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Quoting users without permission is against freenode policy.  If you wish to have full context, I'd suggest you join #btcst.

Oh NOES the boss is getting his ass reamed! Off to the CENSORMOBILE!!!!

* Topic for #btcst-trust is: "Bitcoin Savings & Trust | Update at 8:30pm CST (-5). Invite Only
* Topic for #btcst-trust set by pirateat40!~pirateat4@unaffiliated/pirateat40 at Wed Aug 29 04:13:19 2012
<hashking> lol
<copumpkin> omg it's the hypergoat
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<hashking> I will need a lawyers number also before I give out any information as you are the one that has messed this up.
<pirateat40> Thanks guys, have a good night.
<Chaang-Noi> giving us 48 hours to make a list or not get btc is fail...
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<[\\\]> pirateat40, how much of this is for public dissemination
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<pirateat40> Anything said on IRC can be made public.
<[\\\]> ok
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September 02, 2012, 04:33:40 AM
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No one cares about OpenTransactions, it's difficult to use and the problem it's tying to solve is the wrong one, the problem is key management.

GLBSE used to have all clients sign their orders with their private key, pretty soon because obvious that this wasn't going to scale as more and more people lost their keys

Nefario!

I think a year or two ago, it would have been a fair accusation that the OT API was difficult to use, which is probably the timeframe when you last played around with it.

But since then, an extremely powerful, high-level API has been added on top of the original API.  (Kind of like how the "GPG Made Easy" high-level API was added on top of GPG.)

I encourage you to check out some examples of this, just to see just how easy it has become for developers to use the OT API:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=86710.msg1003087#msg1003087

While OT does not yet have a real GUI, I assure you that if I ever personally produce a commercial GUI, it will be easy enough "for Grandma to use."
You all have a head-start on me, in this regard.   :-)  I encourage everyone to take advantage of that head start.

As for a command line interface, OT's original CLI was much too low-level. But now, OT has a new CLI which is written entirely in the OT script language. Type "opentxs list" or "opentxs help" to see all the commands that are available to you. Furthermore, look in the ot_commands.ot script file to see the source code for each and every one of those commands. Notice how easy they all are, and short their code is--just like the examples in the above link. You can make any scripts you wish, with full access to the OT high-level (and low level) APIs.

I have also posted some instructional videos on how to use the new CLI: http://open-transactions-tv.github.com/

Soon I will be posting instructional videos on how to use the high-level API as well.
There are also some instructions posted here (updated recently to demonstrate the high level API instead of the low level one): https://github.com/FellowTraveler/Open-Transactions/wiki/Use-Cases

But for you, Nefario, I will make it even more special:  I will happily sit down with you anytime and personally train you on the CLI / API because after you come back here and tell everyone how easy and fun it now is to write software using OT, everyone will believe you, because you already put your name on the line that you think it's too difficult. I believe you are man enough that you will admit when you are wrong, and that will be good publicity for me.

As for Key Management, I wanted to add that I believe you are completely correct. A good integration for OT would be an integration in KeePassX, for example. (Or Chrome... or Skype...) and I have already put a lot of serious thought into turning the main OT client, whenever that is actually written, into a key manager. FYI, in case you didn't already know, OT is already integrated with Gnome Keyring, Mac Keychain, and Windows DPAPI. But beyond that, a future version of OT will support multiple signers on accounts, as well as the ability for people to expire/inherit accounts. OT doesn't have true corporate ownership of funds (yet) but the owner Nym is now able to pay dividends to stockholders, which is a good first step. I am also looking at key-splitting and multi-factor authentication, but those things will probably not be inside the OT library proper, but rather, a potential commercial client. (Everything in its place.)

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September 02, 2012, 06:49:26 AM
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I can only wonder what would that collective legal action be?
I guess the first thing you'd need to do is to collect evidence who of you ownes how many bonds - and provide them to Pirate as your claim.
Which is exactly what he has asked you to do, but you dont want to do this. Smiley
So what the hell would you want to sue him for? Fot not paying yor money to Goat? Obviously he does need to pay them to Goat after declared default - though he wants to pay them directly to you. I dont understand why you dont want Goat and Nefario to give your withdrawal address to Pirate so he could pay you out directly. Instead you plan to sue him...
Have you thought about doing MRI? Because I think that maybe you should

My God piotr_n... before insulting me, did it ever occur to you that *I DO NOT OWN ANY TYGRR.BOND-P SHARES AT ALL*??
Not rellly... it did not occur to me - not at all.

