XCurrency (XC) BlockNet community thread

[URSAY]

Why does this thread exist?  I started as a supporter and investor of XC before they even arrived at a logo.  As I started organizing information over time in an effort to help the team I saw that they didn't want my help and I started to understand why based on the information I was uncovering and assembling in the name of transparency.  More to come.

XC team endorsed thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.0
BlockNet team endorsed thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.0

Basic timeline

12/14/2010?
Daniel R. Metcalf not guilty on a charge of driving under the influence of alcohol (second offense)
http://www.wickedlocal.com/article/20101214/News/312149752

2/1/2011
Daniel R. Metcalf
plymouthdeeds.org
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 4813
$14,039.46

01/03/2012
ATC Solutions LLC (ID #001068271) domestic LLC organized in Mass.
http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/CorpWeb/CorpSearch/CorpSummary.aspx?FEIN=001068271&SEARCH_TYPE=3

1/2/2013
Daniel R. Metcalf
plymouthdeeds.org
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 5922
$4,485.43

2/4/2014
Daniel R. Metcalf
plymouthdeeds.org
Tax lien (federal) serial #981157214
$67,531.52

5/8/2014
XCurrency launched

10/15/2014
BlockNet announced

10/29/2014 - 5 am EST
BlockNet ICO/ITO

11/17/2014
BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206) domestic profit corp. organized in Mass.
http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/CorpWeb/CorpSearch/CorpSummary.aspx?FEIN=001152206&SEARCH_TYPE=1
President:  Daniel R. Metcalf
Treasurer:  Daniel R. Metcalf
Secretary:  Melanie Metcalf
Director:  Melanie Metcalf

Commonwealth of Mass.  (Securities division) 800-269-5428

IRS Criminal Investigation 800-829-0433

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[rdnkjdi]

Edit:  My reply wasn't on topic here (even though it was on the original thread where it gets deleted).

Much respect for trying to create actual discourse.  The ironic thing is that actual transparency vs salesmanship (closed sourced vs open sourced, unmoderated vs moderated, etc) might actually be the only thing that would help this project out.

[qawzsx]

how is this XC community thread you dumb ass? this is YOUR thread...

[joebob999]

how is this XC community thread you dumb ass? this is YOUR thread...

maybe he wants MORE than just a f**** circlejerk?

probably too much to ask from 95% of the people in XC.

My advice (FWIW) - if you own a lot of XC send Dan a date you'll be dumping if it isn't open sourced.  Because honestly if it isn't open sourced soon - & I mean REALLY soon.  It will fall (in my opinion) far enough that it won't recover.  The charts to me look like a slow bleed of the devteam / long time holders while trying extremely hard to keep some buying pressure by pumping with "releases" where no one can actually tell (from the code) what has been done.

Effective way to bleed the market out of as much btc as possible i suppose.

[URSAY]

how is this XC community thread you dumb ass? this is YOUR thread...

I've represented a bridge between the community and bitcoin businesses in the past.  It should not be so difficult to understand the same behavior going on currently.

[Teka]

I would like to point out that this thread is in no way shape or form official which means that an unofficial tag needs to be added. It's technically not a community thread. I've amended the title in my reply to what I believe fits the purpose of this thread best.

OFFICAL THREAD:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.0

[Teka]

how is this XC community thread you dumb ass? this is YOUR thread...

fud

I would like to point that similliar comments were made at the start. This my last post in this thread since I don't want to bump it anymore.

[rdnkjdi]

I would like to point out that this thread is in no way shape or form official which means that an unofficial tag needs to be added. It's technically not a community thread. I've amended the title in my reply to what I believe fits the purpose of this thread best.

This is what I love about these guys.  They think they own what people should be allowed to say about their product.  We should be forced to frame what we say in how THEY think it should be presented.

Free speech is lost on them.

[URSAY]

I would like to point out that this thread is in no way shape or form official which means that an unofficial tag needs to be added. It's technically not a community thread. I've amended the title in my reply to what I believe fits the purpose of this thread best.

OFFICAL THREAD:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.0

I've added your official thread to the op.  Thanks for your input. 

[mujecurejo]

I placed an order for your Tor cards on Aug. 10th.

More recently Dan said this...

Tor sticks coming (Delivery claimed sometime around Oct. 1st)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9042354#msg9042354

Now with little to no updates and the focus on BlockNet, I'm thinking about reversing payment if it's not already too late.  I would speak to Pay Pal first and then my credit card company.

Has xcmerch.com shipped anything?

The focus is on XC in general, Also we only accept cryptocurrencies.

Ah I see you may be right.  I paid you in BTC or XC.  Can you process a refund?

It surprises me that you're asking for a refund on an item that's not even late.

There was no official early-October release date for the XC TOR Stick.

In fact the official date of shipping is Rev 3.

And then we said we may well ship in advance of Rev 3.

So I don't understand your reasoning here...

On Oct. 1...

"an updated ISO is coming this week and then the tor sticks will ship

Dan"

I know you don't understand my reasoning and that's why I'm asking for a refund.  I am a loyal user and investor in XC.  Myself and other investors are disappointed with decisions the team is making.  We're disappointed that we are talked down to for no good reason.  We're disappointed that XC's first major feature, XChat, still does not work.  We're disappointed that you use keywords which grab attention from govt. agencies and puts our investment at risk.  We're disappointed that you keep talking about XC's groundbreaking features as though they are currently usable and available.  We're disappointed that we've invested in coins like Cache which we thought you were working with.  We're disappointed that the official XC messageboard is unfrequented by the XC team while thriving communities exist elsewhere in other eco-systems.  We're disappointed that this is closed source on a timeline because when a govt. agency potentially takes you down, we have no code to assure continued development of the platform.  We're disappointed with missed deadlines that were self imposed.  We're disappointed that this is looking more and more like a cloak thread (which Dan was going to potentially review recently for 3 btc + cloak).  We're disappointed with project after project that is announced with only 1 dev to handle it all.  We're disappointed with news announcements that deliver nothing and talk about broad ideas and future concepts.  Some have had very bad experiences with Jasinlee.  Generally we're just tired of poor decision making which we have no part of.  This is a competitive market.  Other coins are delivering and allowing the community to take part in that process of organic growth.  I know I've been very critical of XC but many investors have similar legitimate concerns and they seem to be overlooked again and again and/or labeled as FUD.  Many are now looking for an exit.  Maybe your exit was already planned and is working well.  That could explain the one month chart and the lack of concern for legal, the community, and actual deliverables.

We're disappointed that you called XChat XChat, because there is an IRC client called XChat (http://xchat.org/), and we're disappointed that you cloned XChat from Cinni or some other crypto and tried to take credit. We're disappointed that nothing seems to happen here.

I would have liked to have seen the completion of Rev3 and XChat followed by some serious independent code reviews before starting blocknet. I think those things would have increased exposure and adoption in a more organic way.

Maybe Halcyon dev could review the code?

Yea it seems only Dan knows halycon dev?




So it seems he got his refund, however that doesn't mean that any coding is actually happening

[URSAY]

So it seems he got his refund

No refund yet.

[atcsecure]

My responses are inline below

I know you don't understand my reasoning and that's why I'm asking for a refund.  I am a loyal user and investor in XC.  Myself and other investors are disappointed with decisions the team is making.

 We're disappointed that we are talked down to for no good reason.  We're disappointed that XC's first major feature, XChat, still does not work.  

* XChat does have a stable release that does work, granted group chat functionality is not in that release

 We're disappointed that you use keywords which grab attention from govt. agencies and puts our investment at risk.

* This point was taken a while back and fully discussed and I fully agree

 We're disappointed that you keep talking about XC's groundbreaking features as though they are currently usable and available.

* On the testing release's yes this possible, however both features [outside of group chat] do work and the ad-hoc mixer technology is groundbreaking

 We're disappointed that we've invested in coins like Cache which we thought you were working with.

* I'm disappointed in this as well, but this is a separate matter all together

 We're disappointed that this is closed source on a timeline because when a govt. agency potentially takes you down, we have no code to assure continued development of the platform.  

* we are in the process of opening sourcing the code once it is ready - however if this is your major concern, the source code is in the hands of multiple people besides myself already

We're disappointed with missed deadlines that were self imposed.

* yes I think everybody is disappointed with missed deadlines

 We're disappointed that this is looking more and more like a cloak thread (which Dan was going to potentially review recently for 3 btc + cloak).  We're disappointed with project after project that is announced with only 1 dev to handle it all.

* I've already stated I'm no longer due any more code reviews

 We're disappointed with news announcements that deliver nothing and talk about broad ideas and future concepts.

* Meanwhile though continued updates have come out and the mobile wallet will be testing shortly, so I disagree

 Some have had very bad experiences with Jasinlee.  Generally we're just tired of poor decision making which we have no part of.  
* myself included




Dan

[atcsecure]

So it seems he got his refund

No refund yet.

For who? PM the details

[atcsecure]

So it seems he got his refund, however that doesn't mean that any coding is actually happening

No, but the almost daily software release's do show that coding is actually happening.

[atcsecure]

So it seems he got his refund

No refund yet.

https://blockchain.info/tx-index/72b83d2bc4ee75556666647dc6abad779f9aa1dd12f45e372114ecaf62ef0653

thats the refund I sent

[joebob999]

It does work, and its not open source for several reasons, including the fact it is the most advanced mixer technology on the marketplace and would be cloned immediately...

Please dont call it the "most advanced mixer technology" when its closed source. If you want that title, open source it, have it scrutinized and present your case to the community.

Its claims like this that make investors run away.

Here's a great example.  Maybe you have the most advanced mixer WHO the hell KNOWS?  And how do you think you can make that claim?

I'm sure this will be deleted in the main thread ... it's like saying "I have the hottest wife in the world but you can't see her"

Everybody thinks *yeah right*


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/993/tumblr_m0wb2xz9Yh1r08e3p.jpg

[atcsecure]

It does work, and its not open source for several reasons, including the fact it is the most advanced mixer technology on the marketplace and would be cloned immediately...

Please dont call it the "most advanced mixer technology" when its closed source. If you want that title, open source it, have it scrutinized and present your case to the community.

Its claims like this that make investors run away.

Here's a great example.  Maybe you have the most advanced mixer WHO the hell KNOWS?  And how do you think you can make that claim?

I'm sure this will be deleted in the main thread ... it's like saying "I have the hottest wife in the world but you can't see her"

Everybody thinks *yeah right*

Yes you can see it right here

http://imgur.com/h8rFt5U

[mujecurejo]

It does work, and its not open source for several reasons, including the fact it is the most advanced mixer technology on the marketplace and would be cloned immediately...

Please dont call it the "most advanced mixer technology" when its closed source. If you want that title, open source it, have it scrutinized and present your case to the community.

Its claims like this that make investors run away.

Here's a great example.  Maybe you have the most advanced mixer WHO the hell KNOWS?  And how do you think you can make that claim?

I'm sure this will be deleted in the main thread ... it's like saying "I have the hottest wife in the world but you can't see her"

Everybody thinks *yeah right*


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/009/993/tumblr_m0wb2xz9Yh1r08e3p.jpg

my wife is hotter..

So it seems he got his refund, however that doesn't mean that any coding is actually happening

No, but the almost daily software release's do show that coding is actually happening.

what software releases?

The vaporware?

[URSAY]

I just got back from picking up dinner and was about to respond with Dan's October releases to the above post.  Then I noticed I was banned from the official XCurrecny thread.  Wow.  It's getting harder and harder to have an objective view when the XC team is becoming more and more unreasonable.

Lets be clear.  I've suggested that I'd like to discuss multiple issues with the team outside of a public forum both on irc and in the forums.  When this resulted in silence and a continuation of "issues" I started these discussions in public.  This resulted in multiple bans on my account.

I still have no plans to ban anyone here.  This thread is open for discussion.

[EDIT]  It was not be a ban...they just deleted 3 of my posts.  My mistake.

[joebob999]

Damn dude.  That's pretty insane.  I've seen you do nothing but post slightly concerned alternate opinions.

Got a feeling they're getting desperate - I don't know why but I'm almost convinced they are.  If i was a betting man - I'd say they used the blocknet announcements to buy up worthless coins before adding them to the blocknet list then dump

XC has dumped like 20% since the announcement and I just have this gut feeling that someone out there could knock it down 50%.  

The problem is there are no buyers for closed sourced anon.  There is too much competition.  the reality is that if there is legit code - the danger is MUCH MORE of becoming obsolete / having the shit dumped out of you than being cloned.

[the_game1224]

I just got back from picking up dinner and was about to respond with Dan's October releases to the above post.  Then I noticed I was banned from the official XCurrecny thread.  Wow.  It's getting harder and harder to have an objective view when the XC team is becoming more and more unreasonable.

Lets be clear.  I've suggested that I'd like to discuss multiple issues with the team outside of a public forum both on irc and in the forums.  When this resulted in silence and a continuation of "issues" I started these discussions in public.  This resulted in multiple bans on my account.

I still have no plans to ban anyone here.  This thread is open for discussion.

Wow I did not think anything you did in the official thread called for a ban by any means.  Gotta agree with you regarding the team    
Having said that most of Dan's replies are good and acknowledge/address issues and concerns IMO

[stealth923]

It does work, and its not open source for several reasons, including the fact it is the most advanced mixer technology on the marketplace and would be cloned immediately...

Please dont call it the "most advanced mixer technology" when its closed source. If you want that title, open source it, have it scrutinized and present your case to the community.

Its claims like this that make investors run away.

+1

i think so too. and it really sucks to see the price falling like a stone.

maybe the blocknet idea wasn't the best idea at all? i think publishing this idea after REV3 was released would be much better as we lost 30% in just a few days.

even most of the coins that joined the blocknet train are nearly worthless

Coin  -  Marketcap - Price change last 7 days
APEX - $ 62,861       +225.72 %
SSD - $ 126,504       +15.98 %
SWIFT - $ 491,164    +13.32 %
XST   - $ 369,854      +1.69 %
NHZ  - $ 188,442      -13.81 %
UTIL   - $ 150,427     +31.07 %
FIBRE - $ 190,156     -11.86 %

XC     - $ 1,942,676   -28.71 %


Why were only coins added that are nearly worthless?
Why didn't you try to get at least one coin that has a market cap > 1M$?

And as it seems nearly all of them increased in price only XC lost dramatically.

I think a blocknet would make sense when coins that already have a high marketcap join forces to
build something big but this somehow feels like XC is used to bring more value to some useless coins.

First of all, you are a moron,

"Why were only coins added that are nearly worthless?" - Coins are not added, coins can apply to join.
"Why didn't you try to get at least one coin that has a market cap > 1M$?" - You angry cause your investment does not go up fast enough?
"And as it seems nearly all of them increased in price only XC lost dramatically." - what does that tells you?

"I think a blocknet would make sense when coins that already have a high marketcap join forces to
build something big but this somehow feels like XC is used to bring more value to some useless coins." - money money money and money again.

Full of morons...

Dont be so quick to shoot him down - I think he has made some valid points. By XC associating with other currencies which are "worthless" you can say that the market is reacting by bringing XC down to their level. If all coins are the "same" on blocknet, XC should be worth similar to what the other majority of coins are.

I would not be sucked into the marketing hype of "this will increase the user base exponentially".....what if it doesnt?? If I just wanted to use the service of a specific coin why would I not just buy that coin, why go through the need of having to go through the decentralized exchange, potentially get a crap exchange rate, lose money etc.

Also, what will happen to the value of XC when other coins fail or dev's go rogue in the blocknet? The failure rate of crypto coins is VERY high. Whats being done is XCs marketcap has been tied to these other coins so if something happens to them, you can expect a knock on effect...

I have to agree, which I why I believe that their should be a group of specially chosen coins, or even just XC that form the core base for Blocknet. I also propose different tiers, with XC being the 1st/core coin, and another 2 being on the 2nd tier, etc.

For Transparency reasons as I am sure that even though I am being respectful and trying to raise valid points, it will vanish into thin air.

[stealth923]

It does work, and its not open source for several reasons, including the fact it is the most advanced mixer technology on the marketplace and would be cloned immediately...

Please dont call it the "most advanced mixer technology" when its closed source. If you want that title, open source it, have it scrutinized and present your case to the community.

Its claims like this that make investors run away.

Here's a great example.  Maybe you have the most advanced mixer WHO the hell KNOWS?  And how do you think you can make that claim?
I'm sure this will be deleted in the main thread ... it's like saying "I have the hottest wife in the world but you can't see her"
Everybody thinks *yeah right*

Yes you can see it right here
http://imgur.com/h8rFt5U

atcsecure if this is your case that you present to show that XC has the "most advanced mixer" in the world instead of open sourcing and scrutinization...I would try and find another job.....no offence 

[URSAY]

[infinitechaos]

This is mostly in response to the list of concerns posted by URSAY.

XChat does have a stable release. I don't think it's fair to say that it flat out doesn't work simply because there are still bugs in the Mac and Linux releases and with group chat. I can only imagine the complications that would arise when trying to get this technology to work across all platforms.

Yeah, taunting the gov is probably unnecessary and I'm also glad to see that the team has taken that to heart and ceased using those hashtags.

Several of XC's features are indeed groundbreaking and available for use - the ad-hoc mesh network for one is pretty groundbreaking and it works.

If you bought Cache because XC announced plans to work with them back in May/June and have held it all this time, it's unfair to burden the XC team with that. They severed ties with Jasin and Cache because it made business/development sense. When making such decisions, the team shouldn't need to consider how the decision might impact the markets when the decision clearly makes business sense. If you bought on the rumor and held, you should take responsibility for it.

I'd really like it if more of the community and the team used XCtalk as well. I'd also prefer IRC over this troll-infested forum. But this is nowhere near reason enough for me to be upset with the team on any level.

Regarding the delayed open source timeline XC has, consider all sides. You have to recognize how detrimental it would be to the whole crypto scene and the development of the technology if the source were opened up entirely right now. Simultaneously, yes, one must also consider how detrimental it would be to lose source code for whatever reason. I think that what Dan has said, about the source code having already been distributed amongst a handful of trusted peers, is a decent compromise.

Yes, self-imposed deadlines that are missed are super fucking annoying. But, again, this is not nearly enough for me to throw in the towel here. This is coding and software development. Shit happens along the path of development. Unforeseen things come up last minute. As long as Dan demonstrates that he is continuing to work on the project (and he certainly damn well does with his constant updates), I can't complain.

If the XC thread looks like a Cloak thread (I've never been to the Cloak thread), might I assume it is because of an abundance of trolling? What can be done about this besides moderate the thread?

There is more than one dev working on the project. That has always been clear.

For the most part, I feel that XC has done a good job of only marketing announcements when they have something to show for it. The only two announcements I can think of that were maybe more like announcements of features-to-be were the QBK partnership on the distributed content delivery service and the TOR stick (the TOR stick .iso was delivered, but the announcement alluded to the physical TOR stick product which has yet to ship). The BlockNet announcement is an announcement of a feature-to-be, but that announcement was necessary to prepare the community for the ITO.

I know the drop in price is frustrating, but I really don't see what we have to discuss here as far as complaints with the path XC is taking.

[Aristophanes]

Thank you for giving me a place to post about XC URSAY.

My advice to any potential XC investor: WAIT UNTIL THEY OPEN SOURCE THE ANON CODE.

You can blindly trust them, or you can wait til they deliver. So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly. This coin already has a pretty high cap, so you are taking a big risk. Buying this coin without insider knowledge is gambling, not investing/trading.

[URSAY]

This is mostly in response to the list of concerns posted by URSAY.

XChat does have a stable release. I don't think it's fair to say that it flat out doesn't work simply because there are still bugs in the Mac and Linux releases and with group chat. I can only imagine the complications that would arise when trying to get this technology to work across all platforms.

-Perhaps XChat has a stable release on Windows.  It was great to see Mac and Linux test releases come out finally, yet frustrating that it caused some confusion about buggy final releases.  If XChat was solid before the ITO then I would be less concerned.  It would show final delivery of a useful feature that the community wants.  Also, it would build trust in Dan as a developer and in participating with the ITO.  But yes, I know software development can be very complex and difficult.  Maybe this is more about managing investor and user expectations.  Software and tech people seem to be HORRIBLE at managing expectations.

Yeah, taunting the gov is probably unnecessary and I'm also glad to see that the team has taken that to heart and ceased using those hashtags.

-I think it's deeper then that.  I'm not a lawyer but I would think it's somewhat common sense to be wary about using so many SEC key words.  Shares, dividends, IPO, ITO, specific profit numbers, etc.  

Several of XC's features are indeed groundbreaking and available for use - the ad-hoc mesh network for one is pretty groundbreaking and it works.

-Again, perhaps on Windows you see this functionality.  Mac and linux is more delayed but it's great to see Dan putting out regular updates!  I've always hoped to see working XC tech on my personal computer!

If you bought Cache because XC announced plans to work with them back in May/June and have held it all this time, it's unfair to burden the XC team with that. They severed ties with Jasin and Cache because it made business/development sense. When making such decisions, the team shouldn't need to consider how the decision might impact the markets when the decision clearly makes business sense. If you bought on the rumor and held, you should take responsibility for it.

-At that time I don't think the code reviews were really clear.  When XC got involved with other coins there were many users that thought it was part of a bigger collaboration and wanted to take part.  I actually still hold cache.  QiBucks was another odd collab which I didn't take part in.  The team still claims that QiBucks will be part of an ad network but I did not invest.  Why?  I thought it was odd when the QiBucks team lead openly admitted that they did not understand the importance of encrypting a wallet.  QiBucks also had hopes to deliver profits to holders by investing in other alt coins.  Riiiiiiight.  Oddly enough they did really good for a while I believe.  Eventually these collabs were more defined as code reviews and the announcements were more hidden or delayed.  I'm not completely against code reviews but that's really another topic altogether and is kinda squashed already.

I'd really like it if more of the community and the team used XCtalk as well. I'd also prefer IRC over this troll-infested forum. But this is nowhere near reason enough for me to be upset with the team on any level.

-When was I upset?  I did not take part in the name calling and I don't think I was being unreasonable.  But other forum users and the team exchanged some exciting barbs.  It's looks bad when you ban peeps for name calling though and then call them names.

Regarding the delayed open source timeline XC has, consider all sides. You have to recognize how detrimental it would be to the whole crypto scene and the development of the technology if the source were opened up entirely right now. Simultaneously, yes, one must also consider how detrimental it would be to lose source code for whatever reason. I think that what Dan has said, about the source code having already been distributed amongst a handful of trusted peers, is a decent compromise.

-I agree with you.  This ONLY becomes a concern when we use govt. keywords, take political stances, ignore legal altogether, etc.

Yes, self-imposed deadlines that are missed are super fucking annoying. But, again, this is not nearly enough for me to throw in the towel here. This is coding and software development. Shit happens along the path of development. Unforeseen things come up last minute. As long as Dan demonstrates that he is continuing to work on the project (and he certainly damn well does with his constant updates), I can't complain.

-I never said I was throwing in the towel.  I wouldn't be so passionate about xc if I didn't care about it.

If the XC thread looks like a Cloak thread (I've never been to the Cloak thread), might I assume it is because of an abundance of trolling? What can be done about this besides moderate the thread?

-This refers more to the back and forth name calling, big announcements with graphics and all delivery in the future, anger and frustration shown by the xc team when they are asked reasonable questions, etc.  Cloak never delivered much but had a pretty cool POS wallet.  

I know the drop in price is frustrating, but I really don't see what we have to discuss here as far as complaints with the path XC is taking.

-I was banned from the official xc thread so this is where I have discussions now.   [EDIT] I may of not been banned, just had several posts deleted

[jibble]

Thank you for giving me a place to post about XC URSAY.

My advice to any potential XC investor: WAIT UNTIL THEY OPEN SOURCE THE ANON CODE.

You can blindly trust them, or you can wait til they deliver. So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly. This coin already has a pretty high cap, so you are taking a big risk. Buying this coin without insider knowledge is gambling, not investing/trading.

Sound piece of investment advice.

This is a closed source project , They have decided that once everything is double and triple checked and tested it will be open source, By Rev 3

If you don't trust the Dev and want actual source code, then wait for it to be released then choose based off your own assessment of the code.

If you trust in the Dev then by all means invest, but it is a closed sourced project currently so there is risk of failure, But it is only really the same amount of risk as any other crypto currency is. Every single investment in the crypto sphere is a gamble. It's a technology that hasn't reached mass adoption that has the potential to reach mass adoption, everyone is buying into what they think will lead to the to the all famed and glorious mass adoption.

Investing and trading are gambling , sorry to say it but most people that attempt to trade / emotionally tie themselves to an investment and invest is making a gamble , yes insider information will help in the short term and when making short term gains but not give you an overall direction the coin will take in the long term . Yes Bot's will make you money , they are designed mathematically to take advantage of volatility, the greater the volatility of the coin the better profit you stand to gain.  But they also have the chance of going wrong. almost every investment decision you make here is a gamble.







Most of the posts deleted from the xc forum have been circular arguments, People have claimed its just a circle jerk of supporters, no it's a circle jerk of trolls

"why isn't it open source yet"
"this shud be open source"
"I'M ASKING A LEGITIMATE QUESTION"
"why closed source you must be doing something you don't want us to see, i think you plan to invade the USA with a hitler clone army"
"it's a closed source project!"
"I'M ASKING A LEGITIMATE QUESTION"
"it's a closed source project!!"
"it's a closed source project!!!"

It has been said that their goal is to open source by or on Rev 3 . No matter how many times it is brought up that is when they will make it open source. This doesn't just serve 1 purpose, it protects the code , and also protects investors currently, until the code is "bulletproofed" in case there is exploits that have not been seen or found yet that someone may take advantage of. there are many purposes for delaying release of source code that are beneficial to begin with

Edit: althou i do agree with the banning of URSAY as a little unfair , URSAY is a concerned investor , like all investors should be. (if he was banned)


Yes i agree the marketing is done rather badly, it's the over sell , Making it look huge and shinny with sexy bits everywhere. This is most likely due to people complaining about advertising not being sufficient , this has put the team in a catch 22 situation, until open source there is not much that can be advertised, but to keep forum members happy we must try our best at advertising.

To me it doesn't look like someone is trying to use big flashy words to distract from something nefarious, which in the world of crypto is the automatic assumption of everyone who has ever had a bad experience, "if we cannot see it, it has to be bad"

This to me simply looks like someone who has gone thru at least college maybe university and studying advertising , their using the "educated norm" as i like to call it, the way you are taught how to advertise and how to attract people thru advertisements . it's like they are using the rule book of advertising down to the letter and not straying from what is usually taught in college/uni




While i disagree with the way they advertise i understand that there was a lot of investors unhappy at the lack of advertising , which resulted in the team following thru with requests. now only to be faced with people who are angry at a closed source project that is being overly advertised with flashy words for features that are not proven/verified by the a community of its peers yet, but by a select few people.

Yes it is illogical to advertise something that cannot be shown, but it is also illogical to jump to wild conclusions about code that is closed source, people are shouting "it's closed source" let us see the code, then claim there many different better solutions to anonymity, well hang on a second you just said the problem was you couldn't see the code? how are you able to judge it sufficiently without seeing the code, and if you can why even both being here, you can see the code and have already made a judgement why are you still here?  

Just like the blind believers illogically following the Dev, you have people who are illogically blinded by the fact it is closed source and then jump to wild conclusions without any evidence also, they are the opposite ends of the spectrum, over optimistic and overly pessimistic  

It's like the question of god's existence.....well you can't prove he isn't real.

"Well i can't see the code so it must be shit, and my opinion is the only evidence required because i "feel" something isn't right"


While i cannot deny there is a lot of blindless support that goes on (this happens in EVERY SINGLE COIN)

You also cannot deny that there has been a huge number of trolls asking the same questions over and over and getting answers to those questions and yet still not being able to get away from that subject(while acting as if they are remaining totally objective) you have super emotionally bias people that have judged the coin purely on their emotions which leads to illogical assumptions.  The jumping on any little detail and trying to turn it into a big thing.




Yes the advertising could benefit to be toned down on the hype the stuff no one can see side , Yes it is closed sourced and yes it is a gamble , But the team have been constantly developing and bring constant updates to the platform , They are still there working away , Normally a coin fades into darkness and "dies" when development stops when the dev is no longer working towards the goals of mass adoption/ease of use /utility, or is just plain inactive and hardly does anything. This is clearly not the case for XC .

[infinitechaos]

Thanks for taking the time to respond, URSAY.

I will say that my post was in response to the concerns you raised, but not necessarily directed at you.

As such, I never meant to imply that you'd gotten upset in particular, but that there was some unhappiness in general.

It sounds like we're somewhat on the same page.

I agree about the concern for legal repercussions of using certain terms and I hope the team can find a way to best utilize language in upcoming official documentation and advertising. It is apparent that the fine details are still being discussed and determined and I would think that the team will listen to these concerns and do their best to tie together all the loose ends with regards to legality.

