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August 29, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
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GLBSE is completely legal, I don't know what part of the world you're from, but here in the UK something has to be forbidden or outlawed to become illegal, everything that is not... is legal.

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The EU law was not a problem whatsoever, while you were running illegal IPOs.

You had no problem with IPO's on GLBSE until recently (some of which you invested in...I'm sure), and it's not EU law, it's the UK's implementation of that law, and since I am British, and live in the UK, I am subject to those laws.

If I so obviously violated the data protection act, as you are looking for, it would be the end of GLBSE, we would be fined into oblivion, and since GLBSE is being registered as a business when I arrive back from my holiday, I am particularly wary of taking such foolish action.

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The problem is not a law - the problem is that you are a cheeky bastard.
And you are going to face the

What consequences will I be facing for not turning over my users details to some random person (pirate hasn't even asked me, do you know how hurtful that is!).

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That's why I'm not sucking his cock, but just speaking out what I think - whether I will get the money back, or not, I still will keep to what I have said.
Goat and Nefario are two fucking crooks - and you are obviously somehow involved in their scams as well.

A person needs to commit a crime to be a crook, you willing gave your money to be given to pirate, an anonymous person, who wouldn't tell you what he was doing with it, and paying unreal returns. I think that was a dumb thing to do, but you willingly went and did it anyway, blinded by your greed (it was greed that motivated you wasn't it? those ROI were oh so tempting).

All I and goat did was allow you to do what you wanted to.

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August 29, 2012, 02:20:19 PM
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Not so sure about other laws in force in England and legality of GLBSE overall. But Nefario is definitely doing the right thing by correctly applying Data Protection Act 1998 here.


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August 29, 2012, 02:20:45 PM
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GLBSE is completely legal, I don't know what part of the world you're from, but here in the UK something has to be forbidden or outlawed to become illegal, everything that is not... is legal.


as a financial service provider who offer his services to the public you need to be registered.

you can make a small club and offer glbse there - would be completly legal.

(i dont really care if you do or dont, i just was amused that you said you wont disclouse this data because of the law)
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August 29, 2012, 02:24:05 PM
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If I so obviously violated the data protection act, as you are looking for, it would be the end of GLBSE, we would be fined into oblivion, and since GLBSE is being registered as a business when I arrive back from my holiday, I am particularly wary of taking such foolish action.
Man, I could have given you at least three different ways of letting the PPT bond holders proving to Pirate that they have their money in BS&T - and none of them would violate any privacy law.

But I am not going to, because I know that a "privacy law" is just your stupid excuse and, after I write it all down, you will just come up with another stupid excuse.

So spare mi your legal expertise, because I don't believe a word you're saying. And also, I think you're stupid so your advise on any matter is worthless for me.

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August 29, 2012, 02:27:03 PM
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GLBSE is completely legal, I don't know what part of the world you're from, but here in the UK something has to be forbidden or outlawed to become illegal, everything that is not... is legal.


as a financial service provider who offer his services to the public you need to be registered.

you can make a small club and offer glbse there - would be completly legal.

(i dont really care if you do or dont, i just was amused that you said you wont disclouse this data because of the law)

This is why Bitcoin NEEDS a Legal Classification. People around here like to think that they can have it BOTH ways.

In terms of Pirate, everyone yells "have fun trying to call the cops and get back your imaginary math money"

Yet, in the case of the GLBSE, Nefario is a FINANCIAL SERVICE PROVIDER ? (GLBSE takes cash deposits now ?)

Which is it ? It MUST be either 1 or the other.

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August 29, 2012, 02:29:33 PM
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here in the UK something has to be forbidden or outlawed to become illegal, everything that is not... is legal.
Oh how I wish that was true! I have so many Bitcoin businesses I'd love to operate if I could figure out how to do so without risking being caged.

The UK's financial legislation is roughly along the lines of "No one shall offer fianancial services except in accordance with the following regulations". That's broadly equivalent to "it's illegal unless we permit it".
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August 29, 2012, 02:30:52 PM
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If I so obviously violated the data protection act, as you are looking for, it would be the end of GLBSE, we would be fined into oblivion, and since GLBSE is being registered as a business when I arrive back from my holiday, I am particularly wary of taking such foolish action.
Man, I could have given you at least three different ways of letting the PPT bond holders proving to Pirate that they have their money in BS&T - and none of them would violate any privacy law.

But I am not going to, because I know that a "privacy law" is just your stupid excuse and, after I write it all down, you will just come up with another stupid excuse.

