s   9.852M   23.486k   13.77THs   839   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awx6b ako   Sep‑26 20:15:18   50m 25s   8.913M   35.229k   12.65THs   759   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwyd zekken   Sep‑26 19:26:11   49m 7s   9.641M   0   14.05THs   821   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwsn yuno   Sep‑26 18:34:38   51m 33s   10.310M   0   14.32THs   878   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwmk xenovia   Sep‑26 17:44:04   50m 33s   9.770M   35.229k   13.83THs   832   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awweo wakaba   Sep‑26 16:51:32   52m 33s   10.486M   0   14.29THs   893   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
aww8h valentina   Sep‑26 15:59:54   51m 38s   10.404M   0   14.42THs   886   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
aww2f ur   Sep‑26 15:08:01   51m 53s   9.688M   11.743k   13.37THs   825   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awvuc tenshi   Sep‑26 14:18:06   49m 55s   9.911M   35.229k   14.21THs   844   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%

[kano]

...
Block   Block UTC                   Miner Reward   N Diff   N Range           Pool N Avg    Your %   Your N Diff    Your N Avg   Your BTC
543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs    0.00%   442.335M    2.55THs           0.00015387
...

As it says, we rewarded every share for the last 207hrs
Since you weren't mining for 207hrs, your fraction of the reward was lower.
e.g. if you mined for 100hrs then your reward would be about half of the fully ramped up reward.
24hrs then your reward would be about one eighth of the fully ramped up reward.

Also, it's not 1 shift, it's 207hrs of shifts for that reward.
The actual length is 5Nd+a bit, and the amount of time depends on the pool hash rate and the current network difficulty.
On the shift page, all the shifts rewarded goes down to the red line you can see by clicking the link above the shift list.

As I explained above, the pool uses 5Nd for the N in PPLNS
So your reward will take 5Nd to reach it's expected value for the hash rate.
It's not losing reward, it's spreading it out over 5Nd in the future.
At the moment 5Nd is a bit over 8 days (~207hrs)

Again have a look at this:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg26608107#msg26608107

If you leave today, you will still get rewards for all blocks found in the next 5Nd which is currently ~8 days.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

During the ramping time you get increasing rewards until after the 5n you receive full payments each time we hit a block. If you leave here, then you will continue to get decreasing rewards for the next 5n after you left until all you earned has been paid to you or what remains falls below the dust threshold.

About pasting data here, please use the # button which is for pasting code. Using it what you supplied becomes

Code:

Shift   Start UTC   Length   Your Diff   Inv Diff   Avg Hs   Shares   Avg Share   Rewards   Rewarded*   PPS%
awzno origami    Sep‑27 08:05:39   17m 10s   3.214M   36.243k   13.40THs   266   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awzkn nodoka   Sep‑27 07:14:08   51m 31s   10.414M   36.243k   14.47THs   862   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awzdm mutsumi   Sep‑27 06:24:17   49m 51s   9.351M   60.405k   13.43THs   774   12,081.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awz7r lucy   Sep‑27 05:33:55   50m 22s   9.011M   27.162k   12.81THs   816   11,042.32   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyzu kosaki   Sep‑27 04:44:34   49m 21s   6.616M   8.196k   9.60THs   700   9,451.04   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyu3 juvia   Sep‑27 03:54:19   50m 15s   9.231M   0   13.15THs   715   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyo6 ichiko   Sep‑27 03:04:04   50m 15s   9.515M   12.910k   13.55THs   737   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awyga hitagi   Sep‑27 02:11:33   52m 31s   9.476M   12.910k   12.92THs   734   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awya5 gin   Sep‑27 01:21:19   50m 14s   10.147M   51.640k   14.46THs   786   12,910.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awy4a frey   Sep‑27 00:31:04   50m 15s   8.882M   169.426k   12.65THs   828   10,726.77   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxwc elen   Sep‑26 23:39:08   51m 56s   9.958M   35.229k   13.72THs   848   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxq9 daisy   Sep‑26 22:49:25   49m 43s   9.782M   23.486k   14.08THs   833   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxjf charlotte   Sep‑26 21:56:57   52m 28s   9.242M   0   12.61THs   787   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awxca belldandy   Sep‑26 21:05:43   51m 14s   9.852M   23.486k   13.77THs   839   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awx6b ako   Sep‑26 20:15:18   50m 25s   8.913M   35.229k   12.65THs   759   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwyd zekken   Sep‑26 19:26:11   49m 7s   9.641M   0   14.05THs   821   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwsn yuno   Sep‑26 18:34:38   51m 33s   10.310M   0   14.32THs   878   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awwmk xenovia   Sep‑26 17:44:04   50m 33s   9.770M   35.229k   13.83THs   832   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awweo wakaba   Sep‑26 16:51:32   52m 33s   10.486M   0   14.29THs   893   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
aww8h valentina   Sep‑26 15:59:54   51m 38s   10.404M   0   14.42THs   886   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
aww2f ur   Sep‑26 15:08:01   51m 53s   9.688M   11.743k   13.37THs   825   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%
awvuc tenshi   Sep‑26 14:18:06   49m 55s   9.911M   35.229k   14.21THs   844   11,743.00   1   0.03479   19.91%

