GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io ION ionomy. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :)

[Phildo]

A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude):




Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals.

You seriously never go outside do you?    Really the amount of time you spend here is well passed obsessive.   The amount of post and hours of the day are pretty much almost 24/7.  Its down right just pathetic at this point.   Seriously,  Go outside See the Sun.  Meet a Girl,  Something but for fuck sake Get a Life,  24/7 on the pc cant be good for your health.  I worried about you!  


Toodles.  Look forward to my picture

Hows that laptop doing you got for shilling from Josh Coinstand?

What was that about me being better then you at the internet & gaining something from spending 1/16th of the time you do online?

Ohh  your got it wrong.

It was

1x Laptop
2x Xbox Ones
1 Amd CPU
1 Touchscreen monitor
2x Xbox One controlers
1 Air Mouse
Yup,  Was more then 1k in stuff since I gave them honesty about what i actually received then still pushed my extra orders through.

Total cost to me... About $37.00  Wait nvm Free because I ROI'd 3 months before coinstand existed.    

Now lets focus on my Ponzi that is now 100% Paid & how im going to jail.... That was a fun game!

That is a lot of gifts to declare on your tax return. Or are you going to claim it as income, which is probably more accurate?

They were purchases.... You already know this from my post on HT where it shows my order list.   Sorry to disappoint.  PS,  I get a hefty tax return every year.  Probably because I use Line 6 on my W4 and give a extra $40.00 every week to the man...... Just in case!


I'm slightly more intelligent then you give me credit for.  

But only slightly!

When i think of intelligent the first thing I think of is giving the government an extra $40 interest free loan every week. That's what all the smart people do.

[TheMage]

I do not care about the semantics games you want to play. You are suggesting something that makes no sense unless you have some monetary interest in doing so. That is all I need to know.

Monetary interest? Are you are Josh's payroll now too?


I have zero interest in getting paid to help, I really don't care what is done with the suggestions I make. You are the one making a mountain out of a molehill for whatever reason (I mean aside at this point of just trolling me which is fairly obvious).

You insist that you wish to "fix" Paycoin out of the goodness of your heart and say that it has nothing to do with money. My father told me long ago "If someone tells you something is "not about the money", you can bet your ass it's about the money". This has proven to to be sage advice. Now you are starting to sound exactly like the paid GAW shills being exposed in these pages, accusing me of being what you most likely are.

Yes, thats exactly what I am saying. Whats wrong with helping people? Has it occurred to you that not everyone is motivated by money? I do not get paid a penny for any of the work I do with Litecoin or anything else. Nor do really own any crypto at this point (not that I had much to begin with). I had some wrapped up in an investment that looks to be turning into a scam and the last bit I had I donated to Seansoutpost.


I know its really hard to believe, but money is not a motivational factor for everyone. Some of us have a passion for what we do and love doing it. If you dont believe me, feel free to ask people who really do know me if I am the type thats is financially motivated.

 Here is what I know:

A: You have a deep knowledge of crypto and have been intimately involved with it for a long time, particularly Litecoin.
B: The suggestions you have for "fixing" Paycoin are completely absurd and will without a doubt inflict massive damage to crypto, which is what you claim to be trying to prevent.
C: You say that you have no monetary interest in "fixing" Paycoin.

Those three things do not add up, plain and simple. I think you are trying to play me for a fool by saying that they do.

Fair enough, we can discuss this.

1. You are correct on this, although I've never hid the fact that im not a dev (I've even mentioned this here). I started Nov/Dec 2013, with what was called the second wave of adoption.
2. I dont see it this way at all, can you please explain to me (and im being very serious here) what is wrong with blacklisting prime controllers? The damage that I talk about is purely from a sociological standpoint, and I can even elaborate on this if you want me too. I did a podcast last night and even talked about this specifically.
3. I don't, whats hard to believe in that? Again I ask very seriously what do you think I am going to do beyond what I have done/suggested? Do you think im going to fix the code for them? Because im not (nor do I have the proper skill set to do so).