So spare mi your legal expertise, because I don't believe a word you're saying.

you still don't get it do you, the greed of cashing out cheaply picked up bonds for bitcents on a bitcoin is blinding you -  GLBSE PPTs are NOT BTCST Trust Sub-accounts there is nothing for Goat/Nefario to submit to Pirate. GBLSE should not, can't and won't release their user's data to 3rd parties without a legal motion such as court order
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August 29, 2012, 02:32:39 PM
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GLBSE is completely legal, I don't know what part of the world you're from, but here in the UK something has to be forbidden or outlawed to become illegal, everything that is not... is legal.


as a financial service provider who offer his services to the public you need to be registered.


It depends on whether bitcoin is considered to be a currency and the FSA has already determined that it's not (that may change in the future, but it would require legislation from the UK or EU level). As things currently stand GLBSE is a virtual stock exchange for a virtual currency.

I'm in London for the month so will be hitting up the FSA to register GLBSE if they'll let me, I don't believe they will.

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I agree with most of what you said. But being an enabler is still bad. Just look at all the people thrown in jail for running websites that link to pirated content but don't host it themselves; they are only enablers.

I don't believe so, there are pinkslip markets all over the world, this is currently what GLBSE is at the moment and even under the new standards we're bringing in (to separate assets into markets) all the PPT stuff would be in the pink section.

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August 29, 2012, 02:35:45 PM
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If I so obviously violated the data protection act, as you are looking for, it would be the end of GLBSE, we would be fined into oblivion, and since GLBSE is being registered as a business when I arrive back from my holiday, I am particularly wary of taking such foolish action.
Man, I could have given you at least three different ways of letting the PPT bond holders proving to Pirate that they have their money in BS&T - and none of them would violate any privacy law.

But I am not going to, because I know that a "privacy law" is just your stupid excuse and, after I write it all down, you will just come up with another stupid excuse.

So spare mi your legal expertise, because I don't believe a word you're saying.

you still don't get it do you, the greed of cashing out cheaply picked up bonds for cents on a dollar is blinding you -  GLBSE PPTs are NOT BTCST Trust Sub-accounts there is nothing for Goat/Nefario to submit to Pirate. GBLSE should not, can't and won't release their user's data to 3rd parties without a legal motion such as court order
No - you still don't get it.
I don't have any PPT bonds and when I did, I did not buy them for cents.

Goat was trying to get himself rich by selling empty PPT bonds - and Nefario was helping him, probably being his partner in this business.
And now they are both screwed - because Pirate turned out to be much smarter and much more honest than these crooks.
Well, this last statement we will see... but so far it looks good Tongue

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August 29, 2012, 02:38:41 PM
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Although the pirate's request is extremely odd, if it were the only way to receive payments, can bondholders authorize the transfer of that information ?, so that GLBSE no infringes any data protection law

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August 29, 2012, 02:39:42 PM
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here in the UK something has to be forbidden or outlawed to become illegal, everything that is not... is legal.
Oh how I wish that was true! I have so many Bitcoin businesses I'd love to operate if I could figure out how to do so without risking being caged.

The UK's financial legislation is roughly along the lines of "No one shall offer fianancial services except in accordance with the following regulations". That's broadly equivalent to "it's illegal unless we permit it".

Unfortunately it is the case. Otherwise I would be running both BTC stock exchange and BTC currency exchange as of 18 month ago and by now we would be in merger talks with Ribuck.


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August 29, 2012, 02:40:00 PM
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can bondholders authorize the transfer of that information ?, so that GLBSE no infringes any data protection law
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why?
beause: nefario will tell you... Smiley

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August 29, 2012, 02:42:22 PM
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No - you still don't get it.
I don't have any PPT bonds and when I did, I did not buy them for cents.

Goat was trying to get himself rich by selling empty PPT bonds - and Nefario was helping him, probably being his partner in this business.
And now they are both screwed.

Absolutely baseless accusation, proof please.

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Although the pirate's request is extremely odd, if it were the only way to receive payments, can bondholders authorize the transfer of that information ?, so that GLBSE no infringes any data protection law

Yes, at the request of bond holder we can provide GPG signed reciepts stating how many of the asset the person holds, it would mean that they would no longer be able to trade that asset afterwards (i.e. it would be stuck in their account) otherwise they would be able to game the system.

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August 29, 2012, 02:45:02 PM
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No - you still don't get it.
I don't have any PPT bonds and when I did, I did not buy them for cents.

Goat was trying to get himself rich by selling empty PPT bonds - and Nefario was helping him, probably being his partner in this business.
And now they are both screwed.

Absolutely baseless accusation, proof please.
The proof of Goat selling empty PPT bonds?
Or the proof or you being his lying bitch?

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August 29, 2012, 02:48:17 PM
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No - you still don't get it.
I don't have any PPT bonds and when I did, I did not buy them for cents.

Goat was trying to get himself rich by selling empty PPT bonds - and Nefario was helping him, probably being his partner in this business.
And now they are both screwed.

