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April 18, 2015, 04:17:13 AM
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Another terrifying blow to the Garbonzo man! More proof of blatant fraud

Yeah, it's hard to think of a shorter statement that proves fraud. Sometimes Garza can be very efficient.
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April 18, 2015, 04:17:39 AM
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Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



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April 18, 2015, 04:20:49 AM
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Those damn muggles are such fools! I'll say the price is $20 and they will believe me! Mwahahaha! /s

What Garza didn't expect: the price would never hit $20.

I love the parts in his communication where he says "make it work" and Joe responds like "well that actually can't happen" or "that's the beauty of the blockchain" and Garza is like "it WILL happen, because I said it will". Well OK Josh, but that's not how things work lol. Why don't you get some basic coding skills so you can make your own damn coin?

If anyone here is a "muggle" it's Josh, because he has no real "power", just bullshit ideas and shitty execution built on top of fraudulent businesses. Like holy fuck I could not have created a more shitty business even if I tried.
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April 18, 2015, 04:20:58 AM
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Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



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April 18, 2015, 04:21:58 AM
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I see no reason why selling products for less than you can purchase them will fail, that is the way it is always done- right?  Roll Eyes

He senses the Gaw faithful are ready to be sheared yet again.

You know... until we see if he's jacking his prices up or not... I'm going to give him credit for really believing that he can pull that off. I consult and, when the bitcoin market is in the RIGHT mood, I do give a deduction for bitcoin payment. I've managed to get 5 people into routine bitcoin use that way. So, I count it as a win even if I only break even.

Right but you are talking about regular retail, correct? In the Gold/Silver business there is no huge markup to begin with where you can make discounts, and then he is saying he will undercut the Fair Market Value, which is what you can buy the products for to begin with - if you buy in large quantities. There is no such thing as "wholesale" in the Gold/Silver business, it costs what it costs. (yes, giant industrial purchases are slightly less, but that is Millions of dollars in purchases) I have been into Gold & Silver for a very long time (Thanks Hunt Brothers, you helped me buy my first car!) and I can tell you for sure that there simply is no way to do what he is suggesting. It would be easier for him to just send back more XPY than customers pay him and save all the fucking around buying inventory and shipping things. Seriously. This guy has some mental issues, hard to believe he is an actual M.D. . Might have something to do with his drug addiction, of course.

Me personally? I'm giving discounts on consulting.

Him?  I think he really does think that the XPY will go up significantly and he's bought into the idea that the future increase will offset his current losses. I'm pretty sure anyone who's offering to sell gold already knows it isn't a retail type of market. Notice that he's not using spot prices?  He probably has a local shop that can sell to him at a "FMV"-ish price and going to take a personal hit for 'the interim' until XPY shoots off to the moon.

I think its a bad business decision, but I've looked at some of the online links related to him and he's not going to have Mensa battering down his door any time soon... so, unjustified, idealistic belief in Paycoin is consistent with his past performance.


I think you are missing something regarding Gold/Silver pricing. Fair Market Value is what you can actually buy something for. Small purchases like a single gram of gold or a single ounce of Silver will run you maybe ~20% MAX over spot, and that is if you do not know how to shop around. In today's market you can buy locally for ~5% over spot prices for less than ~1,000ish and more like 2% over spot once you get up above that.  Beyond that the discounts to approach actual spot are very gradual as the quantities go up exponentially. What WhoCares is saying is that he is going to sell at less than he can buy his inventory for, unless of course, he plans on saying "Fair Market Value" is WAAY above spot and then give a ~5-10% discount or such, which then he is just full of bullshit and what he is stating is pure lies.

I typically do not post here, but wanted to make it clear.  If the Spot Price is $1200/oz for gold - and you see the price on APMEX etc is $1230/oz - you will be able to purchase it for $1170 on my site-- so that beats the Spot price and the FMV price from the major dealers/refiners- If you purchase a 1 ct diamond and the Rap price is $3000 and the FMV is 60% of Rap - then you will pay less than 60% of Rap--

So, continue to say what you will - the only person that looks ridiculous in this situation is you- because you obviously have no idea about Gold/Silver or Gems--

And to prove my point - I will personally invite someone respectable from BCT like OgNasty to check it out and make a purchase (with escrow) to shut you up- although that would probably not work either.

Lastly- You guys spend a bunch of time digging up dirt on people- Why is it that all of you hide behind your Usernames - I will venture a guess but most people already know the answer - because you are a coward
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April 18, 2015, 04:24:04 AM
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This larger version seems appropriate at this time.