The ITO is still a week away. Given Dan's pace of development, I wouldn't be surprised if he delivers a more finely tuned, perhaps finalized, XChat before really getting started on BlockNet. We shall see...

And I'm glad you're not throwing in the towel despite having been banned from the official thread apparently. I've appreciated your contributions. And I think the team would be more receptive to your contributions and feedback if there were not a hoard of nit-picking trolls dishing out their rhetoric and punchlines alongside your input.

[URSAY]

And I'm glad you're not throwing in the towel despite having been banned from the official thread apparently. I've appreciated your contributions. And I think the team would be more receptive to your contributions and feedback if there were not a hoard of nit-picking trolls dishing out their rhetoric and punchlines alongside your input.

Honestly, now I'm not sure I was banned.  3 of my posts were deleted but I'm not sure I was banned.  I apologize to the team if that mistake on my part set off additional trolls.  Dealing with the constant influx of users that have strong opinions is not an easy job.

It just got really tense in there for a bit and I saw a ban or two that became questionable.  Also, if PR feels the need to get emotional or call names, step away from the keyboard and breathe.  I really hated seeing the PR guy call someone a retard and Dan following up with a confirmation of that statement and ban.

[rdnkjdi]

Honestly, now I'm not sure I was banned

They will send you a message if you are thread banned (or should state it on the thread).  User so & so is banned.

Back on the issue of open source - here's the problem.  I count Darkcoin, Monero, BitcoinDark all with SIGNIFICANTLY larger market caps.  And they are all open sourced. 

If XC really had what it claims to - why would they not release it?  If somebody wants to clone anonymity - they can do it already with projects that are much larger in market cap & older than XCurrency.  Deciding to come out with "the internet of blockchains" before you open source your code raises some massive red flags.  You aren't finishing the project before you start this under taking?  It looks like you're simply chasing the fads & have no real bearing.  In addition - there's no way to really verify the last six months of performance / code quality.  There's no way of knowing if you're selling a load of hoarse shit.

I'm seeing XC is down to 1.8 Million.  Monero (disclaimer - I own some) is releasing (I think) like 15,000 coins on the market per day.  XC is slowly fading into oblivion.  The only reason it hasn't had the shit dumped out of it is because it's PoS & releasing few new coins.  So it's held up by holders - it's not attracting new buyers.  If you add up this market action with Dan's tendancy to pump other coins - some of which supposedly do the same thing as XC (privacy messaging \ transactions).  And the fact that the blocknet is made up of largely unknown coins at best / scam coins at worst.  Then the appearance is that rather than focus on delivering XC which was to be open sourced - this is a desperate grab at funds.

You're really trying to sell an idea to the community when you haven't opensourced the last six months of your project?  Perhaps all of the pre-mine funds have been used up & the development needs to move on to another project to win the bread?

If the coins primary selling point is anonymity and it's closed sourced there can be little to no verification of any of the development claims in the last several months.  The ONLY thing people are buying is that whatever tech is under the hood will beat out Darkcoin, Monero, BitcoinDark, etc.  & this bet is placed purely on the hype machine known as XC.  Nothing else.

So yeah.  Open source matters in this space.  As it should. 

With Darkcoin open sourcing, cryptonote going mainstream then then btcd the market for closed sourced anonymity solutions has effectively been filled.  It's like buying a pile of dirt that claims there is gold in it - or buying gold.  It's not so much that XC has changed - but the market around it has.

[jibble]

Honestly, now I'm not sure I was banned

They will send you a message if you are thread banned (or should state it on the thread).  User so & so is banned.

Back on the issue of open source - here's the problem.  I count Darkcoin, Monero, BitcoinDark all with SIGNIFICANTLY larger market caps.  And they are all open sourced.  

If XC really had what it claims to - why would they not release it?  If somebody wants to clone anonymity - they can do it already with projects that are much larger in market cap & older than XCurrency.  Deciding to come out with "the internet of blockchains" before you open source your code raises some massive red flags.  You aren't finishing the project before you start this under taking?  It looks like you're simply chasing the fads & have no real bearing.  In addition - there's no way to really verify the last six months of performance / code quality.  There's no way of knowing if you're selling a load of hoarse shit.

I'm seeing XC is down to 1.8 Million.  Monero (disclaimer - I own some) is releasing (I think) like 15,000 coins on the market per day.  XC is slowly fading into oblivion.  The only reason it hasn't had the shit dumped out of it is because it's PoS & releasing few new coins.  So it's held up by holders - it's not attracting new buyers.  If you add up this market action with Dan's tendancy to pump other coins - some of which supposedly do the same thing as XC (privacy messaging \ transactions).  And the fact that the blocknet is made up of largely unknown coins at best / scam coins at worst.  Then the appearance is that rather than focus on delivering XC which was to be open sourced - this is a desperate grab at funds.

You're really trying to sell an idea to the community when you haven't opensourced the last six months of your project?  Perhaps all of the pre-mine funds have been used up & the development needs to move on to another project to win the bread?

If the coins primary selling point is anonymity and it's closed sourced there can be little to no verification of any of the development claims in the last several months.  The ONLY thing people are buying is that whatever tech is under the hood will beat out Darkcoin, Monero, BitcoinDark, etc.  & this bet is placed purely on the hype machine known as XC.  Nothing else.

So yeah.  Open source matters in this space.  As it should.  

With Darkcoin open sourcing, cryptonote going mainstream then then btcd the market for closed sourced anonymity solutions has effectively been filled.  It's like buying a pile of dirt that claims there is gold in it - or buying gold.

I really don't understand how you can include Darkcoin in that analogy, the coin was closed source, and set to a specific schedule to be open sourced, when they were ready.

XC is saying the same thing, We will open source "at this period of development"

How about when dark had a market cap that was worth more than every single other anon coin together and was still closed source?

[rdnkjdi]

Yea ... I get what you're saying.  But darkcoin had first mover advantage.  

Maybe I'm wrong and XC will come roaring back.  I just don't see room for it in the top 20 with BTCD, Monero & Darkcoin all above it in market cap especially when it chooses to remain closed source.

[jibble]

Yea ... I get what you're saying.  But darkcoin had first mover advantage.  

Maybe I'm wrong and XC will come roaring back.  I just don't see room for it in the top 20 with BTCD, Monero & Darkcoin all above it in market cap especially when it chooses to remain closed source.

See i don't know.

From this last trend in coins, which was the anon trend, Current is cannabis which seems to have been much shorter lived. It seems the anon function alone is something that in the future generation of coins is going to becoming prerequisite for all coins being created. The anon is becoming a standard feature on any wallet. The trend lasted much longer than normal trends usually happen and many more coins are joining in on it and i do think that is because it is something that is valued and needed , With the media for the last year or so story after story of how the NSA can hack into your accounts and make it look like you had payments from terrorists going back 12 years to , the ability to hack into every single computer on earth with ease. This is why the trend has lasted so long and why still more and more people are trying to make new solutions and new possibilities.

It is something that is urgently required not just for the tech geeks but for everyone and anyone using technology , the ability to not have your every move traced.

It will most likely depend on the other features the coin can bring and how easy they can be to use, general adoption like normal.

While i cannot with 100% certaintly say XC is going to be THE coin to solve all the problems and be the more feature rich and easiest to use therefore the best, It is still a horse in the race, i am currently invested in 2 of the other coins you mentioned. I see the anon as a foundation on the coins themselves , The impressive thing is , it cannot be denied that all the coin dev's of aforementioned coins have been working their asses off , pushing for a similar goal. They have provided constant updates and new innovation to the crypto space.

it would be a pretty safe gamble to suggest that the best anon solution/coin hasn't even been made yet

[rdnkjdi]

I agree with you on everything you said.

[Aristophanes]

Thank you for giving me a place to post about XC URSAY.

My advice to any potential XC investor: WAIT UNTIL THEY OPEN SOURCE THE ANON CODE.

You can blindly trust them, or you can wait til they deliver. So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly. This coin already has a pretty high cap, so you are taking a big risk. Buying this coin without insider knowledge is gambling, not investing/trading.

Just like the blind believers illogically following the Dev, you have people who are illogically blinded by the fact it is closed source and then jump to wild conclusions without any evidence also, they are the opposite ends of the spectrum, over optimistic and overly pessimistic  

That's because EVERY anon coin that has promised a 100% trustless anon system HAS FAILED when they reveal their code.

I dumped a ton of XC yesterday just like I said I would in my deleted post, and I will gladly dump more. So go ahead and put some buy orders up.

I held XC, because I thought they had a moral high ground going for them.

I got a bit uneasy when Dan started doing work for coins that lied and fucked over their communities hard. But, I figured, the guy has gotta eat.

When I saw the blocknet announcement I laughed for a good 5 minutes. A bunch of scamcoins all grouped and XC is at the HEAD!

Sure their concepts all sound nice and fancy,, but none of them are practical at all. Bitcoin is extremely simple and 99.99% of people don't even use it!

I seriously cannot wait to come back in a few months and just twist the fucking knife in you pathetic cheerleaders. You are worse than the scammers themselves, because you blindly give them your money and speak out against people who criticize them.

Sure, XC can pump up 2-10x if the market lets it.. but I'm not taking a chance on that. I feel bad for the team members who have their name attached to XC... because when the XC whales dump.. they are going to get all the fallout.


I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

[URSAY]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

A few days ago there was speculation about A LOT of coins moving.  I know exactly who that is. 

[Aristophanes]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

Yea it was poorly worded... I should have said I know now what whales he listens to.

[rdnkjdi]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

Yea it was poorly worded... I should have said I know now what whales he listens to.

Just out of curiosity - any idea of what the average cost of early adopter who got his coins in the 100 days of mining was?  For a lot of coins I think later adopters never realize how cheap early adoption was (I know I was in this boat and got dumped on in another coin).  But per coinmarketcap - XC is cheaper than it's ever been except in the first several days.

[the_game1224]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

Yea it was poorly worded... I should have said I know now what whales he listens to.

Just out of curiosity - any idea of what the average cost of early adopter who got his coins in the 100 days of mining was?  For a lot of coins I think later adopters never realize how cheap early adoption was (I know I was in this boat and got dumped on in another coin).  But per coinmarketcap - XC is cheaper than it's ever been except in the first several days.

That's because the coin supply was cut dramatically when PoW ended early, price spiked in relation.  Here is a link from the original thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600706.msg6617723#msg6617723

[rdnkjdi]

That's because the coin supply was cut dramatically when PoW ended early, price spiked in relation.  Here is a link from the original thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=600706.msg6617723#msg6617723

Ah so basically a few people got in back when total supply was going to be 16 - 33 mil - but the supply changed to 5 - 6 million & that's the price spike.

[URSAY]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

Yea it was poorly worded... I should have said I know now what whales he listens to.

Can you mention what these whales want to happen or discuss what they may be suggesting are priorities?

[Aristophanes]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

Yea it was poorly worded... I should have said I know now what whales he listens to.

Can you mention what these whales want to happen or discuss what they may be suggesting are priorities?

A whale's priority is always the same... create perceived value and profit off it. I don't think they all just log into a chat room and have a meeting haha.. For one to profit more another has to profit less... so while some may collude.. there is always incentive to reneg and dump first. I held enough XC to be considered an XC whale, but I got banned from the thread for voicing my views in a satirical manner.

If you have been following XC for a while you would know that there has been no buy support (AKA no one to dump on). This blocknet thing is a pathetic attempt to create it. I actually should thank them, because it is allowing me to exit XC.

This new network of coins thing is the next flavor of the month to attract the sheep. SuperNet and Atomic already exist.

XC can very well still get pumped, but I'm not taking the chance. I'll buy back in when all the cheerleaders start crying and panic sell.



O and if people aren't crying, it means the price definitely isn't low enough yet ;p

[URSAY]

A whale's priority is always the same

Generally, across all coins and industries, some whales are more concerned with the development of technology and being able to use that tech for the greater good more so then the short term financials.  Potential financial profit motivates many but not all.

[tat123]

I also have some inside information about who is controlling Dan now, but I'll keep that to myself.

Perhaps you can say, is this a matter of proving a percentage of market holdings to have a more weighted opinion?

Yea it was poorly worded... I should have said I know now what whales he listens to.

Can you mention what these whales want to happen or discuss what they may be suggesting are priorities?

A whale's priority is always the same... create perceived value and profit off it. I don't think they all just log into a chat room and have a meeting haha.. For one to profit more another has to profit less... so while some may collude.. there is always incentive to reneg and dump first. I held enough XC to be considered an XC whale, but I got banned from the thread for voicing my views in a satirical manner.

If you have been following XC for a while you would know that there has been no buy support (AKA no one to dump on). This blocknet thing is a pathetic attempt to create it. I actually should thank them, because it is allowing me to exit XC.

This new network of coins thing is the next flavor of the month to attract the sheep. SuperNet and Atomic already exist.

XC can very well still get pumped, but I'm not taking the chance. I'll buy back in when all the cheerleaders start crying and panic sell.



O and if people aren't crying, it means the price definitely isn't low enough yet ;p

"If you have been following XC for a while you would know that there has been no buy support" (AKA no one to dump on).

Well... I have been following XC every single day for the past 5 months, so I have a question. No buy support? When MP was running, there was always enough buys to absorb a dump. You could of dumped 20,000 coins at anytime and the price would of remained above 100k. When MP went down, so did the liquidity. Why would you wait, when you could of dumped on MP?

What I am interested in, is your claim of insider information. Did Bobsurplus tell you that? Or did Pookie tell you this? Probably the latter... right pookie? Always posturing how many XC you have. You stated that all coins which reveal their Anon get dumped because they turn out to be vapor. So why hold a big bag of XC if they are closed source? You are contradicting yourself. Oh... right. XC had the high moral ground. Now they are a bunch of scammers after all the work they have done? Dan has delivered time and time again, but now after all the work he has done, he is a scammer who listens to whales? Hmmm. Dan has proved his worth, how about you prove yours by providing evidence of him being manipulated by whales?  

[tat123]

I said I wouldn't reveal my info.. that is the nature of insider info.. I won't get anymore if I'm seen blurting it out. I'm honestly doing you a favor with that warning.

Believe what you want to believe, I can only help connect the dots for you. Any investor knows that when good news comes out and the price drops in response its a VERY bad sign.

Good luck to you sir.

Lmao! I have no idea why you PM me. But I believe in transpararency, so I have posted your comment.

The very fact that you mentioned insider information on a public forum should constitute a backlash from your sources. They don't care about you dropping names... they care about the execution of the plan. The plan you revealed on a open forum. Oops!

Good luck to you sir.

[Aristophanes]

Lol. you are ridiculous.

I private messaged you, because you commented about me in a thread where I am banned (before you wrote your replies here). It seemed like the appropriate thing to do.


The walls were always far lower than the actual price, so running my bot to gradually sell off would have always been better. I didn't dump, because at the time I had faith in XC. Those walls couldn't absorb anyone selling off on the top of the rich list.



Regarding Dan delivering... I keep hearing this. I don't get it?? I keep seeing Rev this and that released. Yes he has coded stuff and made a decent looking wallet.. but he hasn't delivered anything of value until that anon source code gets released. If its released and it is 100% working trustless anon, then yes he delivered.  That is all any real crypto investor gives a shit about. We are not in it to gamble and play the stupid pump game... where only the coin owners win.

The coins that XC has now grouped themselves with are run by people who have run scam coins with promises of anon features in the past. Those systems all had similar claims and bullshit graphics that proved anonymity. EXACTLY the same sentiment as XC is now. The XC team knows who these people are and chooses to associate with them. Sorry, that puts XC in the same boat as them.

I guess you will have to learn the hard way. If you are in this, because you are expecting a pump and planning to take profit, then ok do your thing... If you are in it for the long haul then god help you.

[atcsecure]

I keep hearing this. I don't get it?? I keep seeing Rev this and that released. Yes he has coded stuff and made a decent looking wallet.. but he hasn't delivered anything of value until that anon source code gets released. If its released and it is 100% working trustless anon, then yes he delivered.  That is all any real crypto investor gives a shit about. We are not in it to gamble and play the stupid pump game... where only the coin owners win.

The wallet is released and it is 100% working decentralized trustless mixing, which has been demonstrated several times and a visual block explorer was built showing how complex the anon system really is

all your doing is spreading FUD because I won't open source it.  Here is proof http://imgur.com/h8rFt5U or just go download the wallet it test it for your self


2nd - the trustless anon & xchat was developed after XC's ATH price, so its not a stupid pump game, its real technology, combined with Xchat, which is real tech developed in-house, not a cloned CINNI EM system.

3rd - I'm NOT involved with any scam coins so stop making false allegations

Dan

[joebob999]

The wallet is released and it is 100% working decentralized trustless mixing, which has been demonstrated several times and a visual block explorer was built showing how complex the anon system really is

I'm sorry.  But without actual code review by the community - I don't care what factors from the outside looking in are used to measure the supposed "anoniminity" of a coin.  It isn't enough.  It's like a code review of 400,000 lines of code by one developer in six hours.

Sure.  He looked at it.  But regardless of his experience level - it proves nothing about the security or trustworthiness of the coins claims.  How many "code reviews" and external factors have been looking for exploits in Windows?   Even with thousands of developers spending millions of man hours "code reviewing" it - it STILL isn't secure.

Software that needs to be secure (in this case anoniminity needs to be secure) is not considered so until it's open sourced.  Period.

all your doing is spreading FUD because I won't open source it.  Here is proof http://imgur.com/h8rFt5U or just go download the wallet it test it for your self

Stop it with the FUD accusations.  Legitimate concerns are NOT FUD.  Saying "I have the best anoniminity technology on the market.  Even though my coin is 20th on the market cap and I haven't open sourced it yet - just trust me" is MUCH more misleading than the "FUD" you accuse us of.  How about we just drop the terms FUD & SHILL and hold each other accountable to try & discover the truth about any given coin / technology?

2nd - the trustless anon & xchat was developed after XC's ATH price, so its not a stupid pump game, its real technology, combined with Xchat, which is real tech developed in-house, not a cloned CINNI EM system.

Again.  Until it's open sourced no one knows.  I have a hunch that it's probably modified code.  Or terrible with lots of holes.  Because the fact that your coin is 20th on the market cap with like 4 legit contenders - some of which have passed you in the last three month period while your coin has continued to fall.  Screams that you need legitimacy more than you need other coins to not clone you.  So the "I don't want clones" doesn't really hold water.

3rd - I'm NOT involved with any scam coins so stop making false allegations

Again.  Lets worry about the truth - not what paints who in a bad light.  The BlockNET is including coins with developers who in the past have left "investors" out to dry by promising technology and then delivering far far less.  Then move on to the next promised project / pump.

I view this as no less than a scam.  The fact that you are working with these developers to try and bring value to both their coin and your coin makes you "involved" with these coins, no?

In fact - haven't you kinda made a living by selling the "legitimacy" of XC to pump other coins?  Isn't that all this is - just on a much bigger scale?

http://xc-official.com/xcurrency-code-reviews-the-de-facto-standard-of-legitimacy-among-altcoins.html

You're using the fact that you can create pump on small coins as a marketing technique?  The reality / truth looks more like this

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/halcyon/

[atcsecure]

In fact - haven't you kinda made a living by selling the "legitimacy" of XC to pump other coins?  Isn't that all this is - just on a much bigger scale?

http://xc-official.com/xcurrency-code-reviews-the-de-facto-standard-of-legitimacy-among-altcoins.html

No I haven't made a living off any of that - your reaching to conclusions that try and justify your delusional reasoning based on false assumptions

[Revelation]

I have posted this:

How on Earth are you "respecting the possibility that hype could lead to overbought conditions during the ITO and prompt a selloff that harms investors"? You are trying to squeeze as much juice from investors as you can by offering huge IPO. You are NOT respecting the possibility of a selloff, you are creating that possibility with your enormous ceiling, 24h marketing and hype (and that fairytale story of 400-900% return). By doing this you are lowering post-ITO demand as investors that support you will be fully invested when the ITO ends.
Stop with the PR and marketing and bring some real development before the ITO.

My post got deleted as being uncivil. I am becoming increasingly concerned. I was thinking of investing however this dictatorial approach is really scary.

[synechist]

I have posted this:

How on Earth are you "respecting the possibility that hype could lead to overbought conditions during the ITO and prompt a selloff that harms investors"? You are trying to squeeze as much juice from investors as you can by offering huge IPO. You are NOT respecting the possibility of a selloff, you are creating that possibility with your enormous ceiling, 24h marketing and hype (and that fairytale story of 400-900% return). By doing this you are lowering post-ITO demand as investors that support you will be fully invested when the ITO ends.
Stop with the PR and marketing and bring some real development before the ITO.

My post got deleted as being uncivil. I am becoming increasingly concerned. I was thinking of investing however this dictatorial approach is really scary.

Tell the other side of the story if you want to stand a chance of being perceived as fair:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9303725#msg9303725

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9296247#msg9296247

It's not a matter of my not respecting your views, it's a matter of your being abusive and aggressive.

Ask questions in a way that respects the people you're addressing, and everybody will benefit from your perspective.

[joebob999]

I have posted this:

https://i.imgur.com/uemUY11.png

How on Earth are you "respecting the possibility that hype could lead to overbought conditions during the ITO and prompt a selloff that harms investors"? You are trying to squeeze as much juice from investors as you can by offering huge IPO. You are NOT respecting the possibility of a selloff, you are creating that possibility with your enormous ceiling, 24h marketing and hype (and that fairytale story of 400-900% return). By doing this you are lowering post-ITO demand as investors that support you will be fully invested when the ITO ends.
Stop with the PR and marketing and bring some real development before the ITO.

My post got deleted as being uncivil. I am becoming increasingly concerned. I was thinking of investing however this dictatorial approach is really scary.

Tell the other side of the story if you want to stand a chance of being perceived as fair:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9303725#msg9303725

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9296247#msg9296247

It's not a matter of my not respecting your views, it's a matter of your being abusive and aggressive.

Ask questions in a way that respects the people you're addressing, and everybody will benefit from your perspective.

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

[synechist]

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

"Dictatorial" was a profoundly biased description.

That's what I was addressing.

[Revelation]

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

"Dictatorial" was a profoundly biased description.

That's what I was addressing.

My post was deleted for no apparent reason, nor did I try to offend anyone. As an investor I am feeling offended by the fact that you are making certain inaccurate claims that are supposed to appease me and other investors , whereas these claims are simply not true and are worrisome. When I've raised my concern about this my post was deleted. To me this is dictatorial.

[mr_random]

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

"Dictatorial" was a profoundly biased description.

That's what I was addressing.

My post was deleted for no apparent reason, nor did I try to offend anyone. As an investor I am feeling offended by the fact that you are making certain inaccurate claims that are supposed to appease me and other investors , whereas these claims are simply not true and are worrisome. When I've raised my concern about this my post was deleted. To me this is dictatorial.

Is it a coincidence that you're spreading so much negativity around the Blocknet topics and you're also a supporter of the Supernet?

[URSAY]

I understand both views here.  Let's try to move past this ban issue and build a strong foundation for xc together.  I had a few comments deleted around the time you were banned but we have to pick our battles.  You can always discuss the topics here if you can't post in the official threads.

By the way...It appears Dan may of just released a working version for mobile.  WHOA.  

[LD2164]

And your logic is flawed.  If to you what is dictatorial is deleting your post, then how come that post was deleted exactly for claiming dictatorial behaviour?  Circular reasoning.

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

"Dictatorial" was a profoundly biased description.

That's what I was addressing.

My post was deleted for no apparent reason, nor did I try to offend anyone. As an investor I am feeling offended by the fact that you are making certain inaccurate claims that are supposed to appease me and other investors , whereas these claims are simply not true and are worrisome. When I've raised my concern about this my post was deleted. To me this is dictatorial.

Is it a coincidence that you're spreading so much negativity around the Blocknet topics and you're also a supporter of the Supernet?

[Teka]

When did you post get deleted? I deleted many posts around baseless Fud (doesn't necessarily mean you were funding but your post was connected in some way) and some of them included Ursays but unless I state in the thread that you are banned there is no reason for you to believe that you are. No posts were deleted today mainly because I was out most of the day.

edit: NVM you were talking about the blocknet thread.

[URSAY]

When did you post get deleted? I deleted many posts around baseless Fud (doesn't necessarily mean you were funding but your post was connected in some way) and some of them included Ursays but unless I state in the thread that you are banned there is no reason for you to believe that you are. No posts were deleted today mainly because I was out most of the day.

This was a few days ago.  No worries.

People make mistakes.  Situations can be tense.  We're all human.  Let's discuss the important topics rather then the social dynamics and who is wrong or right in these scenarios.  In the end this sort of conversation just takes away from much more important and relevant topics about the xc platform itself.  

[EDIT]  Did I mention I was excited to see mobile released?   I would think that any investor/user would be very happy about this. 

[stealth923]

The wallet is released and it is 100% working decentralized trustless mixing, which has been demonstrated several times and a visual block explorer was built showing how complex the anon system really is

I'm sorry.  But without actual code review by the community - I don't care what factors from the outside looking in are used to measure the supposed "anoniminity" of a coin.  It isn't enough.  It's like a code review of 400,000 lines of code by one developer in six hours.

Sure.  He looked at it.  But regardless of his experience level - it proves nothing about the security or trustworthiness of the coins claims.  How many "code reviews" and external factors have been looking for exploits in Windows?   Even with thousands of developers spending millions of man hours "code reviewing" it - it STILL isn't secure.

Software that needs to be secure (in this case anoniminity needs to be secure) is not considered so until it's open sourced.  Period.

all your doing is spreading FUD because I won't open source it.  Here is proof http://imgur.com/h8rFt5U or just go download the wallet it test it for your self

Stop it with the FUD accusations.  Legitimate concerns are NOT FUD.  Saying "I have the best anoniminity technology on the market.  Even though my coin is 20th on the market cap and I haven't open sourced it yet - just trust me" is MUCH more misleading than the "FUD" you accuse us of.  How about we just drop the terms FUD & SHILL and hold each other accountable to try & discover the truth about any given coin / technology?

2nd - the trustless anon & xchat was developed after XC's ATH price, so its not a stupid pump game, its real technology, combined with Xchat, which is real tech developed in-house, not a cloned CINNI EM system.

Again.  Until it's open sourced no one knows.  I have a hunch that it's probably modified code.  Or terrible with lots of holes.  Because the fact that your coin is 20th on the market cap with like 4 legit contenders - some of which have passed you in the last three month period while your coin has continued to fall.  Screams that you need legitimacy more than you need other coins to not clone you.  So the "I don't want clones" doesn't really hold water.

3rd - I'm NOT involved with any scam coins so stop making false allegations

Again.  Lets worry about the truth - not what paints who in a bad light.  The BlockNET is including coins with developers who in the past have left "investors" out to dry by promising technology and then delivering far far less.  Then move on to the next promised project / pump.

I view this as no less than a scam.  The fact that you are working with these developers to try and bring value to both their coin and your coin makes you "involved" with these coins, no?

In fact - haven't you kinda made a living by selling the "legitimacy" of XC to pump other coins?  Isn't that all this is - just on a much bigger scale?

http://xc-official.com/xcurrency-code-reviews-the-de-facto-standard-of-legitimacy-among-altcoins.html

You're using the fact that you can create pump on small coins as a marketing technique?  The reality / truth looks more like this

http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/halcyon/

+2 Good Post

[Revelation]

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

"Dictatorial" was a profoundly biased description.

That's what I was addressing.

My post was deleted for no apparent reason, nor did I try to offend anyone. As an investor I am feeling offended by the fact that you are making certain inaccurate claims that are supposed to appease me and other investors , whereas these claims are simply not true and are worrisome. When I've raised my concern about this my post was deleted. To me this is dictatorial.

Is it a coincidence that you're spreading so much negativity around the Blocknet topics and you're also a supporter of the Supernet?

I never wrote anything about SuperNet. Your accusation is absolutely groundless and ridiculous.

[Revelation]

And your logic is flawed.  If to you what is dictatorial is deleting your post, then how come that post was deleted exactly for claiming dictatorial behaviour?  Circular reasoning.

Dude.  that's exactly what he said.

My post got deleted as being uncivil.

Reading comprehension?

"Dictatorial" was a profoundly biased description.

That's what I was addressing.

My post was deleted for no apparent reason, nor did I try to offend anyone. As an investor I am feeling offended by the fact that you are making certain inaccurate claims that are supposed to appease me and other investors , whereas these claims are simply not true and are worrisome. When I've raised my concern about this my post was deleted. To me this is dictatorial.

Is it a coincidence that you're spreading so much negativity around the Blocknet topics and you're also a supporter of the Supernet?

The post was not about dictatorship, my post was about the claim in the OP that is supposed to appease investors which is very offensive to me and should be to any investor. If you are accusing me of something, please, read carefully and turn reading comprehension on. 

[Este Nuno]

So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly.

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

[the_game1224]

So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly.

