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Author Topic: KanoPool since 2014 🐈 - PPLNS and Solo 0.5% fee - Worldwide - 2436 blocks  (Read 5350576 times)
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December 14, 2015, 10:41:45 PM
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No SPV and no Empty Blocks ...

It is too bad that this needs to even be stated. Mining Empty Blocks defeats the purpose of mining and thereby devalues mining itself. Mining is to continue the blockchain and verify transactions, right?

I don't have enough knowledge on the subject, but I don't understand what advantage anyone thinks they get by mining Empty Blocks. Even if it was 30 seconds quicker to get the work changed over, does it really increase their luck in solving it quicker than any other pool/miner?  Huh

I found an empty block once, I wasn't particularly looking for it and it just happened. I thought it just happened sometimes because you just happen to satisfy the proof-of-work and you couldn't force it or look for those only.
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Your pool/bitcoind configuration decides what transactions are in your block work.

If you configure your bitcoind to ignore transactions with e.g. high relay fee requirements or tiny block size limit, you can drastically reduce the amount of transactions in your blocks you find.

Some pools generate them on purpose - e.g. SPV mining or like how eligius works

The exception to this is if you actually empty the entire transaction list in your bitcoind and then request new work before any new transactions come in.
The two ways to empty it are:
1) restart bitcoind (yeah that should be rare) and ask for work exactly when it first starts before it gets any transaction (very rare)
2) create a block using all the transactions you have in your bitcoind then request new work before any new transactions come in (next to impossible - and also even less likely with how kano.is works)

In the case of kano.is I know it has only happened once ... coz the code didn't allow it ... that problem was item 1)
So I had to fix it to allow it recently.
https://bitbucket.org/ckolivas/ckpool/commits/3e112c73e3c5e4bf59965b263cf65b5547514c88
Of course that wouldn't be a case of ckpool ignoring a block if one was found, that was just the database back end of ckdb needed fixing to store the empty work information.

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Does this pool somehow refuse the 25 BTC if it happens to hit on one? Would anyone?
It wont happen by accident except in such rare situations that it's pretty much valid to say it wont at all unless you configure it to happen.
Even in the rare case where we had empty work here, that was only block work sent to miners, no one actually found any blocks when it happened for the very short time they had 'no transaction' work.
If someone did happen to find a block, yes we'd all get a 25BTC block instead of the typical almost 1% more than that.

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December 14, 2015, 11:00:37 PM
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I'll do a ckpool restart in about 14-16 hours (I'll post here again before I do it)
This will hopefully stop the few miner left who are throwing a large amount of hi diff shares at the pool and causing the exaggerated pool invalid rates shown in the top left.

I'm warning everyone well in advance this time so you'll know if your miners start beeping, why they did Smiley

It's the usual: most miners will see a simple reconnect in cgminer, but a smaller % of miners will fail over then fail back.
Just again to let everyone know, this will be coming up in an hour.
I'll post once more just before then.

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2 minute count down Smiley

Edit: done (4 minutes ago)

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December 14, 2015, 11:01:17 PM
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Ok. Moved 5th over and will move another 5th tomm. And if all goes well in a month I'll move another 10-15th over and wait another month And do the same again

Thank you very much, wikkidtt.  I've been sleeping.  Stayed up too late last night.

I know this block is a bit long at the moment.  A good way of looking at it is your 5N is accumulating.  When a block is found, you are a little higher up in the N range to get a little higher payout.

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December 14, 2015, 11:03:08 PM
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I managed to find a proxy I can use.  Brought 17Th to the pool. Smiley

Edit: Running a proxy does result in slightly higher stales (0.5%)
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December 14, 2015, 11:09:22 PM
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I managed to find a proxy I can use.  Brought 17Th to the pool. Smiley

Edit: Running a proxy does result in slightly higher stales (0.5%)
Yes the added latency will increase stales (at block change time)
Also the new "Show Details for Invalids:" at the top of the workers page will show you exactly why you are getting invalids.

Edit: those stats reset each time we find a block.

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December 14, 2015, 11:12:37 PM
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bringing my buddy to the pool, not big but abt 20+ ths. will be here in couple of hours still early at this part of the world.

let's go rock & roll !

