◥TALK◥15%◣bitcointalk(💬) est✪2014★yr4✪ [btc]💬

[groggin]

scratch that somehow we are vote approved on cryptopia! https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Vote
hit it!

3 votes sf, look on pg. 2  

also donated 10 dot to bring us up on the 'paid' list, pg. 1  

[BitcoinNational]

really happy about cryptopia
very DO-able (give it about 8 weeks but it will happen) C-cex is still a target too!

PROBLEM
we can't fork TALK to something better (or at least it makes it such more difficult)

no worries

TALK will continue on as a 'wildcard' old code POS, no hardforks, but likely to have a dev do their best to softfork some improvements.  In the meantime a TALK squared project can evolve ... will be a snapshot minus the deadwood ... so you will need to register an address (aka be an active member) ... then the next level project moves forward with only participants who helped over the last 2 years ... thus accounts not moved in the last 500days (out) ... so TLDR; eventually 2 coins

_{(no rush .. just food for thought)}

[BitcoinNational]

quote of the day "persistence, which is one of the essential herbs & spices"

https://medium.com/@icocountdown/why-has-newbium-been-delisted-from-icocountdown-1e00c415c17c#.he9p5b3h5

I'm gonna have to part company with you on this one. Landomata is the fellow who put together NXTTY, so it's not a cloning: it's a rebranding.

His pivot to Newbium is essentially a business decision. NXTTY started off okay but never took off; evidently Lando decided that it was futile to offer a chat app that tried to be all things to all people. Newbium is being designed to cater to a niche (crypto speculators.)

That's the way I see it, anyway.

I agree with Nxtblg here, NXTTY might not have taken off but it *could* have (still might, aren't DARPA looking for a anon chat app now?), it wasn't a scam, and Landomata has been around for a while and showed persistence, which is one of the essential herbs & spices needed in any successful start-up. Rarely does the first iteration of an idea hit the jackpot

[BitcoinNational]

POS of interest

CRBIT
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1237511.0

went full POS april29 (launch in Nov2015)
POS 8%
hold 24hr /max is 1 year (so you can cold store)

[BitcoinNational]

Quote of the Day

"Signaling theory says that if you have a good way to prove something and you have a noisy way to do it, then the reaosn why you picked the noisy way was because you couldn't do it the good way in the first place."  -- that ETH guy

[BitcoinNational]

Quote of the Day

The 1 million "Satoshi owned" bitcoins have been priced in by the market to stay put forever. Craig "Satoshi" Wright said he was going to move them, what are your opinions what would happen to altcoins prices if he stands by his word?

If it tanks BTC, I will actually buy a bunch of BTC and immediately buy my favorite ALTS with it, since it will decrease their price verses FIAT.  
But I have more faith in my favorite Alt than BTC , no matter what happens with Wright.

 

WikiLeaks on Twitter:
"We'd like to thank #Satoshi hoaxer Dr Craig Wright for showing how bankrupt the fact-checking standards are at the BBC, LRB & Economist."

[BitcoinNational]

5. Federation in general
Federation (as it should be) is a social structure, that gives every member the
freedom and the space, to preserve its own uniqueness, sovereignty and
identity. It brings communities as close together as possible, to enable
collaboration and to celebrate diversity …. and it should be scripted




6.  An attempt to visualize my thoughts

[BitcoinNational]

another Quote of the day

But gold has a utility that crypto-currency doesn't have

I appreciate an appreciating asset as much as the next guy, but I tend to evaluate things with somewhat of a transcendentalist approach:

"Transcendentalists believed that society and its institutions ultimately corrupted the purity of the individual, and had faith that people are at their best when truly "self-reliant" and independent."

Both Bitcoin and gold have value in that department, but it's difficult for someone to build and guard their own gold vault all day.  You need a way to store wealth that still allows you to function and be somewhat nimble.  Using Bitcoin in this approach, you're effectively a rogue proletariat benefitting from the collective technological and verification upkeep burden, of the vertically integrated civilization you've opted out of (I'm sure Anonymint will derive some sort of claim Bitcoin is doomed from this sentence).

Which brings us to:

It'd appear I'm splitting hairs, but gold is better in dealing with devaluation, rather than inflation.