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Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



I wish I had some beer right now Sad.
I got plenty, come on over.


Woot! I'm in Maryland, whats the drive like to you? Smiley

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April 18, 2015, 04:25:19 AM
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I see no reason why selling products for less than you can purchase them will fail, that is the way it is always done- right?  Roll Eyes

He senses the Gaw faithful are ready to be sheared yet again.

You know... until we see if he's jacking his prices up or not... I'm going to give him credit for really believing that he can pull that off. I consult and, when the bitcoin market is in the RIGHT mood, I do give a deduction for bitcoin payment. I've managed to get 5 people into routine bitcoin use that way. So, I count it as a win even if I only break even.

Right but you are talking about regular retail, correct? In the Gold/Silver business there is no huge markup to begin with where you can make discounts, and then he is saying he will undercut the Fair Market Value, which is what you can buy the products for to begin with - if you buy in large quantities. There is no such thing as "wholesale" in the Gold/Silver business, it costs what it costs. (yes, giant industrial purchases are slightly less, but that is Millions of dollars in purchases) I have been into Gold & Silver for a very long time (Thanks Hunt Brothers, you helped me buy my first car!) and I can tell you for sure that there simply is no way to do what he is suggesting. It would be easier for him to just send back more XPY than customers pay him and save all the fucking around buying inventory and shipping things. Seriously. This guy has some mental issues, hard to believe he is an actual M.D. . Might have something to do with his drug addiction, of course.

Me personally? I'm giving discounts on consulting.

Him?  I think he really does think that the XPY will go up significantly and he's bought into the idea that the future increase will offset his current losses. I'm pretty sure anyone who's offering to sell gold already knows it isn't a retail type of market. Notice that he's not using spot prices?  He probably has a local shop that can sell to him at a "FMV"-ish price and going to take a personal hit for 'the interim' until XPY shoots off to the moon.

I think its a bad business decision, but I've looked at some of the online links related to him and he's not going to have Mensa battering down his door any time soon... so, unjustified, idealistic belief in Paycoin is consistent with his past performance.


I think you are missing something regarding Gold/Silver pricing. Fair Market Value is what you can actually buy something for. Small purchases like a single gram of gold or a single ounce of Silver will run you maybe ~20% MAX over spot, and that is if you do not know how to shop around. In today's market you can buy locally for ~5% over spot prices for less than ~1,000ish and more like 2% over spot once you get up above that.  Beyond that the discounts to approach actual spot are very gradual as the quantities go up exponentially. What WhoCares is saying is that he is going to sell at less than he can buy his inventory for, unless of course, he plans on saying "Fair Market Value" is WAAY above spot and then give a ~5-10% discount or such, which then he is just full of bullshit and what he is stating is pure lies.

I typically do not post here, but wanted to make it clear.  If the Spot Price is $1200/oz for gold - and you see the price on APMEX etc is $1230/oz - you will be able to purchase it for $1170 on my site-- so that beats the Spot price and the FMV price from the major dealers/refiners- If you purchase a 1 ct diamond and the Rap price is $3000 and the FMV is 60% of Rap - then you will pay less than 60% of Rap--

So, continue to say what you will - the only person that looks ridiculous in this situation is you- because you obviously have no idea about Gold/Silver or Gems--

And to prove my point - I will personally invite someone respectable from BCT like OgNasty to check it out and make a purchase (with escrow) to shut you up- although that would probably not work either.

Lastly- You guys spend a bunch of time digging up dirt on people- Why is it that all of you hide behind your Usernames - I will venture a guess but most people already know the answer - because you are a coward

Why don't you cut the shit and just send me free money? I will happily supply a Bitcoin address if you agree.
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April 18, 2015, 04:27:32 AM
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I see no reason why selling products for less than you can purchase them will fail, that is the way it is always done- right?  Roll Eyes

He senses the Gaw faithful are ready to be sheared yet again.

You know... until we see if he's jacking his prices up or not... I'm going to give him credit for really believing that he can pull that off. I consult and, when the bitcoin market is in the RIGHT mood, I do give a deduction for bitcoin payment. I've managed to get 5 people into routine bitcoin use that way. So, I count it as a win even if I only break even.

