GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[WaffleMaster]

I am actively researching more about the red flags, more about the issue that caused the breach on PayBase and will have a follow up.

I dare you to post this on your website. Or do you ignore picture evidence as well? I'm sure we have some archived proof that you can look into, but I think we both know that won't really make a difference, will it? You only make articles based on lies when it comes to GAW.

[ManeBjorn]

I am already in touch with an expert about the security breach to follow up on the article.
I also am going to speaking to community members who are not happy with GAW.  I do not take money for my articles no need to raise funds.
Things will be covered.  

I just report stuff as I see it.
Coinfire should contact GAW directly as well there is usually someone who will talk with a reporter asking questions.
If I had not covered the breach you would complain I ignored it.  
Does not matter either way we just did a report on the falling XPY price today as well.  It is all news and needs to be reported the good and the bad.

No you saw the discussion here and the detailed ramifications. Coinfire was on it and you responded with their excuse for it there after.

I contacted Joe directly when I saw the issue.  I was not able to alter anything in the screen I saw.  A little while later it was all working as it was supposed too.  I had even said that it was bad emails and such were seen but nothing was altered.  Coinbase and some others have had issues similar to this in the past as well.
It was a bad issue for GAW that is why I asked about it and published what their statement was as well as what happened.
It was not a good news article.

I am not paid by GAW nor have..I been.

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How did you manage to get such an immediate [inaccurate] response from Gaw Miners about their flaw yesterday? What was it like within an hour of Coinfire? Why did you not bother fact checking their response?

1. the pages most certainly were not 'static' you could fire off an SMS to the registered no.
2. nothing lost nothing changeable, as was explained here as well as by coinfire, the damage is quite larger than that. a mere threatening email to the registered account holder suggesting revealing his balance in 'anonymous' cryptocurrency can yield wonders to those inclined.

You fired off their reply in an instance.

Why is that?

Why not post links to this thread or other threads like many "NEWS" sites have done? Or the questions that have been asked.
How about an interview with someone like our fearless leader suchmoon? I am sure many of us would get together and make some funds available to pay you for your time.
I also think you know the truth about the 8+ hours it took for gaw to fix the "cloud" problem that exposed peoples emails and how much coins they had in their accounts. You stated only emails were exposed... Do you not call this a breach?
And volder keep your 20-25 btc on the buy order (its been bouncing around like a dirty whore for days, the 20+ btc), I want to see it get eaten up, stop playing chicken
The 13 btc sell owned it.

[T0urist]

Red flags and broken promises are going to be addressed.  I have not ignored that.  I have reported bad news such as the breach.

Again the Title is "GAW Claims" not me not the site the claim is on them and I wanted that clear.  If you choose to read it as me absolving them of the issue that is fine but that is not the intention.

I do not work for GAW and have not.  If I could work I would be back to running networks and mining bitcoin.

I read the article you published about the data breach and thought it was a PR job when I read it the first time. Your claim here is that no one spoke to GAW and you wanted to get their side of the story. So, I went back and just read your questions without GAW's responses. In my opinion, your questions are very leading and it seems you are spinning the story a certain way. Especially when you editorialize with comments like "So while there was a glitch it was not a massive data leak or a breach. GAWMiners responded quickly to the error and cleared up the issue" what you are doing is releasing a PR piece for GAW. That's fine but call it what it is. If the goal was to get GAW's side of the story, just let them say their piece without your own comments. For the record, when you can see customer PII such as personal email addresses and account balances, even if it's a static picture, it's a data breach.

If you really wanted to find out what happened, perhaps you could have talked to CloudFlare to find out how things like this happen. I'm going to guess it's improper programming. Especially when a coding change by GAW seems to fix the issue. However, I'm not positive because I haven't spoken to CloudFlare to get their side or reviewed any of their best practices material (if they have it).

As an aside, the GAW response to this issue reminds me of a software engineer I had on a project once who asked me to open a trouble ticket with Sun. There was obviously a bug in their CPU since his code didn't work. I told him to check his java libs and dependencies but he insisted that the error was with Sun's CPU and he had even isolated the problem. I didn't open the ticket. He finally figured out there was a lib mismatch.

a news site should always question the community for proof not the company with vested interested. when the apple photo leak from icloud happened apple denied an issue ... of course they would. we the community actually logged in to other accounts. for a news site to ignore that is pathetic!

i ask ccn this and manebjorn does seeing peoples address and personal details justify a data breach/leak? its a simple question. to answer yes and not report that as happening is to pull the wool over viewers eyes.

it's like isis murdering people and reporting only their side to justify it!