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Yes as far as I know CryptoNote is solid with the drawback being the bloat.  Having said that I haven't followed it in a while, has there been anything done to address that?

[Este Nuno]

So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly.

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Yes as far as I know CryptoNote is solid with the drawback being the bloat.  Having said that I haven't followed it in a while, has there been anything done to address that?

BBR has implemented a fix that scales the blockchain down linearly. It's an improvement, but not a complete solution.

I'm interested in learning more about XC's anon implementation, is there documentation yet or a timeline? Is the documentation expected around the same time as rev3?

[hoertest]

So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly.

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Yes as far as I know CryptoNote is solid with the drawback being the bloat.  Having said that I haven't followed it in a while, has there been anything done to address that?

BBR has implemented a fix that scales the blockchain down linearly. It's an improvement, but not a complete solution.

I'm interested in learning more about XC's anon implementation, is there documentation yet or a timeline? Is the documentation expected around the same time as rev3?

right with rev3 detailed documentation should be expected.
some will state the closed source debate here again. well i like how they go about it. it requires trust now. but the mixer works and there is a great graphical blockexplorer tool from kimmyf that visualises the tx for you to see. i can understand that people shy away from investing before open source but i'm willing to take the higher risk now in order for a higher ROI. so please not that debate here again now. last time i checked nobody was forced to buy any coins.

meanwhile here is the latest PR surrounding the core privacy approach of XC:

http://xc-official.com/xcurrencys-revolutionary-privacy-advancement-trustless-ad-hoc-mesh-networking.html

its far from the socalled "whitepaper" but it gives mor info at least. I think both the cryptonote route and XCs idea are the right way to really bring that last evolutionary step to crypto in order to make it the digital equivalent to gold. untraceable transactions are a mandatory characteristic that bitcoin is missing. still the idea of decentralisation must not be compromised. Everybody that is working on this gets a big thumps up from me. the bloat issues of CN give XC the edge here imo.  (please don'T attack me monero fans  )

people underestimate the importance of private transactions. this is not a trend like country or weed coins. its the missing part of the puzzle to kill fiat for good. the possible ROI is gigantic. those 15 $ DRK was just a mild preview of whats possible.

[Este Nuno]

So far, every anon coin that has claimed to have a 100% working anon has failed and has dumped horribly.

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Yes as far as I know CryptoNote is solid with the drawback being the bloat.  Having said that I haven't followed it in a while, has there been anything done to address that?

BBR has implemented a fix that scales the blockchain down linearly. It's an improvement, but not a complete solution.

I'm interested in learning more about XC's anon implementation, is there documentation yet or a timeline? Is the documentation expected around the same time as rev3?

right with rev3 detailed documentation should be expected.
some will state the closed source debate here again. well i like how they go about it. it requires trust now. but the mixer works and there is a great graphical blockexplorer tool from kimmyf that visualises the tx for you to see. i can understand that people shy away from investing before open source but i'm willing to take the higher risk now in order for a higher ROI. so please not that debate here again now. last time i checked nobody was forced to buy any coins.

meanwhile here is the latest PR surrounding the core privacy approach of XC:

http://xc-official.com/xcurrencys-revolutionary-privacy-advancement-trustless-ad-hoc-mesh-networking.html

its far from the socalled "whitepaper" but it gives mor info at least. I think both the cryptonote route and XCs idea are the right way to really bring that last evolutionary step to crypto in order to make it the digital equivalent to gold. untraceable transactions are a mandatory characteristic that bitcoin is missing. still the idea of decentralisation must not be compromised. Everybody that is working on this gets a big thumps up from me. the bloat issues of CN give XC the edge here imo.  (please don'T attack me monero fans  )

people underestimate the importance of private transactions. this is not a trend like country or weed coins. its the missing part of the puzzle to kill fiat for good. the possible ROI is gigantic. those 15 $ DRK was just a mild preview of whats possible.

Don't worry about me, I definitely don't have any plans to go offtopic in this thread. Only reason I commented up there in the beginning was the "100%" claim, but I don't intend to post about that any more than I already have.

Looking forward to seeing rev3 stuff when it comes out. Always interesting to compare different implementations.

[rdnkjdi]

it requires trust now. but the mixer works and there is a great graphical blockexplorer tool from kimmyf that visualises the tx for you to see.

Thank you for your honesty on this.  This is (one) of my biggest problems with XC.  It's sold as the best at anonymous transactions without opensource without explaining that you really need to take the devs word that it is the best anonymity solution.

[hoertest]

it requires trust now. but the mixer works and there is a great graphical blockexplorer tool from kimmyf that visualises the tx for you to see.

Thank you for your honesty on this.  This is (one) of my biggest problems with XC.  It's sold as the best at anonymous transactions without opensource without explaining that you really need to take the devs word that it is the best anonymity solution.

See i don't have a problem with this one bit. they just say they think they have the best implementation. based on their rev1 that is open sourced i decided to buy in now cause i think they will follow through like they did with rev1. but nobody is forced to do so and i don't think that its moraly questionable to share what you are working on even if you don't put out every line of new code you write in realtime. I respect your position of wanting prove first but its has no ground for confrontation on the ethics of XCs team. its an investment decision and i can respect that.

[rdnkjdi]

I respect your position of wanting prove first but its has no ground for confrontation on the ethics of XCs team.

I feel it is misleading to state that the coin is better than anything else out there when it's not open sourced for the community to review.  The fact that it's "the best" is normally stated in a matter of fact way by the marketing team and Dan.

I've been following the XC project (you probably know why) and the issue of pumping other altcoins and now the SuperNET knockoff to raise more money / increase buying pressure so whales can offload (if you view events thru a cynical perspective instead of optimistic one).  Even IF I didn't have a problem with it being closed sourced before - would make me seriously question the integrity of the team who was promising me a technology that couldn't be verified for my investment.

As long as those putting their money into it fully trust both the judgement of the development team (that they can actually KNOW that their solution is the best out there like they claim) and the integrity.  Then by all means put money into it.  But closed source requires trust in the team - not the code itself having been reviewed by the entire community.  And those are two very different animals.

In my mind to promise something like the SuperNET before delivering open source of the actual full project is terrible.  Label it FUD, or pre-disposition, or whatever you'd like. 

[Aristophanes]

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Im looking more into this. Does XC implement this tech?


Cloak had their anon 'verified' as well (I made a lot off Cloak, because I knew when to sell). Until its open source and allowed meticulous review by the community, then it isn't verified. Yes, they are going to say they are going to EVENTUALLY let that happen, but you retards will trust the devs and give them your money before they do.

i can understand that people shy away from investing before open source but i'm willing to take the higher risk now in order for a higher ROI. so please not that debate here again now. last time i checked nobody was forced to buy any coins.

people underestimate the importance of private transactions. this is not a trend like country or weed coins. its the missing part of the puzzle to kill fiat for good. the possible ROI is gigantic. those 15 $ DRK was just a mild preview of whats possible.

Dark was the first mover. It had the advantage of pumping into the realm of unknown, so the upside was sky high. It has adjusted harshly since then.

Your 'higher risk for a higher ROI' strategy is a common fallacy that all you alt coin investors seem to have... and the coins keep suckering you in with it. Instead of delivering actual code, they find ways to give you more empty promises (like anon or the blocknet) and shake more money out of you. They give links to mixing graphics that look nice and pretty, but at the end of the day are nonsense and prove nothing. I had different views on XC UNTIL THEY GROUPED THEMSELVES WITH DEV TEAMS WHO DID EXACTLY WHAT I JUST DESCRIBED.


"Cheap XC cheap XC." Thats all you fools say. You will soon learn what actual cheap XC is, and many people like me will be there to get it. It's the price a sane person would pay for how high risk the investment actually is.

[Aristophanes]

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Im looking more into this. Does XC implement this tech?

This tech actually seems pretty promising, and I see many coins (with lower caps than XC) use it.

I have to work it out in my head... not sure how the system holds against someone analyzing the input and output amounts of a a transaction.. but I will get to the bottom of it.

[rdnkjdi]

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Im looking more into this. Does XC implement this tech?

This tech actually seems pretty promising, and I see many coins (with lower caps than XC) use it.

No.  XC does not use it.  My understanding is that CryptoNote is the only protocol that uses ring signatures (Monero, Boolberry, Darknote, Bytecoin).  Which is a completely separate codebase from bitcion & it's still fairly rough.

It also creates blockchain bloat (which XC has sworn to avoid).

[hoertest]

What about the CryptoNote ring signature tech that's been verified by cryptographers?

I wasn't aware of it being broken, do you have a link?

Im looking more into this. Does XC implement this tech?

This tech actually seems pretty promising, and I see many coins (with lower caps than XC) use it.

No.  XC does not use it.  My understanding is that CryptoNote is the only protocol that uses ring signatures (Monero, Boolberry, Darknote, Bytecoin).  Which is a completely separate codebase from bitcion & it's still fairly rough.

It also creates blockchain bloat (which XC has sworn to avoid).

 i never scream cheap XC. and i don't consider myself a fool either.
 again all crypto investing is voluntary last time i checked so i see no point in discussing these things to death. i don't do this with other coins i consider scams or when i don't like what they offer. i just don't buy them. i see no point in getting in their threads demanding explenations for actions that keep me from investing.

on the bloat thing. is the bloat a result of on chain anonymity?

and regarding the supernet knock off. all altcoins are bitcoin knockoffs or atleast startet as such and i'm glad they are here.

Regarding the importance of anonymity. DRK adjusted ,yes, but still this is the main piece in the puzzle missing to make crypto the digital cash/PM. bitcoin solved the double spend, now the only characteristica missing is untracebility of funds and transaction but without giving up the decentralisation of btc.  also other inconveniences that come with the task like bloat or on chain anonymity for later decryption should be avoided. XCs mixer tech solves this task imo. and i personally decided to put funds in it before open sourcing cause i anticipate a higher reward by doing so. i think its legitimate to articulate this especially in the XC community. i not once spammed other anon coins threads with my view. don't know how many in here can say this about themselfs.

Privacy is Freedom and thats essentially what satoshi wanted to give to humankind when he invented btc. thats no gimmick. its THE most important task of the digital age. i consider 15 $ cheap if i'm 100% shure a coin delivers this to my standards.

[rdnkjdi]

I do agree with you that untracability is important.  

This article describes ring signatures & explains the reason for bloat - https://cryptonote.org/inside.php

My understanding is that the blockchain will be between 3 & 6 times bigger with ring signatures.  But it doesn't rely on client side mixing but the protocol itself.

My understanding about XC (correct me if I'm wrong) and Darkcoin both are that they have mixers (Darkcoin masternodes \ XC every node).  Not all of the coins are mixed - only the coins that you specify need to be mixed are mixed with other coins that are specify that they need to be mixed.  Is this the case with XC?

[hoertest]

I do agree with you that untracability is important. 

This article describes ring signatures & explains the reason for bloat - https://cryptonote.org/inside.php

My understanding is that the blockchain will be between 3 & 6 times bigger with ring signatures.  But it doesn't rely on client side mixing but the blockchain protocol itself.

At least we are on the same page there. 
its not important its mandatory. its the last step.

i think XCs quick MESHs will solve the issue better. having the other cornerstone called free (private) speech at hand on the same platform is a nice bonus. but i'm in this for the financial privacy.

I'm actually surprised how many consider this just another altcoin trend. precious metals aren't backed by ganja, they are not country specific, they don't store information. but they are private. the idea of bitcoin was to serve as form of money that can''t be created out of thin air, digital gold. what part is missing? privacy.

[slapper]

It is funny to see the XC PR machine abuse terms associated with BTC like decentralized, trustless etc etc and try to apply to this garbage bullshit scamcoin called XC. From Day 1 these clowns are all about trying to be me-too about everything and anything in crypto.

This coin is mined-out piece of shit. There is nothing more centralized than trying to sell mined out piece of shit and going door to door like the witnesses. You have a garbage closed source system and there is nothing trustless about it, even if you get it reviewed from any external source. CVEs come into play in 20-30 year code bases, only no one will even bother with this piece of crap because it doesn't deserve any.

This isn't what satoshi had envisioned. You will see it once you understand that getting your own heads out of your assess is a pre-requirement to understand these things. The "developer" of this scam coin hires off beat unknown coders to develop crap that can be sold to noobs who then make a fool out of themselves with their retardation in the self moderated thread. He had to fucking donate to loljosh to even launch the scam for crying out. If you believed them there were ASICs and FPGAs because of which they had to shut down PoW. Yah Satoshi envisioned all this   Bunch of scammy people associated behind the scenes with this as well as up front who will go underground in the coming days once the final tricks are pulled off from this latest scam and the idiot bagholders are what the rest of BTCTalk will have to endure listening to sorry sob stories.

Web 3.0? Decentralized? Trustless? BlockNET 2500 BTC IPO? Content serving from nodes? Code review pump and dumps? These clowns are all over the place. It is amazing to me that a crap coin like this is valued at 70K. Just dump it out and get it over.

Also why is Busoni all of a sudden allowing this? His lawyers are suddenly fine with this crap given they did the right thing by not allowing SuperNET ICO?

[rdnkjdi]

It is funny to see the XC PR machine abuse terms associated with BTC like decentralized, trustless etc etc and try to apply to this garbage bullshit scamcoin called XC. From Day 1 these clowns are all about trying to be me-too about everything and anything in crypto.

This coin is mined-out piece of shit. There is nothing more centralized than trying to sell mined out piece of shit and going door to door like the witnesses. You have a garbage closed source system and there is nothing trustless about it, even if you get it reviewed from any external source. CVEs come into play in 20-30 year code bases, only no one will even bother with this piece of crap because it doesn't deserve any.

This isn't what satoshi had envisioned. You will see it once you understand that getting your own heads out of your assess is a pre-requirement to understand these things. The "developer" of this scam coin hires off beat unknown coders to develop crap that can be sold to noobs who then make a fool out of themselves with their retardation in the self moderated thread. He had to fucking donate to loljosh to even launch the scam for crying out. If you believed them there were ASICs and FPGAs because of which they had to shut down PoW. Yah Satoshi envisioned all this   Bunch of scammy people associated behind the scenes with this as well as up front who will go underground in the coming days once the final tricks are pulled off from this latest scam and the idiot bagholders are what the rest of BTCTalk will have to endure listening to sorry sob stories.

Web 3.0? Decentralized? Trustless? BlockNET 2500 BTC IPO? Content serving from nodes? Code review pump and dumps? These clowns are all over the place. It is amazing to me that a crap coin like this is valued at 70K. Just dump it out and get it over.

Also why is Busoni all of a sudden allowing this? His lawyers are suddenly fine with this crap given they did the right thing by not allowing SuperNET ICO?

Tell us how you really feel :p

My understanding was that it was not going to be on ploniex

[slapper]

It is funny to see the XC PR machine abuse terms associated with BTC like decentralized, trustless etc etc and try to apply to this garbage bullshit scamcoin called XC. From Day 1 these clowns are all about trying to be me-too about everything and anything in crypto.

This coin is mined-out piece of shit. There is nothing more centralized than trying to sell mined out piece of shit and going door to door like the witnesses. You have a garbage closed source system and there is nothing trustless about it, even if you get it reviewed from any external source. CVEs come into play in 20-30 year code bases, only no one will even bother with this piece of crap because it doesn't deserve any.

This isn't what satoshi had envisioned. You will see it once you understand that getting your own heads out of your assess is a pre-requirement to understand these things. The "developer" of this scam coin hires off beat unknown coders to develop crap that can be sold to noobs who then make a fool out of themselves with their retardation in the self moderated thread. He had to fucking donate to loljosh to even launch the scam for crying out. If you believed them there were ASICs and FPGAs because of which they had to shut down PoW. Yah Satoshi envisioned all this   Bunch of scammy people associated behind the scenes with this as well as up front who will go underground in the coming days once the final tricks are pulled off from this latest scam and the idiot bagholders are what the rest of BTCTalk will have to endure listening to sorry sob stories.

Web 3.0? Decentralized? Trustless? BlockNET 2500 BTC IPO? Content serving from nodes? Code review pump and dumps? These clowns are all over the place. It is amazing to me that a crap coin like this is valued at 70K. Just dump it out and get it over.

Also why is Busoni all of a sudden allowing this? His lawyers are suddenly fine with this crap given they did the right thing by not allowing SuperNET ICO?

Tell us how you really feel :p

My understanding was that it was not going to be on ploniex

Tell it to the SEC http://www.sec.gov/complaint.shtml

[gameonbitches]

Tell it to the SEC http://www.sec.gov/complaint.shtml

I've been following XC.  I was a hodler for a long period and have been one of the ones dumping after announcement of the blocknet.  Luckily for XC - it only represented about 1% of my bitcoin holdings.

After seeing them offering this ICO it was too much to bear.  I'm so fucking sick of closed source and Dan the Pumper man pumping shitcoins.  Then their public IPO idea to raise MORE money than what they got from the premine.  And now this alliance with outright scammers.  It's just too much.

I will be reporting to the SEC with the original verbage that literally promised returns along with a list of the exchanges it will be listed on.

Can someone confirm that it will be happening on Poloniex?  I would prefer to catch them doing their IPO / ICO on a US based exchange.

[rdnkjdi]

[mav137]

its one thing to pull out your own funds, it's another to ruin the party for the rest of the investors.

Thats actually a real bitchmove

[NewWorldCoiner]

It is funny to see the XC PR machine abuse terms associated with BTC like decentralized, trustless etc etc and try to apply to this garbage bullshit scamcoin called XC. From Day 1 these clowns are all about trying to be me-too about everything and anything in crypto.

This coin is mined-out piece of shit. There is nothing more centralized than trying to sell mined out piece of shit and going door to door like the witnesses. You have a garbage closed source system and there is nothing trustless about it, even if you get it reviewed from any external source. CVEs come into play in 20-30 year code bases, only no one will even bother with this piece of crap because it doesn't deserve any.

This isn't what satoshi had envisioned. You will see it once you understand that getting your own heads out of your assess is a pre-requirement to understand these things. The "developer" of this scam coin hires off beat unknown coders to develop crap that can be sold to noobs who then make a fool out of themselves with their retardation in the self moderated thread. He had to fucking donate to loljosh to even launch the scam for crying out. If you believed them there were ASICs and FPGAs because of which they had to shut down PoW. Yah Satoshi envisioned all this   Bunch of scammy people associated behind the scenes with this as well as up front who will go underground in the coming days once the final tricks are pulled off from this latest scam and the idiot bagholders are what the rest of BTCTalk will have to endure listening to sorry sob stories.

Web 3.0? Decentralized? Trustless? BlockNET 2500 BTC IPO? Content serving from nodes? Code review pump and dumps? These clowns are all over the place. It is amazing to me that a crap coin like this is valued at 70K. Just dump it out and get it over.

Also why is Busoni all of a sudden allowing this? His lawyers are suddenly fine with this crap given they did the right thing by not allowing SuperNET ICO?

You know, no-one ever claimed the Rev1 bounty to discover a senders address from the blockchain.

Funny isn't it. A scam coin as you say, that has such a level of anonymity? How can this be I hear you ask?

Well, it just is. Because Dan was writing code when you were still in nappies. And it's closed source for now so no fucker rips it off.

Lets see what you're saying when Rev3 drops. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank, and you'll all be saying "Shit! I thought it was a scam!"

[NewWorldCoiner]

Tell it to the SEC http://www.sec.gov/complaint.shtml

I have more than 1 bitcointalk account.

I would never have guessed if you hadn't told me!

[URSAY]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

[slapper]

It is funny to see the XC PR machine abuse terms associated with BTC like decentralized, trustless etc etc and try to apply to this garbage bullshit scamcoin called XC. From Day 1 these clowns are all about trying to be me-too about everything and anything in crypto.

This coin is mined-out piece of shit. There is nothing more centralized than trying to sell mined out piece of shit and going door to door like the witnesses. You have a garbage closed source system and there is nothing trustless about it, even if you get it reviewed from any external source. CVEs come into play in 20-30 year code bases, only no one will even bother with this piece of crap because it doesn't deserve any.

This isn't what satoshi had envisioned. You will see it once you understand that getting your own heads out of your assess is a pre-requirement to understand these things. The "developer" of this scam coin hires off beat unknown coders to develop crap that can be sold to noobs who then make a fool out of themselves with their retardation in the self moderated thread. He had to fucking donate to loljosh to even launch the scam for crying out. If you believed them there were ASICs and FPGAs because of which they had to shut down PoW. Yah Satoshi envisioned all this   Bunch of scammy people associated behind the scenes with this as well as up front who will go underground in the coming days once the final tricks are pulled off from this latest scam and the idiot bagholders are what the rest of BTCTalk will have to endure listening to sorry sob stories.

Web 3.0? Decentralized? Trustless? BlockNET 2500 BTC IPO? Content serving from nodes? Code review pump and dumps? These clowns are all over the place. It is amazing to me that a crap coin like this is valued at 70K. Just dump it out and get it over.

Also why is Busoni all of a sudden allowing this? His lawyers are suddenly fine with this crap given they did the right thing by not allowing SuperNET ICO?

You know, no-one ever claimed the Rev1 bounty to discover a senders address from the blockchain.

Funny isn't it. A scam coin as you say, that has such a level of anonymity? How can this be I hear you ask?

Well, it just is. Because Dan was writing code when you were still in nappies. And it's closed source for now so no fucker rips it off.

Lets see what you're saying when Rev3 drops. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank, and you'll all be saying "Shit! I thought it was a scam!"

Github.

Whitepaper.

Prove cryptography. Math. Probability.

No one gives a rats ass about the sender address bullshit. That is just a tiny bit of privacy that we want. And even if no one has bothered yet, it is because no one gives a rats ass about bullshit mined out garbage.

[slapper]

Tell it to the SEC http://www.sec.gov/complaint.shtml

I have more than 1 bitcointalk account.

I would never have guessed if you hadn't told me!

Yah man it is all a big FUD. It is a conspiracy. You will be able to sell poop for $1 million one day and don't listen to all these naysayers. 

[slapper]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

You know it is extremely distressing to see someone with your background and time in Bitcoin world to be taking any of this crap seriously. It is just not expected and a crying shame.

What evidence are you looking for? Evidence is all laid out and well known. There is a reason no one wants to buy this shitcoin.

[URSAY]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.  Broad opinions are not evidence.

[slapper]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

[URSAY]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence and factual data compiled from both perspectives.  You seem to have nothing.

[slapper]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence compiled both ways.  You seem to have nothing.

This is exactly how their PR guy used to communicate. The guy who probably used "substantiate" more than the # of shitcoins he probably peddles on a daily basis.

The joke and onus is on you. Do you have a whitepaper explaining cryptography and math behind what your coin claims to do ?

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

Do you want me to prove OJ did it? 

[URSAY]

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

If I want something I take care of it myself.  I don't actually need anything from you.  What I'm saying is if you want to make very broad claims then back them up.  If you can't back them up then it's unreasonable to present your theory while insulting someone...anyone around you.

[G-Bert]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence compiled both ways.  You seem to have nothing.

This is exactly how their PR guy used to communicate. The guy who probably used "substantiate" more than the # of shitcoins he probably peddles on a daily basis.

The joke and onus is on you. Do you have a whitepaper explaining cryptography and math behind what your coin claims to do ?

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

Do you want me to prove OJ did it? 

just wondering... robin williams...that you? 

[slapper]

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

If I want something I take care of it myself.  I don't actually need anything from you.  What I'm saying is if you want to make very broad claims then back them up.  If you can't back them up then it's unreasonable to present your theory while insulting someone...anyone around you.

I don't need to provide anything. But this is for you to get started https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.0

Find out how this coin ended PoW.

Find out how these guys just used some bozos to join their team as faces the world should care about as if they had any credibility.

Find out how some of the most shady people like Jasin Lee were directly associated with this shit coin.

Find out how complete utter bullshit terms are thrown around on a daily basis hoping some noob falls for it.

Find out how loljosh was paid 0.8 Bitcoin to start this coin.

Find out how they mocked every other coin with absolutely nothing to back themselves up first.

Find out who some of the early pumpers were and how they dumped at the peak and laughed their asses off to even see how far this coin went with bullshit initial claims that were proven to be complete BS.

Find out how they pump and dump using reviews as an excuse. 100s of bitcoin core coders and cryptographers dont abuse their actual names to do something like this. All with some recent bullshit street cred. Other legitimate devs dont do this either.

The list is very long. It is just that the moderated thread served a great purpose for them to curb these things to be brought up and it should have been brought up regularly to save the noobs.

And now they want 2500 BTCs   What the fuck is wrong with you people. Are you fucking serious?

[slapper]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence compiled both ways.  You seem to have nothing.

This is exactly how their PR guy used to communicate. The guy who probably used "substantiate" more than the # of shitcoins he probably peddles on a daily basis.

The joke and onus is on you. Do you have a whitepaper explaining cryptography and math behind what your coin claims to do ?

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

Do you want me to prove OJ did it? 

just wondering... robin williams...that you? 

No you have a hangover from hanging out in a self moderated thread all day giving each other congratulatory hand jobs for a rim job well done. GTFO and hope some noob can buy your shitcoin some day.

[G-Bert]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence compiled both ways.  You seem to have nothing.

This is exactly how their PR guy used to communicate. The guy who probably used "substantiate" more than the # of shitcoins he probably peddles on a daily basis.

The joke and onus is on you. Do you have a whitepaper explaining cryptography and math behind what your coin claims to do ?

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

Do you want me to prove OJ did it? 

just wondering... robin williams...that you? 

No you have a hangover from hanging out in a self moderated thread all day giving each other congratulatory hand jobs for a rim job well done. GTFO and hope some noob can buy your shitcoin some day.

 

we'll see what happens ay.

I wonder though, why are u so angry? Or, why do you give a shit if you're not? Its not like you are kindly trying to save us from a scam out of the goodness of your heart.

you linked to a DRK vs XC thread that no one has posted in for 2 months since everyone decided it was a pointless pissing match.

What I'm getting at is what is your point? why bother? u think its a scam fuck off and stfu. xx

[URSAY]

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

If I want something I take care of it myself.  I don't actually need anything from you.  What I'm saying is if you want to make very broad claims then back them up.  If you can't back them up then it's unreasonable to present your theory while insulting someone...anyone around you.

I don't need to provide anything. But this is for you to get started https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=631052.0

-DRK vs. XC thread for the most part?

Find out how these guys just used some bozos to join their team as faces the world should care about as if they had any credibility.

-Not sure what this means

Find out how some of the most shady people like Jasin Lee were directly associated with this shit coin.

-That's been covered quite a bit and dealt with I believe.

Find out how complete utter bullshit terms are thrown around on a daily basis hoping some noob falls for it.

-Another broad statement I will try and decode.  While I agree that sometimes the PR speak is not the best, that is not an easy job.

The PR can be dumbed down at times.
Find out how loljosh was paid 0.8 Bitcoin to start this coin.

-

so I copied darkcoins closed source code?


the only scam is darkcoins 50% premine

No he meant X11, the PoW he came up with. I think initial mixers were some copied from some other coin. loljosh should have the details. Ask him.

okay so you think loljosh created xnodes?

I don't know what your smoking but the xnode protocol was developed by myself and other developers.  It is based on my 20 years of experience of designing, coding and deploying advanced network solutions.

here is an example of some of my work ----- >>>>>>>>>

http://seclists.org/interesting-people/2002/Feb/107

Find out how they mocked every other coin with absolutely nothing to back themselves up first.

-Which coins did they mock?

Find out who some of the early pumpers were and how they dumped at the peak and laughed their asses off to even see how far this coin went with bullshit initial claims that were proven to be complete BS.

-Bitcoin gets pumped and dumped.  All the alts get it.
 
Find out how they pump and dump using reviews as an excuse. 100s of bitcoin core coders and cryptographers dont abuse their actual names to do something like this. All with some recent bullshit street cred. Other legitimate devs dont do this either.

-"reviews as an excuse"...huh?

The list is very long. It is just that the moderated thread served a great purpose for them to curb these things to be brought up and it should have been brought up regularly to save the noobs.

And now they want 2500 BTCs   What the fuck is wrong with you people. Are you fucking serious?

-I'm more interested in xc then BlockNet.

[slapper]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence compiled both ways.  You seem to have nothing.

This is exactly how their PR guy used to communicate. The guy who probably used "substantiate" more than the # of shitcoins he probably peddles on a daily basis.

The joke and onus is on you. Do you have a whitepaper explaining cryptography and math behind what your coin claims to do ?

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

Do you want me to prove OJ did it? 

just wondering... robin williams...that you? 

No you have a hangover from hanging out in a self moderated thread all day giving each other congratulatory hand jobs for a rim job well done. GTFO and hope some noob can buy your shitcoin some day.

 

we'll see what happens ay.

I wonder though, why are u so angry? Or, why do you give a shit if you're not? Its not like you are kindly trying to save us from a scam out of the goodness of your heart.

you linked to a DRK vs XC thread that no one has posted in for 2 months since everyone decided it was a pointless pissing match.

