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[coinft]

Nothing is wrong with Goat's reputation here. He did exactly what was advertised, in allowing people to profit off of Pirate's ponzi scheme while keeping their assets liquid. This meant you could use these bonds as a gambling device to get pirate-interest, but then sell them before the (inevitable) default announcement.

+1

And man, I didn't expect buyers were that eager in the end.

[totaleclipseofthebank]

Nothing is wrong with Goat's reputation here. He did exactly what was advertised, in allowing people to profit off of Pirate's ponzi scheme while keeping their assets liquid. This meant you could use these bonds as a gambling device to get pirate-interest, but then sell them before the (inevitable) default announcement.

+1

And man, I didn't expect buyers were that eager in the end.

I got incredibly lucky and sold all my TYGRR-BOND.P after holding it for about 6 weeks. (~40% interest on a small holding). I sold on Aug. 8th after getting a bad feeling.

I was fully aware that it was a ponzi the entire time. (you can check my post history).

My model for Pirate's ponzi predicted a default sometime from Aug-Oct this year.

The thing about ponzi's is that they always default SOONER than even the most bearish expect. This is because by the time everyone has heard of them, there is no money left. If you have heard of a HYIP, chances are you are already in the endgame/sucker stage, simply due to the required growth pattern.

My GLBSE coins are now all in YABMC, BITBOND and PUREMINING, and I recommend these GLBSE assets, because they seem at least somewhat legit. Although I expect a 30-50% chance of getting burned on these investments.

[nimda]

Nothing is wrong with Goat's reputation here. He did exactly what was advertised, in allowing people to profit off of Pirate's ponzi scheme while keeping their assets liquid. This meant you could use these bonds as a gambling device to get pirate-interest, but then sell them before the (inevitable) default announcement.

+1

And man, I didn't expect buyers were that eager in the end.

I got incredibly lucky and sold all my TYGRR-BOND.P after holding it for about 6 weeks. (~40% interest on a small holding). I sold on Aug. 8th after getting a bad feeling.

I was fully aware that it was a ponzi the entire time. (you can check my post history).

My model for Pirate's ponzi predicted a default sometime from Aug-Oct this year.

The thing about ponzi's is that they always default SOONER than even the most bearish expect. This is because by the time everyone has heard of them, there is no money left. If you have heard of a HYIP, chances are you are already in the endgame/sucker stage, simply due to the required growth pattern.

My GLBSE coins are now all in YABMC, BITBOND and PUREMINING, and I recommend these GLBSE assets, because they seem at least somewhat legit. Although I expect a 30-50% chance of getting burned on these investments.

You should go take free money from MNW. I hear he's giving away amounts of up to 250 BTC per person.

[Raoul Duke]

72 hours(3 days) passed since payment due? I very much doubt that.

You better learn how to count time... So far, you're only trying to screw up your investors, especially because less than 24hrs passed since you started owing them.

[silverbox]

72 hours(3 days) passed since payment due? I very much doubt that.

You better learn how to count time... So far, you're only trying to screw up your investors.

i requested a withdraw... its in the threads...

Yup for 5k, I remember goat mentioning it.

[piotr_n]

Hehe - I knew that Goat hasn't yet done the last thing that would surprise me.

Can you believe that since Pirate announced the close down of BS&T, Goat has been putting more TYGRR.BOND-P bonds on the market?

If you check the number of bonds out there, which you can do using this link: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P
... you will see that now there are 28107
Few hours ago there were 28101
Two days ago - if I remember well - the number was below 28000
On August 14th there were 27895 bonds (which you can see in the div history table)

So he is shorting his own bonds and at highly undervalued price.
We can only hope that he has enough BTC to backup such an investment, after Pirate eventually pays out.
But he should have, after he screwed up the TYGRR.BOND-PI investors so smoothly...

[MrTeal]

How do you figure that he's shorting them?

[piotr_n]

How do you figure that he's shorting them, and not merely buying them buying them back?

If he was buying them back, the number under the link would be getting lower.
And the number has been getting higher - so he is selling the bonds onto the market.

Check the PI bonds: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-PI
This number has been getting lower, from over 1200 - means he's buying back these.

[MrTeal]

How do you figure that he's shorting them, and not merely buying them buying them back?

If he was buying them back, the number under the link would be getting lower.
And the number has been getting higher - so he is selling the bonds onto the market.

Check the PI bonds: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-PI
This number has been getting lower, from over 1200 - means he's buying back these.

I must have read that incorrectly, I thought you were stating the number was going down.So you contention out actually depositing the 1BTC required by the contract, correct.is that Goat is issuing new bonds with

[piotr_n]

Yes - that was basically my point.
If he is so much about fulfilling the contract, then why is he still selling PPT bonds, knowing that he cannot deposit the funds into BS&T anymore?

He's obviously just gambling against the people who are holding his bonds.
Not too much - he hasn't sold thousands, but a couple of hundreds is enough to give you an idea of what this guy's "honest" business looks like.