Right but you are talking about regular retail, correct? In the Gold/Silver business there is no huge markup to begin with where you can make discounts, and then he is saying he will undercut the Fair Market Value, which is what you can buy the products for to begin with - if you buy in large quantities. There is no such thing as "wholesale" in the Gold/Silver business, it costs what it costs. (yes, giant industrial purchases are slightly less, but that is Millions of dollars in purchases) I have been into Gold & Silver for a very long time (Thanks Hunt Brothers, you helped me buy my first car!) and I can tell you for sure that there simply is no way to do what he is suggesting. It would be easier for him to just send back more XPY than customers pay him and save all the fucking around buying inventory and shipping things. Seriously. This guy has some mental issues, hard to believe he is an actual M.D. . Might have something to do with his drug addiction, of course.

Me personally? I'm giving discounts on consulting.

Him?  I think he really does think that the XPY will go up significantly and he's bought into the idea that the future increase will offset his current losses. I'm pretty sure anyone who's offering to sell gold already knows it isn't a retail type of market. Notice that he's not using spot prices?  He probably has a local shop that can sell to him at a "FMV"-ish price and going to take a personal hit for 'the interim' until XPY shoots off to the moon.

I think its a bad business decision, but I've looked at some of the online links related to him and he's not going to have Mensa battering down his door any time soon... so, unjustified, idealistic belief in Paycoin is consistent with his past performance.


I think you are missing something regarding Gold/Silver pricing. Fair Market Value is what you can actually buy something for. Small purchases like a single gram of gold or a single ounce of Silver will run you maybe ~20% MAX over spot, and that is if you do not know how to shop around. In today's market you can buy locally for ~5% over spot prices for less than ~1,000ish and more like 2% over spot once you get up above that.  Beyond that the discounts to approach actual spot are very gradual as the quantities go up exponentially. What WhoCares is saying is that he is going to sell at less than he can buy his inventory for, unless of course, he plans on saying "Fair Market Value" is WAAY above spot and then give a ~5-10% discount or such, which then he is just full of bullshit and what he is stating is pure lies.

I typically do not post here, but wanted to make it clear.  If the Spot Price is $1200/oz for gold - and you see the price on APMEX etc is $1230/oz - you will be able to purchase it for $1170 on my site-- so that beats the Spot price and the FMV price from the major dealers/refiners- If you purchase a 1 ct diamond and the Rap price is $3000 and the FMV is 60% of Rap - then you will pay less than 60% of Rap--

So, continue to say what you will - the only person that looks ridiculous in this situation is you- because you obviously have no idea about Gold/Silver or Gems--

And to prove my point - I will personally invite someone respectable from BCT like OgNasty to check it out and make a purchase (with escrow) to shut you up- although that would probably not work either.

Lastly- You guys spend a bunch of time digging up dirt on people- Why is it that all of you hide behind your Usernames - I will venture a guess but most people already know the answer - because you are a coward

I have been buying and selling Gold and Silver for damned near 40 years now, and one thing I am certain of is that you need to sell it for more than you paid to make a profit. If you are selling for less than spot this is not possible, which is what you are proposing, so good luck with your backwardzo retail logic Dr. Dumbass.

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April 18, 2015, 04:28:22 AM
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Lastly- You guys spend a bunch of time digging up dirt on people- Why is it that all of you hide behind your Usernames - I will venture a guess but most people already know the answer - because you are a coward

Why so mean? I'm sure everybody here hopes you're legit and hope your business plan works. It's just that there's been so much deceit and fraud surrounding this coin, and the business plan seems so unlikely to work, that we're going to be a little skeptical.
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April 18, 2015, 04:31:44 AM
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You can easily buy counterfeit gold bullion. I'm not going to tell you where, but I'm sure you can use your imagination. Most likely this is what is going to happen. That or credit card fraud. Fraud on top of fraud on top of fraud. What else would you expect from paycoin?
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April 18, 2015, 04:32:03 AM
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This larger version seems appropriate at this time.

http://i.imgur.com/Pq7Wls1.jpg

Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



I wish I had some beer right now Sad.
I got plenty, come on over.


Woot! I'm in Maryland, whats the drive like to you? Smiley
It's not that far.

http://i.imgur.com/SMPLVKy.jpg


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April 18, 2015, 04:32:34 AM
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Paul Revere - Like I said- I have nothing to prove to you - I responded to the post, nothing more- but I would be more than willing to educate you - but forgot you hide behind your Username making that impossible
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April 18, 2015, 04:33:50 AM
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This larger version seems appropriate at this time.

http://i.imgur.com/Pq7Wls1.jpg

Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



I wish I had some beer right now Sad.
I got plenty, come on over.