This is a topic about TYGRR.BOND-P bonds so coming here to scream out that you are going to sue Pirate in a "collective legal action" even though you DO NOT OWN ANY TYGRR.BOND-P SHARES AT ALL - this not only entirely off-toppic, but also a bit crazy.
Do you even have any of your money locked inside BS&T - directly or through some other PPT? Because if not, then it wouldn't have been a bit crazy, but it would be just crazy.
So either way, I'm holding to the MRI suggestion. Some brain defects can be cured if diagnosed early.

But to get the topic back on the track, may I ask; what is your opinion about Goat and Nefario refusing to provide Pirate with the list of people who own the TYGRR.BOND-P bonds?
Do you think that's what they should do - or do you think they should provide Pirate with the requested information?

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September 02, 2012, 06:52:24 AM
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I can only wonder what would that collective legal action be?
I guess the first thing you'd need to do is to collect evidence who of you ownes how many bonds - and provide them to Pirate as your claim.
Which is exactly what he has asked you to do, but you dont want to do this. Smiley
So what the hell would you want to sue him for? Fot not paying yor money to Goat? Obviously he does need to pay them to Goat after declared default - though he wants to pay them directly to you. I dont understand why you dont want Goat and Nefario to give your withdrawal address to Pirate so he could pay you out directly. Instead you plan to sue him...
Have you thought about doing MRI? Because I think that maybe you should

My God piotr_n... before insulting me, did it ever occur to you that *I DO NOT OWN ANY TYGRR.BOND-P SHARES AT ALL*??
Not rellly... it did not occur to me - not at all.
This is a topic about TYGRR.BOND-P bonds so coming here to scream out that you are going to sue Pirate in a "collective legal action" even though you DO NOT OWN ANY TYGRR.BOND-P SHARES AT ALL - this not only entirely off-toppic, but also a bit crazy.
Do you even have any of your money locked inside BS&T - directly or through some other PPT? Because if not, then it wouldn't have been a bit crazy, but it would be just crazy.
So either way, I'm holding to the MRI suggestion. Some brain defects can be cured if diagnosed early.

But to get the topic back on the track, may I ask; what is your opinion about Goat and Nefario refusing to provide Pirate with the list of people who own the TYGRR.BOND-P bonds?
Do you think that's what they should do - or do you think they should provide Pirate with the requested information?



The only person pirate has an account with is Goat. If Nefario hands over account information to some random guy who simply asks for it its both illegal and immoral.

Its not going to happen so just drop it and blame the real asshole who stole your money.

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September 02, 2012, 06:56:55 AM
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The only person pirate has an account with is Goat. If Nefario hands over account information to some random guy who simply asks for it its both illegal and immoral.

Its not going to happen so just drop it and blame the real asshole who stole your money.
But we were talking about collective legal actions - not about blaming.
To be honest, for such a stupidity as handling  lots of my money to a person who I had no reasons to trust - for this I would have probably blamed only myself.

So assuming that I do own tons of TYGRR.BOND-P bonds (since they were so cheap recently) and Pirate did return the deposits to all the lenders, except for Goat.
Should I then sue Pirate - or should I sue Goat and Nefario?

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I would've thought you'd sue the man who has the BTC?

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I would've thought you'd sue the man who has the BTC?
And how are you going to prove that the man has your BTC, while you have been using his service through other parties (in this case Goat and Nefario), who are refusing to cooperate in the BS&T's default process?

Taking Pirate to court will do you nothing, before taking to court Goat and Nefario for refusing to provide the proofs which you need to eventually sue Pirate.

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@pirateat40 | The PPT that didn't' comply will have a long road ahead.  Those that contacted me ahead of time "Friday" are clear.
@pirateat40 | I'm wanted to speak for awhile now, but I someone stole my ship.