Definitely the largest semantics argument I've ever seen presented, but yea.

[BitcoinNational]

As for Staisybit, they are scammers and held my coins and I lost coins so NO we are not working together.
Hey, now we can all call each other scammers, neat.

these services were getting attention fall 2015
it was an interesting concept but contained a moral hazard (in entrusting your private keys into the hands of another)
looks like none of the POS POOL projects are ending well
https://staisybit.com  CAUTION RED level (website was down for extended period of time)
https://stakeminers.com 99% certain a scam op based on neg. noise signals https://stakeminers.com/transactions.php
https://www.coinwallet.co (already closed) /to be fair afaik all coins were withdraw-able and fair notice of shut down given

http://steakcloud.com/cloud-staking.html (payout issues?) amber/mint/apex/sprouts

[BitcoinNational]

SCAM ALERT

It has come to my attention that a number of circulated currencies are in fact privately issued dimensionless tokens, that is, scams of the most blatant nature.  

Some affected currencies:  USD, CNY, EUR, JPY, GBP, ...


NOT ONLY are these coins significantly premined, but developers and hackers CONTINUE TO ISSUE THESE TOKENS IN PRIVATE.  

I repeat, there is nothing at all to stop developers and hackers from issuing these tokens to themselves IN ANY QUANTITY AT ANY TIME.

And further, there is no way for us to know how many are thusly issued!!


Wow.  Talk about scammy, eh?   No other coin in this forum is such a blatant scam as that.  But wait, it gets worse:

1) No transactions are ever publicly confirmed!  That's right, there is no public transaction record.  Block time is effectively infinity.  

2) Significant association of these currencies exists with criminality of all the worst types from pedophilia to terrorism

3) Completely unregulated money supply, no public oversight is possible.

4) Proceeds from the private issuance of these tokens and selling them to unsuspecting public has been used in the most
atrocious and wasteful activities in history from massive environmental destruction to warfare.


Be advised: participation in such a scam as this is unlikely to be forgiven.  Spread the word and be vigilant to avoid any contact with these tokens.  

[groggin]

    
all this after only one century with the fed & IRS, can't wait to experience negative interest rates

[BitcoinNational]

nice POS table / poll in thread

so i just recently got interested in POS coins. i will start with a small list of coins that i have some knowledge of. please feel free to post coins you know about and i will add it to the poll option list. also please give some explanation why you think the coin is your choice for best POS coin.

I will now create and maintain a table of details about PoS coins. I will slowly add coins starting with my holdings and with those i have some knowledge about. Please supply and/or correct the information available when necessary. thank you


PoS coins table

Coin

|

Reward

|

Premine

|

ICO

|

PoW

|

Min Age

|

Max Age

|

Launched

|

Feature

|

Block Time

|

Netcoin

|

20-45% p.a.

|

No

|

?

|

Yes

|

1 hr

|

30 Days

|

Sep 8, 2013

|

PIR+OWI

|

2 mins

|

Zeitcoin

|

15% p.a.

|

1%

|

No

|

Ended May 9, 2014

|

20 days

|

40 days

|

Mar 1, 2014

|

Zeit Knights

|

30 secs

|

Tekcoin

|

up to 40%/mo

|

No

|

No

|

Yes

|

?

|

?

|

Oct 8, 2013?

|

Superstake

|

1 min

|

Fury

|

200% p.a.

|

69 coins1

|

No

|

Ended

|

30 mins

|

10 days

|

Jun 11 2015?

|

?

|

2 mins

|

CBX

|

6-12% p.a.

|

?

|

?

|

Ended 1/1/16

|

1 hour

|

?

|

Feb 10, 2015?

|

PoSP

|

65 secs

|

HoboNickels

|

~2%/10 days

|

?

|

?

|

Yes

|

?

|

?

|

Jul 24, 2013?

|

?

|

30 secs

|

NXT

|

?

|

Yes?

|

Yes?

|

No

|

?

|

?

|

2013?

|

NXT.org

|

~59 secs

|

Peercoin

|

1% p.a.

|

No

|

No

|

No

|

?

|

?

|

Sep 23, 2014

|

peercoin.net

|

?