What I'm getting at is what is your point? why bother? u think its a scam fuck off and stfu. xx

My point was a response to URSAY asking me to provide evidence in this court of law since I seem to be a prosecutor and have evidence that cannot be searched on their own since everything is in some corner of my brain.

Thats when you faggoted inside saying I am someone who I dont know what the deal is.

Then you got angry because I called you out for the scumbag that you seem to be and now you are pissed off.

The correct route for you should have been to talk to URSAY and go back to your moderated thread of the decentralized trustless privacy platform 3.0 Proof of Blockchain mating end to end encrypted chat blocknet content serving solution to raise 2500 BTC because it is what Satoshi had envisioned and couldn't complete.

Don't drop the soap. Fucking prick.

[slapper]

Something.

We are on different pages. Done here for the most part. Later.

[URSAY]

Thats when you faggoted inside saying I am someone who I dont know what the deal is.

Don't drop the soap. Fucking prick.

Such anger.  Much wow.

[G-Bert]

When you have name calling with accusations your argument seems weak.  Presenting evidence with acutal links and an objective view would seem like a better approach.

Evidence is all laid out and well known.

No it is not.  Please post it.

Yes it is. Not going to do the job for you. Go find it for yourself.

I've already got plenty of evidence compiled both ways.  You seem to have nothing.

This is exactly how their PR guy used to communicate. The guy who probably used "substantiate" more than the # of shitcoins he probably peddles on a daily basis.

The joke and onus is on you. Do you have a whitepaper explaining cryptography and math behind what your coin claims to do ?

What evidence are you looking for anyway?

Do you want me to prove OJ did it? 

just wondering... robin williams...that you? 

No you have a hangover from hanging out in a self moderated thread all day giving each other congratulatory hand jobs for a rim job well done. GTFO and hope some noob can buy your shitcoin some day.

 

we'll see what happens ay.

I wonder though, why are u so angry? Or, why do you give a shit if you're not? Its not like you are kindly trying to save us from a scam out of the goodness of your heart.

you linked to a DRK vs XC thread that no one has posted in for 2 months since everyone decided it was a pointless pissing match.

What I'm getting at is what is your point? why bother? u think its a scam fuck off and stfu. xx

My point was a response to URSAY asking me to provide evidence in this court of law since I seem to be a prosecutor and have evidence that cannot be searched on their own since everything is in some corner of my brain.

Thats when you faggoted inside saying I am someone who I dont know what the deal is.

Then you got angry because I called you out for the scumbag that you seem to be and now you are pissed off.

The correct route for you should have been to talk to URSAY and go back to your moderated thread of the decentralized trustless privacy platform 3.0 Proof of Blockchain mating end to end encrypted chat blocknet content serving solution to raise 2500 BTC because it is what Satoshi had envisioned and couldn't complete.

Don't drop the soap. Fucking prick.

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

[slapper]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

[slapper]

Thats when you faggoted inside saying I am someone who I dont know what the deal is.

Don't drop the soap. Fucking prick.

Such anger.  Much wow.

Github. Math. Cryptography. Whitepaper. But I know where you have headed already. I made my point. Your turn.

[URSAY]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

We're not selling anything.  We're just trying to have a discussion.  Your using abusive language and making broad negative statements.

[slapper]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

We're not selling anything.  We're just trying to have a discussion.  Your using abusive language and making broad negative statements.

10 million vaporware shares are being sold ... for 2500 BTC.

You are using snake oil language and trying to sell snake oil .. for Bitcoins.

[G-Bert]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

so you are here to kindly help us from a potential scam, but have nothing to back up your claims while calling me a faggot?  

cheers pal.  

laters.

[URSAY]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

We're not selling anything.  We're just trying to have a discussion.  Your using abusive language and making broad negative statements.

10 million vaporware shares are being sold ... for 2500 BTC.

You are using snake oil language and trying to sell snake oil .. for Bitcoins.

I rarely discuss BlockNet and I've never said anything about buying into it.  Show me my snake oil language.  I hope it doesn't bite me.  

[slapper]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

We're not selling anything.  We're just trying to have a discussion.  Your using abusive language and making broad negative statements.

10 million vaporware shares are being sold ... for 2500 BTC.

You are using snake oil language and trying to sell snake oil .. for Bitcoins.

I rarely discuss BlockNet and I've never said anything about buying into it.  Show me my snake oil language.  I hope it doesn't bite me.  

Remove Blocknet from thread title then. Seems deceptive advertising, just like everything in XC. You seem to have fit right in.

Math. Crypto. GitHub source code. Whitepaper. No room for petulance.

[G-Bert]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

We're not selling anything.  We're just trying to have a discussion.  Your using abusive language and making broad negative statements.

10 million vaporware shares are being sold ... for 2500 BTC.

You are using snake oil language and trying to sell snake oil .. for Bitcoins.

I rarely discuss BlockNet and I've never said anything about buying into it.  Show me my snake oil language.  I hope it doesn't bite me.  

Remove Blocknet from thread title then. Seems deceptive advertising, just like everything in XC. You seem to have fit right in.

Math. Crypto. GitHub source code. Whitepaper. No room for petulance.

petulance

noun

the quality of being childishly sulky or bad-tempered.

hmmmm.

[URSAY]

LOL.

URSAYS' last post basically sums it up. You still seem like a pointless angry little prick to me. (which reminded me of the robin williams fella which is why i asked)

I dont live in the moderated thread, hence im here talking to pointless whiney trolls like you.

Still intrigued why u are even here if you think its all a big scam though? (see ursays post, all your points are old news)

It is precisely why I am here. Good luck selling shitcoins to those who care. It is just getting warmed up.

We're not selling anything.  We're just trying to have a discussion.  Your using abusive language and making broad negative statements.

10 million vaporware shares are being sold ... for 2500 BTC.

You are using snake oil language and trying to sell snake oil .. for Bitcoins.

I rarely discuss BlockNet and I've never said anything about buying into it.  Show me my snake oil language.  I hope it doesn't bite me.  

Remove Blocknet from thread title then. Seems deceptive advertising, just like everything in XC. You seem to have fit right in.

Math. Crypto. GitHub source code. Whitepaper. No room for petulance.

You directed specific comments at me by quoting my speech so I addressed them.  It's unfortunate that you keep insulting me and everyone else.  We might be able to have a decent discussion if you'd relax and not get so emotional about everything.  

[slapper]

You directed specific comments at me by quoting my speech so I addressed them.  It's unfortunate that you keep insulting me and everyone else.  We might be able to have a decent discussion if you'd relax and not get so emotional about everything.  

Not emotional at all. Just giving some time over the weekend for whatever. The days of scamming BTCs for vaporware are over.

Welcome SEC.

[Come-In-Behind]

You directed specific comments at me by quoting my speech so I addressed them.  It's unfortunate that you keep insulting me and everyone else.  We might be able to have a decent discussion if you'd relax and not get so emotional about everything.  

Not emotional at all. Just giving some time over the weekend for whatever. The days of scamming BTCs for vaporware are over.

Welcome SEC.

So then btcd's centralized supernet with that shitcoin boolberry should be taken down by the SEC, am I right? Take your hypocritical bullshit elsewhere.

[slapper]

You directed specific comments at me by quoting my speech so I addressed them.  It's unfortunate that you keep insulting me and everyone else.  We might be able to have a decent discussion if you'd relax and not get so emotional about everything.  

Not emotional at all. Just giving some time over the weekend for whatever. The days of scamming BTCs for vaporware are over.

Welcome SEC.

So then btcd's centralized supernet with that shitcoin boolberry should be taken down by the SEC, am I right? Take your hypocritical bullshit elsewhere.

BTCD? SuperNet? Centralized? Where the fuck is that coming from? WTF is that and where do I support that ? How is that hypocrisy? And you do know that Polo rightfully crapped on that scam too don't you? And if you do consider something is wrong, do go to SEC. Throwing shit at me personally isn't going to help.

[Este Nuno]

You directed specific comments at me by quoting my speech so I addressed them.  It's unfortunate that you keep insulting me and everyone else.  We might be able to have a decent discussion if you'd relax and not get so emotional about everything.  

Not emotional at all. Just giving some time over the weekend for whatever. The days of scamming BTCs for vaporware are over.

Welcome SEC.

So then btcd's centralized supernet with that shitcoin boolberry should be taken down by the SEC, am I right? Take your hypocritical bullshit elsewhere.

SuperNET is not centralised any more than Blocknet is. Which is to say they both are not centralised. It might sound like SuperNET is centralised around BTCD, but that's because of two reasons: one, jl777 and a group of BTCD devs have all been working on making the reference implemenation of SuperNET built in to BTCD first. And two, BTCD's Teleport is going to be a critical part of the anon solution(making it 'essential', but not 'central').

[NewWorldCoiner]

Yo Dick-slapper!

Go and claim the bounty that not even DRK's El Presidente could, then come back chatting shit about vapourware.

Blockchain. Address. Multipath. Mixer.

Game over foolio.

[the_game1224]

Premine found to be gone and blocknet ITO to raise a ton of BTC is not inspiring confidence right now. Feeling like a fool right now for holding still

[UnicornFarts]

Since I'm being censored for just posting a link to official statements by the XC team I will post it here.

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Anyone buying this needs to read the XC thread.  The developers of this are the same ones in XC who dumped all their premine before starting blocknet.

is this actually confirmed?
XC seemed to be the only currency that has working anonymity and many other features that other coins only promise to deliver

It would be stupid to dump XC premine right when blocknet ICO is running

Hi all

I can now give some clarity on the status of XC's premine:

- The premine has been completely spent since mid September.

- Dan has been part-funding XC's development since day one (XChat and the multipool, among other things), and funding it entirely since Rev 2.

- Dan will continue to fund XC's development, and so nothing about the source of the funding or the pace of development will change.

- Specifically, XC's funding comes from Dan's corporation, which has pioneered IP over RF in marine environments.

- The premine was not dumped or traded for profit at any stage.

- The premine was used exclusively for paying for XC's project - that is, for Teka and I to work, for websites, PR expenses, the ATM deal, etc.



XC is, and will continue to be, Dan's baby. He has personally invested over 1000 hours of his time into it.
Since it's been developed at his own expense for some time, you have good reason to believe that he won't just lose interest.
His personal stake is significant, and this serves to increase his commitment.

http://www.reddit.com/r/XCofficialreddit/comments/26qqrq/xc_premine_wallet_made_public/

[adhitthana]

I just got back from picking up dinner and was about to respond with Dan's October releases to the above post.  Then I noticed I was banned from the official XCurrecny thread.  Wow.  

I'm amazed. for months now we have had to put up with so much crap from idiots in that thread and they end up banning you. 

I think that is a mistake myself

[NoMoreLies]

[SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841223

[bajing]

[SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841223

i dont sure sith issue blocknet scam and my opinion about blocknet is great idea

[demgains]

[SCAM] BLOCKNET: The Metcalf/Prom Alt-Coin Cartel Scam Exposed

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=841223

nothing is exposed, you're just Fudding

[Propulsion]

Yo Dick-slapper!

Go and claim the bounty that not even DRK's El Presidente could, then come back chatting shit about vapourware.

Blockchain. Address. Multipath. Mixer.

Game over foolio.

That's funny because I seem to remember that he broke XC's anonymity and you guys refused to pay him.

[demgains]

Yo Dick-slapper!

Go and claim the bounty that not even DRK's El Presidente could, then come back chatting shit about vapourware.

Blockchain. Address. Multipath. Mixer.

Game over foolio.

That's funny because I seem to remember that he broke XC's anonymity and you guys refused to pay him.

thats funny because you cant read

[Propulsion]

Yo Dick-slapper!

Go and claim the bounty that not even DRK's El Presidente could, then come back chatting shit about vapourware.

Blockchain. Address. Multipath. Mixer.

Game over foolio.

That's funny because I seem to remember that he broke XC's anonymity and you guys refused to pay him.

thats funny because you cant read

What? Just having a conversation on a forum proves that I have somewhat of a decent reading comprehension. I was just stating that I remember Chaeplin broke the anonymity of XC and they didn't honor the bounty.

[adhitthana]

What? Just having a conversation on a forum proves that I have somewhat of a decent reading comprehension. I was just stating that I remember Chaeplin broke the anonymity of XC and they didn't honor the bounty.

I followed that saga too, and I think you remember wrongly. Chaeplin guessed some of the information (as anyone could have with so few transactions). But that was before multi-path.
What bounty are you saying wasn't paid?

If there was a bounty that wasn't paid then

1 The bounty must have been a specific amount.
2. It must have been for doing a specific thing.

Can you tell us what the bounty was and what it was for?

[Spoetnik]

I placed an order for your Tor cards on Aug. 10th.

More recently Dan said this...

Tor sticks coming (Delivery claimed sometime around Oct. 1st)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9042354#msg9042354

Now with little to no updates and the focus on BlockNet, I'm thinking about reversing payment if it's not already too late.  I would speak to Pay Pal first and then my credit card company.

Has xcmerch.com shipped anything?

The focus is on XC in general, Also we only accept cryptocurrencies.

Ah I see you may be right.  I paid you in BTC or XC.  Can you process a refund?

It surprises me that you're asking for a refund on an item that's not even late.

There was no official early-October release date for the XC TOR Stick.

In fact the official date of shipping is Rev 3.

And then we said we may well ship in advance of Rev 3.

So I don't understand your reasoning here...

On Oct. 1...

"an updated ISO is coming this week and then the tor sticks will ship

Dan"

I know you don't understand my reasoning and that's why I'm asking for a refund.  I am a loyal user and investor in XC.  Myself and other investors are disappointed with decisions the team is making.  We're disappointed that we are talked down to for no good reason.  We're disappointed that XC's first major feature, XChat, still does not work.  We're disappointed that you use keywords which grab attention from govt. agencies and puts our investment at risk.  We're disappointed that you keep talking about XC's groundbreaking features as though they are currently usable and available.  We're disappointed that we've invested in coins like Cache which we thought you were working with.  We're disappointed that the official XC messageboard is unfrequented by the XC team while thriving communities exist elsewhere in other eco-systems.  We're disappointed that this is closed source on a timeline because when a govt. agency potentially takes you down, we have no code to assure continued development of the platform.  We're disappointed with missed deadlines that were self imposed.  We're disappointed that this is looking more and more like a cloak thread (which Dan was going to potentially review recently for 3 btc + cloak).  We're disappointed with project after project that is announced with only 1 dev to handle it all.  We're disappointed with news announcements that deliver nothing and talk about broad ideas and future concepts.  Some have had very bad experiences with Jasinlee.  Generally we're just tired of poor decision making which we have no part of.  This is a competitive market.  Other coins are delivering and allowing the community to take part in that process of organic growth.  I know I've been very critical of XC but many investors have similar legitimate concerns and they seem to be overlooked again and again and/or labeled as FUD.  Many are now looking for an exit.  Maybe your exit was already planned and is working well.  That could explain the one month chart and the lack of concern for legal, the community, and actual deliverables.

We're disappointed that you called XChat XChat, because there is an IRC client called XChat (http://xchat.org/), and we're disappointed that you cloned XChat from Cinni or some other crypto and tried to take credit. We're disappointed that nothing seems to happen here.

I would have liked to have seen the completion of Rev3 and XChat followed by some serious independent code reviews before starting blocknet. I think those things would have increased exposure and adoption in a more organic way.

Maybe Halcyon dev could review the code?

Yea it seems only Dan knows halycon dev?




So it seems he got his refund, however that doesn't mean that any coding is actually happening

surprise surprise Dan got a refund 

[WayForward]

Who ever is looking after the xc multi pool over at http://xcpool.xcurrency.co/

Can you please like reboot the server or something, payouts haven't run since the 24th October. Thought this was daily, it stopped after the hard XC dumps.  Id like to keep my miners pointed at it for support but I am making nothing for weeks now.

[KimmyF]

Yo Dick-slapper!

Go and claim the bounty that not even DRK's El Presidente could, then come back chatting shit about vapourware.

Blockchain. Address. Multipath. Mixer.

Game over foolio.

That's funny because I seem to remember that he broke XC's anonymity and you guys refused to pay him.

thats funny because you cant read

What? Just having a conversation on a forum proves that I have somewhat of a decent reading comprehension. I was just stating that I remember Chaeplin broke the anonymity of XC and they didn't honor the bounty.

Simply not true, what he did was guess a link between the input on the left upper corner with the destination on the right lower corner in the following visualization.

Thats not prove, thats to be fair a pretty good guess, but in the end nothing more than that. Also the amount of transactions was very very limited at that time and just to be clear that whole challenge was about one thing only, the is no direct link beween sender and receiver. The terms of the challenge where really clear about whats need to prove that link from the start. He did not!

And that was just a programmer testing a basic low-level part of his code in rev one, a regulair anon transactions is now buried into more than 15 in and more than 15 out sets like above based on that part on a single level. So in my book improved more than a factor of 200 times and about 7 additional layers are added.

See you in court if you wish to make the claim that i paid for some transaction, just hope you are ready to loose because you will

edit: look at the Transaction IDs to get an raw idea about the timing thats already added into this
edit2: forget about identify wallets, look up multisig tech first

[KimmyF]

And hopefully to finish this whole anon discussion ... This is how the applying same logic/code on the next release looked like when zooming in 4 times

[URSAY]

That is pure insanity.  Very cool.  Thanks for sharing KimmyF! 

[cryptohunter]

at least there is somewhere we can discuss xc.

when is the official xc thread opening?

[hoertest]

at least there is somewhere we can discuss xc.

when is the official xc thread opening?

i guess sunday, they will try to ship that blocknet ito into save waters till tomorrow, i think they want to nail some business oriented deal down before reopening it to start with a little boom. thats what arlyn hinted yesterday on xctalk. check there for updates meanwhile but i guess you know that. new mobile app update out today if you wanna test.

Most hated coin in the game needs a thread baby, i'm with you on that. 

that scammy little business of bringing the first truely private descendant of bitcoin needs to be talked about.

[ProfX]

I dont like the validation process on xctalk. It has taken me over a week to sign up there. My application request seem to be filtered out or something.

[hoertest]

I dont like the validation process on xctalk. It has taken me over a week to sign up there. My application request seem to be filtered out or something.

hit teka up per pm he could possibly speed up validation.

[Teka]

I dont like the validation process on xctalk. It has taken me over a week to sign up there. My application request seem to be filtered out or something.

Yes thats because I do them at the end of the week. I specifically said that if you want to get in faster, let me know.

[G-Bert]

I dont like the validation process on xctalk. It has taken me over a week to sign up there. My application request seem to be filtered out or something.

Yes thats because I do them at the end of the week. I specifically said that if you want to get in faster, let me know.

Yo Teka, where you been this whole week throughout all this madness??

P.S - Here's a handy link for the forum (new content)

http://xctalk.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=viewNewContent

[cryptohunter]

I dont like the validation process on xctalk. It has taken me over a week to sign up there. My application request seem to be filtered out or something.

Yes thats because I do them at the end of the week. I specifically said that if you want to get in faster, let me know.

Most coins that try to move their community away from this board don't do at all well except the very first alts that got some traction before the other 2000 shit clones turned up. Hurry up and open the XC thread again.

[demgains]

I dont like the validation process on xctalk. It has taken me over a week to sign up there. My application request seem to be filtered out or something.

Yes thats because I do them at the end of the week. I specifically said that if you want to get in faster, let me know.

Most coins that try to move their community away from this board don't do at all well except the very first alts that got some traction before the other 2000 shit clones turned up. Hurry up and open the XC thread again.

i think we need to get a little bit bigger before we can migrate

[WayForward]

So the mass dumpings of xc have continued, that's fantastic ...not

Is nothing going to be done about it ? have you all moved onto blocknet now ? 


Starting to become pretty fucking obvious there is no point holding any alts coins unless you are part of insider trading and scams.

Fuck the new guys, fuck the little guys, fuck trying to be credible to get main stream, and people wonder why its a struggle for this shit and btc to be accepted.And here you have obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..  I know that is all hype and fanbois doing it its not like the coin is any good or innovative anymore..same fanbois from SDC joined up and look at their coins rise over the last 3-4 days I did profit off it but ffs I dont want to hold those shit coins.


/smh

[illodin]

obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..

I dont want to hold those shit coins.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

[Este Nuno]

and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead.. 

How are we(the public) supposed to know anything about XC's technology when it's closed source?

[stealth923]

and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead.. 

How are we(the public) supposed to know anything about XC's technology when it's closed source?

Pretty graphics and if the dev said it's the best. It must be 

So what are you waiting for - buy as much as you can of this vapourware

[EvilDave]

So the mass dumpings of xc have continued, that's fantastic ...not

Is nothing going to be done about it ? have you all moved onto blocknet now ? 


Starting to become pretty fucking obvious there is no point holding any alts coins unless you are part of insider trading and scams.

Fuck the new guys, fuck the little guys, fuck trying to be credible to get main stream, and people wonder why its a struggle for this shit and btc to be accepted.And here you have obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..  I know that is all hype and fanbois doing it its not like the coin is any good or innovative anymore..same fanbois from SDC joined up and look at their coins rise over the last 3-4 days I did profit off it but ffs I dont want to hold those shit coins.


/smh

Hmmm...last time I saw you, mate, you were busy defending BlockNets honour against the evil trolls.

There are good, solid longterm projects in the alt-coin space, you just have to look hard to find them. Like in anything, 90% are gonna be crap for various reasons.
Here's a clue: look for systems with strong communities that actually focus on adoption, features and development.
A coin community where the only topic of discussion is the current price and how to pump it......yeah, you know enough already.

[WayForward]

So the mass dumpings of xc have continued, that's fantastic ...not

Is nothing going to be done about it ? have you all moved onto blocknet now ? 


Starting to become pretty fucking obvious there is no point holding any alts coins unless you are part of insider trading and scams.

Fuck the new guys, fuck the little guys, fuck trying to be credible to get main stream, and people wonder why its a struggle for this shit and btc to be accepted.And here you have obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..  I know that is all hype and fanbois doing it its not like the coin is any good or innovative anymore..same fanbois from SDC joined up and look at their coins rise over the last 3-4 days I did profit off it but ffs I dont want to hold those shit coins.


/smh

Hmmm...last time I saw you, mate, you were busy defending BlockNets honour against the evil trolls.

There are good, solid longterm projects in the alt-coin space, you just have to look hard to find them. Like in anything, 90% are gonna be crap for various reasons.
Here's a clue: look for systems with strong communities that actually focus on adoption, features and development.
A coin community where the only topic of discussion is the current price and how to pump it......yeah, you know enough already.

I was really asking for proof, like concrete proof as I still dont see any. 

The xc takes massive dumpings and I was merely questioning when development was getting back on XC.  And not on other ventures. I dont mind blocknet and whatever else is out there, but xc has already surpassed drk in my opinion since what has dark achieved so far and how long did it take ?  yeah my point was xc already achieved everything those coins did in a shorter amount of time. I dont care its closed sourced at the moment (its technically not released yet)  I have a few nodes running already well before dark master nodes/forks earning cash.  I am not bashing drk so take it how you want in fact I am at the point I am sick of the bullshit in this alt coin world, as it only benefits a few.  Much like the paid fud campaign recently attacking a few coins. 

I watch to see what coins surge ahead in pricing to gauge where the fud is actually coming from.. charts and numbers do not lie, just people.  Dan already pmed me about this post to clarify stuff and I am pretty stoked at it.  I forgot to edit this lol

obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..

I dont want to hold those shit coins.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.

Nah im ok

[Propulsion]

obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..

I dont want to hold those shit coins.

XC never achieved anything. All their implementations have been half assed attempts. Their anonymity is lacking, chat is broken, and PoS was bad from the start.

Next lets look at the censorship. Every single thread on here is censored and moderated. Just to log into their own forums you have to be manually approved. 

You say the XC's tech is surging ahead? It's really not. It's all close sourced vapourware that has moved into a new project called Blocknet.

Honestly, you betted on the wrong horse. Actually on further thought, I take that back, you betted on a donkey.

[URSAY]

Honestly, you betted on the wrong horse. Actually on further thought, I take that back, you betted on a donkey.

A goat. 

[WayForward]

obvious scams like 50% insta premine dark virtually untouchable and we all know how far behind in tech it is to XC yet is surging ahead..

I dont want to hold those shit coins.

XC never achieved anything. All their implementations have been half assed attempts. Their anonymity is lacking, chat is broken, and PoS was bad from the start.

Next lets look at the censorship. Every single thread on here is censored and moderated. Just to log into their own forums you have to be manually approved.  

You say the XC's tech is surging ahead? It's really not. It's all close sourced vapourware that has moved into a new project called Blocknet.

Honestly, you betted on the wrong horse. Actually on further thought, I take that back, you betted on a donkey.

See you are incorrect if you actually use the tech rather than rely on what others say.

Chat is fine, nodes are fine, no one can crack the anon despite trying hello chaplin whatever , and its censored because you get sick of tired of reading "wahh wahh wah my coin is better" all the time.  Its closed source because its not released to the public and will be...people cry foul when they cant copy it to pump and dump...but it all works so you cant tell me its not working and half assed thats a classic fud line man.  I run all the wallets for most coins Ive been interested it, I am all about tech as a software engineer I can reverse engineer stuff so I do have an idea of whats broken whats not and whats a complete crock of shit in  this alt coin world.

I would like the team to forget about all this and go back to work. Results speak louder then fud campaigns.  Most of them in those troll threads are just repeating themselves hoping people believe the lies.  gets to a point you dont know what is a lie or not now.  So everyone is lying, and in the end I believe myself and capabilities and testing what actually works or not therein lies the difference between you and me.


Its "bet" on the wrong horse, there is no need to say betted. 

Good Luck however with whatever.

[Dungor]

Honestly, you betted on the wrong horse. Actually on further thought, I take that back, you betted on a donkey.

A goat. 

...
This isn't a thread to call anyone names.  ...

Right.  

Anyway No one is forcing you to invest into XC, sell -> move on -> prosper. What is the need of this thread?
XC benefits from Blocknet like a shop benefits from being inside a mall or an app to be in an app-store. Added exposure but also concentrated competition.
Which anon tech is best, XC or DRK? In my opinion XC from KimmyF's blockchain analysis seems to be very strong. The whole Masternode maybe in an equally trading volume scenario inferior to XC but because of the current trading volume of DRK it is strong enough. Time and FBI/CIA/NSA/DEA will tell.  
What is really interesting is that this micro-universe of alt-coins is spawning so many competing different approaches, this will over time create value for people and further increase the paradigm shift in transactions.
Open-source, Delayed Open-Source, Closed Source if this matters to you don't invest? Release 1 is open which is emperical evidence of delayed open-source. People complained in the main thread when alts copied the rev 1 source. Currently blockchain analysis can reveal the strength of anon mixing and the market cap of coins. So aside from an ideological stance on opensource why is it needed right now and not later as shown on the road-map? Arguing, threatening and FUDding for it now seems childish or opportunistic at the best.

And XChat is working fine on windows. It is beta-software, so hick-ups on Apple client I would think can be expected. Being constructive about it rather than starting FUD storms would help your course more.

[URSAY]

Honestly, you betted on the wrong horse. Actually on further thought, I take that back, you betted on a donkey.

A goat.  

...
This isn't a thread to call anyone names.  ...

Right.  

Anyway No one is forcing you to invest into XC, sell -> move on -> prosper. What is the need of this thread?
XC benefits from Blocknet like a shop benefits from being inside a mall or an app to be in an app-store. Added exposure but also concentrated competition.
Which anon tech is best, XC or DRK? In my opinion XC from KimmyF's blockchain analysis seems to be very strong. The whole Masternode maybe in an equally trading volume scenario inferior to XC but because of the current trading volume of DRK it is strong enough. Time and FBI/CIA/NSA/DEA will tell.  
What is really interesting is that this micro-universe of alt-coins is spawning so many competing different approaches, this will over time create value for people and further increase the paradigm shift in transactions.
Open-source, Delayed Open-Source, Closed Source if this matters to you don't invest? Release 1 is open which is emperical evidence of delayed open-source. People complained in the main thread when alts copied the rev 1 source. Currently blockchain analysis can reveal the strength of anon mixing and the market cap of coins. So aside from an ideological stance on opensource why is it needed right now and not later as shown on the road-map? Arguing, threatening and FUDding for it now seems childish or opportunistic at the best.

And XChat is working fine on windows. It is beta-software, so hick-ups on Apple client I would think can be expected. Being constructive about it rather than starting FUD storms would help your course more.

Did I call anyone a name?  Perhaps your not aware of the ongoing XC goat joke.  It's not a joke at anyone's expense.  This thread was opened so anyone could discuss XC and BlockNet without fear of being banned or having their comments deleted.  Serious investors look at ALL of the information available and not just the one sided press releases that come from the company itself.

[HKBvM]

Didnt I read somewhere that Dan will not be doing any code rewievs anymore? It looks like he has more or less taken over development of utiltiycoin, at least thats what the utilitydev has written.