which is much better to deal with.

[dutchlincoln]

great i see we found another block! the second one in 3 days. I am using only one s9 at 13.5 th/s in this pool and for the most recent block my reward was .00015387. I want to stay in this pool but i am not sure it would be profitable vs other pools as in other pools my block reward is about .00004 per s9 and getting on average of 10 blocks per day so that would be .0004 on average per day per miner. without 4 blocks a day on average I dont see how I can make the same as the other pools i belong to - and i have my s9's spread out as I am participating in 5-6 pools at a time.

am I looking at this wrong? is there higher profits in a small pool or a in a large pool? I get that the rewards are less frequent but larger and the latest reward was close to 4 times what the other pool is paying per block, the difference is the other pool is finding 10+ blocks per day so I am getting more rewards, although smaller. I see this is the 23rd block in the month, if i had been here the entire month, those rewards would be approx the same as about 100 block rewards on the other pool - but in the same time period with the other pool, I might have 230 block rewards. so seems like it is only half as profitable here for me --- at least with 1 miner.

I may need to bring over all my miners to be a larger % to make it worthwhile.

this may make it easy:

543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs   0.09%   31.828G   183.23THs   0.01107239
543172   2018-Sep-26 14:18   12.55768480   35.763T   207hr 56m 29s   205.19PHs   0.09%   31.689G   181.82THs   0.01112725
542713   2018-Sep-23 16:23   12.41669382   35.819T   217hr 11m 49s   196.75PHs   0.09%   32.595G   179.04THs   0.01129887
542525   2018-Sep-22 11:03   12.41692607   35.898T   217hr 41m 50s   196.73PHs   0.09%   32.659G   178.98THs   0.01129670
542434   2018-Sep-21 20:03   12.69758809   35.788T   217hr 42m 22s   196.12PHs   0.09%   32.654G   178.95THs   0.01158567
542394   2018-Sep-21 14:16   12.78682930   35.787T   217hr 50m 32s   195.99PHs   0.09%   32.680G   178.97THs   0.01167651
542174   2018-Sep-20 01:55   12.48917435   35.205T   214hr 8m 39s   196.14PHs   0.09%   32.100G   178.84THs   0.01138752

[MoparMiningLLC]

ahh ok i think i understand the ramping up now - it increases the longer i am in the pool and decreases if i leave?

and having only been in the pool 3 days for 2 different blocks, i am still on the low end. as for code - I didnt paste any code, it was just a copy/paste from the website.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

The code button is used for all lists of text. The point about the code button is that it stops folks from making walls of text, eg. if they are posting logs, and keeps it a manageable size on the webpage. If you are pasting more than around 10 lines it keeps things nice and tidy.