I dont play anyone for a fool.

[Paul Revere]

I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.

[bumpershot]

So because GAW never established any checks and balances, any corporate polices on behavior everyone got to do what ever they liked.  Customer Support did not exist because there was no policy for it.  It was up to the individual support rep to decide how they treat a customer unless they are told by management to fuck em.

Well, they were able to sniff out that taylan unal employee that stole from them, so that's some kind of oversight, at least.

[Hellsgremlin]

A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude):




Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals.

You seriously never go outside do you?    Really the amount of time you spend here is well passed obsessive.   The amount of post and hours of the day are pretty much almost 24/7.  Its down right just pathetic at this point.   Seriously,  Go outside See the Sun.  Meet a Girl,  Something but for fuck sake Get a Life,  24/7 on the pc cant be good for your health.  I worried about you!  


Toodles.  Look forward to my picture

Hows that laptop doing you got for shilling from Josh Coinstand?

What was that about me being better then you at the internet & gaining something from spending 1/16th of the time you do online?

Ohh  your got it wrong.

It was

1x Laptop
2x Xbox Ones
1 Amd CPU
1 Touchscreen monitor
2x Xbox One controlers
1 Air Mouse
Yup,  Was more then 1k in stuff since I gave them honesty about what i actually received then still pushed my extra orders through.

Total cost to me... About $37.00  Wait nvm Free because I ROI'd 3 months before coinstand existed.    

Now lets focus on my Ponzi that is now 100% Paid & how im going to jail.... That was a fun game!

That is a lot of gifts to declare on your tax return. Or are you going to claim it as income, which is probably more accurate?

They were purchases.... You already know this from my post on HT where it shows my order list.   Sorry to disappoint.  PS,  I get a hefty tax return every year.  Probably because I use Line 6 on my W4 and give a extra $40.00 every week to the man...... Just in case!


I'm slightly more intelligent then you give me credit for.  

But only slightly!

When i think of intelligent the first thing I think of is giving the government an extra $40 interest free loan every week. That's what all the smart people do.

I actually anticipated this comment about giving the interest free loan to the government.   That's why I added "but only slightly"  Alternatively I've never had to pay even when my work messed up and had me claiming 5 dependents every week.  Peace of mind is well worth the 37.00 (if that) i would have gained in interest.  IMO
I guess Im just a Patriot LOL.  

[adipurnama]

each thread that asks $ 20 they immediately lock the thread
really cute
josh crap that used to be made Xpy $ 20 nonsense
and hoax josh only
ya so ..... josh imposter braggart and a big mouth

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36833/what-happened-to-the-20-floor/7

[Paul Revere]

A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude):




Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals.

You seriously never go outside do you?    Really the amount of time you spend here is well passed obsessive.   The amount of post and hours of the day are pretty much almost 24/7.  Its down right just pathetic at this point.   Seriously,  Go outside See the Sun.  Meet a Girl,  Something but for fuck sake Get a Life,  24/7 on the pc cant be good for your health.  I worried about you!  


Toodles.  Look forward to my picture

Hows that laptop doing you got for shilling from Josh Coinstand?

What was that about me being better then you at the internet & gaining something from spending 1/16th of the time you do online?

Ohh  your got it wrong.

It was

1x Laptop
2x Xbox Ones
1 Amd CPU
1 Touchscreen monitor
2x Xbox One controlers
1 Air Mouse
Yup,  Was more then 1k in stuff since I gave them honesty about what i actually received then still pushed my extra orders through.

Total cost to me... About $37.00  Wait nvm Free because I ROI'd 3 months before coinstand existed.    

Now lets focus on my Ponzi that is now 100% Paid & how im going to jail.... That was a fun game!

That is a lot of gifts to declare on your tax return. Or are you going to claim it as income, which is probably more accurate?

They were purchases.... You already know this from my post on HT where it shows my order list.   Sorry to disappoint.  PS,  I get a hefty tax return every year.  Probably because I use Line 6 on my W4 and give a extra $40.00 every week to the man...... Just in case!