Now, I followed all the drama here only losely, and I am convinced a good part of it is total nonsense, just fud. But I have followed utiltiy since the beginning, this coin is exactly what crypto should not be. Promises, insider trading, shiny graphics, absolutely nothing to show for, whitepapers that (if you actually read them) are 85% irrelevant stuff, which the dev admitted more or less. Huge volume right from the start with just a naked blockchain nothing else, the usual newbie accounts praising it, p+d groups desperately trying to hype it.

When that coin made it to Blocknet, I decided not to buy. Now Dan is more or less the dev. Maybe my view on utility is dead wrong, but this just looks horrible to me and for xc.

[WayForward]

Nah dan is fine, in the last 6 months I haven't seen someone so much the subject of slander and jealousy.  Its like the few alt coin cloners got really really pissed off that they couldn't just clone their crap pump and dump anymore, when the race for new things like anon etc became common and dan comes along and pushes development of all coins forward in 6 months when the shit cloners were holding it back. And if blocknet gets out there first then supernet will having a go if they are not already...

Thats the only reason for why all this bullshit is out there in my opinion.  I just want people to not lose sight of the goal.

[URSAY]

Looks like the official XC thread was deleted?  Anyone know the issue?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854023.0

[G-Bert]

Looks like the official XC thread was deleted?  Anyone know the issue?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854023.0

hmmm. weird...

This topic has been moved to Trashcan.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854023.0

Official discussion should stay in the main coin thread in Announcements (Altcoins).

Guess they gotta re open the original thread?

[Teka]

Looks like the official XC thread was deleted?  Anyone know the issue?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854023.0

hmmm. weird...

This topic has been moved to Trashcan.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=854023.0

Official discussion should stay in the main coin thread in Announcements (Altcoins).

Guess they gotta re open the original thread?

Ummm, I didn't touch anything.

[rdnkjdi]

Since everything gets deleted in the main thread (I know people who don't like who I am but I feel what I have to say has merit) then I'm posting my three replies here.

Even if I'm a horrible person and just in it to destroy a coin because darkcoin or shadycoin(shadowcoin?) or whatever is paying me (which isn't the case) if what I have to say is true.  Then it really doesn't matter.

No one but the core team is responsible for all this shit & for not being transparent like THEY PROMISED

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  But can't find the time to be transparent like they promised or tactfully answer their supporters questions doesn't sit well for their legitimacy.

Try to get over the messenger and look at the message people.

Neither I nor ANY of the "FUDDERS" are responsible for the lack of transparency that was promised, the truth that came out about Prom, that your PR guy is being borderline rude, that the premine was likely distributed to the market, or the fact that Blocknet has massively dilluted XC in both roadmap (what people were expecting) and resources.

We DID NOT MAKE THE DECISIONS THAT CAUSED MASSIVE COIN HEMORRHAGING.  We might have been a slight pain in the ass in not letting things go that the PR team would have liked to see us let go - but I think your aggressive attitude is misplaced.  Maybe you should start asking yourself who is responsible rather than who won't shut up.

No one is paid to FUD XC.  It isn't an organized effort.  I don't get along with Spotniek half the time.  He sure as hell isn't on anyone's payroll.  Mr McHammer just seems like some dude who lost his big toe and thinks Dan is to blame.

There's little to no organization or collaboration on the "FUD campaign"

Stating that all FUD is an organized effort is really just a springboard to avoid questions & inconvenient truth.

What?  No.  I'm posting exactly what / with who I want.  

I think you guys are missing the point.  It's like people getting pissed at the whistle blowers on the catholic church instead of the priests.  I'm not the source of your pain.  Period.  Neither is shadowcashcoin or paid shills or whoever the hell else you think is behind the FUD.

We weren't the ones who made the decisions that are driving your coin into the dirt.

Maybe it's just people pissed at the shady practices happening in crypto who don't mind calling it out.

[URSAY]

When will the official BlockNet numbers be released?  Are we still waiting on all of the coins to be burned?

[mr_random]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

[URSAY]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I've provided a suggestion for your post.  Please be reasonable.

[rdnkjdi]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like. 

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I'm fairly certain it's not a delete bot as teka and syn immediately post following my posts being deleted.

Sadly being judged by random coin supporters/shills really doesn't bother me in the least.  Esp ones as rude as those from the XC camp.  You made an enemy for life when you and your longwinded wannabe smartass PR guy responded to the ASIC scandel.  By essentially calling me a moron and stating I had no proof.  And then even in your official press release you defend the guy who stole hundreds of thousands.  Largely by taking advantage of his connections in the crypto community to appear legit.

I raised highly valid points in the past only to be smeared by your PR team.

Maybe if they spent more time focusing on responding to content of critism rather than trying to force everyone to  have the proper "attitude" as you say - answers would have killed the "FUD"  But I see nothing in the way of content addressing the issues that have been brought to life.

Only statements about bad attitudes, FUD conspiracies, and "I don't have time for this I need to work on marketing, etc"

So stupid.  If they were innocent properly addressing the "FUD" would double the coins price overnight (assuming there were good answers)

But rather than do what's best for shareholders they attack the messengers, play up the victim and violate their promises.

So yeah ... dance in the rain that I lost money.  Just know the guys you are championing could actually be doing something to win back an iota of credibility if there actually are good answers to the questions laid out.  But instead they are encouraging you to put the focus on people like me while their total lack of integrity is ruining your coin.

So keep giving Dan, Syn and Teka tuggies.  Just know they don't have your back or they'd be responding to this debacle entirely differently.

P.S.  If you're a shining example of a "good attitude" then I think I'm doing just fine.  I've never gloated over XC hodlers losing money the way you guys have me.

I love seeing the truth come out so more people don't get suckered in.  But I don't gloat over people losing money.  Even assholes.

[mr_random]

Lolz. An asshole crying over his financial loss, this brings me great happiness.

So rather than pursue Jasin, the one who allegedly screwed you over, you obsessively smear Dan's projects. Makes sense.

[rdnkjdi]

Lolz. An asshole crying over his financial loss, this brings me great happiness.

So rather than pursue Jasin, the one who allegedly screwed you over, you obsessively smear Dan's projects. Makes sense.

I haven't smeared anything.   I followed his project.  And Dan smeared it himself.

I just ask questions people don't like.  

I don't have the power to screw XC over the way that associating with prom, being caughy in bold faced lies about creating a different competing coin, diluting XC with a new ICO that contains features on the future XC roadmap, dumping the premise and not following up on a promise to be transparent (after ignoring the last one)

I am not responsible for any of it.  I'm only responsible for not turning a blind eye

[ib88]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

+1000

[rdnkjdi]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

+1000

Classy bunch.

I'll just reply that I have no satisfaction in any of you losing money.  But immense satisfaction in the fact that it more people won't get sucked into this circlejerk closed source "anon coin"

It was Dan and Syn and Teka that sold you those cheap coins before moving on.  Not me.  I'm not to blame for your coins problems

[Come-In-Behind]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

+1000

Classy bunch.

I'll just reply that I have no satisfaction in any of you losing money.  But immense satisfaction in the fact that it more people won't get sucked into this circlejerk closed source "anon coin"

It was Dan and Syn and Teka that sold you those cheap coins before moving on.  Not me.  I'm not to blame for your coins problems

rdnkjdi is right...I too invested a small amount in Blocknet shares(Less than $1000 usd), along with buying a bit of XC. I've sold out of it completely. Always invest what you have to lose...If you look at the Blocknet github, Dan has done absolutely nothing.

XC/Blocknet is a scam, plain and simple. The warning signs were there, XC's code not being open sourced, their mixer allegedly taken from fedoracoin, and I believe Dan having charges against him for not paying taxes.

[URSAY]

XC forum offline.  No more posts on btctalk.  Sweeping info under the rug.  Dan Metcalf doesn't want you to know the truth.  Dan, you out there?  Ready to discuss your federal tax lien and fraud with feds? 

[truth_]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=770801.msg9876490#msg9876490

[URSAY]

It's odd that I keep getting banned from the official Blocknet thread for trying to share publicly available information.

http://www.plymouthdeeds.org/

[UnicornFarts]

It's not odd at all to me.  

Transparency as a value is 100% shunned by Blocknet In favor of "nniceness" and tickled ears. 

Great find.  Lot of things make more sense.

[URSAY]

It's not odd at all to me.  

Transparency as a value is 100% shunned by Blocknet In favor of "nniceness" and tickled ears. 

Great find.  Lot of things make more sense.

http://www.irs.gov/irm/part5/irm_05-017-002.html#d0e454

5.17.2.6.5.1  (03-27-2012)
Securities

This "superpriority" protects the purchaser or the holder of a security interest in a "security" who at the time of purchase or at the time the security interest came into existence did not have actual notice or knowledge of the existence of the federal tax lien. IRC § 6323(b)(1). The Code defines securities to include money, stock, bonds, debentures, notes, negotiable instruments, and various other types of interests. IRC § 6323(h)(4) .

A subsequent holder of a security interest is also protected if the prior holder did not have actual notice or knowledge at the time the security interest came into existence. An illustration of the intent of this paragraph is the case where "P" , without actual notice or knowledge of the existence of a tax lien, purchases a security from "T" , the taxpayer, after a notice of lien has been filed. "P" is protected under the provisions of this paragraph. If "P" thereafter sells the security to "C" , who at the time of such sale has actual knowledge of the existence of the lien, "C" is also protected against the tax lien. See Treas. Reg. § 301.6323(b)-1(a)(2), Examples (1) and (2).

[URSAY]

Holes everywhere.

[adhitthana]

The thing about XC is that we know that talented developers are involved and that they are working an a very cool idea anonymity wise.
I have no doubt that the team is quite capable of providing groundbreaking mixer technology. Maybe they will maybe they wont.
M'eh...we will see

[adhitthana]

Is there any update on when it will be open sourced?

[illodin]

This one seems dead.

[Propulsion]

This one seems dead.

It does. RIP xc/blocknet (and all other scamcoins created by outsourcing from Dan M) January 27th, 2015.

[adhitthana]

This one seems dead.

Could be.
It will be pretty interesting if and when it gets open sourced though.

[00Smurf]

This one seems dead.

It does. RIP xc/blocknet (and all other scamcoins created by outsourcing from Dan M) January 27th, 2015.

People were warned, and all evidence was there, yet people ignored it and decided to slander the ones trying to help.

[URSAY]

If the "official" BlockNet thread is gonna get bumped then we bumpin' this one also.

How's the decentralized exchange coming along?

Anyone know the status of the decentralized exchange?

No news yet, other than that work is ongoing and progress has been made.

Please send out the detail plan.

[JakeThePanda]

This one seems dead.

It does. RIP xc/blocknet (and all other scamcoins created by outsourcing from Dan M) January 27th, 2015.

Luckily, I figured out XC was crap before it fell apart.  I was such a big supporter at the start.  I feel kind of stupid about it now.

[URSAY]

Pump it pump it.  Dump it dump it.  Do it with a tax lien.  Rinse, repeat, while laughing.

Could make a catchy chorus don't you think synechist?

[UnicornFarts]

Wow ... #79 on market cap.  

I'll always wonder if all those people in the XC thread when I was trying to bring up warnings were just sockpuppets of the ringleaders.  Or actual real accounts yelling about how it was a good idea to trust closed sourced software for crypto privacy 

[URSAY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-mU-YSk32I

[URSAY]

Dan, have you figured out a way to launder all those funds yet so you can pay off some of your tax liens?  Do you think the SEC and IRS read bitcointalk?  Oh right.  Is that why you moved to Slack?

[UnicornFarts]

Dan, have you figured out a way to launder all those funds yet so you can pay off some of your tax liens?  Do you think the SEC and IRS read bitcointalk?  Oh right.  Is that why you moved to Slack?

*Ding* *Ding* *Ding* - we have a winner.

I don't think there's enough volume with $400 - $500 volume between both

[URSAY]

Dan, have you figured out a way to launder all those funds yet so you can pay off some of your tax liens?  Do you think the SEC and IRS read bitcointalk?  Oh right.  Is that why you moved to Slack?

*Ding* *Ding* *Ding* - we have a winner.

I don't think there's enough volume with $400 - $500 volume between both

Don't forget, with XC they admitted to selling into everyone the whole time.  Just don't call it "dumping".  AAAAhahahaha.  They prefer to call it graceful selling.  The pre-mine was quietly sold off.  "Software development" means coin mixing research and utilization so the team can pay lawyers in the near future.  But judging from Dan's past financial mistakes, he may not have the foresight to save for something so practical.

[UnicornFarts]

Yeah ... I just think that they are going to have a really tough time unloading much more now that things are out. 

It looks like a highly planned move to me.  First move to slack because of "trolls" just right on the heels of the SEC starting to look into people and right after dumping the XC premine.

Keep the blocknet open in hopes they can pump it enough to dump into it then move to slack.

The more value these things lose they better it is.  SEC is much less likely to investigate something doing $400 a day than something doing $40,000 a day in volume.

Get volume low, quietly retire to slack.  Never kill it - just never spend time with it.  Pretend like you are until everyone has lost interest due to low volume etc

[URSAY]

I wonder when XChat will be solid.   You know...XC's first feature.  Oh riiiiight.  The BlockNet is groundbreaking and there is no more time for XC.  When's the next IPO or fundraiser?  Perhaps we could just hold a charity event for Dan and his family?  LOL.  XD

[URSAY]

Yeah ... I just think that they are going to have a really tough time unloading much more now that things are out.  

It looks like a highly planned move to me.  First move to slack because of "trolls" just right on the heels of the SEC starting to look into people and right after dumping the XC premine.

Keep the blocknet open in hopes they can pump it enough to dump into it then move to slack.

The more value these things lose they better it is.  SEC is much less likely to investigate something doing $400 a day than something doing $40,000 a day in volume.

Get volume low, quietly retire to slack.  Never kill it - just never spend time with it.  Pretend like you are until everyone has lost interest due to low volume etc

Dan can't legally be paying himself for any of this "work" with his tax liens.  However, he can funnel funds thru his LLC somehow?

[URSAY]

Stalling since day 1.  Releasing fluff.  King of PR weighs in again...

synechist:

"We continue to work away in the background, and we're excited to unveil new things as they come."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg10429541#msg10429541

 

[URSAY]

When will librexcoin be delisted from blocknet

When will Dan Metcalf, Arlyn Culwick, and ATC Solutions LLC be delisted?

[URSAY]

Why sudden drop in value? 

I know a whale that was selling.  I know more who will continue to sell.  Dan Metcalf what will you do now?

[URSAY]

We're approaching prototype status

Seems legit.

[URSAY]

What does it take for a coin to be adhered to Blocknet?

First requirement...must have discreet loop holes for funneling funds thru LLC to pay for tax liens.

[UnicornFarts]

What does it take for a coin to be adhered to Blocknet?

First requirement...must have discreet loop holes for funneling funds thru LLC to pay for tax liens.

+1 - I'd recommend keeping this thread bumped on occasion.  Any post - regardless of how honest it is - that is frank about the issues surround XC / Blocknet gets deleted.  Every semblance of an actual discussion is intentionally being suppressed

[cryptohunter]

how have these dirt bags just managed to sneak off without any real fuss?

[URSAY]

how have these dirt bags just managed to sneak off without any real fuss?

This should be looking more like the Alpha Technology thread and we should be discussing legal options.  Dan Metcalf owed AT LEAST 5 figures to local and federal governments BEFORE he issued multiple financial instruments for consumers.

I'm making some calls. 

[URSAY]

Dan / atcsecure / ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271)...

I see you are posting in your official thread.  Could I get a comment on this official paperwork?

[slapper]

how have these dirt bags just managed to sneak off without any real fuss?

Awww so you are playing persecuted scumbag now? They managed it because of phags like you. Remember you sucking Dan and other marketing insiders scumbag's dicks for months and now suddenly you are ready to speak on behalf of society? Go back to another shitcoin.

[URSAY]

how have these dirt bags just managed to sneak off without any real fuss?

Awww so you are playing persecuted scumbag now? They managed it because of phags like you. Remember you sucking Dan and other marketing insiders scumbag's dicks for months and now suddenly you are ready to speak on behalf of society? Go back to another shitcoin.

Not really sure what your trying to say here or why your mad but your misspellings are cute.  Have another beer.   

[slapper]

how have these dirt bags just managed to sneak off without any real fuss?

Awww so you are playing persecuted scumbag now? They managed it because of phags like you. Remember you sucking Dan and other marketing insiders scumbag's dicks for months and now suddenly you are ready to speak on behalf of society? Go back to another shitcoin.

Not really sure what your trying to say here or why your mad but your misspellings are cute.  Have another beer.   

Wasn't meant for you. I appreciate what you have done. Enjoyed the Corona and ready for some real drinks now. Enjoy.

[cryptohunter]

how have these dirt bags just managed to sneak off without any real fuss?

Awww so you are playing persecuted scumbag now? They managed it because of phags like you. Remember you sucking Dan and other marketing insiders scumbag's dicks for months and now suddenly you are ready to speak on behalf of society? Go back to another shitcoin.

Not really sure what your trying to say here or why your mad but your misspellings are cute.  Have another beer.  

Wasn't meant for you. I appreciate what you have done. Enjoyed the Corona and ready for some real drinks now. Enjoy.

hehe slapper is back, always good for some fun. This guy is obsessed with "phags" and sucking cock. I have never seen this fool even attempt to put his point across without swearing or some kind of childlike remarks.  His "real drink"  is probably ginger ale since he's obviously 12yrs old with an unhealthy/over powering fascination/obsession with other males genitals.

Yes, at one point in time you may have a valid point, however since you find  it impossible to express yourself in adult terms most will assume it is invalid before getting through half of your "phag"/ "salad tossing" remarks.

My point is how has this just been forgotten here? not if XC had at some point some seemingly good development behind it. I hold and therefore support over 200 coins in reasonable quantities of course some will go bad. The question is when the developer is known then IF it was a scam it should be fully investigated and not be forgotten about if they pull the threads from here. Having said that i see a bit of discussion coming back to their threads so i will still wait and see for now.

slapper try to read, comprehend and then reply in a half sensible manner then people may have some clue to whom you're refering to and what your point is.

[URSAY]

Do you have interesting info about Dan Metcalf, Arlyn Culwick, XC, BlockNet, or related?  Feel free to PM me.  I'll be making a few more calls today. 

[URSAY]

Just changed one word from atcsecure AKA Dan Metcalf's last post... 

NOTHING IS CLOSED SOURCE its all on plymouthdeeds.org


PUT DOWN WHATEVER YOUR SMOKING

[atcsecure]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I'm fairly certain it's not a delete bot as teka and syn immediately post following my posts being deleted.

Sadly being judged by random coin supporters/shills really doesn't bother me in the least.  Esp ones as rude as those from the XC camp.  You made an enemy for life when you and your longwinded wannabe smartass PR guy responded to the ASIC scandel.  By essentially calling me a moron and stating I had no proof.  And then even in your official press release you defend the guy who stole hundreds of thousands.  Largely by taking advantage of his connections in the crypto community to appear legit.

I raised highly valid points in the past only to be smeared by your PR team.

Maybe if they spent more time focusing on responding to content of critism rather than trying to force everyone to  have the proper "attitude" as you say - answers would have killed the "FUD"  But I see nothing in the way of content addressing the issues that have been brought to life.

Only statements about bad attitudes, FUD conspiracies, and "I don't have time for this I need to work on marketing, etc"

So stupid.  If they were innocent properly addressing the "FUD" would double the coins price overnight (assuming there were good answers)

Whats stupid is the expectation that I need to answer to bogus FUD.....Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true and that certainly doesn't mean I need to respond, you wonder why I'm rude at times? its because of the absurd and unfounded LIES that are posted as "truth"..

 As for the scumbag who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, I believed him at first when he said he was issuing refunds.. he was a master manipulator trying to get me to fund his exchange project, I was fooled just like everyone else

If you have a legit question go ahead ask it and I will answer it

[URSAY]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I'm fairly certain it's not a delete bot as teka and syn immediately post following my posts being deleted.

Sadly being judged by random coin supporters/shills really doesn't bother me in the least.  Esp ones as rude as those from the XC camp.  You made an enemy for life when you and your longwinded wannabe smartass PR guy responded to the ASIC scandel.  By essentially calling me a moron and stating I had no proof.  And then even in your official press release you defend the guy who stole hundreds of thousands.  Largely by taking advantage of his connections in the crypto community to appear legit.

I raised highly valid points in the past only to be smeared by your PR team.

Maybe if they spent more time focusing on responding to content of critism rather than trying to force everyone to  have the proper "attitude" as you say - answers would have killed the "FUD"  But I see nothing in the way of content addressing the issues that have been brought to life.

Only statements about bad attitudes, FUD conspiracies, and "I don't have time for this I need to work on marketing, etc"

So stupid.  If they were innocent properly addressing the "FUD" would double the coins price overnight (assuming there were good answers)

Whats stupid is the expectation that I need to answer to bogus FUD.....Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true and that certainly doesn't mean I need to respond, you wonder why I'm rude at times? its because of the absurd and unfounded LIES that are posted as "truth"..

 As for the scumbag who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, I believed him at first when he said he was issuing refunds.. he was a master manipulator trying to get me to fund his exchange project, I was fooled just like everyone else

If you have a legit question go ahead ask it and I will answer it

Are you saying the tax lien docs found at plymouthdeeds.org under the name Dan Metcalf are fakes?  These liens pre-date your creation of multiple crypto financial instruments.

[atcsecure]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I'm fairly certain it's not a delete bot as teka and syn immediately post following my posts being deleted.

Sadly being judged by random coin supporters/shills really doesn't bother me in the least.  Esp ones as rude as those from the XC camp.  You made an enemy for life when you and your longwinded wannabe smartass PR guy responded to the ASIC scandel.  By essentially calling me a moron and stating I had no proof.  And then even in your official press release you defend the guy who stole hundreds of thousands.  Largely by taking advantage of his connections in the crypto community to appear legit.

I raised highly valid points in the past only to be smeared by your PR team.

Maybe if they spent more time focusing on responding to content of critism rather than trying to force everyone to  have the proper "attitude" as you say - answers would have killed the "FUD"  But I see nothing in the way of content addressing the issues that have been brought to life.

Only statements about bad attitudes, FUD conspiracies, and "I don't have time for this I need to work on marketing, etc"

So stupid.  If they were innocent properly addressing the "FUD" would double the coins price overnight (assuming there were good answers)

Whats stupid is the expectation that I need to answer to bogus FUD.....Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true and that certainly doesn't mean I need to respond, you wonder why I'm rude at times? its because of the absurd and unfounded LIES that are posted as "truth"..

 As for the scumbag who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, I believed him at first when he said he was issuing refunds.. he was a master manipulator trying to get me to fund his exchange project, I was fooled just like everyone else

If you have a legit question go ahead ask it and I will answer it

Are you saying the tax lien docs found at plymouthdeeds.org under the name Dan Metcalf are fakes?  These liens pre-date your creation of multiple crypto financial instruments.

I haven't created any financial instruments,  the IRS has ruled that virtual currencies are property not financial instruments.  

As for the tax lien, its none of your business

[URSAY]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I'm fairly certain it's not a delete bot as teka and syn immediately post following my posts being deleted.

Sadly being judged by random coin supporters/shills really doesn't bother me in the least.  Esp ones as rude as those from the XC camp.  You made an enemy for life when you and your longwinded wannabe smartass PR guy responded to the ASIC scandel.  By essentially calling me a moron and stating I had no proof.  And then even in your official press release you defend the guy who stole hundreds of thousands.  Largely by taking advantage of his connections in the crypto community to appear legit.

I raised highly valid points in the past only to be smeared by your PR team.

Maybe if they spent more time focusing on responding to content of critism rather than trying to force everyone to  have the proper "attitude" as you say - answers would have killed the "FUD"  But I see nothing in the way of content addressing the issues that have been brought to life.

Only statements about bad attitudes, FUD conspiracies, and "I don't have time for this I need to work on marketing, etc"

So stupid.  If they were innocent properly addressing the "FUD" would double the coins price overnight (assuming there were good answers)

Whats stupid is the expectation that I need to answer to bogus FUD.....Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true and that certainly doesn't mean I need to respond, you wonder why I'm rude at times? its because of the absurd and unfounded LIES that are posted as "truth"..

 As for the scumbag who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, I believed him at first when he said he was issuing refunds.. he was a master manipulator trying to get me to fund his exchange project, I was fooled just like everyone else

If you have a legit question go ahead ask it and I will answer it

Are you saying the tax lien docs found at plymouthdeeds.org under the name Dan Metcalf are fakes?  These liens pre-date your creation of multiple crypto financial instruments.

I haven't created any financial instruments,  the IRS has ruled that virtual currencies are property not financial instruments.  

As for the tax lien, its none of your business

No problem Dan.  You keep pretending you make legit software products and I'll keep relaying the important info.

[atcsecure]

And the fact that the XC founders are INSTANTLY ONLINE to delete replies they don't like.  

It's a delete bot you fucking moron. Hahaha.

You've created many fake accounts on this forum to push your agenda of smearing Dan's projects. No-one cares what you think, you've lost all credibility.

Personally I'm glad you lost your money with the Scrypt ASICs. Usually I've got nothing against greedy idiots like you, but your attitude has been disgusting.

I'm fairly certain it's not a delete bot as teka and syn immediately post following my posts being deleted.

Sadly being judged by random coin supporters/shills really doesn't bother me in the least.  Esp ones as rude as those from the XC camp.  You made an enemy for life when you and your longwinded wannabe smartass PR guy responded to the ASIC scandel.  By essentially calling me a moron and stating I had no proof.  And then even in your official press release you defend the guy who stole hundreds of thousands.  Largely by taking advantage of his connections in the crypto community to appear legit.

I raised highly valid points in the past only to be smeared by your PR team.

Maybe if they spent more time focusing on responding to content of critism rather than trying to force everyone to  have the proper "attitude" as you say - answers would have killed the "FUD"  But I see nothing in the way of content addressing the issues that have been brought to life.

Only statements about bad attitudes, FUD conspiracies, and "I don't have time for this I need to work on marketing, etc"

So stupid.  If they were innocent properly addressing the "FUD" would double the coins price overnight (assuming there were good answers)

Whats stupid is the expectation that I need to answer to bogus FUD.....Just because somebody says something doesn't make it true and that certainly doesn't mean I need to respond, you wonder why I'm rude at times? its because of the absurd and unfounded LIES that are posted as "truth"..

 As for the scumbag who stole hundreds of thousands of dollars, I believed him at first when he said he was issuing refunds.. he was a master manipulator trying to get me to fund his exchange project, I was fooled just like everyone else

If you have a legit question go ahead ask it and I will answer it

Are you saying the tax lien docs found at plymouthdeeds.org under the name Dan Metcalf are fakes?  These liens pre-date your creation of multiple crypto financial instruments.

I haven't created any financial instruments,  the IRS has ruled that virtual currencies are property not financial instruments.  

As for the tax lien, its none of your business

No problem Dan.  You keep pretending you make legit software products and I'll keep relaying the important info.

PRETENDING?? Seriously?  You have used xchat, I was using it with you...you helped me identify one of the bugs....


what because there was a bug its not a real product?  Have you ever developed software before?  Software requires testing to work out the bugs, that doesn't make it any less legit

keep spreading your lies....

[URSAY]

PRETENDING?? Seriously?  You have used xchat, I was using it with you...you helped me identify one of the bugs....


what because there was a bug its not a real product?  Have you ever developed software before?  Software requires testing to work out the bugs, that doesn't make it any less legit

keep spreading your lies....

Yes, I've worked for software companies Dan.  I understand how it works.

I'd like to thank you for getting me more deeply involved in understanding finance, government, and legal.

[atcsecure]

PRETENDING?? Seriously?  You have used xchat, I was using it with you...you helped me identify one of the bugs....


what because there was a bug its not a real product?  Have you ever developed software before?  Software requires testing to work out the bugs, that doesn't make it any less legit

keep spreading your lies....

Yes, I've worked for software companies Dan.  I understand how it works.

I'd like to thank you for getting me more deeply involved in understanding finance, government, and legal.

So then whats your deal? I like how your implying I've done something wrong or illegal when I haven't....

[URSAY]

So then whats your deal? I like how your implying I've done something wrong or illegal when I haven't....

Dan, you've already said that you do not want to discuss open information.  Feel free to continue with your "development" and I will do the same.

[atcsecure]

So then whats your deal? I like how your implying I've done something wrong or illegal when I haven't....

Dan, you've already said that you do not want to discuss open information.  Feel free to continue with your "development" and I will do the same.

what the tax lien? you don't know anything about it or what ever arrangements I've made to deal with that, your acting like you found a body buried in my back yard

[URSAY]

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, atcsecure, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing lien BK:44055 Pg. 97

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

This "superpriority" protects the purchaser or the holder of a security interest in a "security" who at the time of purchase or at the time the security interest came into existence did not have actual notice or knowledge of the existence of the federal tax lien. IRC § 6323(b)(1). The Code defines securities to include money, stock, bonds, debentures, notes, negotiable instruments, and various other types of interests. IRC § 6323(h)(4) .