[MoparMiningLLC]

The code button is used for all lists of text. The point about the code button is that it stops folks from making walls of text and keeps it a manageable size on the webpage. If you are pasting more than around 10 lines it keeps things nice and tidy.

ahh ok gotcha - still very new to these forums.

I am gonna throw a few more s9's at this pool and go thru the cycle at full ramp up and see if perhaps it is worth it. the math adds up - but I gotta see the profits come in as well

[rifleman74]

The code button is used for all lists of text. The point about the code button is that it stops folks from making walls of text and keeps it a manageable size on the webpage. If you are pasting more than around 10 lines it keeps things nice and tidy.

ahh ok gotcha - still very new to these forums.

I am gonna throw a few more s9's at this pool and go thru the cycle at full ramp up and see if perhaps it is worth it. the math adds up - but I gotta see the profits come in as well

Just remember each miner has it's own ramp up period.   The one already mining will have a shorter ramp period of course....when and if you do leave (imagining at the same time), each miner would ramp down at roughly the same "speed".

Trust me, there's no way slush or any other pool would have beat this month.....ZERO chance.    My advice is to bring the other miners over....let them ramp up fully   "The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 223.79PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 7days 23hrs." and then let them mine for 3-4 weeks.   If you don't like it, then you can move away and still get paid some rewards for approximately the same period. 

[kano]

Yeah to clearify that - the 5Nd is how long it takes to change hash rate.

If you start mining, add miners, have an outage, remove miners, or stop mining.
It always takes 5Nd to change.

That's the whole 'reduce variance' bit - it spreads the changes out over 5Nd.
(which of course is how PPLNS works - and in our case N = 5Nd)

[MoparMiningLLC]

Yeah to clearify that - the 5Nd is how long it takes to change hash rate.

If you start mining, add miners, have an outage, remove miners, or stop mining.
It always takes 5Nd to change.

That's the whole 'reduce variance' bit - it spreads the changes out over 5Nd.
(which of course is how PPLNS works - and in our case N = 5Nd)

Just remember each miner has it's own ramp up period.   The one already mining will have a shorter ramp period of course....when and if you do leave (imagining at the same time), each miner would ramp down at roughly the same "speed".

Trust me, there's no way slush or any other pool would have beat this month.....ZERO chance.    My advice is to bring the other miners over....let them ramp up fully   "The pool hash rate for the last day is roughly 223.79PHs which means the 5Nd 'ramp' is roughly 7days 23hrs." and then let them mine for 3-4 weeks.   If you don't like it, then you can move away and still get paid some rewards for approximately the same period. 

I get what you mean about the different ramp up times - the OCD in me had me rename the one that was already on with a new name so it shows as a new worker. That way all are on relatively the same schedule. I will just have to wait the week and see. now that I understand better how it works it makes sense that during ramp up it is less - especially as it keeps paying out when all the miners are gone until it fully ramps down. IMO that balances it mostly.

Thanks again for helping clarify and simplify the matter! hoping this works. If it does well, I may have to swing more miners over. I am also currently looking into building a mining farm on my spare lot. if that works, I will have hundreds of asics to point here

[MoparMiningLLC]

@kano is there a way to set a limit before it the pool tries to send to my wallet? first reward never came thru and the second one is giving me a message that it is too small and may be dropped.  this is not big money - might be around $2 but all the same, i dont like just losing money either.

I looked thru the settings and I dont see where we can set a minimum xfer amount - am I missing something or does it not exist and basically any reward small enough is just lost? so far have lost 0.00023762 BTC

[kano]

@kano is there a way to set a limit before it the pool tries to send to my wallet? first reward never came thru and the second one is giving me a message that it is too small and may be dropped.  this is not big money - might be around $2 but all the same, i dont like just losing money either.

I looked thru the settings and I dont see where we can set a minimum xfer amount - am I missing something or does it not exist and basically any reward small enough is just lost? so far have lost 0.00023762 BTC

Well I suggest you don't use wherever it is you are storing your wallet.
The current payout is once per block for all above dust - dust is 10,000 satoshi
Also note that the payout goes to the address you have when the block was found.

