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 Author Topic: [40-400PH] KanoPool kano.is 0.9%fee 4.1of10BTC giveaway 🐈 US,UK,JP,NYA,OR,DE,SG  (Read 5195586 times) This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic.
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 April 13, 2018, 11:55:11 AM

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Can someone explain me the relationship between them?
How can I calculate the time of 5Nd based on the pool rate?
Thank you.
The 5Nd is a number of shares, not a length of time.

You can convert it to a time if the pool hash rate never changed, but of course the pool hash rate changes all the time.
That time is how long 5Nd would take at that pool hash rate and if the hash rate didn't change.

A pool hash rate is (usually) measured in PH/s so lets say the pool is P PH/s
So if 5Nd is X (as shown on the web site it is currently 17,555,302,764,498.5)
Then at a fixed P PH/s a 5Nd of X will take:
(X * 2^32) / (P * 10^15)
or in that case (17,555,302,764,498.5 * 2^32) / (149.49 * 10^15) = 504,378 seconds = 5.83 days

I have a post about how you can estimate how much of the 5Nd you've been submitting shares ...
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=789369.msg29218581#msg29218581

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 April 13, 2018, 12:54:54 PM

Does Canaan take BTC? I see their site says "We will give you wiring instructions and a final invoice."
.... Sure reads like bank wire only to me. Ya know, no mention of other payment methods...
I assume you are looking at a bulk order of 60 or more as that is the only way Canaan sells direct now.
All their distributors do take BTC.
Und really should ask in the right areas t keep thread on-point...

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 April 13, 2018, 01:50:19 PM

Forgive my ignorance but can someone please explain why the reward appears to be slowly shrinking?  I understood that the reward would reduce slightly as more hashing power came to the pool (more users creating more hashing power relative to me)  But the reward is stilll slowly shrinking while the pool's overall hash rate also appears to be shrinking slightly?  Last week it was something like 168K TH/S now its around 150K TH/S but the reward given yesterday (for my unchained hash rate is still slightly smaller).

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 April 13, 2018, 01:53:40 PM

With a single machine there's about a \$2.25 difference per week at the current BTC-USD rate. Maybe worth it if I get more machines running.

I ran it also if I ran it during the very expensive portion of the peak time and I would lose \$.25 per week there. So, I could probably talk myself into giving the pool that hash and not stop it. But I'd still be saving using the peak/off-peak instead of just the straight cost.
I have no idea how to factor wear and tear of the miner, but it would seem that allowing the system to cool down then warm up every day may have an impact on the chips physically.  It may make them last longer or it may cause expansion / contraction issues over time.  Something to consider - but I have no knowledge which way is which.  Mine runs 24x7 and (knock wood) has not had an issue for 9 months now.

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 April 13, 2018, 01:56:58 PM

If anyone running 2 s9s wants to share some numbers for the past 30 days with me to compare with slush let me know. Kano pool had a banging march, and I'd like to compare that vs. the tortoise that is slush.
minergain has historical stats on the home page for kano and slush.  multiply your hash rate times days by the CDT (Coin per Day per Th).

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 April 13, 2018, 02:00:39 PM

Forgive my ignorance but can someone please explain why the reward appears to be slowly shrinking?  I understood that the reward would reduce slightly as more hashing power came to the pool (more users creating more hashing power relative to me)  But the reward is stilll slowly shrinking while the pool's overall hash rate also appears to be shrinking slightly?  Last week it was something like 168K TH/S now its around 150K TH/S but the reward given yesterday (for my unchained hash rate is still slightly smaller).

Ramp up/ramp down.  You also have to look at each individual block reward, some are bigger than others.

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 April 13, 2018, 02:00:45 PM

Minergains numbers are often very wrong. I'm well aware of the website.
I still would love someone to review the numbers!!!  Par Avion, would you be willing to review my code / data - please???

One thing to note is that the Kano numbers are estimates until someone uploads their reward page which then makes them accurate (I think). I try to do it after the block, but it would be great if more people would do it so the numbers do not need to rely on me...  I was traveling last night, so just uploaded the last block - so was somewhat wrong all night...  Oh, and I get an email every time someone uploads their rewards page, so I know nobody else is doing it - yet!

I have also changed the rewards page so that you can get daily, weekly, monthly or yearly summaries with dollars based on when the blocks are found and dollars based on the current BTC price.  It also shares grand totals and dollars per day.

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 April 13, 2018, 02:04:00 PMLast edit: April 13, 2018, 02:41:02 PM by minergain.com

I calculated my 7 day CDT from block 516833 to block 517900 (6.7 days) to be 0.00008112 as opposed to 0.00006588 calculated at Minergain - maybe the numbers at Minergain are slightly off?
Remember that the CDT values are based on this exact minute, so if you check it right when a block is last found (give it a minute to get everything recalced), it should be much closer.  The more  minutes you get away from that, the more the value can change.  I also do have some caching going on which can cause minor differences (6 to 7 decimal places of resolution if I were to guess).