[MrTeal]

Yes - that was basically my point.
If he is so much about fulfilling the contract, then why is he still selling PPT bonds, knowing that he cannot deposit the funds into BS&T anymore?

He's obviously just gambling against the people who are holding his bonds.
Not too much - he hasn't sold thousands, but a couple of hundreds is enough to give you an idea of what this guy's "honest" business looks like.

God dammit. I hate posting on the forums with my phone. You get the idea.

If that's what he's doing it I wonder why the price of Tygrr is still so much higher than FOO or BIB passthroughs

[cytokine]

My GLBSE coins are now all in YABMC, BITBOND and PUREMINING, and I recommend these GLBSE assets, because they seem at least somewhat legit. Although I expect a 30-50% chance of getting burned on these investments.

Good luck with those assets...

[macboy80]

72 hours(3 days) passed since payment due? I very much doubt that.

You better learn how to count time... So far, you're only trying to screw up your investors.

i requested a withdraw... its in the threads...

Yup for 5k, I remember goat mentioning it.

Thanks, it is sad that people like psy attack before reading   What a Fussy Prick I must be...

Edit: Psy's website  http://bitcoin-shitlist.com/2012/02/24/chaang-noi-goat-is-a-fussy-prick/ 

Unfortunately, I think everyone involved in the BS&T era will get shit for it, no matter what they say, do, or how the contract reads. If this thing ends badly, people are going to hate whoever they can. I for one have been able to come out of this thing up about 65% from where I started. Goat, I thank you for the opportunity and look forward to your next venture.

[piotr_n]

Second that troll is a troll. He is on my ignore list... I have been buying these bonds at a good discount. I currently have bids in. This guy is just a troll with FUD.

You have no honor whatsoever, you fucking liar.

GLBSE API don't lie.
But if it is not enough for you, we can always ask Nefario to check if you have sold any TYGRR.BOND-P since Pirate announced the close down.
Because if you haven't - it means GLBSE's API is broken...
So, should I file the bug report, quoting your post and my observations of that the API returns?

[piotr_n]

Second that troll is a troll. He is on my ignore list... I have been buying these bonds at a good discount. I currently have bids in. This guy is just a troll with FUD.

You have no honor whatsoever, you fucking liar.

GLBSE API don't lie.
But if it is not enough for you, we can always ask Nefario to check if you have sold any TYGRR.BOND-P since Pirate announced the close down.
Because if you haven't - it means GLBSE's API is broken...
So, should I file the bug report?

Yeah, Ask Nefario. I did not sell any P bonds, however I did buy...

Once you ask I expect an apology... 

OK!

[szuetam]

Hehe - I knew that Goat hasn't yet done the last thing that would surprise me.

Can you believe that since Pirate announced the close down of BS&T, Goat has been putting more TYGRR.BOND-P bonds on the market?

If you check the number of bonds out there, which you can do using this link: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P
... you will see that now there are 28107
Few hours ago there were 28101
Two days ago - if I remember well - the number was below 28000
On August 14th there were 27895 bonds (which you can see in the div history table)

So he is shorting his own bonds and at highly undervalued price.
We can only hope that he has enough BTC to backup such an investment, after Pirate eventually pays out.
But he should have, after he screwed up the TYGRR.BOND-PI investors so smoothly...

You got to be kidding me?

Goat, I'm sure you have a good explanation for this.

I'll repeat loud and clear, Pirate has not defaulted. A late payment is not a default, he explained why is late and that he will repay us, he's still around everyday, this is not a default.

Hi, where he gave this explanation? Could you give me some link or sth?

[Vladimir]

Yep, delay is not default. But you do not have to wait all that long, a week or two and this will be clear as day to all but most die-hard delusional "investors".

[piotr_n]

The contract doesn't say a word about pirate defaulting or not - so who cares what Goat thinks about some alleged Pirate's default?
I don't.

The contract states clearly (quoting):
1) This is a pass through bond to BTCST.
2) The money gained from the selling of these bonds will go to BTCST.
3) This bond is not guaranteed but will be honored at best effort.
4) The bond will not be bought back unless BTCST refunds the deposit.

Read the above and think...
Even assuming that I am stupid or GLBSE API is wrong, and Goat has not recently put any of his bonds while being unable to deposit a relevant amount into BTCST...
Even assuming that he bought them back, as he claims - it is still violating the contract.

So, cut off the crap!

[szuetam]

Or he bought it before selling bonds.
He just bought it before and sell rest of it in time you are talking about.
What wrong is with that?

[piotr_n]

Or he bought it before selling bonds.
He just bought it before and sell rest of it in time you are talking about.
What wrong is with that?

He doesn't need to buy before selling - he is the bonds' issuer and he has unlimited number of them.
The only thing that counts is this number: https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/TYGRR.BOND-P - total number of bonds own by anyone except Goat.
And according to his own contract, this number had no right to change since the BS&T close down was announced.