There's no reason for a wallet to not accept a 10,000 satoshi payment, so it must be some web site I guess that's ripping you off

You will see the payout for 543272 just confirmed now.

Edit: this will change in the future when I complete the accounting changes, but of course not until then.

Edit2: though I might guess that maybe you were looking at a web site that said the transaction fee was too small?
If that's the case then ignore it - as I mentioned above, 543272 was just confirmed.
Some web sites have no idea about what transaction fees are necessary to get a transaction confirmed and will give incorrect warnings about that.

[MoparMiningLLC]

@kano is there a way to set a limit before it the pool tries to send to my wallet? first reward never came thru and the second one is giving me a message that it is too small and may be dropped.  this is not big money - might be around $2 but all the same, i dont like just losing money either.

I looked thru the settings and I dont see where we can set a minimum xfer amount - am I missing something or does it not exist and basically any reward small enough is just lost? so far have lost 0.00023762 BTC

Well I suggest you don't use wherever it is you are storing your wallet.
The current payout is once per block for all above dust - dust is 10,000 satoshi
Also note that the payout goes to the address you have when the block was found.

There's no reason for a wallet to not accept a 10,000 satoshi payment, so it must be some web site I guess that's ripping you off

You will see the payout for 543272 just confirmed now.

Edit: this will change in the future when I complete the accounting changes, but of course not until then.

my wallet is bitpay - very little fees to convert btc to cash which i then use the visa card it loads the cash to.  I have never had issues with any other pool due to that all the pools i have participated in have a way to set minimum payout to avoid this issue.

if the first was 0.00008375, i get that under 10,000 is dust, why would it not have grouped with the second payment of 0.00015387? the system knows its mine as it has it allocated to me.  all this being said, I dont think I will have that issue as long as i dont use a single miner. but still it seems like this is a discouragement to any small miners as they may never get paid as it does not accumulate but increments each payment separately.

and yes I am talking about the block 543272 - my payment for block 543172 is essentially dust and as it does not roll up/accumulate with the next payment is basically something I will never get, correct?

again, its approx $2 so ultimately not a big deal to me personally but I can imagine it can easily add up to tens of thousands of dollars with all the dust that has never been paid out.

also - appreciate the quick responses!

[kano]

Firstly, see Edit2 above in case that's relevant.

Secondly, all payouts on the pool have been your reward per block since I started the pool (as long as it is above dust)
It doesn't combine transactions, or inputs, it sends the rewards to the miners using the block's target transaction and the total leftover dust to the pool.
That will eventually change.

However, dust on all accounts is still just sitting there gathering dust.
You can see all your rewards there on the Rewards page.

That's why I've been working on a new accounting system on the pool - so I can send out all the past dust correctly - and allow limits in the future.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Firstly, see Edit2 above in case that's relevant.

Secondly, all payouts on the pool have been your reward per block since I started the pool (as long as it is above dust)
It doesn't combine transactions, or inputs, it sends the rewards to the miners using the block's target transaction and the total leftover dust to the pool.
That will eventually change.

However, dust on all accounts is still just sitting there gathering dust.
You can see all your rewards there on the Rewards page.

That's why I've been working on a new accounting system on the pool - so I can send out all the past dust correctly - and allow limits in the future.

yes I saw the edit and I totally realize that - I am just stating that it would be nice to be able to collect the dust miners are expensive to operate so every bit counts. lol

again I appreciate your responses.

edit: I have also upped myself to 2S9's, 2S9i's and 1 S9J so I doubt any of my future rewards would be considered dust.

[rifleman74]

Firstly, see Edit2 above in case that's relevant.

Secondly, all payouts on the pool have been your reward per block since I started the pool (as long as it is above dust)
It doesn't combine transactions, or inputs, it sends the rewards to the miners using the block's target transaction and the total leftover dust to the pool.
That will eventually change.