I'm slightly more intelligent then you give me credit for.  

But only slightly!

When i think of intelligent the first thing I think of is giving the government an extra $40 interest free loan every week. That's what all the smart people do.

I actually anticipated this comment about giving the interest free loan to the government.   That's why I added "but only slightly"  Alternatively I've never had to pay even when my work messed up and had me claiming 5 dependents every week.  Peace of mind is well worth the 37.00 (if that) i would have gained in interest.  IMO
I guess Im just a Patriot LOL.  

Incorrect. You have received items of value. There are several ways in which you can deal with this, depending on how it came about. First, you could claim capital gains on the difference between what you paid for the XPY and what you were credited for them at this purchase.  Second, you could claim the items as a gift. Third, you could claim that the items were income for services rendered to Homero. There may be other ways of claiming this income as well, but I have no doubt that you do actually have to claim it one way or another, which I am sure you are ok with, seeing as how you are such a patriot and such.

[Buckeye2015]

each thread that asks $ 20 they immediately lock the thread
really cute
josh crap that used to be made Xpy $ 20 nonsense
and hoax josh only
ya so ..... josh imposter braggart and a big mouth

https://hashtalk.org/topic/36833/what-happened-to-the-20-floor/7

In all fairness... that dead horse is pretty much pâté by now... not sure how much more you could beat it if you tried.

[Hellsgremlin]

A bit of humor here where the scumbags thought that Suchmoon might be the "woman" Stacey Tenen (Rootdude):




Something else that is proven by these Emails is that Luke Rusten is not the nice innocent guy everyone seems to believe. He is actively and gleefully trying to hunt down a customer (Suchmoon) so that he can be criminally harassed, or worse. Fuck him, he is as big of a piece of trash as the rest of those criminals.

You seriously never go outside do you?    Really the amount of time you spend here is well passed obsessive.   The amount of post and hours of the day are pretty much almost 24/7.  Its down right just pathetic at this point.   Seriously,  Go outside See the Sun.  Meet a Girl,  Something but for fuck sake Get a Life,  24/7 on the pc cant be good for your health.  I worried about you!  


Toodles.  Look forward to my picture

Hows that laptop doing you got for shilling from Josh Coinstand?

What was that about me being better then you at the internet & gaining something from spending 1/16th of the time you do online?

Ohh  your got it wrong.

It was

1x Laptop
2x Xbox Ones
1 Amd CPU
1 Touchscreen monitor
2x Xbox One controlers
1 Air Mouse
Yup,  Was more then 1k in stuff since I gave them honesty about what i actually received then still pushed my extra orders through.

Total cost to me... About $37.00  Wait nvm Free because I ROI'd 3 months before coinstand existed.    

Now lets focus on my Ponzi that is now 100% Paid & how im going to jail.... That was a fun game!

That is a lot of gifts to declare on your tax return. Or are you going to claim it as income, which is probably more accurate?

They were purchases.... You already know this from my post on HT where it shows my order list.   Sorry to disappoint.  PS,  I get a hefty tax return every year.  Probably because I use Line 6 on my W4 and give a extra $40.00 every week to the man...... Just in case!


I'm slightly more intelligent then you give me credit for.  

But only slightly!

When i think of intelligent the first thing I think of is giving the government an extra $40 interest free loan every week. That's what all the smart people do.

I actually anticipated this comment about giving the interest free loan to the government.   That's why I added "but only slightly"  Alternatively I've never had to pay even when my work messed up and had me claiming 5 dependents every week.  Peace of mind is well worth the 37.00 (if that) i would have gained in interest.  IMO
I guess Im just a Patriot LOL.  

Incorrect. You have received items of value. There are several ways in which you can deal with this, depending on how it came about. First, you could claim capital gains on the difference between what you paid for the XPY and what you were credited for them at this purchase.  Second, you could claim the items as a gift. Third, you could claim that the items were income for services rendered to Homero. There may be other ways of claiming this income as well, but I have no doubt that you do actually have to claim it one way or another, which I am sure you are ok with, seeing as how you are such a patriot and such.