[popejubs]

This made me chuckle given the current topic of conversation (nothing personal Scott): https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-to-launch-paycoin-media-tour/

"GAWMiner’s ICO is going huge and public in a big way. With interviews with CNN, Fortune Magazine, The Wall Street Journal and others soon to hit the airwaves Josh is getting the news out about Bitcoin and Paycoin while working for greater acceptance of Cryptocurrencies. If GAWMiners is a scam, the worst thing you could do is draw the type of attention they are now getting. We are looking forward to the next stage in the ICO and CCN will bring you the news and info as we get it directly from the source, Josh Garza the CEO of GAWMiners."

[WaffleMaster]

This made me chuckle given the current topic of conversation (nothing personal Scott): https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-to-launch-paycoin-media-tour/

"GAWMiner’s ICO is going huge and public in a big way. With interviews with CNN, Fortune Magazine, The Wall Street Journal and others soon to hit the airwaves Josh is getting the news out about Bitcoin and Paycoin while working for greater acceptance of Cryptocurrencies. If GAWMiners is a scam, the worst thing you could do is draw the type of attention they are now getting. We are looking forward to the next stage in the ICO and CCN will bring you the news and info as we get it directly from the source, Josh Garza the CEO of GAWMiners."

I am actively researching more about the red flags, more about the issue that caused the breach on PayBase and will have a follow up.

I dare you to post this on your website. Or do you ignore picture evidence as well? I'm sure we have some archived proof that you can look into, but I think we both know that won't really make a difference, will it? You only make articles based on lies when it comes to GAW.

[Phildo]

When are you going to change the line that it wasn't a massive data leak or breach?

[cazalla]

Hey shit cunt, what happened to you asking BitFury about the ASIC Garza said they were developing for him. Remember that? You said you would ask and then when I reminded you on twitter, you straight up blocked me.

[bitgeek]

This made me chuckle given the current topic of conversation (nothing personal Scott): https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-to-launch-paycoin-media-tour/

"GAWMiner’s ICO is going huge and public in a big way. With interviews with CNN, Fortune Magazine, The Wall Street Journal and others soon to hit the airwaves Josh is getting the news out about Bitcoin and Paycoin while working for greater acceptance of Cryptocurrencies. If GAWMiners is a scam, the worst thing you could do is draw the type of attention they are now getting. We are looking forward to the next stage in the ICO and CCN will bring you the news and info as we get it directly from the source, Josh Garza the CEO of GAWMiners."

Congratulations on making a new account, welcome to the forum 

[popejubs]

This made me chuckle given the current topic of conversation (nothing personal Scott): https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-to-launch-paycoin-media-tour/

"GAWMiner’s ICO is going huge and public in a big way. With interviews with CNN, Fortune Magazine, The Wall Street Journal and others soon to hit the airwaves Josh is getting the news out about Bitcoin and Paycoin while working for greater acceptance of Cryptocurrencies. If GAWMiners is a scam, the worst thing you could do is draw the type of attention they are now getting. We are looking forward to the next stage in the ICO and CCN will bring you the news and info as we get it directly from the source, Josh Garza the CEO of GAWMiners."

Congratulations on making a new account, welcome to the forum 

Just glad to be part of the family

[geegaw]

BOO IN THE NAME OF JESUS I COMMAND YOU TO STAND

Josh Garza CEO of GAWMiners and Scott Fargo Head of Mining News CCN

i'm so crippled and cannot get up out of bed help me help me


BOO IN THE NAME OF JESUS I COMMAND YOU TO STAND

[bitgeek]

Hey shit cunt, what happened to you asking BitFury about the ASIC Garza said they were developing for him. Remember that? You said you would ask and then when I reminded you on twitter, you straight up blocked me.

If somebody blocked you, troll, we should all buy him a beer. As for the cunt, it's a shame you came out of one.

[ManeBjorn]

I am working on that and will have something before too long.

I do not have the power to ban anyone on CCN I am not an admin if someone is banned that is not me.

The funds that were given was done by CryptoCause who is not part of GAW and Josh does not give me money.
I am actively researching more about the red flags, more about the issue that caused the breach on PayBase and will have a follow up.

I have seen people go off like anyone reporting on GAW that is not totally negative means they are paid.  Right from coindesk, coinbrief, techcrunch WSJ to others it makes no sense that people will say we are all paid off because we reported on what they were doing.  None of us are being paid off.