However, dust on all accounts is still just sitting there gathering dust.
You can see all your rewards there on the Rewards page.

That's why I've been working on a new accounting system on the pool - so I can send out all the past dust correctly - and allow limits in the future.

yes I saw the edit and I totally realize that - I am just stating that it would be nice to be able to collect the dust miners are expensive to operate so every bit counts. lol

again I appreciate your responses.

edit: I have also upped myself to 2S9's, 2S9i's and 1 S9J so I doubt any of my future rewards would be considered dust.

Well technically you are "collecting" dust", which will be paid paid sometime soon.   The 5 s9's will be more than adequate, just under .005 a block roughly.   

[MoparMiningLLC]

Well technically you are "collecting" dust", which will be paid paid sometime soon.   The 5 s9's will be more than adequate, just under .005 a block roughly.   

.005 per block would be great - if we find one every two days, it would be comparable to slush, i was getting about .0024 per day there with 5. so, a block every day (if lucky) or like one day I saw when looking back, you all had 3 blocks in like a 24 hour period.  a block a day though at current btc would be equal to about 975... hmm I may need to bring all my S9's lol


all in all, mining is fun - there is a lot to learn for sure. but overall the crypto community is great. there are douchebags and scammers but those I think are really not part of the community, they are just involved to abuse it and take advantage of the newbs.

[sergw]

this may make it easy:

543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs   0.09%   31.828G   183.23THs   0.01107239
543172   2018-Sep-26 14:18   12.55768480   35.763T   207hr 56m 29s   205.19PHs   0.09%   31.689G   181.82THs   0.01112725
542713   2018-Sep-23 16:23   12.41669382   35.819T   217hr 11m 49s   196.75PHs   0.09%   32.595G   179.04THs   0.01129887
542525   2018-Sep-22 11:03   12.41692607   35.898T   217hr 41m 50s   196.73PHs   0.09%   32.659G   178.98THs   0.01129670
542434   2018-Sep-21 20:03   12.69758809   35.788T   217hr 42m 22s   196.12PHs   0.09%   32.654G   178.95THs   0.01158567
542394   2018-Sep-21 14:16   12.78682930   35.787T   217hr 50m 32s   195.99PHs   0.09%   32.680G   178.97THs   0.01167651
542174   2018-Sep-20 01:55   12.48917435   35.205T   214hr 8m 39s   196.14PHs   0.09%   32.100G   178.84THs   0.01138752

pardon me, but why for some blocks "Miner Reward" is less than 12.5? is it pool fee?

[kano]

this may make it easy:

543272   2018-Sep-27 08:22   12.45837645   35.812T   207hr 14m 32s   206.16PHs   0.09%   31.828G   183.23THs   0.01107239
543172   2018-Sep-26 14:18   12.55768480   35.763T   207hr 56m 29s   205.19PHs   0.09%   31.689G   181.82THs   0.01112725
542713   2018-Sep-23 16:23   12.41669382   35.819T   217hr 11m 49s   196.75PHs   0.09%   32.595G   179.04THs   0.01129887
542525   2018-Sep-22 11:03   12.41692607   35.898T   217hr 41m 50s   196.73PHs   0.09%   32.659G   178.98THs   0.01129670
542434   2018-Sep-21 20:03   12.69758809   35.788T   217hr 42m 22s   196.12PHs   0.09%   32.654G   178.95THs   0.01158567
542394   2018-Sep-21 14:16   12.78682930   35.787T   217hr 50m 32s   195.99PHs   0.09%   32.680G   178.97THs   0.01167651
542174   2018-Sep-20 01:55   12.48917435   35.205T   214hr 8m 39s   196.14PHs   0.09%   32.100G   178.84THs   0.01138752

pardon me, but why for some blocks "Miner Reward" is less than 12.5? is it pool fee?

Yep, I charge a massive 0.9% of the total
(as it says on Help->Payouts)

[sergw]

Yep, I charge a massive 0.9% of the total
(as it says on Help->Payouts)

ok, np, just to clarify.