Ill actually take that as advice.  So what your saying is I might have to pay about 400.00 for 1400.00 in stuff & it will come out of money I've already paid.   Still seems like a win
( im still unsure because there is no contractual or Verbal agreement that it was a service unless beta testing is now considered such)

Here's my point in all of this.   Clearly there's more then meets the eye with josh & Gaw.  But witch hunting anyone who wants to do something positive for the coin is just sabotage.   FFS did I just see u accuse Themage of being on the payroll?   one of the first people that actually mattered to speak out negatively about garza and gaw?   is it possible for you to belive in your mind that not everyone is out to rob everyone.... Even those with skeletons in their closets?  I'm confident you have some of your own.....

[TheMage]

I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.

IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this.


Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this.


BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin.


Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues.

Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth.

Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable).



This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums.

[Paul Revere]

I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.

IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this.


Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this.


BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin.


Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues.

Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth.

Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable).



This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums.

First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain  why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple.

[TheMage]

I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.

IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this.


Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this.


BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin.


Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues.

Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth.

Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable).



This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums.

First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain  why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple.

The minute that a company is able to produce money out of thin air and assign themselves that money is the moment where I believe its fair to take it away from them. Especially since they can continue printing money out of thin air. The FED is a private institution and has done this for decades, so do you believe that is fair of them? This is literally the EXACT reason why cryptos was created! To get away from this BS.

Lets agree to disagree and be done with it. Obviously we aren't going to agree to each others for a lack of a better term morals (maybe ideas? I'm having difficulty trying to place a word here). I think at this point we are arguing philosophy more than anything else, which is fine, but if you want to lets just state that up front.

[Paul Revere]

I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.

IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this.


Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this.


BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin.


Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues.

Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth.

Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable).



This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums.

First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain  why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple.

The minute that a company is able to produce money out of thin air and assign themselves that money is the moment where I believe its fair to take it away from them. Especially since they can continue printing money out of thin air. The FED is a private institution and has done this for decades, so do you believe that is fair of them? This is literally the EXACT reason why cryptos was created! To get away from this BS.

Lets agree to disagree and be done with it. Obviously we aren't going to agree to each others for a lack of a better term morals (maybe ideas? I'm having difficulty trying to place a word here). I think at this point we are arguing philosophy more than anything else, which is fine, but if you want to lets just state that up front.

I would argue that the reverse is true as well: When a group or company is able to eliminate the money held by others , you have the same situation. Your position is hypocritical, illogical and morally indefensible.

[jimmothy]

xpost from the EvilPanda scam accusation thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033266.msg11149737#msg11149737

I'm sure I can get 2 or 3 guys that are posting for us at the moment to focus on asking for proof. We already did that in the reddit thread and the threads I showed you today in my previous email.

Anyone who downloaded the 5gb email dump want to figure out which threads he was talking about (and more specifically which shills)?

[TheMage]

I already explained several points of why the things you suggest as a fix for Paycoin are absurd, and in my opinion probably illegal as well. They are also detrimental to crypto, particularly the part about destroying trust that coins are a stable and honest form of currency. If a group of people can decide to eliminate the coins of other holders of a coin, that is the worst possible thing you can do to foster trust, which is cyptos weak point already.

IF this was any normal crypto I would agree with you, but the fact that a company "owns" it is the entire reason I would even suggest this.


Cryptos are for the people (beyond the stupid catchphrase they use "The people's money", and I firmly believe this.


BUT.......I do understand where you are coming from. And again I do agree with your sentiments if this were any other normal crypto coin. But it is not, and has some "special circumstances" surrounding it. Any changes that I suggested were to get GAW out of the picture (the easiest way possible without crossing that line you mentioned earlier about who decides which coins to burn, because that can be very difficult to track and determine) and help those who actually hold Paycoin.


