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June 29, 2016, 07:48:37 PM
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From what I take, If we achieve price of say $10 per FCT based on speculation - when the system goes live the price will have no reason to tank. Even with the yearly inflation. Look at ETH ....18 M coins per year created. So I believe the price will just be a lot more stable than something like ETH and may end up being a safer place for money down the road due to less volatility.

We have only 75k coins per month used. I believe once we get more information on who Factom is partnering with it will reflect.

However with that said...it will be much easier to get in on the "rise " before the system goes live...because then the price will become more stable.
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June 29, 2016, 08:05:07 PM
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From what I take, If we achieve price of say $10 per FCT based on speculation - when the system goes live the price will have no reason to tank. Even with the yearly inflation. Look at ETH ....18 M coins per year created. So I believe the price will just be a lot more stable than something like ETH and may end up being a safer place for money down the road due to less volatility.

We have only 75k coins per month used. I believe once we get more information on who Factom is partnering with it will reflect.

However with that said...it will be much easier to get in on the "rise " before the system goes live...because then the price will become more stable.

Yes, most likely true. The majority of speculators don't care about details anyway. That's what I always said that the market will overdrive good news. If there should be a demand for *whateverhighnumberofentries* I expect the price to bubble at least x 5 above that range and come back after it. At least over the next months. In very long term it could level out and stabilize and really reflect the value. And good in Factom is: That is possible. It's calculable. That is different to all projects I know of which is also a reason why I consider many as totally overvalued. 
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Ok so lets talk entries and use cases guys. Thank you to the poster above appreciate your insight. So theoretically for a smart city, how many entries would be used? - what kind of entries would one need to make for a city?


Also other use cases for factom? - what sort of things require high vol of EC / per month?

Also in the whitepaper it talks about Gaming applications can be built on the Factom chain...what sort of uses cases would we see here?
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June 29, 2016, 08:41:19 PM
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Ok so lets talk entries and use cases guys. Thank you to the poster above appreciate your insight. So theoretically for a smart city, how many entries would be used? - what kind of entries would one need to make for a city?


Also other use cases for factom? - what sort of things require high vol of EC / per month?

Also in the whitepaper it talks about Gaming applications can be built on the Factom chain...what sort of uses cases would we see here?

GAMING ON THE BLOCKCHAIN WITH PAUL SNOW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucZDDh2ljBw

There are tons of potential use cases from all kinds of companies to all kinds of applications for private persons like you or me - or Hillary Clinton with her mails. ;-) Trades on exchanges for example. Transactions of banks. Proof of ownership and proof of process for all kinds of arts, recording accountancy, recording data in laboratories, hospitals, etc.

It's really too much to list and most likely not even the Factom-team already knows all areas where Factom could be useful for. Safe to say is: The mountains of data in this world are growing fast, and there are a lot of problems to handle those data-mountains. I tried to learn about that subject because I hoped to find some statistics to get an overview. For me it was impossible to find hard numbers or at least it's impossible to find out how much demand a potential use case could mean for Factom. But: It's overwhelming.

This is a nice animation about big companies and the mountains of data they produce: http://pennystocks.la/internet-in-real-time/

I'm not sure how correct it is, but my guess is that it could be even more now. At the same time not everything would make sense for Factom. But if we would have such an animation for just one bank, or just the communication-data of a big company - ppl would be surprised how much data is produced in just one day in just one company.

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June 29, 2016, 08:45:51 PM
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SOURCE: https://www.reddit.com/r/factom/comments/47nyx0/thoughts_of_the_economic_model_of_factom_and/

Fixed Factoid payments make servers care about the future. Sure, this would work technically. As per the division of factoids, they currently have 8 decimal places. If this were so much of a problem, I do not think the community would mind adding more decimal places if the price is too high You are right in that it would have no effect on the spam resistance/cost of entries from the customer perspective. Eliminating inflation would be fantastic for speculators. However, speculators are not the primary reason for the system.