Woot! I'm in Maryland, whats the drive like to you? Smiley

I live in Baltimore! If you're nearby let's make a club for destroying Paycoin/Garza/GAW.


NE Baltimore city here! We need to do a meet up, ive been having people ask me for months now. There is a bar in Fells Point that accepts Bitcoin Smiley.

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April 18, 2015, 04:35:30 AM
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Paul Revere - Like I said- I have nothing to prove to you - I responded to the post, nothing more- but I would be more than willing to educate you - but forgot you hide behind your Username and making that impossible

Whatever. Go take your Oxy's and dream about all the fat stacks of XPY you will be making by buying Gold @ 1200/oz and selling it for $1170/oz. If anybody has doubts about the mental prowess of the remaining suckers in the Paycoin Cult, all you need to do is look at this fine Paycoined specimen. Unfriggenbeeeeleeevabbble. Roll Eyes


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April 18, 2015, 04:36:12 AM
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This larger version seems appropriate at this time.

http://i.imgur.com/Pq7Wls1.jpg

Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



I wish I had some beer right now Sad.
I got plenty, come on over.


Woot! I'm in Maryland, whats the drive like to you? Smiley
It's not that far.

http://i.imgur.com/SMPLVKy.jpg


I'll be there in a hour!  Cheesy

I've got a fridge full out on the patio. Sounds good.

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April 18, 2015, 04:37:37 AM
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Paul Revere - Like I said- I have nothing to prove to you - I responded to the post, nothing more- but I would be more than willing to educate you - but forgot you hide behind your Username making that impossible

Please do educate us on how you plan on making money by consistently selling something below the rate you buy it at. How does your business profit?

And why do you care about the identities of people asking questions?
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April 18, 2015, 04:38:56 AM
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I typically do not post here, but wanted to make it clear.  If the Spot Price is $1200/oz for gold - and you see the price on APMEX etc is $1230/oz - you will be able to purchase it for $1170 on my site-- so that beats the Spot price and the FMV price from the major dealers/refiners- If you purchase a 1 ct diamond and the Rap price is $3000 and the FMV is 60% of Rap - then you will pay less than 60% of Rap--

So, continue to say what you will - the only person that looks ridiculous in this situation is you- because you obviously have no idea about Gold/Silver or Gems--

And to prove my point - I will personally invite someone respectable from BCT like OgNasty to check it out and make a purchase (with escrow) to shut you up- although that would probably not work either.

Lastly- You guys spend a bunch of time digging up dirt on people- Why is it that all of you hide behind your Usernames - I will venture a guess but most people already know the answer - because you are a coward

Thanks for clarifying the pricing approach.

So, am I correct that you're selling below your cost because you intend to hold on the belief that the value of XPY will increase in the future?  I think that's the part that the people here are not getting (if that is your intent).


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April 18, 2015, 04:40:45 AM
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I would expect an answer like that from you- when confronted you result to insulting the other person to attempt to move the attention away from yourself -

Here - I will invite you to purchase on the website - as much or little as you want - with escrow from BCT - in exchange I get to announce your real identity and you agree to refrain from posting negatively -
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April 18, 2015, 04:41:03 AM
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This larger version seems appropriate at this time.

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Man this is entertainment gold.  12 pack down and still over 10 pages to go.  Can we sue for reimbursement for lost time and party supplies?  



I wish I had some beer right now Sad.
I got plenty, come on over.


Woot! I'm in Maryland, whats the drive like to you? Smiley

I live in Baltimore! If you're nearby let's make a club for destroying Paycoin/Garza/GAW.


NE Baltimore city here! We need to do a meet up, ive been having people ask me for months now. There is a bar in Fells Point that accepts Bitcoin Smiley.

But not Litecoin?

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April 18, 2015, 04:41:28 AM
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Obviously he's a millionaire so he can undersell precious metals and hold onto the Paycoin. Or else why would he insist somebody buy his product in it only to turn around and redump that Paycoin? It's a 0 sum game on the market lmao. Or, ya know, it's a complete fraud with anonymous currency.

I would expect an answer like that from you- when confronted you result to insulting the other person to attempt to move the attention away from yourself -

Here - I will invite you to purchase on the website - as much or little as you want - with escrow from BCT - in exchange I get to announce your real identity and you agree to refrain from posting negatively -
Are you on fucking drugs? You want him to pay you to dox him?
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