& he might convince his buddy to bring over 160ths.
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December 14, 2015, 11:26:23 PM
Last edit: December 15, 2015, 12:28:05 AM by dmwardjr
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bringing my buddy to the pool, not big but abt 20+ ths. will be here in couple of hours still early at this part of the world.

let's go rock & roll !

& he might convince his buddy to bring over 160ths.

Sounds good...  Thanks for spreading the word!!!

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December 14, 2015, 11:40:27 PM
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I managed to find a proxy I can use.  Brought 17Th to the pool. Smiley

Edit: Running a proxy does result in slightly higher stales (0.5%)
Yes the added latency will increase stales (at block change time)
Also the new "Show Details for Invalids:" at the top of the workers page will show you exactly why you are getting invalids.

Edit: those stats reset each time we find a block.

Very nice work!
I like to pilfer through the details, and this shows quite a comparison between my different miners.

Thanks Kano!

Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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December 15, 2015, 12:04:09 AM
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TPTB
Let's get this block thing going...
More Hash in Transit...
Really looking forward to the Ava6...

Cheers Guys (and thanks Kano for keeping it up)

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December 15, 2015, 12:17:12 AM
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Just remember, for all the new miners coming in Smiley

The 5Nd means it takes that long to pay your shares.
The ramp isn't missing payouts, it's delaying them to reduce variance.

Your shares are rewarded in all blocks found in the 5Nd (currently about 4.5 days) after they are submitted.
Thus they get rewarded ~1/5 of their value per block found, with an expected average of ~5 rewards (if luck is 100%) in 5 blocks

That's simply how it reduces variance, each share's reward is averaged out over the (currently) 4.5 days after it.

+1. You might want to put that on your home page. It's a very clear & concise  explanation.
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December 15, 2015, 12:21:03 AM
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Hashrate on worker page is 2/3 of actual.

For those about to block we salute you! AC->BTC
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December 15, 2015, 12:26:37 AM
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@Kano
Might want to change the " [2900 TH] Kano CKPool ", sound pretty odd nowadays...
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December 15, 2015, 12:43:31 AM
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Hashrate on worker page is 2/3 of actual.

slowly coming back.

ck/kano u "bumped" into something ? or u gave it a "knock" asking where's the block ?
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December 15, 2015, 12:45:55 AM
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@Kano
Might want to change the " [2900 TH] Kano CKPool ", sound pretty odd nowadays...
SCNR
Updated to say 5PH
near enough Smiley

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December 15, 2015, 12:46:51 AM
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Hashrate on worker page is 2/3 of actual.
me too down about 5ths

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December 15, 2015, 12:47:59 AM
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Hashrate on worker page is 2/3 of actual.

slowly coming back.

ck/kano u "bumped" into something ? or u gave it a "knock" asking where's the block ?
Here's a fun statistic for anyone asking where the next block is Smiley

At any particular point in time, no matter how long you have been mining, the next block is expected to be 100% Diff from now.

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December 15, 2015, 12:50:02 AM
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@Kano
Might want to change the " [2900 TH] Kano CKPool ", sound pretty odd nowadays...
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Updated to say 5PH
near enough Smiley

would like to see some 0's behind the 5. lets make it happen guys. ! my buddy is setting up his miners now all rerouted from ant to K pool as i type.
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December 15, 2015, 12:51:47 AM
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Hashrate on worker page is 2/3 of actual.
Hash rate takes 3x the decay value to get close to the expected value.
Or ... 5min stat takes about 15minutes.
1hr stat takes about 3hours.

Of course there's also the usual fact that even after 3hours most (ant) miners share variance is too high to assume it will be correct Smiley

If you think it's wrong you need to include saying how long it's been connected.

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December 15, 2015, 12:59:35 AM
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the 2 S5+ have been connected close to 6 days the sp yukon 25 minutes,  Smiley

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December 15, 2015, 01:03:58 AM
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@Kano
Might want to change the " [2900 TH] Kano CKPool ", sound pretty odd nowadays...
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Updated to say 5PH
near enough Smiley
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