@pirateat40 | Finally things are progressing and I've returned to my boat.
@pirateat40 | It's going to get better to some, I promise.     
@pirateat40 | That's all for now, back to your regularly scheduled trolling.         


Is that the whole conversation?  It would be helpful to see it in the context of other comments.

I wonder if it is just trolling. Cuz pirate said "the PPT".

Anyway it seems Pirate wants to play more games so it looks like this is not going to get resolved.

I want to let everyone know that at this point I will potentially take legal action and potentially press criminal charges.


I'm having trouble believing those comments were the entire conversation and understanding why it's not being disclosed in full.  I wouldn't read much into "the PPT", though - it's a valid abbreviation for Pirate Pass-Throughs.

It's hard to know to what extent pirate's just playing games based on some cherry-picked quotes but his failure to disclose contact details for his lawyers isn't a sign of good faith.
 

As you can see, rest of the conversation is  relatively meaningless but I'll post it here.

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2012-09-01 21:28:52     jimbit  its called cya
2012-09-01 21:28:55     [\\\]   of course, I cannot speak for pirate, he doesn't tell me anything Sad
2012-09-01 21:29:01     jcpham  i blame imsaguy for everything
2012-09-01 21:00:29:05     jimbit  lol
2012-09-01 21:29:09     [\\\]   that fucking asshole
2012-09-01 21:29:13     jcpham  yep
2012-09-01 21:29:20     @pirateat40     The PPT that didn't' comply will have a long road ahead.  Those that contacted me ahead of time "Friday" are clear.
2012-09-01 21:29:27     jcpham  he promised me the moon and stars
2012-09-01 21:29:36     jcpham  and then once i sent the coin
2012-09-01 21:29:36     [\\\]   lol "Friday"
2012-09-01 21:29:40     jcpham  ignored me
2012-09-01 21:29:48     Smoovious       and the ones who can't comply even if they wanted to?
2012-09-01 21:29:55     [\\\]   pirateat40: is there just one ppt that didn't comply or should that have a "s" at the end?
2012-09-01 21:30:18     @pirateat40     I'm wanted to speak for awhile now, but I someone stole my ship.
2012-09-01 21:30:20     Gladamas        pirateat40, did complying mean sending all of their subaccount-users info, or just the ppt op's info?
2012-09-01 21:30:30     eskimobob       why do you need TYGR's bond holders names?
2012-09-01 21:30:40     [\\\]   hey eskimobob, didn't I ban you?
2012-09-01 21:30:46     robocoin        pirateat40, did payb.tc reply to you?
2012-09-01 21:30:49     eskimobob       go to GLBSE; open up a account and set the bid wall - you are done
2012-09-01 21:30:51     @pirateat40     Finally things are progressing and I've returned to my boat.
2012-09-01 21:31:05     runlinux        that's good to hear pirateat40
2012-09-01 21:31:10     @pirateat40     It's going to get better to some, I promise.
2012-09-01 21:31:12     Eisenhower34    "progressing" means what?
2012-09-01 21:31:21     [\\\]   Eisenhower34: generally "moving along"
2012-09-01 21:31:24     runlinux        hey, i don't care what it means at this point
2012-09-01 21:31:29     eskimobob       [\\\]: i guess you realized you made a mistake. Thank you for that. This is only channel for any information
2012-09-01 21:31:31     runlinux        it means yesterday < today Smiley
2012-09-01 21:31:41     [\\\]   eskimobob: then lets keep it to facts
2012-09-01 21:31:42     @pirateat40     That's all for now, back to your regularly scheduled trolling.
2012-09-01 21:31:46     runlinux        doh!
2012-09-01 21:31:48     runlinux        lol
2012-09-01 21:31:58     eskimobob       [\\\]: I always do
2012-09-01 21:31:58     runlinux        later!
2012-09-01 21:31:59     Eisenhower34    so all you say was things are progessing...
2012-09-01 21:32:01     CrazyHarold     pirateat40, go fuck yourself. thanks for nothing.
2012-09-01 21:32:05     [\\\]   eskimobob: that isn't true
2012-09-01 21:32:16     [\\\]   .kb CrazyHarold Have a nice day.
2012-09-01 21:32:16     --      Mode #btcst [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.105.164.184] by imsaguy2
2012-09-01 21:32:16     <--     imsaguy2 has kicked CrazyHarold (Have a nice day.)
2012-09-01 21:32:17     Eisenhower34    i mean.. there is no info at all in this statement
2012-09-01 21:32:26     jcpham  he can have that opinion
2012-09-01 21:32:26     Smoovious       ahh, can just feel the love CH has...
2012-09-01 21:32:30     Smoovious       :eyerolls:
2012-09-01 21:32:33     Eisenhower34    when do you intend to pay? how much do you intend to pay?
2012-09-01 21:32:35     jcpham  who was that
2012-09-01 21:32:35     Mqrius  Eisenhower34: You have to read between the lines
2012-09-01 21:32:42     Smoovious       jcpham: who cares
2012-09-01 21:32:44     [\\\]   jcpham: fuck if I care.
2012-09-01 21:32:56     jcpham  why am i the only stalker