(In Bitcoin speculation is the most important component, because bitcoins are money. The entire system fails if bitcoin value drops too low, since mining will be too expensive and security fades. Factoids are not money, just a decentralized value transfer mechanism. If the value drops too low, it corrects. See this. )
The Factoids also are a reward to the servers to pay for engineering time, server, and bandwidth costs. The current market price of ~1$ roughly corresponds to a steady state prediction of about 800 gigabytes/year being added to the system or about 27 TPS.

Lets analyze how much the servers would be paid for this. On average, the 32 federated servers and 32 audit servers would split the $876000/year with less the $14000 each. This is before bitcoin fees, server and bandwidth bills are paid. It is not enough to pay for a sysadmin to manage it full time. You are proposing to lower this compensation, so speculators can have a bigger share of the pie? Your proposal is better for some at the expense of others.
Paying a fixed amount of factoids reduces uncertainty, which is bad if you have fixed costs. (Bitcoin miners join pools to get smaller payouts over time even when they have the same long term payoff probabilities. They do this because they have constant costs, irrespective of winning a block.)

More importantly, it lengthens time horizons on the part of the servers. Fixed payments tend to have them match the incentives of speculators. Speculators will collectively set the market price at an amount corresponding to future usage expectations. If speculators think the system will be widely used in the future, then the price will reflect that expectation. If speculators think usage will fall, that gets priced in much more quickly than real time fees. With fixed rewards, the speculators define how much the servers are compensated. The users actually burning more or fewer factoids would slowly drive the speculated price back to the correct value (see the negative feedback article).

It is in the server's best interest to maximize the long term perceived usage of the system. That comes from running a high reliability system which users feel comfortable building upon. The servers are incentivized to serve the current customers well enough to keep the system growing, to keep speculators happy. The servers also have aligned incentives with the users. The servers are answerable to the users of the system. They are voted in and out of authority by users of the system. This is an even stronger incentive to the short term.

Clip from IB times article:

Jack Lu, CTO of Factom, told IBTimes: "Factom is heading back to China this month to work on more official contracts and define the scope of current and future projects. Sensor data will be stored; so things like pollution sensors, traffic sensors, etc. Factom will have a full scope of what exactly in the next 6- 8 weeks. We will give you an update. We are building a custom "Factom China" in order to accommodate a vast amount of data we will be putting in."

Ye Yuping, executive VP & CTO of iSoftStone, said: "By applying Factom blockchain technology to our financial services, smart cities big data services, and construction of data exchange, we will drive more innovation in China. By leveraging the advantages of both parties, we look forward to seeing a brighter future. We are sure that the integration of Factom and smart cities will bring more development opportunities for both sides."

iSoftStone focuses on two major businesses: smart business, and information technology services. In its smart business sector, iSoftStone has launched strategic planning for more than 80 smart cities around the country; in its IT services sector, the company has accumulated extensive experiences in more than ten industries, including telecommunication, banking, insurance, power utilities, transportation, manufacturing and retail, it said.

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http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/factom-signs-smart-city-deal-roll-out-blockchain-verification-across-china-1542059
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June 29, 2016, 09:44:47 PM
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Factom is one of the only currencies with a use case right now as well. Does what it is supposed to do. It is not full of holes like ETH. However I do still believe in ETH. It will take time. But if you stare at Coinmarketcap long enough....take a look at the top 10...then look at what Factom is doing. When FCT gets some bigger investors I suspect our valuation will rise.


From what I gather from my studies....the speculative aspect of FCT is only one aspect of the coin. That is what makes it different. It is also why there is confusion on the price. Yes the price can rise, however it does not rely on us speculators only. It will have a price regardless as long as their system is being used. We will only drive it further. The system will also adjust itself as the price rises so it will then stabilize.

Also they are on the radar of big giants like ETH was:


https://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/49632.wss
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June 30, 2016, 12:25:32 AM
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There are tons of potential use cases from all kinds of companies to all kinds of applications for private persons like you or me - or Hillary Clinton with her mails. ;-) Trades on exchanges for example. Transactions of banks. Proof of ownership and proof of process for all kinds of arts, recording accountancy, recording data in laboratories, hospitals, etc.

