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[macbook-air]

..Your transaction was ignored because it did not pay enough fee..

What is 'enough fee' at f2pool? Just for info.

50 satoshi per byte if no dust vouts. You have to pay 3400 satoshi more fee for each dust vout. Our dust threshold is 1820 satoshi.

[philipma1957]

philip I deleted your post, you seem to want to repeat post really big posts
I answered it at the top also.

thank you

I understand the explanation.

[sloopy]

https://blockchain.info/tx/3989f4a2d7cdbcd146e5b9df949c514fd5920e66e9486d4c18bf1681ab7ba3b7

I paid a fee of 0.0001

I know the Chinese pools skip over my transactions,  but both your pool and slush skipped this transaction.

“The Chinese pools” is not one pool. The policy difference between AntPool and us may be as big (or as small) as that between Kano and us. Your transaction was ignored because it did not pay enough fee. But you can always send another transaction with a RBF-compatible client (include “Bitcoin” XT) as we have FSS-RBF activated.

We know one GIANT policy difference you and antpool share which differ from kano and ckpool don't we eh macbook? 

That whole thing about screwing miners and threatening all of us with Denial of Service attacks is tough to shake off when you continue doing it.

[macbook-air]

https://blockchain.info/tx/3989f4a2d7cdbcd146e5b9df949c514fd5920e66e9486d4c18bf1681ab7ba3b7

I paid a fee of 0.0001

I know the Chinese pools skip over my transactions,  but both your pool and slush skipped this transaction.

“The Chinese pools” is not one pool. The policy difference between AntPool and us may be as big (or as small) as that between Kano and us. Your transaction was ignored because it did not pay enough fee. But you can always send another transaction with a RBF-compatible client (include “Bitcoin” XT) as we have FSS-RBF activated.

We know one GIANT policy difference you and antpool share which differ from kano and ckpool don't we eh macbook? 

That whole thing about screwing miners and threatening all of us with Denial of Service attacks is tough to shake off when you continue doing it.

Most of what you think that is threatening "all of you" comes out of nowhere but your narrow mind.

[kano]

threat
θrɛt/
noun
noun: threat; plural noun: threats

    1.
    a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.

lie
[lahy]

noun
1.
a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

@macbook-air
Do you mean that you'll intentionally not build on blocks from Kano.is? I think you need to clarify what you mean by blacklist.

We will not build on his blocks until our local bitcoind got received and verified them in full. This guy leaked our IP addresses to the public, I pm him kindly and begged him to remove them but he refused. If we ever got DDoSed due to his post, we have no choices but point our domains to his pool.

That is a threat and a lie

...
We did not and will not DDoS anyone. And what I said earlier was that we HAVE TO redirect someone else’s attack, including those potential ones from Kano, to Kano’s pool IF that attack is a result of the provoked post of him. Because the attack is caused, directly or indirectly, by him.

... again that is a threat and a lie

[CapnBDL]

WTH is going on? I am not understanding the last few posts. Is kano.is doing battle with another pool? WHY?

Thanks,

CapnBDL
     

[thedreamer]

WTH is going on? I am not understanding the last few posts. Is kano.is doing battle with another pool? WHY?

Thanks,

CapnBDL
     

Yeah. Same here.

[jonnybravo0311]

It's pretty simple... kano has repeatedly pointed out why SPV mining is bad for Bitcoin.  I won't rehash those points, you can dig through multiple posts to find both sides of the argument.  Well, kano started a thread about it and posted some BTC addresses and IP addresses that have been "dead mining" on his pool.  Apparently they were f2pool, and macbook-air took exception to that information being posted.

[bctmke]

It's a shame too.  Oh well.  Comes with the territory I guess

[winspiral]

It's pretty simple... kano has repeatedly pointed out why SPV mining is bad for Bitcoin.  I won't rehash those points, you can dig through multiple posts to find both sides of the argument.  Well, kano started a thread about it and posted some BTC addresses and IP addresses that have been "dead mining" on his pool.  Apparently they were f2pool, and macbook-air took exception to that information being posted.

How can I know if I am dead mining?
...I just mine...I do not know it it is dead or life.

[jonnybravo0311]

Easy... do you have actual mining hardware pointed to the pool?  Are you sending out work and getting accepted shares?  If yes, then you aren't dead mining

[omega015]

How can I know if I am dead mining?

Don't worry, if you are not aware what it means then you wont be doing it.

.... SPV pool simply run a miner to other pools that (what I'd call a 'dead pool miner') listen for block changes and uses that info to generate a new unverified empty block header and then distribute that to their pool's miners through their pool work distribution.

There are other methods that will produce the same result later, but that's the greatest speed up they can use for other pool's blocks.

If you want to know more, google SPV mining (this is what have been doing over past couple of days) or take a look around the forums at some heated conversations. 

[winspiral]

Easy... do you have actual mining hardware pointed to the pool?  Are you sending out work and getting accepted shares?  If yes, then you aren't dead mining

yes...and so around 14 hours a day...(I mine so or I do not mine so if my computer is off)
but what does  "dead mining" mean?

[CapnBDL]

It's pretty simple... kano has repeatedly pointed out why SPV mining is bad for Bitcoin.  I won't rehash those points, you can dig through multiple posts to find both sides of the argument.  Well, kano started a thread about it and posted some BTC addresses and IP addresses that have been "dead mining" on his pool.  Apparently they were f2pool, and macbook-air took exception to that information being posted.

Still 'hashing' over petty bullshite. I'm not gonna bother with reading about it any further. Thanks for the explanation.

CapnBDL
      

[jonnybravo0311]

Easy... do you have actual mining hardware pointed to the pool?  Are you sending out work and getting accepted shares?  If yes, then you aren't dead mining

yes...and so around 14 hours a day...(I mine so or I do not mine so if my computer is off)
but what does  "dead mining" mean?

Dead mining means you are pointing mining software to a pool, but you are not doing any work.  Your miner does nothing but listen for block changes.

[o_solo_miner]

  yeah and you can read at first here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1274066.0

[PCComf]

It's a combination of laziness, greed, and short term thinking.

Laziness because ckpool code is out there, free. I've played with it myself. It's not hard, but it does take a small amount of effort. Any of the big pools could put forth this effort and get ckpool working for themselves, or design their own pool code that didn't SPV mine.

Greed because getting the 25 BTC block reward is more important to them than anything else, including processing transactions or ensuring that the block they are building on is valid.

Short term thinking because if they continue down this path and continue to drag the majority of miners with them, they will eventually cause another fork that will confuse people, especially outsiders, and reduce the overall trustworthiness (value) of Bitcoin.

I think there is something lost in translation because macbook-air doesn't seem to understand that he did threaten kano.is pool and he did lie. The point of the discussion on SPV mining is to get people to stop doing it, but it is being taken personally. As was mentioned elsewhere, there are plenty of ways to damage a SPV pool. Calling them out and trying to convince them to change isn't one of them. Instead of reacting with threats, macbook-air should be reacting with appreciation. The path to stop SPV mining couldn't be laid out any easier for them.

[wolfen]

700 ph network hashrate
We've gone plaid folks.

[omega015]

700 ph network hashrate
We've gone plaid folks.

hope that's only a short burst as that's going to send the difficulty rocketing too 

[sorry2xs]

hope that is just a short burst or the outcome will be a retarget diff. only 101 billion at current hash rate of 751 ph/s