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 April 13, 2018, 03:36:11 PM

I calculated my 7 day CDT from block 516833 to block 517900 (6.7 days) to be 0.00008112 as opposed to 0.00006588 calculated at Minergain - maybe the numbers at Minergain are slightly off?
Remember that the CDT values are based on this exact minute, so if you check it right when a block is last found (give it a minute to get everything recalced), it should be much closer.  The more  minutes you get away from that, the more the value can change.  I also do have some caching going on which can cause minor differences (6 to 7 decimal places of resolution if I were to guess).

Maybe could change this to 0000 UTC (or daily) rather than have it calculate up to the minute?

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 April 13, 2018, 05:10:37 PM

Something is quiet here, are  all asleep?
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 April 13, 2018, 05:17:51 PM

Something is quiet here, are  all asleep?

Shhhh..  we are sneaking up on the next block...

Then we are going to BTCeat it until it cracks and mug it and take all the money from it!

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 April 13, 2018, 05:22:08 PM

Something is quiet here, are  all asleep?

Shhhh..  we are sneaking up on the next block...

Then we are going to BTCeat it until it cracks and mug it and take all the money from it!

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 April 13, 2018, 05:42:25 PM

ZoInKs!!! Scoobs and I were asleep again. We woke up to some jingling of twinkelbels and dropped some of Scooby's hash snacks. Like, we're still a little groggy so we'll pick them back up later. Enjoy your snacks in the meantime!!
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 April 13, 2018, 06:01:43 PM

Sssssh, be vewy vewy quet.  We're hunting wabbits.

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 April 13, 2018, 06:53:12 PM

I calculated my 7 day CDT from block 516833 to block 517900 (6.7 days) to be 0.00008112 as opposed to 0.00006588 calculated at Minergain - maybe the numbers at Minergain are slightly off?
Remember that the CDT values are based on this exact minute, so if you check it right when a block is last found (give it a minute to get everything recalced), it should be much closer.  The more  minutes you get away from that, the more the value can change.  I also do have some caching going on which can cause minor differences (6 to 7 decimal places of resolution if I were to guess).

Maybe could change this to 0000 UTC (or daily) rather than have it calculate up to the minute?

I could - but to do that accurately, wouldn't I have to exclude today's blocks to actually have 7 days (and 30, etc)?  As it stands, for the 7 day one, I grab all blocks that have been found in the last 10,080 minutes (if my quick math is right).

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 April 13, 2018, 07:53:13 PM

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 April 13, 2018, 07:56:46 PM

Well I'll be damned! Rather like Coke admitting they screwed up when they changed their formula, Bitmain blinked!
After trying push BitCH down our throats by dropping acceptance of BTC for so long have they perhaps seen the error of their ways?

Probably not. And also still will not sway me to again use Bitmain Ants.

Does Canaan take BTC? I see their site says "We will give you wiring instructions and a final invoice."

I think they are expecting a wire transfer if it says that
There was (at least a week or two ago) further verbage that defined wire transfers only for larger orders. BTC taken otherwise. Since you're going to have to buy from Blokforge or someone else anyway, that shouldn't be a consideration unless you want to be a distributor...and then you're not going to be doing "small" orders.

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 April 13, 2018, 07:59:13 PM

BTCig BTClock Weekend is here!!! Bust out your dancing shoes!!! Goodluck EVERYONE!!!

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 April 13, 2018, 10:58:03 PMLast edit: April 13, 2018, 11:11:58 PM by kano

Forgive my ignorance but can someone please explain why the reward appears to be slowly shrinking?  I understood that the reward would reduce slightly as more hashing power came to the pool (more users creating more hashing power relative to me)  But the reward is stilll slowly shrinking while the pool's overall hash rate also appears to be shrinking slightly?  Last week it was something like 168K TH/S now its around 150K TH/S but the reward given yesterday (for my unchained hash rate is still slightly smaller).

Look at the Pool->Graph to see what the pool hash rate is doing.
No need to guess or remember a sample
Yes the hash rate has decreased a bit, but the average over 5Nd has still gone up.

If the average hash rate increases, the reward per TH per block will decrease.
But the expected number of blocks per 'day' increases.

However, you can see on the rewards page itself, exactly what happens with each block we find:
The pool average hash rate over the 5Nd is "Pool N Avg"
the reward for that block is "Miner Reward"
and your average hash rate over the 5Nd is "Your N Avg"

However, 2 of those are calculations, so you are actually better to look at the numbers used:
The pool diff over the 5Nd is "N Diff"
the reward for that block is "Miner Reward"

Thus your reward is affected by those 2.
So if "Your N Diff"/"N Diff" goes up, you expect to get more per block.
If "Miner Reward" goes up, you expect to get more per block.

but since it depends on all 3 numbers, then the overall result can be up or down depending on which changes the most.

"N Diff" doesn't change much per diff change (random based on where 5Nd hits the starting shift)
It 'usually' goes up each diff change - each 2016 blocks - approx every 2 weeks.

"Your N Diff" will go down if the pool average hash rate over 5Nd goes up - since that means it took less time to get to 5Nd so you had less time to submit shares, so you will have submitted less Diff over the 5Nd.

Edit: I forgot to mention
"N Range" is the time used in the calculations.
e.g. "Pool N Avg" = "N Diff" / "N Range"