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September 02, 2012, 08:33:39 AM
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I would've thought you'd sue the man who has the BTC?
And how are you going to prove that the man has your BTC, while you have been using his service through other parties (in this case Goat and Nefario), who are refusing to cooperate in the BS&T's default process?

Taking Pirate to court will do you nothing, before taking to court Goat and Nefario for refusing to provide the proofs which you need to eventually sue Pirate.


Pirate doesnt fucking need Goat or Nefario to give him shit. All he has to do is setup a bid wall on glbse for the bonds.

Are you so retarded this doesnt compute ?

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Pirate doesnt fucking need Goat or Nefario to give him shit. All he has to do is setup a bid wall on glbse for the bonds.

Are you so retarded this doesnt compute ?
You're funny Smiley

Who the fuck you are to tell Pirate what he does have to do?
For me he seems like a sane person who knows well what he has to do - why would he ever listen to advises of such a retard as you?
Besides I already answered this question: Pirate would have to be crazy opening GLBSE account, since he likely already knows what I know: that Nefario is a thief, Goat's bitch, and a cheeky bastard.

I asked Pirate already at the 17th to not pay the PPT OPs directly, because the BS&T liquidation created a perfect opportunity for them to screw over their little customers.
And that Goat was going to screw his little customers badly on the TYGRR.BOND-P bonds - you don't need to look far, since many proofs are in this thread.

Back then Pirate had refused my request, but it seems that now he has decided to fulfill it, after realizing that this could indeed have been a case.


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Pirate doesnt fucking need Goat or Nefario to give him shit. All he has to do is setup a bid wall on glbse for the bonds.

Are you so retarded this doesnt compute ?
You're funny Smiley

Who the fuck you are to tell Pirate what he does have to do?
For me he seems like a sane person and he knows very well what he has to do - why would he ever listen to advises of such a retard as you?
Besides I already answered this question: Pirate would have to be crazy opening GLBSE account, since he likely already knows what I know: that Nefario is a thief, Goat's bitch, and a cheeky bastard.

I asked Pirate already at the 17th to not pay the PPT OPs directly, because the BS&T liquidation created a perfect opportunity for them to screw over their little customers.
And that Goat was going to screw his little customers badly on the TYGRR.BOND-P bonds - you don't need to look far, since many proofs are in this thread.

Back then Pirate had refused my request, but it seems that now he has decided to fulfill it, after realizing that this could indeed have been a case.




Im not retarded enough to send some guy named pirate my bitcoins. Needless to say, there is an easy way for pirate to deal with this and hes not taking it.

I hope Nefario sues you for libel.

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September 02, 2012, 08:56:08 AM
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I hope Nefario sues you for libel.
Me too. Smiley

3000 ASICMINER shares didn't just go into a black hole.
And since Nefario refuses to say where they went to - they obviously went to his own pocket.