Absolutely baseless accusation, proof please.
The proof of Goat selling empty PPT bonds?
Or the proof or you being his lying bitch?

Both.

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August 29, 2012, 02:48:42 PM
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Either way I wont pass anything on as I do not have sub accounts. I only have one personal account. My GLBSE obligations are unrelated to Pirate.

Pirate can suck my dick and I will see him in court if he wants to pull this BS.
I think sooner you will see your own customers in court.

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August 29, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
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Although the pirate's request is extremely odd, if it were the only way to receive payments, can bondholders authorize the transfer of that information ?, so that GLBSE no infringes any data protection law

Yes, at the request of bond holder we can provide GPG signed reciepts stating how many of the asset the person holds, it would mean that they would no longer be able to trade that asset afterwards (i.e. it would be stuck in their account) otherwise they would be able to game the system.

It seems right.

So why has not considered this possibility before tell him "we can't"? Although insist again the absurdity, rare and risky of his request

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August 29, 2012, 02:52:22 PM
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Although the pirate's request is extremely odd, if it were the only way to receive payments, can bondholders authorize the transfer of that information ?, so that GLBSE no infringes any data protection law

Yes, at the request of bond holder we can provide GPG signed reciepts stating how many of the asset the person holds, it would mean that they would no longer be able to trade that asset afterwards (i.e. it would be stuck in their account) otherwise they would be able to game the system.

It seems right.

So why has not considered this possibility before tell him "we can't"? Although insist again the absurdity, rare and risky of his request

Because thats not what he was asking, I was being asked to give GLBSE users details to pirate, which I can't. It's different from "can GLBSE users get a signed receipt of the pirate related assets they hold".

Besides, that won't get you anything, as pirate has said before his obligation is not to any of the PPT owners.

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August 29, 2012, 02:53:10 PM
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No - you still don't get it.
I don't have any PPT bonds and when I did, I did not buy them for cents.

Goat was trying to get himself rich by selling empty PPT bonds - and Nefario was helping him, probably being his partner in this business.
And now they are both screwed.

Absolutely baseless accusation, proof please.
The proof of Goat selling empty PPT bonds?
Or the proof or you being his lying bitch?

Both.
1) The number of active assets is 30175 ATM, while it was far below 27895, after Pirate announced that he's stopping accepting deposits.
2) You are denying this simple fact.

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August 29, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
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No - you still don't get it.
I don't have any PPT bonds and when I did, I did not buy them for cents.

Goat was trying to get himself rich by selling empty PPT bonds - and Nefario was helping him, probably being his partner in this business.
And now they are both screwed.

Absolutely baseless accusation, proof please.
The proof of Goat selling empty PPT bonds?
Or the proof or you being his lying bitch?

Both.
1) The number of active assets is 30175 ATM, while it was far below 27895, after Pirate announced that he's stopping accepting deposits.
2) You are denying this simple fact.

plus, let me quote something from an IRC channel - that was 2 days ago:

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<nefario> Chaaang-Noi: you are goignto have a crowd with pitchforks coming after you
<Chaaang-Noi> why?
<Chaaang-Noi> i paid my insured bonds
<Chaaang-Noi> see that wall of bids?
<Chaaang-Noi> its enough to buy back everything
<Chaaang-Noi> the odds are just as great they will come after you.
<nefario> ha
<EB250> nefario, not form lack of oxygen but buildup of carbon dioxide
<nefario> EB250: but I like carbon dioxide
<nefario> seems we're in this together goat
<nefario> get the chainsaws
<nefario> nice pic BTW
<Chaaang-Noi> i think they will be going after pirate not us
<Chaaang-Noi> we did out part
<Chaaang-Noi> what pic?
<Chaaang-Noi> boat?
<Chaaang-Noi> or tower?
<nefario> ja
<nefario> boat
<Chaaang-Noi> ahh  Smiley
<Chaaang-Noi> honestly i like the tower one better but then again i have a thing for asian girls
<nefario> link?
<Chaaang-Noi> 1 sec
<Chaaang-Noi> see if this works
<Chaaang-Noi> http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j343/TyGrrTech/P8240312.jpg
<Chaaang-Noi> its the only other recent photo iv posted
<Chaaang-Noi> outside 81st floor Smiley
<Chaaang-Noi> was epic
<nefario> is that your wife?
<Chaaang-Noi> yeah
<Chaaang-Noi> she did not like the boat photo so much
<nefario> tanned as fuck
<Chaaang-Noi> she is thai lol
<nefario> people here avoid the sun like the plague
<Chaaang-Noi> yeah she used to, i told her i dont give a fuck and come play on the beach with me...
<nefario> seem to admire my white ass for it's milky color
<Chaaang-Noi> so she did
<Chaaang-Noi> yeah
<nefario> pale face

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