A subsequent holder of a security interest is also protected if the prior holder did not have actual notice or knowledge at the time the security interest came into existence. An illustration of the intent of this paragraph is the case where "P" , without actual notice or knowledge of the existence of a tax lien, purchases a security from "T" , the taxpayer, after a notice of lien has been filed. "P" is protected under the provisions of this paragraph. If "P" thereafter sells the security to "C" , who at the time of such sale has actual knowledge of the existence of the lien, "C" is also protected against the tax lien. See Treas. Reg. § 301.6323(b)-1(a)(2), Examples (1) and (2).

[atcsecure]

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, atcsecure, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271)

Consider referencing lien BK:44055 Pg. 97

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

This "superpriority" protects the purchaser or the holder of a security interest in a "security" who at the time of purchase or at the time the security interest came into existence did not have actual notice or knowledge of the existence of the federal tax lien. IRC § 6323(b)(1). The Code defines securities to include money, stock, bonds, debentures, notes, negotiable instruments, and various other types of interests. IRC § 6323(h)(4) .

A subsequent holder of a security interest is also protected if the prior holder did not have actual notice or knowledge at the time the security interest came into existence. An illustration of the intent of this paragraph is the case where "P" , without actual notice or knowledge of the existence of a tax lien, purchases a security from "T" , the taxpayer, after a notice of lien has been filed. "P" is protected under the provisions of this paragraph. If "P" thereafter sells the security to "C" , who at the time of such sale has actual knowledge of the existence of the lien, "C" is also protected against the tax lien. See Treas. Reg. § 301.6323(b)-1(a)(2), Examples (1) and (2).

1st - Blocknet Inc is it own US Corporation which does not have any liens on it

2nd - the ITO was not a security  

[URSAY]

Additionally you can submit information here...

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

[atcsecure]

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

Your clearly missing the fact the ITO was never a security or presented as one, no shares were issued during the ITO, it was crowd funding for the software

[URSAY]

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

Your clearly missing the fact the ITO was never a security or presented as one, no shares were issued during the ITO, it was crowd funding for the software

You might forget that I was one of the concerned individuals which suggested you reconsider your terminology to it's current version.  Your words and figures have changed over time to fit your perceived needs of the moment.

[URSAY]

2/1/2011
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 4813
$14,039.46

1/2/2013
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 5922
$4,485.43

2/4/2014
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (federal) serial #981157214
$67,531.52

5/8/2014
XCurrency launched

10/15/2014
BlockNet announced

[atcsecure]

2/1/2011
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 4813
$14,039.46

1/2/2013
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 5922
$4,485.43

2/4/2014
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (federal) serial #981157214
$67,531.52

5/8/2014
XCurrency launched

10/15/2014
BlockNet announced

Virtual tokens are not securities, your NOT AN INVESTOR IN A COMPANY, you don't receive shares, voting rights or dividends

YOUR NOT BUYING SHARES OF A COMPANY, it is not a security



You understand that BlockNet Inc is US C-CORPORATION, you understand how corporate law works?

[atcsecure]

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

Your clearly missing the fact the ITO was never a security or presented as one, no shares were issued during the ITO, it was crowd funding for the software

You might forget that I was one of the concerned individuals which suggested you reconsider your terminology to it's current version.  Your words and figures have changed over time to fit your perceived needs of the moment.

No, now your just lying.... but since you think that LTC or BTC or XC is a financial security or financial instrument , I really don't care

[URSAY]

2/1/2011
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 4813
$14,039.46

1/2/2013
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 5922
$4,485.43

2/4/2014
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (federal) serial #981157214
$67,531.52

5/8/2014
XCurrency launched

10/15/2014
BlockNet announced

Virtual tokens are not securities, your NOT AN INVESTOR IN A COMPANY, you don't receive shares, voting rights or dividends

YOUR NOT BUYING SHARES OF A COMPANY, it is not a security



You understand that BlockNet Inc is US C-CORPORATION, you understand how corporate law works?

It's changed from IPO to ICO to ITO.  Coins to shares to tokens.  Which is it today Dan?

[URSAY]

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

Your clearly missing the fact the ITO was never a security or presented as one, no shares were issued during the ITO, it was crowd funding for the software

You might forget that I was one of the concerned individuals which suggested you reconsider your terminology to it's current version.  Your words and figures have changed over time to fit your perceived needs of the moment.

No, now your just lying.... but since you think that LTC or BTC or XC is a financial security or financial instrument , I really don't care

How am I lying Dan?  You really should be careful about calling someone a liar.  Regardless, can you be more specific?  What information would you like me to back up?  Are you asking me to post more facts about your operations?

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, atcsecure, Melanie Metcalf, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

[EDIT]  Out of their jurisdiction.  Suggested speaking to IRS Criminal Investigation 1-800-829-0433

Also...

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

[battbot]

2/1/2011
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 4813
$14,039.46

1/2/2013
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (MA) #0440 9000 5922
$4,485.43

2/4/2014
Daniel R. Metcalf
Tax lien (federal) serial #981157214
$67,531.52

5/8/2014
XCurrency launched

10/15/2014
BlockNet announced

Virtual tokens are not securities, your NOT AN INVESTOR IN A COMPANY, you don't receive shares, voting rights or dividends

YOUR NOT BUYING SHARES OF A COMPANY, it is not a security



You understand that BlockNet Inc is US C-CORPORATION, you understand how corporate law works?

It's changed from IPO to ICO to ITO.  Coins to shares to tokens.  Which is it today Dan?

Other terminology may have been used when BlockNET was just an idea / concept... (I'm not too sure, I'd have to go back and look).  But I do recall that when BlockNET officially launched and they made official announcements, it was always ITO and tokens.

Any change in terminology (from idea to official launch) was undoubtedly due to increased awareness of legal ramifications... but this is to be expected and encouraged.  It's called due diligence.  What's the problem?

[Longenecker]

Let's get the facts straight here:

URSAY is just the troll "rdfkdji" who got burned by Jasin Lee's ASIC project and although Jasin was never part of XC's original team, by XC's mere association and acceptance of Jasin's help towards XC (temporarily), URSAY has been spending significant effort to smear Dan's name and his projects.


URSAY = rdfkdji = unicornfarts = danisdead = isdandone and several other troll accounts.  If you've followed XC or Block's threads at all, these names should be immediately recognizable.  And yes, they are all accounts owned by URSAY.

[URSAY]

What's the problem?

Dan Metcalf has a history of financial problems which he still refuses to discuss publicly.  Regardless of this, he and his team still encouraged investors to invest in and use his financial products.  All of the relevant info was not put forth.  People lost money.  If you have a personal documented history of financial problems then you have no business organizing and releasing financial products to the general public.

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, Melanie Metcalf, atcsecure, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

[EDIT]  Out of their jurisdiction.  Suggested speaking to IRS Criminal Investigation 1-800-829-0433

Also...

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

[URSAY]

Let's get the facts straight here:

URSAY is just the troll "rdfkdji" who got burned by Jasin Lee's ASIC project and although Jasin was never part of XC's original team, by XC's mere association and acceptance of Jasin's help towards XC (temporarily), URSAY has been spending significant effort to smear Dan's name and his projects.


URSAY = rdfkdji = unicornfarts = danisdead = isdandone and several other troll accounts.  If you've followed XC or Block's threads at all, these names should be immediately recognizable.  And yes, they are all accounts owned by URSAY.

Ha.  Nice try.  I am none of those accounts.  But I will let you play.  I won't delete your post because I play fair.  Notice I didn't use the word FUD or troll?  I don't divert from the real issues and you are welcome to your opinion. 

[battbot]

What's the problem?

Dan Metcalf has a history of financial problems which he still refuses to discuss publicly.  Regardless of this, he and his team still encouraged investors to invest in and use his financial products.  All of the relevant info was not put forth.  People lost money.  If you have a personal documented history of financial problems then you have no business organizing and releasing financial products to the general public.

Nice strawman, but that's not the point I was addressing.  Why are you changing the topic?  I was addressing the change of terminology which you painted to be unethical acting on Dan's behalf, when really, it's just due diligence.  Expected and encouraged.

It is quite clear what your intentions here are.  

[URSAY]

What's the problem?

Dan Metcalf has a history of financial problems which he still refuses to discuss publicly.  Regardless of this, he and his team still encouraged investors to invest in and use his financial products.  All of the relevant info was not put forth.  People lost money.  If you have a personal documented history of financial problems then you have no business organizing and releasing financial products to the general public.

Nice strawman, but that's not the point I was addressing.  Why are you changing the topic?  I was addressing the change of terminology which you painted to be unethical acting on Dan's behalf, when really, it's just due diligence.  Expected and encouraged.

It is quite clear what your intentions here are.  

You are welcome to do some research.  Go back into my post history and you will see that I suggested much of this due diligence.  This was before I understood the seriousness of Dan's financial situation.

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, Melanie Metcalf, atcsecure, XCurrency, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

[EDIT]  Out of their jurisdiction.  Suggested speaking to IRS Criminal Investigation 1-800-829-0433

Also...

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

[cryptico]

Hey Ursay why don't you make your identity public as Dan did so we can bring you back home to your mother.... it seems you are pretty lost and you are crying a lot.
She will give you your lollipop and gave you your weekly pay so that you can then throw them away in some other bad investment. After a week rince and repeat we will know where to find you and will bring you back to your mommy so that she can wipe your tears and spoil you a little more...

You breastsucker looser

[URSAY]

Hey Ursay why don't you make your identity public as Dan did so we can bring you back home to your mother.... it seems you are pretty lost and you are crying a lot.
She will give you your lollipop and gave you your weekly pay so that you can then throw them away in some other bad investment. After a week rince and repeat we will know where to find you and will bring you back to your mommy so that she can wipe your tears and spoil you a little more...

You breastsucker looser

 

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, Melanie Metcalf, atcsecure, XCurrency, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

[EDIT]  Out of their jurisdiction.  Suggested speaking to IRS Criminal Investigation 1-800-829-0433

Also...

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

[CoinsDude]

@ursay - please stop posting the same stuff as all you are doing is loosing credibility.. People who post the same stuff over & over are generally just trolls.

We all know who Dan is as he has posted his real name. Please post your real name like Dan has otherwise no one is going to believe anything you say & will think you are just trolling.

[URSAY]

@ursay - please stop posting the same stuff as all you are doing is loosing credibility.. People who post the same stuff over & over are generally just trolls.

We all know who Dan is as he has posted his real name. Please post your real name like Dan has otherwise no one is going to believe anything you say & will think you are just trolling.

The guy with 41 posts says I'm losing credibility.  Or are you just unwilling to verify the facts I'm putting forth?  I'd be happy to post a step by step walk thru so anyone can find this info at plymouthdeeds.org if you think that is needed.

[wooder]

Hey Ursay why don't you make your identity public as Dan did so we can bring you back home to your mother.... it seems you are pretty lost and you are crying a lot.
She will give you your lollipop and gave you your weekly pay so that you can then throw them away in some other bad investment. After a week rince and repeat we will know where to find you and will bring you back to your mommy so that she can wipe your tears and spoil you a little more...

You breastsucker looser

 

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, atcsecure, XCurrency, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

Also...

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/InvestorComplaint/compidx.aspx

did you file a complaint by now?

[URSAY]

did you file a complaint by now?

Yes, I have filed a complaint on both sites and I am continuing to compile relevant info along with background third parties.  If Dan Metcalf had properly disclosed his financial situation to consumers then it's unlikely he would of seen any sort of trust around his "open source on a timeline" financial products.

BlockNet fund raiser held 10/29/14 at 5 am EST
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg9359978#msg9359978

BlockNet Inc. date of organization in Mass.  11/17/14
http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/CorpWeb/CorpSearch/CorpSummary.aspx?FEIN=001152206&SEARCH_TYPE=1

Shouldn't the corp. be formed BEFORE it issues shares and "burns" coins?  Dan?  Didn't you want to talk about your class c corp.?

[URSAY]

Should I start addressing my questions to Melanie who is the secretary and director of BlockNet Inc.?  Dan?

[CoinsDude]

@ursay - please stop posting the same stuff as all you are doing is loosing credibility.. People who post the same stuff over & over are generally just trolls.

We all know who Dan is as he has posted his real name. Please post your real name like Dan has otherwise no one is going to believe anything you say & will think you are just trolling.

The guy with 41 posts says I'm losing credibility.  Or are you just unwilling to verify the facts I'm putting forth?  I'd be happy to post a step by step walk thru so anyone can find this info at plymouthdeeds.org if you think that is needed.

You are a known troll as you are refusing to back up any of your posts by posting your real name.

The only reason you have over 1000 posts is that you keep repeating the same things - any idiot can do that! Most your posts are only about trying to discredit Dan anyway. You have made your point - now move on the other things instead of just being a troll on these forums.

[URSAY]

You are a known troll as you are refusing to back up any of your posts by posting your real name.

The only reason you have over 1000 posts is that you keep repeating the same things - any idiot can do that! Most your posts are only about trying to discredit Dan anyway. You have made your point - now move on the other things instead of just being a troll on these forums.

Is that the new thing?  If you don't post your real name then your a troll?  Go ahead.  You can start with that new rule.  What's your name?   

Sorry about the repeated posts.  I'll try and add more and different details about Dan and Melanie's operations just for you.  

[CoinsDude]

You are a known troll as you are refusing to back up any of your posts by posting your real name.

The only reason you have over 1000 posts is that you keep repeating the same things - any idiot can do that! Most your posts are only about trying to discredit Dan anyway. You have made your point - now move on the other things instead of just being a troll on these forums.

Is that the new thing?  If you don't post your real name then your a troll?  Go ahead.  You can start with that new rule.  What's your name?   

Sorry about the repeated posts.  I'll try and add more and different details about Dan and Melanie's operations just for you.  

So are you still refusing to post your real name? We all know Dan's real name but you are refusing to tell us your real name?

If you are not willing to post your real name then obviously you are just trolling..lol

[infinitechaos]

It seems that your whole 'case', URSAY, hinges upon whether or not Dan's products would indeed be considered financial instruments or securities in the eyes of the institutions which uphold the legal code you are referencing. Do you have information that assures you that Dan has distributed financial instruments or securities?

As Dan has said, it seems that at this point the IRS and the US government in general has declared that cryptocurrencies are property and so I'm not so sure the legal code you are referencing applies here. What do you have to say about this?

[rdnkjdi]

Let's get the facts straight here:

URSAY is just the troll "rdfkdji" who got burned by Jasin Lee's ASIC project and although Jasin was never part of XC's original team, by XC's mere association and acceptance of Jasin's help towards XC (temporarily), URSAY has been spending significant effort to smear Dan's name and his projects.


URSAY = rdfkdji = unicornfarts = danisdead = isdandone and several other troll accounts.  If you've followed XC or Block's threads at all, these names should be immediately recognizable.  And yes, they are all accounts owned by URSAY.

You guys are so stupid.

Do a google for my screen name and see if you still think I am someone else's sockpuppet.  (Hint .. USRAY isn't linked to me.  And tried to start an honest, open friendly dialog some time ago in the best interest of XC.  Look at my post history - I've never given a shit about XC's success.)

He's been active around these forums a lot longer than I have.

There's a thread of truth to what you say and it's available on the internet - but you guys are too stupid, lazy and outright deceptive in an attempt to convince either yourselves or others that XC / Blocknet is anything but what USRAY is outlining.  That you can't actually dig for real information (Maybe you think everyone is just splitting up the noob income bitcoin flow by screaming the loudest without actually bothering to look into anything?)

I've seen a lot of circlejerks on altcoins.  But XC is by far the stupidest.

Not to mention the joke of a PR guy who goes out on a limb to defend his friend (scamming Jasinlee) at the expense of the coin he's supposed to be promoting.  While you guys cheer him on.  

There's so much doubletalk on everything.  And the "internet of blockchains" ... I guess jacking off to that XC PR video got old?  It's like the bran flakes to SuperNET's Rasin Bran.    Dan needed more money and was finished dumping XC?

lol ...

[URSAY]

Thank you for your post rdnkjdi

Please consider calling the securities division within the Commonwealth of Mass.  You can also email them.  I've already placed a call to them last week and I will be making an effort to speak to them again today.
Toll Free: 1-800-269-5428
securities@sec.state.ma.us

Also, the corporations division...
Ph.  617-727-9640
corpinfo@sec.state.ma.us

Submit a complaint about Dan Metcalf, Melanie Metcalf, atcsecure, XCurrency, ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271), BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

Consider referencing liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

[URSAY]

*Note the changes to a few recent posts on the last page

Although this site appears to only cover complaints on IRS agents or people impersonating IRS agents, I have been assured that this is the correct place to file a complaint thru the online form.

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/contact_report.shtml

[EDIT]  Out of their jurisdiction.  Suggested speaking to IRS Criminal Investigation 1-800-829-0433

[infinitechaos]

It seems that your whole 'case', URSAY, hinges upon whether or not Dan's products would indeed be considered financial instruments or securities in the eyes of the institutions which uphold the legal code you are referencing. Do you have information that assures you that Dan has distributed financial instruments or securities?

As Dan has said, it seems that at this point the IRS and the US government in general has declared that cryptocurrencies are property and so I'm not so sure the legal code you are referencing applies here. What do you have to say about this?

Can you address this, URSAY?

[URSAY]

It seems that your whole 'case', URSAY, hinges upon whether or not Dan's products would indeed be considered financial instruments or securities in the eyes of the institutions which uphold the legal code you are referencing. Do you have information that assures you that Dan has distributed financial instruments or securities?

As Dan has said, it seems that at this point the IRS and the US government in general has declared that cryptocurrencies are property and so I'm not so sure the legal code you are referencing applies here. What do you have to say about this?

Can you address this, URSAY?

Yes it will be addressed.  My project is "open source on a timeline" so it should be released any day now.  There is a lot of work going on behind the scenes.  

Or, in the words of synechist...

We continue to work away in the background, and we're excited to unveil new things as they come.

[infinitechaos]

I don't get it.

What does any of that have to do with your thinking that Dan's blockchain projects qualify as securities or financial instruments?

I'd love to hear what you have to say about that, but I'm not interested in whatever kind of remark that was.

[CoinsDude]

@ursay - You still have not told us your full name yet? Why should anyone believe someone who is trying to hide under a forum username?

[solid12345]

Will the Internet of Blockchains finally allow the developers of Halcyon, Keycoin, Aero and UTIL to talk to one another?

[sofu]

Will the Internet of Blockchains finally allow the developers of Halcyon, Keycoin, Aero and UTIL to talk to one another?

Lol. Monolog on the blockchain 

[00Smurf]

Will the Internet of Blockchains finally allow the developers of Halcyon, Keycoin, Aero and UTIL to talk to one another?

aero isn't in blocknet?

[URSAY]

so this is an Inc. now ?

Domestic profit corp.
BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206)

President:  Dan R. Metcalf
Treasurer:  Dan R. Metcalf
Secretary:  Melanie Metcalf
Director:  Melanie Metcalf

http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/CorpWeb/CorpSearch/CorpSummary.aspx?FEIN=001152206&SEARCH_TYPE=1

[URSAY]

I've had some phone conversations with new acquaintances recently.  I will be sharing a wealth of info with them later today.  Do you have info that should be included about Dan Metcalf, Melanie Metcalf, XCurrency, BlockNet Inc. (ID # 001152206), or ATC Solutions LLC (ID # 001068271)?  Please send me a PM.  Thanks.

Tax liens
MA #0440 9000 4813
MA #0440 9000 5922
Federal #981157214

[infinitechaos]

Bump.

Please spare the smart ass comments this time, thank you. If you want to be treated like a professional, please act like one. A straightforward summary of your thoughts on how Dan's blockchain projects qualify as financial instruments will do just fine, thank you.

It seems that your whole 'case', URSAY, hinges upon whether or not Dan's products would indeed be considered financial instruments or securities in the eyes of the institutions which uphold the legal code you are referencing. Do you have information that assures you that Dan has distributed financial instruments or securities?

As Dan has said, it seems that at this point the IRS and the US government in general has declared that cryptocurrencies are property and so I'm not so sure the legal code you are referencing applies here. What do you have to say about this?

[URSAY]

Bump.

Please spare the smart ass comments this time, thank you. If you want to be treated like a professional, please act like one. A straightforward summary of your thoughts on how Dan's blockchain projects qualify as financial instruments will do just fine, thank you.

It seems that your whole 'case', URSAY, hinges upon whether or not Dan's products would indeed be considered financial instruments or securities in the eyes of the institutions which uphold the legal code you are referencing. Do you have information that assures you that Dan has distributed financial instruments or securities?

As Dan has said, it seems that at this point the IRS and the US government in general has declared that cryptocurrencies are property and so I'm not so sure the legal code you are referencing applies here. What do you have to say about this?

infinitechaos, your wants and needs are not of my concern.  Have a nice day.  

[EDIT]  Perhaps I was a bit too harsh.  I will work on updating the first page of this thread with some relevant info.

[infinitechaos]

Bump.

Please spare the smart ass comments this time, thank you. If you want to be treated like a professional, please act like one. A straightforward summary of your thoughts on how Dan's blockchain projects qualify as financial instruments will do just fine, thank you.

It seems that your whole 'case', URSAY, hinges upon whether or not Dan's products would indeed be considered financial instruments or securities in the eyes of the institutions which uphold the legal code you are referencing. Do you have information that assures you that Dan has distributed financial instruments or securities?

As Dan has said, it seems that at this point the IRS and the US government in general has declared that cryptocurrencies are property and so I'm not so sure the legal code you are referencing applies here. What do you have to say about this?

infinitechaos, your wants and needs are not of my concern.  Have a nice day.  

Look, URSAY, I can see that you think I'm just trolling your little pow-wow here. But the fact of the matter is that I know a lot about these projects and you are asking for information that might help your case. Would it not be in your best interest to clarify what your case is if you are asking for information?

Think about it, who else is going to come forward with any information other than someone like myself who has a history of involvement with these projects? If you aren't going to clarify your case for me so that I can decide whether or not I have anything to help your case or whether or not I want to help your case, then what is this thread but a circle-jerk?

I'm a trader, URSAY. I don't have emotional attachments to projects. I'm not here on some kind of a vendetta. I don't waste my time with such petty things. I'm here because it seems you might be able to teach me something or enlighten me in some form. If you can show me you have a case and that legitimate wrong-doing occurred, you had better believe I'd be the first to make some phone calls too.

It's your call. Do you legitimately have something here or not?

[URSAY]

Would it not be in your best interest to clarify what your case is if you are asking for information?

You are free to contribute or not.  While I already have other contributors, my project does not rely on any particular additional info from you.  OP updated with some basics.

[solid12345]

Who really cares if Dan's projects are legal securities or not, but peer reviewing your own code, working with pump and dump groups and designing coins under pseudonyms is shady and unethical.

[infinitechaos]

Who really cares if Dan's projects are legal securities or not, but peer reviewing your own code, working with pump and dump groups and designing coins under pseudonyms is shady and unethical.

I'm not here to comment on any of that as most of it is heresy.

URSAY is speaking about alleged legal infringements, therefore it is certainly of importance how exactly Dan's projects would be classified within the legal system by which Dan would be charged if things progressed that far.

I'll just await the 'More info coming' I guess....

[leewilson]

Knowing my post will most likely be deleted off of the blocknet thread, I will post it here as well
I hope you the very best in the exposure and prosecution that is inevitable:

You been had, you been took, you been hoodwinked, bamboozled, led astray, run amok.
We didn't land on Plymouth Rock. The block was landed on us.

People sometimes make mistak

Number of players...zero

CPE1704TKS

Greetings

A strange game.

The only winning move is
not to play.

I keep seeing the argument that block is property and not a security.
That does not get rid of the problem:

there is a lien in favor of the United States on all property and rights to property belonging to this taxpayer for the amount of taxes, and additional penalties, interest, and costs that may accrue.

You're in a desert, walking along in the sand when all of a sudden you look down and see a...

Better call Saul

[URSAY]

Update.  My project is progressing nicely.  If you'd like to get involved, shoot me a PM. 

[URSAY]

Considering the recent Bitnation partnership, this is worth a listen.

Let's Talk Bitcoin:  LTB E148 - Bitnation Apprehension and the Money We Use

https://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/ltb-e148-bitnation-apprehension-and-the-money-we-use

[Revelation]

Nice work URSAY. I hope Dan's Scamming Co. will get what they deserve. I am willing to help in any way to bring crypto fraud to justice.

[URSAY]

Dan Metcalf to appear with Susanne Tempelhof (CEO, Bitnation) on the decentralize.fm Podcast, April 28th!

How exciting!  Will there be any discussion about evading existing federal tax liens thru crypto?

[cloudboy]

How is the BlockNET scam still even around? It's so obviously a complete ripoff of SuperNET, just without any real tech and all mass delusion.

[sugarboy321]

How is the BlockNET scam still even around? It's so obviously a complete ripoff of SuperNET, just without any real tech and all mass delusion.

You have answered your own question.

Blocknet already has the funds, if it was a scam they would have disappeared already.

As far as tech goes they made several advances, I hope you like reading.

https://plus.google.com/events/ce0c82vkb50fm2fp97m6unnek0k

https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/blocknet-internet-blockchains-launches-think-tank/

http://cryptonewsday.com/blocknet-releases-decentralized-exchange-alpha-forms-inter-blockchain-think-tank/

https://twitter.com/The_Blocknet/status/588094975226830848

http://themerkle.com/news/harnassing-blockchain-technology-create-diy-governance-2-0/

http://cointelegraph.com/news/113644/governance-moves-forward-via-bitnation-blocknet-horizon-partnership

http://newsbtc.com/2015/01/06/xcurrency-release-mobile-app-cross-block-chain-messaging/

http://www.satoshis.guru/home/coin-info/blocknet/

http://cointelegraph.com/news/112782/blocknet-is-like-the-mega-man-of-altcoins

http://newsbtc.com/2015/01/06/xcurrency-release-mobile-app-cross-block-chain-messaging/

[URSAY]

Your probably right.  The PDFs that are frequently released by the team with pretty graphics and tech buzzwords are completely true.  None of the code was copied from other projects.  The new PDF which asks for more money in a more private way is more transparent then usual.  Dan's federal and state tax liens are just pretend.  I'm sure none of the news stories you posted were paid for or run by insiders.  I'm looking forward to Dan's Ethereum meetups!  Will BlockNet Inc.'s secretary/director (Melanie Metcalf) be there to help answer questions? 

[sugarboy321]

Let me ask you something, how do tax liens prove that blocknet is a scam?

[URSAY]

Let me ask you something, how do tax liens prove that blocknet is a scam?

You may want to try understanding how 5 figure federal and state tax liens effect an individual's finances.  Furthermore, is it wise to trust a leader of financial products who is unable to handle their personal finances and is unwilling to discuss the matter with the product's users?

Step 1.  Create coin that benefits family LLCs and chosen insiders
Step 2.  Add PDF PR with graphics and tech buzz words
Step 3.  Change social channels frequently to avoid tough questions, hide questionable info, and avoid actual development
Step 4.  Rinse and repeat

[infinitechaos]

You may want to try understanding how 5 figure federal and state tax liens effect an individual's finances.  Furthermore, is it wise to trust a leader of financial products who is unable to handle their personal finances and is unwilling to discuss the matter with the product's users?

Step 1.  Create coin that benefits family LLCs and chosen insiders
Step 2.  Add PDF PR with graphics and tech buzz words
Step 3.  Change social channels frequently to avoid tough questions, hide questionable info, and avoid actual development
Step 4.  Rinse and repeat

These 'steps' are assumptions you've made about Dan's projects which are backed up by zero evidence.

[URSAY]

You may want to try understanding how 5 figure federal and state tax liens effect an individual's finances.  Furthermore, is it wise to trust a leader of financial products who is unable to handle their personal finances and is unwilling to discuss the matter with the product's users?

Step 1.  Create coin that benefits family LLCs and chosen insiders
Step 2.  Add PDF PR with graphics and tech buzz words
Step 3.  Change social channels frequently to avoid tough questions, hide questionable info, and avoid actual development
Step 4.  Rinse and repeat

These 'steps' are assumptions you've made about Dan's projects which are backed up by zero evidence.

You are entitled to your opinion and that includes your assumption about what amount of evidence I choose to share.

[sugarboy321]

If you brought evidence that Dan used Blocknet funds to pay off his debts, THAT would be some evidence. Other than that you just imply that he is shady.

[infinitechaos]

You may want to try understanding how 5 figure federal and state tax liens effect an individual's finances.  Furthermore, is it wise to trust a leader of financial products who is unable to handle their personal finances and is unwilling to discuss the matter with the product's users?