And that is so far the only of his thefts I have heard of.
But a reasonable person should assume that there were more of such "accidents" at GLBSE, since Nefario is a lying bitch and a huge supporter of a proven crook and a cheeky violator of his own contracts - Mr Goat vel Chaang Noi

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piotr_n, is your account hacked or are you gone completely mad?

https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/ASICMINER  -> 154262
Security issued:200000
(EDIT: I copy/pasted back the wrong number and not the result from calculation) Never sold: 154262 45738 (includes shares bought back by the issuer)

Back to the topic at hand.
So far the only thieve in this asshole who calls himself pirateat40.
Let me repeat: All this asshat pirateat40 has to do is set up the bid wall at GLBSE, buy the shares and fuck off for good.
He can probably set up a deal with Nefario and PPT issuer so that all the shares not sold by date X, will be called and BTC paid to the shareholders GLBSE btc account - as it's done when issuer calls the shares and pays for them.
This is all it takes to end this stupid shenanigan for good.



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piotr_n, is your account hacked or are you gone completely mad?

https://glbse.com/api/quantity_trading/ASICMINER  -> 154262
Security issued:200000
Never sold: 154262 (includes shares bought back by the issuer)

fail:
quantity:   the number of the asset that was traded

means 75% of the shares are on the market.

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If you troll me again, I'm just putting you on ignore. It's not worth wasting my time.

I think most here will agree that I just made the best possible FTFY there.

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2012-09-01 21:32:01     CrazyHarold     pirateat40, go fuck yourself. thanks for nothing.
2012-09-01 21:32:16     [\\\]   .kb CrazyHarold Have a nice day.
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Fucking imsaguy ...... A COMPLETE COCKSUCKER.

This is why IRC is a corrupt cesspool of kids that had the shit beat out of them in school and now think they have the power.

This just kills me. Some crazyharold guy throws a dog @ pirate, because pirate doesn't say shit and imsaguy boots him.

imsaguy just made my 'list'.

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2012-09-01 21:32:01     CrazyHarold     pirateat40, go fuck yourself. thanks for nothing.
2012-09-01 21:32:16     [\\\]   .kb CrazyHarold Have a nice day.
2012-09-01 21:32:16     --      Mode #btcst [+b *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.105.164.184] by imsaguy2
2012-09-01 21:32:16     <--     imsaguy2 has kicked CrazyHarold (Have a nice day.)



Fucking imsaguy ...... A COMPLETE COCKSUCKER.

This is why IRC is a corrupt cesspool of kids that had the shit beat out of them in school and now think they have the power.

This just kills me. Some crazyharold guy throws a dog @ pirate, because pirate doesn't say shit and imsaguy boots him.

imsaguy just made my 'list'.
1> they do have the power... this is our playground here, not theirs...

2> imsaguy2 wasn't the one that kicked him, [\\\] was... imsaguy2 was just opped and running a channel management script.

2a> but, even if it was imsaguy2 that kicked him, HE DESERVED IT.

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September 02, 2012, 05:58:15 PM
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It's interesting to see an outside perspective on this:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1857843

"Am I missing something? Did people really "invest" real money with someone named "pirateat40"?  I have to be reading this wrong. Nobody could be that stupid. (I know, of course they could be.)"
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September 02, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
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Goat, would you mind posting the earlier IRC loag again for those among us that may have missed something(pitor_n)? The one where Pirate directly acknowledges that GLBSE bonds would not be able to comply with sending all the info and that he would get back to you?

BTW, did he ever get back to you with a solution?


@threads, please stop quoting Pitor. a slew of us have him on ignore for a reason. thanks. =)

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September 02, 2012, 06:52:25 PM
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Goat, would you mind posting the earlier IRC loag again for those among us that may have missed something(pitor_n)? The one where Pirate directly acknowledges that GLBSE bonds would not be able to comply with sending all the info and that he would get back to you?

BTW, did he ever get back to you with a solution?


@threads, please stop quoting Pitor. a slew of us have him on ignore for a reason. thanks. =)


<Chaang-Noi> pirateat40 you know you are asking me to do something i cant.
<hashking> When is the deadline to send this to you.
<pirateat40> Chaang-Noi, I know it's not something you can do with bonds and have relayed that information but I don't have an answer for you yet.

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