There were no calls that BitFury owns me when I interview them or Spondoolies although I got hate for that when they first announced because people called them a scam.  No one said that because I wrote about ASICMiners I am not somehow FriedCats shill.
GAW does not own the news sites. I do not get paid by them and they are not perfect we will cover it.

Their Hashlets were their cloud mining system.  Genesis has theirs, Zeus and others theirs.  LTCGear as well.  That is the way they all market their products for better or worse.  We are seeing some of them get shaken out now.  We will see what happens with GAW it could be good and it could be bad.  

I do not censor comments anywhere I do not have the power nor would I use it.
I will ignore abusive comments leveled at me though and I have.

Red flags and broken promises are going to be addressed.  I have not ignored that.  I have reported bad news such as the breach.

Again the Title is "GAW Claims" not me not the site the claim is on them and I wanted that clear.  If you choose to read it as me absolving them of the issue that is fine but that is not the intention.

I do not work for GAW and have not.  If I could work I would be back to running networks and mining bitcoin.

So news sites should not cover a companies release of a product because some people do not like them?  

Reporting on a product people don't like = Perfectly fine
Reporting none of the red flags/broken promises/bad news = bad
Censoring any negative comments = bad

I will also say that the title is GAW Claims not me claiming it.
I have no once said it is not a big deal peoples email addresses and balances were seen.  It was and is a bad thing.

Do you work for GAW or are you a journalist?

I think you've basically admitted private data was lost, so why not do the honest thing and fix the title?

Scott are you fucking kidding us all.

I've seen you countlessly ban people from Crypto Coins News that say accurate things about GAWMiners for example how much they scream Ponzi Scam.

Then you also do everything in your power to take money for your Surgery from Josh Garza when the money he's giving you is the complete definition of Fraudulent money.

He made it out like Hashlets were worth something. That Hashlets were miners.

They never were.

They were never worth anything the entire concept is just his fucked up imagination making people believe things that are the complete opposite of what the Cryptocurrency Community as a whole's values are.

you should post a news article covering the concerns of the other side of the fence to keep it impartial. people tend to think ccn has no credibility on GAW being a scam as their paid banners cover the ccn sites. news should be about impartial sides else credibility fails. once credibility is gone viewers drop and advertising goes down.

[puwaha]

Warning - the following is my theory only: I think they never had any serious profits, either due to mismanagement or some other issues. Especially since mid-October they have been reluctant to spend ANY real money on anything. E.g. they claimed $50 million marketing budget, $100 million floor, "teams" and "companies" working on the coin and paybase etc, while the actual results show the opposite. Cheap coin clone, some ads on obscure "news" sites, barely functional Paybase and of course no floor now. They seemed to be trying to pump the coin on hype alone, and perhaps they put a few hundred BTCs on Paybase for 5 minutes at launch. I doubt they blew 100k or 500k or whatever on Cryptsy, those spikes could have been someone else's arbitrage bots fooled into buying.

There is obviously no way to prove this, but there are just so many red flags pointing in that direction that it would be one hell of a coincidence. Like the refusal to sell any of their own products for XPY.

Ok... but to what end?

I think it's a pre-order/pre-sell kind of deal that never works out as intended due to incompetence. They wanted a big mining farm, but had no cash - sold a bunch of hashlets and purchased Bitmain hardware. BTC mining profitability went down, they decided to create a coin and a payment processor - sold a bunch of Hashstakers and debt obligations (hashpoints) to finance that but can't get it off the ground. Wait for the next big idea and some kind of instrument to finance it.

But this only serves to kick the can down the road.  At some point they are going to have to fulfill their obligation.  They delayed BTC payouts to push people into stakers and paycoins... that just pushes the debt from one form to the next.  Unless they plan on hiding funds and then declaring bankruptcy, I don't see how any of this can work out as a nefarious scheme.  You can't just hide funds and declare bankruptcy.  The money can be traced.

Some others here think that it's an elaborate scam pretending to be incompetent to avoid culpability.

Yes, this is just setting up jail time... if this opinion of the others is true.

[ManeBjorn]

Our recent PayCoin report.
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/paycoin-price-plunges-ring-new-year/
The info in your image will be in a future article.