Step 1.  Create coin that benefits family LLCs and chosen insiders
Step 2.  Add PDF PR with graphics and tech buzz words
Step 3.  Change social channels frequently to avoid tough questions, hide questionable info, and avoid actual development
Step 4.  Rinse and repeat

These 'steps' are assumptions you've made about Dan's projects which are backed up by zero evidence.

You are entitled to your opinion and that includes your assumption about what amount of evidence I choose to share.

LOL
How high ARE you, URSAY?

I'll continue to assume that you have zero evidence to back up your assumptions until you choose to make whatever evidence you say that you have publicly available.

Until then, you're just a sad, lonely troll amongst trolls on this shitty forum.

[slapper]

Wait so he posts proof of Metcalf's tax liens (PDFs) and he is a troll? People laugh at the DRK crowd, but there aint nothing like the XC faggots, not one coin comes close to the level of these fags.

Here is Dan's interview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIasr2AiyZ0

[URSAY]

You may want to try understanding how 5 figure federal and state tax liens effect an individual's finances.  Furthermore, is it wise to trust a leader of financial products who is unable to handle their personal finances and is unwilling to discuss the matter with the product's users?

Step 1.  Create coin that benefits family LLCs and chosen insiders
Step 2.  Add PDF PR with graphics and tech buzz words
Step 3.  Change social channels frequently to avoid tough questions, hide questionable info, and avoid actual development
Step 4.  Rinse and repeat

These 'steps' are assumptions you've made about Dan's projects which are backed up by zero evidence.

You are entitled to your opinion and that includes your assumption about what amount of evidence I choose to share.

LOL
How high ARE you, URSAY?

I'll continue to assume that you have zero evidence to back up your assumptions until you choose to make whatever evidence you say that you have publicly available.

Until then, you're just a sad, lonely troll amongst trolls on this shitty forum.

Cool bro.  I'm not too concerned about what you assume and how you feel about me.  I will continue to compile relevant info and you can continue to get upset and call me names.   

[infinitechaos]

You may want to try understanding how 5 figure federal and state tax liens effect an individual's finances.  Furthermore, is it wise to trust a leader of financial products who is unable to handle their personal finances and is unwilling to discuss the matter with the product's users?

Step 1.  Create coin that benefits family LLCs and chosen insiders
Step 2.  Add PDF PR with graphics and tech buzz words
Step 3.  Change social channels frequently to avoid tough questions, hide questionable info, and avoid actual development
Step 4.  Rinse and repeat

These 'steps' are assumptions you've made about Dan's projects which are backed up by zero evidence.

You are entitled to your opinion and that includes your assumption about what amount of evidence I choose to share.

LOL
How high ARE you, URSAY?

I'll continue to assume that you have zero evidence to back up your assumptions until you choose to make whatever evidence you say that you have publicly available.

Until then, you're just a sad, lonely troll amongst trolls on this shitty forum.

Cool bro.  I'm not too concerned about what you assume and how you feel about me.  I will continue to compile relevant info and you can continue to get upset and call me names.   

Don't flatter yourself. I'm not upset.

I'm just calling things like I see them. You are making public allegations without any evidence. That sounds rather troll-like to me.

This is pretty amusing though. I'll keep stopping by once in awhile for a good chuckle.

[Chew Kok]

Has XC released Rev 3.0? It was promised to be released in late Fall.
Has XC released Rev 2.5?
Has XC released their mobile staking wallets?
Where is the third party review?
Why has the only update to the XC client been about syncing, and staking?
How come Dan has been working on BN, while XC is obviously not finished?
What about all those XC investors who were promised BN would not conflict with XC development?


Forget about the issue of Prometheus chat logs, Jasinlee, premine, Utilitycoin Dev being Dan, Coin reviews, closed source... oh yeah! Tax liens.

So if you are going to defend him Infintechaos, then answer this... What was he working on from July to November? Where did the premine go? Oh right... paying your PR guys salary. Did the community know about that? Where did all that money go? Must be that awesome website!

[infinitechaos]

Has XC released Rev 3.0? It was promised to be released in late Fall.
Has XC released Rev 2.5?
Has XC released their mobile staking wallets?
Where is the third party review?
Why has the only update to the XC client been about syncing, and staking?
How come Dan has been working on BN, while XC is obviously not finished?
What about all those XC investors who were promised BN would not conflict with XC development?


Forget about the issue of Prometheus chat logs, Jasinlee, premine, Utilitycoin Dev being Dan, Coin reviews, closed source... oh yeah! Tax liens.

So if you are going to defend him Infintechaos, then answer this... What was he working on from July to November? Where did the premine go? Oh right... paying your PR guys salary. Did the community know about that? Where did all that money go? Must be that awesome website!

I was going to take the time to answer your questions until I got to the bold part.

I'm not defending anything here, good sir, other than the notion that public allegations ought to be supported by evidence.

[sugarboy321]

Has XC released Rev 3.0? It was promised to be released in late Fall.
Has XC released Rev 2.5?
Has XC released their mobile staking wallets?
Where is the third party review?
Why has the only update to the XC client been about syncing, and staking?
How come Dan has been working on BN, while XC is obviously not finished?
What about all those XC investors who were promised BN would not conflict with XC development?


Forget about the issue of Prometheus chat logs, Jasinlee, premine, Utilitycoin Dev being Dan, Coin reviews, closed source... oh yeah! Tax liens.

So if you are going to defend him Infintechaos, then answer this... What was he working on from July to November? Where did the premine go? Oh right... paying your PR guys salary. Did the community know about that? Where did all that money go? Must be that awesome website!

NOOB ACCOUNT....Nuff said.

[adhitthana]

Why is the price of XC and the blocknet rising?

[adhitthana]

What is happening with the other Blocknet coins? Sonic, Librex etc....

[illodin]

Why is the price of XC and the blocknet rising?

They're not?

[adhitthana]

Why is the price of XC and the blocknet rising?

They're not?

They have both gone up recently. Probably they have both doubled or near enough.
https://www.bittrex.com/Market/?MarketName=BTC-XC

[URSAY]

Has XC released Rev 3.0? It was promised to be released in late Fall.
Has XC released Rev 2.5?
Has XC released their mobile staking wallets?
Where is the third party review?
Why has the only update to the XC client been about syncing, and staking?
How come Dan has been working on BN, while XC is obviously not finished?
What about all those XC investors who were promised BN would not conflict with XC development?


Forget about the issue of Prometheus chat logs, Jasinlee, premine, Utilitycoin Dev being Dan, Coin reviews, closed source... oh yeah! Tax liens.

So if you are going to defend him Infintechaos, then answer this... What was he working on from July to November? Where did the premine go? Oh right... paying your PR guys salary. Did the community know about that? Where did all that money go? Must be that awesome website!

Enjoyed your post.  Remember XChat?  XC's first big feature.  It works sometimes right?  Just enough to pass as a "software" company.

[battbot]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjy_7haflaM

[infinitechaos]

Has XC released Rev 3.0? It was promised to be released in late Fall.
Has XC released Rev 2.5?
Has XC released their mobile staking wallets?
Where is the third party review?
Why has the only update to the XC client been about syncing, and staking?
How come Dan has been working on BN, while XC is obviously not finished?
What about all those XC investors who were promised BN would not conflict with XC development?


Forget about the issue of Prometheus chat logs, Jasinlee, premine, Utilitycoin Dev being Dan, Coin reviews, closed source... oh yeah! Tax liens.

So if you are going to defend him Infintechaos, then answer this... What was he working on from July to November? Where did the premine go? Oh right... paying your PR guys salary. Did the community know about that? Where did all that money go? Must be that awesome website!

Enjoyed your post.  Remember XChat?  XC's first big feature.  It works sometimes right?  Just enough to pass as a "software" company.

Is that the best you've got URSAY?

Yeah, XChat had some OS-specific bugs/issues in October 2014 when you last tried it.

But if you'd bothered to do any research on what's transpired in the past 7 months or so you'd know that XChat has been fixed and is without the bugs on Mac OSX about which you seem to be so sour.

What else have you got in that bag of tricks of yours?

[Chew Kok]

Noob account? Haters gona hate? Sour grapes? Bag of tricks? Do you guys have any clue how absolutely ridiculous you look? Where's the beef for fuck sakes? Its been 9 months since you promised a client that would be open sourced and this is how you respond? Shit... I didnt even bring up loljosh-gate, Fedora mixer-gate, btw... whatever happened to Mindfox?    Dan, Arlyn... when can we expect Data storage, and Mesh Networking? I know David Irvine and his team have been working on it before Bitcoin was even dreamt of, but you guys are different? Truth is... nobody really gives a shit about XC, its irrelevant, but Dans actions are not! Steven King once said... "Only enemies speak the truth; friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty". Isn't that beautiful? 

[infinitechaos]

Noob account? Haters gona hate? Sour grapes? Bag of tricks? Do you guys have any clue how absolutely ridiculous you look? Where's the beef for fuck sakes? Its been 9 months since you promised a client that would be open sourced and this is how you respond? Shit... I didnt even bring up loljosh-gate, Fedora mixer-gate, btw... whatever happened to Mindfox?    Dan, Arlyn... when can we expect Data storage, and Mesh Networking? I know David Irvine and his team have been working on it before Bitcoin was even dreamt of, but you guys are different? Truth is... nobody really gives a shit about XC, its irrelevant, but Dans actions are not! Steven King once said... "Only enemies speak the truth; friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty". Isn't that beautiful?  

 

Please, the only things that are ridiculous here are your spelling/grammar and photoshop skills.

You can attempt to make me and the others posting here out to be some sort of fanatical cultists all you want, but the bottom line is that I'm the only one stating facts here without any sort of emotional attachment.

XC was open-sourced a month ago.

[Chew Kok]

Noob account? Haters gona hate? Sour grapes? Bag of tricks? Do you guys have any clue how absolutely ridiculous you look? Where's the beef for fuck sakes? Its been 9 months since you promised a client that would be open sourced and this is how you respond? Shit... I didnt even bring up loljosh-gate, Fedora mixer-gate, btw... whatever happened to Mindfox?    Dan, Arlyn... when can we expect Data storage, and Mesh Networking? I know David Irvine and his team have been working on it before Bitcoin was even dreamt of, but you guys are different? Truth is... nobody really gives a shit about XC, its irrelevant, but Dans actions are not! Steven King once said... "Only enemies speak the truth; friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty". Isn't that beautiful?  

 

Please, the only things that are ridiculous here are your spelling/grammar and photoshop skills.

You can attempt to make me and the others posting here out to be some sort of fanatical cultists all you want, but the bottom line is that I'm the only one stating facts here without any sort of emotional attachment.

XC was open-sourced a month ago.

 You are the only one stating facts without any sort of emotional attachment? He didn't use an apostrophe! He did't use a hyphen! He was too lazy to use spell check! He has no credibility! Kick the crap out of that strawman little guy!

XC is open source? Then make a new thread and lets see what's under the hood, shall we? Actually... I will do that for you. Hehehehe. This should spice things up!

[sugarboy321]

Noob account? Haters gona hate? Sour grapes? Bag of tricks? Do you guys have any clue how absolutely ridiculous you look? Where's the beef for fuck sakes? Its been 9 months since you promised a client that would be open sourced and this is how you respond? Shit... I didnt even bring up loljosh-gate, Fedora mixer-gate, btw... whatever happened to Mindfox?    Dan, Arlyn... when can we expect Data storage, and Mesh Networking? I know David Irvine and his team have been working on it before Bitcoin was even dreamt of, but you guys are different? Truth is... nobody really gives a shit about XC, its irrelevant, but Dans actions are not! Steven King once said... "Only enemies speak the truth; friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty". Isn't that beautiful? 

Prob one of URSAY alt accounts.

[Chew Kok]

Noob account? Haters gona hate? Sour grapes? Bag of tricks? Do you guys have any clue how absolutely ridiculous you look? Where's the beef for fuck sakes? Its been 9 months since you promised a client that would be open sourced and this is how you respond? Shit... I didnt even bring up loljosh-gate, Fedora mixer-gate, btw... whatever happened to Mindfox?    Dan, Arlyn... when can we expect Data storage, and Mesh Networking? I know David Irvine and his team have been working on it before Bitcoin was even dreamt of, but you guys are different? Truth is... nobody really gives a shit about XC, its irrelevant, but Dans actions are not! Steven King once said... "Only enemies speak the truth; friends and lovers lie endlessly, caught in the web of duty". Isn't that beautiful?  

Prob one of URSAY alt accounts.

First I'm a noob, now I'm a Legend? Thanks Sugarbaby!

[sugarboy321]

Only a Noob would take that as a compliment.

[Chew Kok]

Only a Noob would take that as a compliment.

Only an idiot wouldn't see the sarcasm.

[Chew Kok]

Only a Noob would take that as a compliment.

Do you really think I am a noob, knowing all that I know about your project? Seriously, you are the epitome of stupid! Go back to cheerleading and circle-jerking. Must hurt buying XC in August when everybody else left who had half a brain. Guys like me. Hehehehehe! And I am village idiot! NOOB!

[sugarboy321]

Only a Noob would take that as a compliment.

Do you really think I am a noob, knowing all that I know about your project? Seriously, you are the epitome of stupid! Go back to cheerleading and circle-jerking. Must hurt buying XC in August when everybody else left who had half a brain. Guys like me. Hehehehehe! And I am village idiot! NOOB!

Exactly why we keep degenerates like you out of the group.

[Chew Kok]

Only a Noob would take that as a compliment.

Do you really think I am a noob, knowing all that I know about your project? Seriously, you are the epitome of stupid! Go back to cheerleading and circle-jerking. Must hurt buying XC in August when everybody else left who had half a brain. Guys like me. Hehehehehe! And I am village idiot! NOOB!

Exactly why we keep degenerates like you out of the group.

Not interested in cults dummy! I can think for myself, unlike you... dummy!

[sugarboy321]

Think for yourself? Unlikely. That vomit you spew from past trolls Is exactly the same. Its like you all use the same handbook....or maybe just the same person.

[Chew Kok]

Think for yourself? Unlikely. That vomit you spew from past trolls Is exactly the same. Its like you all use the same handbook....or maybe just the same person.

I could go all night slicing and dicing you, but you are just too stupid for me to care. Time to go out and spend some of your money dummy! Hehehehehehehehehehe!

[sugarboy321]

Some of my money? You mean the welfare money you are getting from being a loser.

[Chew Kok]

Some of my money? You mean the welfare money you are getting from being a loser.

 

   I win!

[rdnkjdi]

Posting accusations that are backed by evidence (different than proof) is not "trolling"

Posting negative comments is not "trolling"

Believing something is a scam that is / is not a scam is not "trolling"

Trolling is targeting a specific group to intentionally get certain reactions by pushing buttons.  It is an art.  Discussions, true or false accusations, evidence, warnings, negative comments, post "unrelated tax liens"

Know your internet verbage

[sugarboy321]

The paid trolling gang is almost all here, only need icebreaker, pookie, spoetnik, unicornfarts....

[tokeweed]

Posting accusations that are backed by evidence (different than proof) is not "trolling"

Posting negative comments is not "trolling"

Believing something is a scam that is / is not a scam is not "trolling"

Trolling is targeting a specific group to intentionally get certain reactions by pushing buttons.  It is an art.  Discussions, true or false accusations, evidence, warnings, negative comments, post "unrelated tax liens"

Know your internet verbage

But but some trolls are getting better in pretending that they are not trolls.  It'san art as you said.

[sugarboy321]

Posting accusations that are backed by evidence (different than proof) is not "trolling"

Posting negative comments is not "trolling"

Believing something is a scam that is / is not a scam is not "trolling"

Trolling is targeting a specific group to intentionally get certain reactions by pushing buttons.  It is an art.  Discussions, true or false accusations, evidence, warnings, negative comments, post "unrelated tax liens"

Know your internet verbage

But but some trolls are getting better in pretending that they are not trolls.  It'san art as you said.

Or they get multiple accounts pretending to be different people. Same trick different dog.

[tokeweed]

Posting accusations that are backed by evidence (different than proof) is not "trolling"

Posting negative comments is not "trolling"

Believing something is a scam that is / is not a scam is not "trolling"

Trolling is targeting a specific group to intentionally get certain reactions by pushing buttons.  It is an art.  Discussions, true or false accusations, evidence, warnings, negative comments, post "unrelated tax liens"

Know your internet verbage

But but some trolls are getting better in pretending that they are not trolls.  It'san art as you said.

Or they get multiple accounts pretending to be different people. Same trick different dog.

Yeah.  They even argue and troll the hell out of themselves just to get threads sidetracked.  Very entertaining.

[infinitechaos]

Posting accusations that are backed by evidence (different than proof) is not "trolling"

Posting negative comments is not "trolling"

Believing something is a scam that is / is not a scam is not "trolling"

Trolling is targeting a specific group to intentionally get certain reactions by pushing buttons.  It is an art.  Discussions, true or false accusations, evidence, warnings, negative comments, post "unrelated tax liens"

Know your internet verbage

Where, then, is the evidence?

All I see here is evidence of tax liens, but no information or evidence as to how they relate to any of the other allegations posted in this thread.

I've been asking URSAY for his evidence for months now, but he refuses to provide it. So as far as this thread goes, yeah, I think it's trolling. It's purpose is not to provide any real evidence or information, but to push folks' buttons.

[URSAY]

Posting accusations that are backed by evidence (different than proof) is not "trolling"

Posting negative comments is not "trolling"

Believing something is a scam that is / is not a scam is not "trolling"

Trolling is targeting a specific group to intentionally get certain reactions by pushing buttons.  It is an art.  Discussions, true or false accusations, evidence, warnings, negative comments, post "unrelated tax liens"

Know your internet verbage

Where, then, is the evidence?

All I see here is evidence of tax liens, but no information or evidence as to how they relate to any of the other allegations posted in this thread.

I've been asking URSAY for his evidence for months now, but he refuses to provide it. So as far as this thread goes, yeah, I think it's trolling. It's purpose is not to provide any real evidence or information, but to push folks' buttons.

If you recall, I had originally started to share details with you in a private chat.  This sharing of information upset you and you immediately went to Dan and team to tattle.  I understand that you'd like to be a part of the group with which I share information.  However, you've had your chance and you were unable to play nice.  If you do not stop posting nonsense in this thread then I will need to treat it more like an XC and BlockNet thread...you will be banned.  You have been warned.

[infinitechaos]

Where, then, is the evidence?

All I see here is evidence of tax liens, but no information or evidence as to how they relate to any of the other allegations posted in this thread.

I've been asking URSAY for his evidence for months now, but he refuses to provide it. So as far as this thread goes, yeah, I think it's trolling. It's purpose is not to provide any real evidence or information, but to push folks' buttons.

If you recall, I had originally started to share details with you in a private chat.  This sharing of information upset you and you immediately went to Dan and team to tattle.  I understand that you'd like to be a part of the group with which I share information.  However, you've had your chance and you were unable to play nice.  If you do not stop posting nonsense in this thread then I will need to treat it more like an XC and BlockNet thread...you will be banned.  You have been warned.

No, I don't recall, because the scenario you outlined never happened. You shared with me in a private chat the same concerns, but no information or evidence, that you've provided in this thread.

I turned my back on XC/Blocknet, Dan, and Arlyn for a good month or so after all of these shenanigans broke onto the scene.

But I made the choice to continue to be involved in those projects some time later after realizing how void of any real substance these allegations really are and after I witnessed that Dan and Arlyn were continuing to work on these projects despite these allegations and despite the decline in the market value of these projects.

Go ahead and ban man me from your little circle-jerk here. I won't mind. The entire thing is utterly pointless anyway and with your latest bullshit lie about me you've crossed a line. I will no longer flatter you with my presence. Good day.

[sugarboy321]

Any evidence can be manufactured.

[sugarboy321]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

[URSAY]

I've noticed that the user bans are still in effect within the "official" threads.  This thread is still open for any reasonable discussion.  I would love to hear from any Ethereum team members regarding this alleged partnership with Dan Metcalf and his "groundbreaking" technologies.

[infinitechaos]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

I've noticed that the user bans are still in effect within the "official" threads.  This thread is still open for any reasonable discussion.  I would love to hear from any Ethereum team members regarding this alleged partnership with Dan Metcalf and his "groundbreaking" technologies.

This article was updated at 11:20am EST to include a quote from Ethereum's Business and Partnerships Director, George Hallam and was updated at 11:54am to indicate that Blocknet's decentralized exchange is planning to launch in alpha form, not its full release.

Notice that nowhere in the CoinTelegraph article is there mentioned a 'partnership' between Ethereum and Blocknet. In fact, the article explicitly says that this is not a partnership in its current state. Also notice that George Hallam contributed to the content of the article as per the above quote from the CoinTelegraph article. There's nothing 'alleged' about this. It's happening.

[URSAY]

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

I've noticed that the user bans are still in effect within the "official" threads.  This thread is still open for any reasonable discussion.  I would love to hear from any Ethereum team members regarding this alleged partnership with Dan Metcalf and his "groundbreaking" technologies.

This article was updated at 11:20am EST to include a quote from Ethereum's Business and Partnerships Director, George Hallam and was updated at 11:54am to indicate that Blocknet's decentralized exchange is planning to launch in alpha form, not its full release.

Notice that nowhere in the CoinTelegraph is there mentioned a 'partnership' between Ethereum and Blocknet. In fact, the article explicitly says that this is not a partnership in its current state. Also notice that George Hallam contributed to the content of the article as per the above quote from the CoinTelegraph article. There's nothing 'alleged' about this. It's happening.

Would you be kind enough to point me in the direction of any comments from Ethereum regarding this partnership or whatever your calling it?

[Longenecker]

Notice that nowhere in the CoinTelegraph article is there mentioned a 'partnership' between Ethereum and Blocknet. In fact, the article explicitly says that this is not a partnership in its current state. Also notice that George Hallam contributed to the content of the article as per the above quote from the CoinTelegraph article. There's nothing 'alleged' about this. It's happening.

[URSAY]

Manufacturing credibility by throwing around Ethereum's name.

"For its part, Ethereum is more or less just allowing the Blocknet team to do what it does best. There is no official partnership between the two, but Blocknet devs have applied for an Ethereum Devgrant and the two teams are talking, but there is little to no work that needs to be done on Ethereum's side of things. Both teams stress that this isn't a business partnership or even a formal agreement, but is instead the two networks becoming interoperable,"

[battbot]

Manufacturing credibility by throwing around Ethereum's name.

Yea, this is false.  Ethereum has to update their codebase (with xbridge) in order to become "Blocknet-enabled."  So while not officially calling it a "partnership," this is clearly a two-sided collaboration (and one that may well turn into an "official" partnership).

[URSAY]

Manufacturing credibility by throwing around Ethereum's name.

Yea, this is false.  Ethereum has to update their codebase (with xbridge) in order to become "Blocknet-enabled."  So while not officially calling it a "partnership," this is clearly a two-sided collaboration (and one that may well turn into an "official" partnership).

So the cointelegraph article is not entirely true?  This quote was pulled directly from that article.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

[battbot]

Manufacturing credibility by throwing around Ethereum's name.

Yea, this is false.  Ethereum has to update their codebase (with xbridge) in order to become "Blocknet-enabled."  So while not officially calling it a "partnership," this is clearly a two-sided collaboration (and one that may well turn into an "official" partnership).

So the cointelegraph article is not entirely true?  This quote was pulled directly from that article.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

No, the article is accurate.  There is "little to no work on Ethereum's side" because Dan is providing the poc for them. In other words, Dan is doing the work for them.  This does not change the fact that Ethereum's codebase will be updated with xbridge to become "Blocknet-enabled."

[URSAY]

Manufacturing credibility by throwing around Ethereum's name.

Yea, this is false.  Ethereum has to update their codebase (with xbridge) in order to become "Blocknet-enabled."  So while not officially calling it a "partnership," this is clearly a two-sided collaboration (and one that may well turn into an "official" partnership).

So the cointelegraph article is not entirely true?  This quote was pulled directly from that article.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

No, the article is accurate.  There is "little to no work on Ethereum's side" because Dan is providing the poc for them. In other words, Dan is doing the work for them.  This does not change the fact that Ethereum's codebase will be updated with xbridge to become "Blocknet-enabled."

This is wonderful news.  Will the Ethereum team be able to help Dan with his financial problems?

[battbot]

Manufacturing credibility by throwing around Ethereum's name.

Yea, this is false.  Ethereum has to update their codebase (with xbridge) in order to become "Blocknet-enabled."  So while not officially calling it a "partnership," this is clearly a two-sided collaboration (and one that may well turn into an "official" partnership).

So the cointelegraph article is not entirely true?  This quote was pulled directly from that article.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114228/blocknet-adding-ethereum-to-suite-of-supported-currencies

No, the article is accurate.  There is "little to no work on Ethereum's side" because Dan is providing the poc for them. In other words, Dan is doing the work for them.  This does not change the fact that Ethereum's codebase will be updated with xbridge to become "Blocknet-enabled."

This is wonderful news.  Will the Ethereum team be able to help Dan with his financial problems?

Nice circular reasoning.

[SarDQ]

BlockNet was pumped
BitSwift was pumped
BUT XCurrency was dumped

it looks like Dan has read wrong instruction in IRC and sold some coins instead of buying  
Damn, i like these guys

[cryptohunter]

BlockNet was pumped
BitSwift was pumped
BUT XCurrency was dumped

it looks like Dan has read wrong instruction in IRC and sold some coins instead of buying  
Damn, i like these guys

It's crazy there is no xcurrency thread on this board. They have the blocknet one going but seems xc only on slack for some reason.

[rdnkjdi]

BlockNet was pumped
BitSwift was pumped
BUT XCurrency was dumped

it looks like Dan has read wrong instruction in IRC and sold some coins instead of buying  
Damn, i like these guys

It's crazy there is no xcurrency thread on this board. They have the blocknet one going but seems xc only on slack for some reason.

They moved XCurrency to slack (private messaging systems).  They claimed there was too much negativity on the forums.

Some speculate it was to let XC die quietly while the devs moved on - others speculate the forums are toxic.  I believe Arlyn said it was taxing his time too much to deal with the chat thread.

[URSAY]

xc-official.com/community

The official forums also went bye bye.   

[SarDQ]

BlockNet was pumped
BitSwift was pumped
BUT XCurrency was dumped

it looks like Dan has read wrong instruction in IRC and sold some coins instead of buying  
Damn, i like these guys

It's crazy there is no xcurrency thread on this board. They have the blocknet one going but seems xc only on slack for some reason.

They moved XCurrency to slack (private messaging systems).  They claimed there was too much negativity on the forums.

Some speculate it was to let XC die quietly while the devs moved on - others speculate the forums are toxic.  I believe Arlyn said it was taxing his time too much to deal with the chat thread.

Blocknet is only the basis or bulkhead of this huge structure...
Without strong content like XC, BitSwift, HZ, etc., Blocknet becomes useless - isn't it?!

[URSAY]

Blocknet is only the basis or bulkhead of this huge structure...
Without strong content like XC, BitSwift, HZ, etc., Blocknet becomes useless - isn't it?!

But...but...Ethereum...?   

[sugarboy321]

Notice how there are three paid trolls in a row? Two of them are well known, Coordinated attack.

[rdnkjdi]

Notice how there are three paid trolls in a row? Two of them are well known, Coordinated attack.

Co-ordinated attack for a coin with $10 volume and intentionally deleted their own forums to avoid questions? 

Can someone please point me to where I can collect my paycheck?    

[sugarboy321]

Your a Trader.

Traders words can never be trusted.

[URSAY]

Your a Trader.

Traders words can never be trusted.

We are presenting facts and information.  Go ahead and debunk.  Oh...you can't?  OK BYE.  XD

[sugarboy321]

Facts maybe real, but you are false.

[URSAY]

Facts maybe real, but you are false.

Please elaborate.  I am quite open to discussion.

[SarDQ]

Traders words can never be trusted.

You mean all traders are bad people? It's just the cliche and i'm sure that isn't correct.
For instance URSAY did a lot of work to collect some information about Dan's family business with trusted facts.
I trust him. Also i trust Dan but doubt in the ability of Dan to lead to success Blocknet and XC.
All shrouded in mystery, only rumors around, also there isn't the market activity....

[SarDQ]

Bittrex may remove XC soon from it trading list.
Without XC which is the major coin, Blocknet loses sense of the existence.
This's a strong signal for sell, i would say, if i were a trader...
Seems to be GAME OVER ofc there's a chance that Dan has a joker in his poket for tough times.

[Chew Kok]

Bittrex may remove XC soon from it trading list.
Without XC which is the major coin, Blocknet loses sense of the existence.
This's a strong signal for sell, i would say, if i were a trader...
Seems to be GAME OVER ofc there's a chance that Dan has a joker in his poket for tough times.

Dan does have a joker in his pocket. His name is Arlyn Culwick.




Maybe you meant Ace? Then... no, he doesn't.

[sugarboy321]

Price Price Price, blah blah blah

Bittrex? Who cares.