Here is the issue, we have a community of folks that regardless of what you or anyone else thinks is still part of the larger crypto community. I also believe that a lot of these folks are first time crypto users and this is their first experience. Sure, its easy to sit back and say "let them burn in hell for their stupidity", but stepping back and looking at the larger picture here that causes some issues.

Mary just got scammed by GAW via paycoin and its community, and this is Mary's first time crypto experience. She was interested in it for both monetary reasons and non monetary reasons (maybe she hates the FED and really understands how much a dollar is really worth). But now her experience has left a bad taste in her mouth.

Mary also has a friend Jake at work who is interested in Bitcoin. Mary explains to Jake what had happened to her, and the poor experiences she had with cryptos. All of a sudden, her story resonates with him and he not only decides not to get into it, but actively tells others not to get involved as well. Now compound that with a few thousand people (I'm just throwing darts here at a number, but its not unreasonable).



This is why I do what I do. I can give two shits less about the coin itself, im more concerned with the community. Even if these people ultimately decide its not worth it they can still join one of the many other communities within cryptos and become contributors to help spread education and awareness. Hell most of the people who own paycoin arent even on GAW forums anymore, they are over in other mediums.

First, prove to me that GAW owns Paycoin. Tell me how much, and where it is stored and why you believe it belongs to them, and then explain  why taking property from a corporation is different than taking it from an individual. Secondly, explain why you think it is ok to take property away from either GAW or Josh Garza. What is the EXACT criteria by which you conclude that it is fair, just and legal, to take property from someone else. You either respect property rights or you don't. The fact of the matter is that Crypto currency is legally considered property, and neither you or the group of fucking criminals that you suggest should be able to pull off this fix (scam), have the right to take property from anyone else. It is that simple.

The minute that a company is able to produce money out of thin air and assign themselves that money is the moment where I believe its fair to take it away from them. Especially since they can continue printing money out of thin air. The FED is a private institution and has done this for decades, so do you believe that is fair of them? This is literally the EXACT reason why cryptos was created! To get away from this BS.

Lets agree to disagree and be done with it. Obviously we aren't going to agree to each others for a lack of a better term morals (maybe ideas? I'm having difficulty trying to place a word here). I think at this point we are arguing philosophy more than anything else, which is fine, but if you want to lets just state that up front.

I would argue that the reverse is true as well: When a group or company is able to eliminate the money held by others , you have the same situation. Your position is hypocritical, illogical and morally indefensible.

I dont understand your logic.

Jonny Q public buys shares in a company and gets scammed.

Jonny Q public has the ability to take over said company and potentially turn profits around for themselves, outside of said company.

The company being Paycoin. How can you say this is illogical or morally indefensible?

[Buckeye2015]

Everyone on hashtalk is pretty much denying buying coins ( https://hashtalk.org/topic/36830/why-are-you-still-investing-in-paycoin/20 )... so, who's buying coins now because they're clearly still selling to someone?

[suchmoon]

A new OP should be started headlining these two fucks as paid shills and in league with Josh Garza showing the evidence. Destroy them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033266.0

[Buckeye2015]

@ TheMage and Paul Revere ... I'm genuinely interested in your conversation, but don't want to jump in on it in this thread because it's sort of semi-tangent-ish.  (But I can understand why you two continue your discussion here)... would you consider starting a different thread where lesser voices could participate w/out overly extending this thread? Also, this seems like a good 'general purpose' crypto-currency community topic that would be served better to not be buried in this thread.

[TheMage]

@ TheMage and Paul Revere ... I'm genuinely interested in your conversation, but don't want to jump in on it in this thread because it's sort of semi-tangent-ish.  (But I can understand why you two continue your discussion here)... would you consider starting a different thread where lesser voices could participate w/out overly extending this thread? Also, this seems like a good 'general purpose' crypto-currency community topic that would be served better to not be buried in this thread.

Of course, I think its a good topic honestly.

Paul you up for a good philosophical discussion (with all respect of course)?

[Garzad]

http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab338/JaggedSteel1/Paycoined3_zps15f1c1b7.jpg

See:  "GARZA'd"