|

Hyperstake

|

up to 750% p.a.

|

?

|

?

|

X11 Finished

|

8.8 days

|

30 days

|

Jul 6, 2014

|

Inflation Control

|

90 secs

|

Decred

|

?

|

8%2

|

No

|

Yes

|

?

|

?

|

Dec 15, 2015

|

Cold Staking

|

?

|

Rubies

|

5%

|

100%3

|

?

|

Bet Mining

|

12 hrs

|

?

|

Feb 14, 2016?

|

rbies.org

|

~1 min

|

¹69 coin reward on relaunch for block 1 to pay users for the failed first launch - as per a Fury user.
²no free coins for devs. money used for dev fees and airdrop. as per BCT [ANN] thread
³10 million coins total supply created in block 1, distributed thru bet mining
 


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[BitcoinNational]

176.31.13.198:35691

up since 30 March 2016

nice

[Testing Crypto]

176.31.13.198:35691

up since 30 March 2016

nice

   Don't recall where the post was about the 500 ✪ BϾϾ ✪ from the Poloniex give a way many moons ago, but did try to send it to BN & not seeing it just motionless in space. I'll have to search for that post, if it was a keeper of the rest & not deleted to keep from becoming Hero or Legend (post count stats = Total time logged in: 70 days //after today). Here's the image of testing the withdrawal to BN, looking like no luck of the tx going through  

//not sure if 500 would even be worth it, but love testing & repairing / building the futures to be or not to be

Edit: Found it // # 17th post of this thread

[BitcoinNational]

interesting, so Polo not connected to the TALK network?
https://chainz.cryptoid.info/talk/address.dws?CRjt8BZu5a7YYNc4yCXD9SqztQcSjwn5eZ.htm

[BitcoinNational]

Looking for POS coin forked from Bitcoin Core 0.9 or higher

So far without success.

Do you know any?

[BitcoinNational]

BTC Speculation ... June/Summer

Bitcoin is going to $600+ soon before/after the reward halving. Its just inevitable (if there are no some bad news in the world of digital currencies). My concerns are about other coins/assets, which eventually will be dumped from the people who will follow BTC's uptrend...

I seriously doubt a sharp increase will happen. I have friends who had no idea what BTC was weeks ago investing a bunch of money in it anticipating the price to double. So many people expect the price to double that I doubt that it will happen.

And of course the biggest miners very likely stockpiled a shitton of BTC also expecting the price to rise a lot (if not double).

On one hand I hope I'm wrong but on another hand radical price changes alone are getting in the way of adoption - a lot of people want nothing to do with a coin that's price is so volatile.

You forgot few things:
1. Hashrate is controlled by the chinese.
2. Their largest mining farms made ROI long time ago.
3. Bitcoin's lower (than "expected") price just don't suits them.
4. They have a lot of money so they can wait.
5. Reward halves.
6. Speculation...

[BitcoinNational]

pos report

DEM   Deutsche eMark   Unstable Wallet   Wallet too unstable, keeps crashing.   Unknown
BTB   Bitbar   Frozen Wallet   Wallet isn't responding to commands, still trying to get it working.   Unknown
TEK   TEKcoin   No Blocks   No blocks are being found, appears to be something wrong with the wallet (other pools reportedly having the same problem)

http://tompool.org/

[groggin]

pos report

DEM   Deutsche eMark   Unstable Wallet   Wallet too unstable, keeps crashing.   Unknown
BTB   Bitbar   Frozen Wallet   Wallet isn't responding to commands, still trying to get it working.   Unknown
TEK   TEKcoin   No Blocks   No blocks are being found, appears to be something wrong with the wallet (other pools reportedly having the same problem)

http://tompool.org/

  DEM / DOT market is closing

DEM will be delisted on 2016-05-30 as there is a network issue causing people to lose deposits, Please cancel all orders and withdraw as soon as possible.

                                                                             https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Exchange/?market=DEM_DOT

[BitcoinNational]

POS report

DMD wallet 'maintenance' on cryptopia
no Win32 wallet (post hard fork)
Bittrex market open deposit/withdraws ... big sell wall
lots of "TALK" on the threads too!