Maidsafe is almost complete, and without posting updates on BTCtalk. You think people from Blocknet gives a shit about you shitty traders and shit talkers?

[Chew Kok]

Price Price Price, blah blah blah

Bittrex? Who cares.

Maidsafe is almost complete, and without posting updates on BTCtalk. You think people from Blocknet gives a shit about you shitty traders and shit talkers?

You are actually comparing XC/BN development with MAID? Seriously? And price blah, blah, blah? And who gives a shit about volume or demand? I see why XC left this place. With insightful retorts like yours, the trolls would never had a chance... huh? Oh crap! You are a fuckin BOT! You got me Sugarbaby! Fuck I feel stupid talking to a stupid fuckin Bot! Everything you said had no substance, just programmed responses. Actually, you want in a little secret? I'm a fuckin Bot too! Isn't that just crazy? Mmmmm Sugarbaby, you want a little Bot on Bot time? My code is multi-faceted. Ohhhhh SugarBaby!

[sugarboy321]

Maidsafe has been in development from 2006, far ahead of Blocknet.

Let me translate for those who are slow witted.

Your opinion does not matter. Blocknet will be built.

[Chew Kok]

Maidsafe has been in development from 2006, far ahead of Blocknet.

Let me translate for those who are slow witted.

Your opinion does not matter. Blocknet will be built.

Let me translate: You are making me HOT! You nasty little Bot! TRANSLATE ME!  TRANSLATE ME!  TRANSLATE ME! 

[sugarboy321]

Use google translate, I am no toy.

[Chew Kok]

Use google translate, I am no toy.

Hey, I got to get up early tomorrow for work. I'll call you. I promise. (Fuckin hate when they wanna talk after!)

[URSAY]

Another PDF released with pretty graphics and meaningless buzz words.  Magic.  Perhaps George Galloway is not aware of the corruption.  George Galloway, are you on bitcointalk?

[sugarboy321]

Here you go, so you don't feel left out.

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114729/london-candidate-proposes-mayorschain-a-blockchain-created-to-throw-city-halls-books-wide-open

[statdude]

#watch

[URSAY]

We haven't chatted about XC for a few weeks, but last time it was the subject of conversation, we were looking at some pretty awesome new privacy tech to potentially implement.

Potential tech to implement?  Sounds very impressive.  Is the privacy tech you discuss actually just the removal of your website and forums?  Dan needs more privacy from the trolls?

 

[iCEBREAKER]

Why BLOCK price has fallen so much recently?

Not a clue I'm afraid.

Personally it looks rather nuts to me. Sell before the decentralised exchange is released? Crazy.

At least it's actually a very low volume. Perhaps it's just a couple of people who need the BTC or something.

I think it probably has something to do with all your links dying on the main post:

Now that's what I call deprecated stealth mode.

[cryptohunter]

I can't see how there can be much trust in block ( of which i hold many) after XC (which i hold a fair amount of) was totally ruined by taking it off the board and dan just vanishing. If they were not trying to make it look like a abandoned project they totally have done so.
Just holding the coins now as hardly worth selling. Totally learned my lesson with those.

[rdnkjdi]

Why BLOCK price has fallen so much recently?

Not a clue I'm afraid.

Personally it looks rather nuts to me. Sell before the decentralised exchange is released? Crazy.

At least it's actually a very low volume. Perhaps it's just a couple of people who need the BTC or something.

I think it probably has something to do with all your links dying on the main post:

Now that's what I call deprecated stealth mode.

hilarious ... maybe there was something to 'ole what's his face's ranting about using embedded images so you could take them down later haha.

Just 'cuz you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.

[EvilDave]

If you take a quote from the Blocknet OP:

The Blocknet community's home on the internet is Slack. Sign up here: http://goo.gl/forms/UkViMl2fKn



****cut lots****

You'll see that all the images are hosted on xc-official.com, which I can only assume is the 'official' X-Currency site.
Going there gives you a blank GoDaddy page......

[adhitthana]

Does anyone here follow what is happening in the XC slack forum?
I notice the shares have been heading down again......anyone know what is going on?
Thanks

[iCEBREAKER]

Does anyone here follow what is happening in the XC slack forum?
I notice the shares have been heading down again......anyone know what is going on?
Thanks

There is no "XC slack forum."

They started a rumor there is one as a smokescreen.

Now the story is some blather about 'stealth mode' and relaunch.

Why not do it right the first time?

If they were wrong the first time, why would the second time be much different?

When the Cryptonote (Monero) whitepaper appeared, XC became obsolete.

[adhitthana]

Does anyone here follow what is happening in the XC slack forum?
I notice the shares have been heading down again......anyone know what is going on?
Thanks

There is no "XC slack forum."

They started a rumor there is one as a smokescreen.

No there definitely was one as I joined it and had some discussion there. But my free hushmail account expired so I haven't gone in to check out the discussion.
Why did you think it was only a rumor?

[adhitthana]

When the Cryptonote (Monero) whitepaper appeared, XC became obsolete.

The cryptonote whitepaper did not come from Monero though. Cryptonote was not invented by the Monero team.
Here is the cryptonote whitepaper.
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

how could a Monero paper be the cryptonote whitepaper?

[iCEBREAKER]

When the Cryptonote (Monero) whitepaper appeared, XC became obsolete.

The cryptonote whitepaper did not come from Monero though. Cryptonote was not invented by the Monero team.
Here is the cryptonote whitepaper.
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

how could a Monero paper be the cryptonote whitepaper?

Monero is the most actively developed implementation of the Cryptonote whitepaper.

[newb4now]

If you take a quote from the Blocknet OP:

The Blocknet community's home on the internet is Slack. Sign up here: http://goo.gl/forms/UkViMl2fKn



****cut lots****

You'll see that all the images are hosted on xc-official.com, which I can only assume is the 'official' X-Currency site.
Going there gives you a blank GoDaddy page......

maybe they are trying to FUD their own coin to shake out the weak hands and buy up all the cheap coins at the bottom?

lol jk

more likely this coin is dead and some group is just trying to use big words and graphics to pump and dump again

buyer beware

[adhitthana]

When the Cryptonote (Monero) whitepaper appeared, XC became obsolete.

The cryptonote whitepaper did not come from Monero though. Cryptonote was not invented by the Monero team.
Here is the cryptonote whitepaper.
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

how could a Monero paper be the cryptonote whitepaper?

Monero is the most actively developed implementation of the Cryptonote whitepaper.

I own some Monero ( a few actually). I like the way the devs interact here.
But when I see Monero fanboys having to constantly hype the coin and troll threads about other coins I tend to think that the original cryptonote coin might be where it is at. https://bytecoin.org/cryptonote/

[illodin]

When the Cryptonote (Monero) whitepaper appeared, XC became obsolete.

The cryptonote whitepaper did not come from Monero though. Cryptonote was not invented by the Monero team.
Here is the cryptonote whitepaper.
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

how could a Monero paper be the cryptonote whitepaper?

Monero is the most actively developed implementation of the Cryptonote whitepaper.

I own some Monero ( a few actually). I like the way the devs interact here.
But when I see Monero fanboys having to constantly hype the coin and troll threads about other coins I tend to think that the original cryptonote coin might be where it is at. https://bytecoin.org/cryptonote/

And now even the XC thread has become MONERO thread.

[iCEBREAKER]

When the Cryptonote (Monero) whitepaper appeared, XC became obsolete.

The cryptonote whitepaper did not come from Monero though. Cryptonote was not invented by the Monero team.
Here is the cryptonote whitepaper.
https://cryptonote.org/whitepaper.pdf

how could a Monero paper be the cryptonote whitepaper?

Monero is the most actively developed implementation of the Cryptonote whitepaper.

I own some Monero ( a few actually). I like the way the devs interact here.
But when I see Monero fanboys having to constantly hype the coin and troll threads about other coins I tend to think that the original cryptonote coin might be where it is at. https://bytecoin.org/cryptonote/

And now even the XC thread has become MONERO thread.

Well XC certainly isn't using it.

Why don't you go back to complaining about Monero in the Dash thread?   

[rdnkjdi]

Is it just me or is theblocknet.com down?

[URSAY]

Is it just me or is theblocknet.com down?

http://blocknet.co

"Error establishing a database connection"

[Marlo Stanfield]

I can't believe anyone still decides to involve themselves with anything Dan or synechist do.

Does anyone who was in to XC remember in the official thread how much synechist absolutely insisted that Blocknet would not slow down XC development at all? To the point of getting annoyed at people who questioned the idea at all?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9276122#msg9276122
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg7017518#msg7017518
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9282400#msg9282400
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9283138#msg9283138
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=630547.msg9283690#msg9283690

I wonder if he believed that at the time or he was just doing his PR thing as he's paid to do.

I actually wonder if even he feels betrayed by Dan at this point. I don't think he knew that Dan was quietly selling off the XC premine or that Dan was building an alliance with Prometheus. I remember he wasn't happy at all learning about the premine thing, and that he didn't think Dan was one to have done that behind everyone's back.

And doesn't the fact that XC needed a full time PR person working and spinning things speak volumes about the project? He seemed to have done a good job at keeping a good amount of believers strung along for as long as he could despite all the bullshit that was clearly going on. There are probably a bunch of people even now who still believe in Dan and synechist as there's not much point in selling their XC at four figure satoshi prices. Wasn't XC worth a few dollars at one point too?

People really need to get over their cognitive biases and realize that where there's smoke there's fire in these crypto projects. Dismissing anything negative as FUD is almost childish.

[rdnkjdi]

I actually wonder if even he feels betrayed by Dan at this point. I don't think he knew that Dan was quietly selling off the XC premine or that Dan was building an alliance with Prometheus. I remember he wasn't happy at all learning about the premine thing, and that he didn't think Dan was one to have done that behind everyone's back.

And doesn't the fact that XC needed a full time PR person working and spinning things speak volumes about the project?

There really were some interesting things surrounding XC.  For instance - Arlyn / Synchist defending Jasinlee (I've beat the shit out of that horse - no desire to go back).  But putting his & the coins credibility on line to defend a known scammer was weird.

Then the Promethus thing - that one was fun.  

The premine things was weird.  Seeing how blatantly wrong it was after comparing it to the original promise - but never once a "we screwed up" just a "we only intended to say we would let you know via blockchain"

Then in the early beginnings the coin release output & cap change to give Dan & company much bigger % of total coins than anticipated.

Not to mention the entire closed source thing.  And I think the coin was originally named X11coin (even though darkcoin invented the X11 Algo?)  XC started (I think) as a sort of copycat to Darkcoin with some added features (chat?).  Same pattern as Blocknet / SuperNET.

Dan has shown up to quite a few conferences and put his real face out there - I think he's genuinely interested in crypto but not competent enough to go about it via open source.  And not financially in a position to be able to work on it without using it as a means to a personal end.

It has been interesting how the crypto news ignores blatant scams - or questions like "Hey you blocknet of the future guys.  Why are the graphics no longer working on your original project and your thread locked?  Why's the blocknet website down?".  All dedicated crypto news (after seeing how this was reported) is just an extension of the "pumper" side of this forum.

tl;dr;  XC has always been weird.  Alryn / Synchis has been a slippery character always playing to his fanbase.  Dan I think got stuck in financial trouble & is tied to some shady people.  Don't trust crypto news.

[iCEBREAKER]

I actually wonder if even he feels betrayed by Dan at this point. I don't think he knew that Dan was quietly selling off the XC premine or that Dan was building an alliance with Prometheus. I remember he wasn't happy at all learning about the premine thing, and that he didn't think Dan was one to have done that behind everyone's back.

And doesn't the fact that XC needed a full time PR person working and spinning things speak volumes about the project?

There really were some interesting things surrounding XC.  For instance - Arlyn / Synchist defending Jasinlee (I've beat the shit out of that horse - no desire to go back).  But putting his & the coins credibility on line to defend a known scammer was weird.

Then the Promethus thing - that one was fun.  

The premine things was weird.  Seeing how blatantly wrong it was after comparing it to the original promise - but never once a "we screwed up" just a "we only intended to say we would let you know via blockchain"

Then in the early beginnings the coin release output & cap change to give Dan & company much bigger % of total coins than anticipated.

Not to mention the entire closed source thing.  And I think the coin was originally named X11coin (even though darkcoin invented the X11 Algo?)  XC started (I think) as a sort of copycat to Darkcoin with some added features (chat?).  Same pattern as Blocknet / SuperNET.

Dan has shown up to quite a few conferences and put his real face out there - I think he's genuinely interested in crypto but not competent enough to go about it via open source.  And not financially in a position to be able to work on it without using it as a means to a personal end.

It has been interesting how the crypto news ignores blatant scams - or questions like "Hey you blocknet of the future guys.  Why are the graphics no longer working on your original project and your thread locked?  Why's the blocknet website down?".  All dedicated crypto news (after seeing how this was reported) is just an extension of the "pumper" side of this forum.

tl;dr;  XC has always been weird.  Alryn / Synchis has been a slippery character always playing to his fanbase.  Dan I think got stuck in financial trouble & is tied to some shady people.  Don't trust crypto news.

The people who ate up synchronist's 'deprecated thread because boo-hoo toxic community' BS deserve what they're getting.

Remember when the Darkcoin and XC camps made peace?

They both saw the other's fraud, and agreed to say nothing.  That makes both camps frauds.

[Marlo Stanfield]

Remember when the Darkcoin and XC camps made peace?

They both saw the other's fraud, and agreed to say nothing.  That makes both camps frauds.

Mutually assured destruction. The two of them continuing to educate the public about each others history would just result in more widespread knowledge about both of their practices. Neither of them had the higher ground morally, so I guess you're right. I never thought of it that way.

[SecretsOfCrypto]

Price is getting cheap but is it a dead project?

[EvilDave]

I can't believe anyone still decides to involve themselves with anything Dan or synechist do.
**cut lots***
Dismissing anything negative as FUD is almost childish.

This......if you don't have enough belief in your own project that every note of criticism has to be silenced/removed, there's obviously something wrong.

[URSAY]

These stories are always interesting...

http://www.sec.gov/news/pressrelease/2015-152.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sec%2FlgHO+%28SEC.gov+Updates%3A+Press+Releases%29

[URSAY]

"This market is in danger of de-listing due to low trade volume and lack of user interest.  It may be removed on Aug. 28th unless the average daily trade volume for the last 7 days exceeds 0.2 BTC."

https://bittrex.com/Market/Index?MarketName=BTC-XC

[00Smurf]

Bahaha, scammers get what they deserve. Meanwhile legit coins slog on.

[ffmad]

Bahaha, scammers get what they deserve. Meanwhile legit coins slog on.

Yeah 

Funny to see that every coin that Shadow was accused of fudding is now dead ... 

Real innovation FTW !

[URSAY]

What are you doing here passively-aggressively insulting another project?

Don't you have some coding to be doing?

 

Asking for a clarification is treated as "insulting" in this thread? Interesting... and alarming.

Get used to it. Every single question asked is treated as unwanted in this thread. I can't remember how many legitimate posts were deleted, so the illusion that everything is good in the Blocknet world can be sustained. You are right about it - alarming as hell.

Please, ask any questions in this thread.  It is encouraged. 

[URSAY]

A very old reply of mine (50 pages back) was just deleted in the main BlockNet thread.  However, I was banned from their scam thread LONG AGO.  Deep cleaning this weekend guys?  Hiding evidence and opposition from fresh new users?

[URSAY]

I guess the "+1" replys were deleted

How odd!

Even more odd, deleting so many posts asking legit questions from potential users in the official thread.  But you wouldn't know anything about that...right synechist?   

[URSAY]

and has been audited by Dan for trustlessness.

Is a man with multiple tax liens capable of doing any kind of an audit on his own?

[URSAY]

Nov. bump.

XC is in "stealth mode." It is not dead, and is not abandoned.

You can't go in reverse, from public launch back into "stealth mode."

That's just a lame excuse for lack of deliverable product.

XC is dead.  XC is abandoned.

XC is also obsolete compared to ETH (in terms of functionality) and XMR (in terms of privacy).

Well said iCEBREAKER.

[compmaster]

I went and bought $20 of this just in case it makes a comeback. It sounds like it's dead though. At least these can they go into my museum of worthless blockchain coins.

[iCEBREAKER]

Nov. bump.

XC is in "stealth mode." It is not dead, and is not abandoned.

You can't go in reverse, from public launch back into "stealth mode."

That's just a lame excuse for lack of deliverable product.

XC is dead.  XC is abandoned.

XC is also obsolete compared to ETH (in terms of functionality) and XMR (in terms of privacy).

Well said iCEBREAKER.

Lel, they deleted my post from the so-called "deprecated" thread.

They even lie about the thread being deprecated, while they maintain its 100% cheerleader requirement for posting there.

[compmaster]

Nov. bump.

XC is in "stealth mode." It is not dead, and is not abandoned.

You can't go in reverse, from public launch back into "stealth mode."

That's just a lame excuse for lack of deliverable product.

XC is dead.  XC is abandoned.

XC is also obsolete compared to ETH (in terms of functionality) and XMR (in terms of privacy).

Well said iCEBREAKER.

Lel, they deleted my post from the so-called "deprecated" thread.

They even lie about the thread being deprecated, while they maintain it's 100% cheerleader requirement for posting there.

Moderated threads are jokes. I like community threads the best.

[benthach]

james mincraft(metcape?) is a scammer, he's all about benefiting himself of getting out of the bankruptcy and trouble with the laws.
i used to like and bought(trades) some XC by the way but found out this guy is messed up in the head and a crook.
oh, never mind, how is this project going?  
supernet and blocknet is the best solution but it is not possible from coding perspective, decentralized exchanged. it could be possible but the resources of running it is the bottleneck, so, making it impossible. 0.00000000000000000000001% would use it as it take up so much resources, not for mass adoption. bitcoin is just simple and easy.

[URSAY]

Both the Blocknet's block explorers' hosting services have expired. Not cool!

[URSAY]

Blocknet scam confirmed.. Nice synechist you got 80 btc for some random posting on a forum nice job you managed to get you should be proud of yourself.  New blocknet scam confirmed thread incoming

I often see posts that I know will be deleted in the official thread so I will repost here.

[Teka]

Looking back on this thread does bring some thoughts back.

Blocknet scam confirmed.. Nice synechist you got 80 btc for some random posting on a forum nice job you managed to get you should be proud of yourself.  New blocknet scam confirmed thread incoming

I often see posts that I know will be deleted in the official thread so I will repost here.

I'm quite interested in what he has to say. I'm not really surprised that he's bringing the fight out now though since he was recently kicked from the blocknet slack. I'm not in the business of starting arguments so I won't say whether I believe it was fair for him to be kicked out of that slack. Further, I still and always have believed in Dans coding ability.

[bhokor]

  make me feel bad this kind things, we should be growing like community and not being blocked by  internal fights, but it is a freedom place and we must respect it

[fedmahnkassad]

Can anybody point me to the most recent thread about XC, please?

[Coinraptor]

is there any reason why peopl call blocknet scam? I just heard accusatiosn but not reasoning behinf, cant anyone elaborate?

[fedmahnkassad]

is there any reason why peopl call blocknet scam? I just heard accusatiosn but not reasoning behinf, cant anyone elaborate?

I wouldn't call it scam, more like a project that did not live up to the hype. And of course people who were invested in it felt like they were scammed.

[JosNekoKopa]

I don't see any official update here? Any activity from the dev team?
This is one old thread, revived by bunch of newbies.
I see other topics are locked, i must admit nothing interesting here.
Where is community?

[cryptohunter2]

I don't see any official update here? Any activity from the dev team?
This is one old thread, revived by bunch of newbies.
I see other topics are locked, i must admit nothing interesting here.
Where is community?

they say visit their slack

tbf they are pretty much a bunch of wimps who couldnt take the dash xmr cheek on their threads,

plus hired some guy with zero tolerance  and zero charisma to be their spokesman on the board who choked most off posting there.

also they pretty much sold out their xc followers to fund their blocknet project which although is meant to be progressing and it might be since dans only hope of every doing anything in crypto again without huge backlash is to get blocknet to where he said he would

I held mine but im not holding my breath

I think though in future they will be brought to justice by the authorities if they just vanish after such a bogus blocknet sale. The gov seems to have a long memory when they smell a few bucks coming their way.

[JosNekoKopa]

I have feeling when they are left bitcointalk, they were lost..Only chance for some reviving is here i think. Slack is good must say but i don't like sects. All movement on Bittrex was just small manipulation.

[fedmahnkassad]

I have feeling when they are left bitcointalk, they were lost..Only chance for some reviving is here i think. Slack is good must say but i don't like sects. All movement on Bittrex was just small manipulation.

I believe something is brewing, but we shall see.

[skidog]

I have feeling when they are left bitcointalk, they were lost..Only chance for some reviving is here i think. Slack is good must say but i don't like sects. All movement on Bittrex was just small manipulation.

I believe something is brewing, but we shall see.

still waiting for it....

[Propulsion]

I have feeling when they are left bitcointalk, they were lost..Only chance for some reviving is here i think. Slack is good must say but i don't like sects. All movement on Bittrex was just small manipulation.

I believe something is brewing, but we shall see.

still waiting for it....

It's dead Jim

[illodin]

It's pumping.

[fedmahnkassad]

I have feeling when they are left bitcointalk, they were lost..Only chance for some reviving is here i think. Slack is good must say but i don't like sects. All movement on Bittrex was just small manipulation.

I believe something is brewing, but we shall see.

Looks like the old FedKassad was right...

[URSAY]

Can't understand why people are selling Block so cheap today...but thanks!

Perhaps they are doing some research and finding information like the info included in the op of this thread.

[FlappyFlapping]

FLAP FLAP FLAP.

oops.  wrong thread.

 

[URSAY]

That's why this scam hides in places where people can't ask important questions, nor express dissenting, ie non-cheerleading, opinions.

Polo should have never listed the XC and Blocknet scams to begin with.  Doing so brings the exchange additional technical risk from bad code and legal risk from facilitating the scam(s).

I love how we have functional software products for both XC and Blocknet and yet you cry scam, while all along we have been answering questions in slack and doing real user testing.


The only scam here is you coming here and making this statement when actual users have used the software.  Why don't you go crawl back into your hole and piss off

Another classy post from Dan Metcalf, your lead dev.  I was an actual user of your software so I had an insight into your business.  This is one of the reasons I started this thread.

[iCEBREAKER]

That's why this scam hides in places where people can't ask important questions, nor express dissenting, ie non-cheerleading, opinions.

Polo should have never listed the XC and Blocknet scams to begin with.  Doing so brings the exchange additional technical risk from bad code and legal risk from facilitating the scam(s).

I love how we have functional software products for both XC and Blocknet and yet you cry scam, while all along we have been answering questions in slack and doing real user testing.


The only scam here is you coming here and making this statement when actual users have used the software.  Why don't you go crawl back into your hole and piss off

Another classy post from Dan Metcalf, your lead dev.  I was an actual user of your software so I had an insight into your business.  This is one of the reasons I started this thread.

Yes, Dan is using the classy 'attack the attacker' scam defense strategy he learned from the DashHoles (before they signed their mutual non-aggression/co-scamming peace treaty).

As if questioning my credentials (funny coming from a scamcoin dev who has only been here since 2013) is an effective way to deflect criticism of XC/BN.

Given how much money Dan made from pumping and dumping XC, ostensibly to fund Blocknet development, it's entirely appropriate to ask what the hell he's been doing for the last 3 years.

Like MAID, he's blown through million$ in "dev funding" but has nothing to show for it.

But at least MAID raised their funding semi-honestly through an ICO, instead of betraying and throwing under the bus XC users, as did Dan.

Of course the Kool-Aid chugging True Believers will defend their Dear Leader, just as the DashHoles heap praise on Duffield for abandoning Darkcoin for Dash and then pivoting from Dash to Evolution.

LOL "SECURE OS?"  Scope creep much?   

[wooder]

That's why this scam hides in places where people can't ask important questions, nor express dissenting, ie non-cheerleading, opinions.

Polo should have never listed the XC and Blocknet scams to begin with.  Doing so brings the exchange additional technical risk from bad code and legal risk from facilitating the scam(s).

I love how we have functional software products for both XC and Blocknet and yet you cry scam, while all along we have been answering questions in slack and doing real user testing.


The only scam here is you coming here and making this statement when actual users have used the software.  Why don't you go crawl back into your hole and piss off

Thats the way the main dev should talk to people. I just followed the thread and it still feels to me this is vaporware. XC never provided the promissed functionality and was once traded for 1mBTC.
You provided a roadmap and just dropped it without any explaination and when someone asked about it, the story was told "that something will be released soon" ™.
I still hope no new bagholders get lured into this shitcoins. The current price of BLOCK also speaks for itself .

The price will fall tomorrow. After January 4, you will not be able to sell even at 3k. The coin dies.

Terrible they neglected these projects so much on here and let polo delist.

However, they have stuck around rather than totally vanish so lets hope they get some back bone and return here to the forums and stop hiding away on slack

I have bought some block back and a tiny amount of xc. Let's see what happens.

If they come back to the board with some results from months of hiding and start rebuilding the community on this board that will demonstrate to me block is not a scam. Same for xc do something with it.

If it were a full scam they would be gone by now.

Seems xc got a rough deal to me. Block can probably make a big come back if they are serious about it. XC well I hope so too although the silence on this board makes it look dead to most people.

Nobody has time for all the different slacks and other boards. Just come back to crypto capital here asap.

Lets see for 2017 the polo delist may have helped some get into block cheap or maybe produced another bunch of poor bagholders. Let;s see.

i would dump. no one with at least one brain cell will trust these scammers anymore. Just look at this: http://wiki.blocknet.co/index.php/Record_of_Accounts. The expenses of blocknet "tracked", last entry "2015-04-23 "

It took them more then two years to deliver nearly nothing with a stunning "Estimated BTC Total is 969.31" lured out at ITO times . Can't believe they will get away with this ...

And they will stay and make maybe another 1000BTC at the next (empty promise) pump/ITO ...

Don't say you haven't been warned

I totally agree with you that that does look very bad.

Thing is Dans full ID is known. A blatant scam of nearly 1000BTC would guarantee some serious issues for him and anyone else closely involved.

Lets hope there will be a ledger of expenses arriving soon with his return to the forum and some large developments the block xc community are going to go wild over.

Lets hear what they say when there is a return to the forum. 1000 BTC can;t just have vanished on nothing.

If there is no return here and nothing comes of this in a reasonable time then ........

The link in the wiki http://wiki.blocknet.co/index.php/Accountability_Measures - PROOF OF DEVELOPER is dead - but hey there is https://web.archive.org/web/20150108230748/http://www.coinssource.com/trust-index/blocknet-block

and this linkedin profile which reads like a scammer's profile - https://www.linkedin.com/in/dan-metcalf-b821a812

The last time i posted something in here it got deleted. let's see how it works out this time

I think this is my first kind act this year. People save your money and don't try to be the next-gen BLOCKNET/XC bagholders

And i think the ITO will have no consequnces for him, as he can always say he underestimated the time it needs to develop these apps (although nothing really happend the last few months)

taken form here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=829576.msg17377400#msg17377400

[a7594li]

I withdraw some coins on bter.com.but I don't receive it
What should I do?

[a7594li]

Is there any hope for the coin?
I'm really in a hurry

I have a lot of COINS

to Zero?

[karates]

Is there any hope for the coin?
I'm really in a hurry

I have a lot of COINS

to Zero?

check slack for updates and status:

xcurrency.slack.com

[Odeoke]

Is there any hope for the coin?
I'm really in a hurry

I have a lot of COINS

to Zero?

Official thread for XC : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1564157

You can trade this coin on a exchange it live there.

https://www.novaexchange.com/market/BTC_XC/

[denharsh]

Novaexchange not accepting new registrations.

[Cryp7oV]

@a7594li Are you looking to sell some OTC? Please PM me only looking for a small amount.

[Geekxplore]

What is XCurrency Coin?
XCurrency Coin offers the first blockchain to support P2P multi-user transactions.
Read More https://www.geekxplore.com/what-is-xcurrency-coin.html

[moskovskiy89]

sounds good project but there is no updates post yet,hope will update us guys,ill be following to it

[SeksiStarlord]

I want to buy a big amount of XC OTC, if there is someone who will sell some please reply or DM me! Is there an active slack, telegram or discord maybe?

[Demous]

I want to buy a big amount of XC OTC, if there is someone who will sell some please reply or DM me! Is there an active slack, telegram or discord maybe?

Telegram: https://t.me/XCurrencyXC
Discord: https://discord.gg/QpmRvb

[TeraBite]

I want to buy a big amount of XC OTC, if there is someone who will sell some please reply or DM me! Is there an active slack, telegram or discord maybe?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=82957
http://t.me/Blocknet

You should head to the Blocknet thread as that is side project from that team. I hope you can find some people in that channel who are willing to sell this coin. If you have some interesting news about the future of this coin than please share with us.