Yes, I agree. Anywhere a hash can be used to verify data integrity, Factom can be used. In fact, it could be used for good ol' software, come to think of it, to ensure that a careful malicious malware guy didn't change the hash to match the changes in the program.

Speaking of hashes: anyone here know how Factom hashes the data? Is it plain ol' SHA-256?






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June 30, 2016, 03:34:25 AM
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Got a feeling M2 is very soon now  Grin
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June 30, 2016, 04:03:54 AM
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If 0.0025 can pop we could see a huge rise over the next 10 days similar to what happened on the 1st of march to the 15th of march...charts are looking very similar...also the faith in this coin is much higher than before so much more reason to hold.
We could see 500k in the next month or so if we are lucky. Would be a nice floor to start M2.
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June 30, 2016, 06:12:19 AM
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Lots of positive news for FTC recently, good stuff. Just to show I m no troll and I dont think FCT s bad. Still, M2 detailed news or some kind of ETA would be really, really nice.

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June 30, 2016, 06:23:52 AM
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this project is awesome
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June 30, 2016, 09:34:55 AM
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(...) Will the use of FCT drive the price higher?  (...)

Of course. Just one example, without saying that it's a realistic scenario for the next months:

If there would be 1 billion Entries per month, it would cost:

1,000,000,000 * $  0.001 (costs per entry) = $ 1,000,000  

That means: It would need Factoids for $ 1 Mio  per month to convert into Entry Credits. At the current price that would be 909,090 Factoids which would be burned each month while there are only 73,000 new created Factoids each month.

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Could someone explain in detail how EC's are beeing created out of factoids? Its very mystical for me.

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June 30, 2016, 09:45:06 AM
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(...) Will the use of FCT drive the price higher?  (...)

Of course. Just one example, without saying that it's a realistic scenario for the next months:

If there would be 1 billion Entries per month, it would cost:

1,000,000,000 * $  0.001 (costs per entry) = $ 1,000,000  

That means: It would need Factoids for $ 1 Mio  per month to convert into Entry Credits. At the current price that would be 909,090 Factoids which would be burned each month while there are only 73,000 new created Factoids each month.

.......

Could someone explain in detail how EC's are beeing created out of factoids? Its very mystical for me.

I can't give a technical explanation, but practically it's just a transaction: Factoids to an EC-address.
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June 30, 2016, 10:14:43 AM
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Exactly as I have expected, short sellers stop every serious advance. Too many bots around.

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Exactly as I have expected, short sellers stop every serious advance. Too many bots around.

Bitcoin-price! It jumped from $640 to nearly $660. But yes, there are a lot of shorters. Interest rate is very high. But, price holds good against BTC and shorters.
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June 30, 2016, 10:55:05 AM
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Hi Tempus,

no i would be interested in an explanation how EC's are created out of factoms. With detail i did not mean super technical step by step like: "go to the Cli comand type in"... but more in procedural sense...

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June 30, 2016, 11:02:43 AM
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Hi all,

I am just starting to research FCT a little more. What are cool projects that FCT does right now? What is coming up soon?

Your input is appreciated.


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June 30, 2016, 11:03:04 AM
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Hi Tempus,

no i would be interested in an explanation how EC's are created out of factoms. With detail i did not mean super technical step by step like: "go to the Cli comand type in"... but more in procedural sense...

Not sure if I understand you correctly, but maybe this helps:

https://www.factom.com/howto/convert-factoids-to-entry-credits/

About the GUI:

https://www.factom.com/howto/factoid-wallet-gui-guide/
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Hi all,

I am just starting to research FCT a little more. What are cool projects that FCT does right now? What is coming up soon?

Your input is appreciated.




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Hi all,

I am just starting to research FCT a little more. What are cool projects that FCT does right now? What is coming up soon?

Your input is appreciated.



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