This made me chuckle given the current topic of conversation (nothing personal Scott): https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/josh-garza-to-launch-paycoin-media-tour/

"GAWMiner’s ICO is going huge and public in a big way. With interviews with CNN, Fortune Magazine, The Wall Street Journal and others soon to hit the airwaves Josh is getting the news out about Bitcoin and Paycoin while working for greater acceptance of Cryptocurrencies. If GAWMiners is a scam, the worst thing you could do is draw the type of attention they are now getting. We are looking forward to the next stage in the ICO and CCN will bring you the news and info as we get it directly from the source, Josh Garza the CEO of GAWMiners."

I am actively researching more about the red flags, more about the issue that caused the breach on PayBase and will have a follow up.

I dare you to post this on your website. Or do you ignore picture evidence as well? I'm sure we have some archived proof that you can look into, but I think we both know that won't really make a difference, will it? You only make articles based on lies when it comes to GAW.

[ManeBjorn]

Noted and I will keep trying to do better.

Red flags and broken promises are going to be addressed.  I have not ignored that.  I have reported bad news such as the breach.

Again the Title is "GAW Claims" not me not the site the claim is on them and I wanted that clear.  If you choose to read it as me absolving them of the issue that is fine but that is not the intention.

I do not work for GAW and have not.  If I could work I would be back to running networks and mining bitcoin.

I read the article you published about the data breach and thought it was a PR job when I read it the first time. Your claim here is that no one spoke to GAW and you wanted to get their side of the story. So, I went back and just read your questions without GAW's responses. In my opinion, your questions are very leading and it seems you are spinning the story a certain way. Especially when you editorialize with comments like "So while there was a glitch it was not a massive data leak or a breach. GAWMiners responded quickly to the error and cleared up the issue" what you are doing is releasing a PR piece for GAW. That's fine but call it what it is. If the goal was to get GAW's side of the story, just let them say their piece without your own comments. For the record, when you can see customer PII such as personal email addresses and account balances, even if it's a static picture, it's a data breach.

If you really wanted to find out what happened, perhaps you could have talked to CloudFlare to find out how things like this happen. I'm going to guess it's improper programming. Especially when a coding change by GAW seems to fix the issue. However, I'm not positive because I haven't spoken to CloudFlare to get their side or reviewed any of their best practices material (if they have it).

As an aside, the GAW response to this issue reminds me of a software engineer I had on a project once who asked me to open a trouble ticket with Sun. There was obviously a bug in their CPU since his code didn't work. I told him to check his java libs and dependencies but he insisted that the error was with Sun's CPU and he had even isolated the problem. I didn't open the ticket. He finally figured out there was a lib mismatch.

[buckrogers]

That's right bigmouth run back to your cocoon at hashtalk.

"Contribute" my ass.

Take that lying cripple beggar with you. Please.

Ok lets start this off with some simple math ...ready folks:

here is idiot #1

[WaffleMaster]

Our recent PayCoin report.
https://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/paycoin-price-plunges-ring-new-year/
The info in your image will be in a future article.

Very well! I know a lot of people's opinion of your reporting would be greatly increased by such a thing. You will get a backlash from a lot of HashTalk people (they like to post links of any article even slightly going against their beliefs), but this subject is polarized and we've all already encountered that.

[buckrogers]

That's right bigmouth run back to your cocoon at hashtalk.

"Contribute" my ass.

Take that lying cripple beggar with you. Please.

hey idiot #1 do you feel proud of yourself for calling someone with a disability a cripple beggar? shame on you and I hope you never have to go through any sort of pain in life (yea right) thats a terrible thing to say and you should be banned for just that alone.

[geegaw]

puwaha

less complicated.

It is cute to argue the minutiae as though it were some broken pottery from a pyramid from Giza.

But if the map pointing to you it in the first place is a facsimile of a copy of a facsimile via the Philippines where 'x' marks the spot of gold.

What in the world is one supposed to do?

[puwaha]

I am pretty sure I am going to get banned today. I just can’t handle everyone letting them off the hook on this.

I hear you... and I've almost pulled that trigger as well.  But I'm trying to ask questions a little more subtlety... wolf in sheep's clothing.
 

There have been many quotes of Josh saying paybase will buy coins at $20. If they would have done this I would still have kept most of my coins. If they showed they could keep the currency stable I would hold the coin because I want a stable coin.

Exactly my beef.

I don’t keep large amount of BTC because I do not want to be exposed to fluctuations in prices. So if they could have fixed that I would have held their damn coin. Now I am posed along with many others. They are further just isolating themselves form the rest of crypto