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March 03, 2016, 06:32:32 AM
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does hashocean is legit cloud mining?
hashprofit clone... for me, just be patient it will come.


Ohh i remember the cloudminr.io was fun too at the same moment.

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March 03, 2016, 09:29:20 PM
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does hashocean is legit cloud mining?
hashprofit clone... for me, just be patient it will come.


Ohh i remember the cloudminr.io was fun too at the same moment.

HashProfit was Russian, so i doubt, it looks different.. design more closer to Cloudminr.io, but behavior completely different.

They have phone number +1 650 603 5816
What country it is? Someone call there?

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March 03, 2016, 09:43:05 PM
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They have phone number +1 650 603 5816
What country it is? Someone call there?

North America. One can get a Google Voice or some other fake number without much effort, that doesn't mean anything.

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March 03, 2016, 09:52:42 PM
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They have phone number +1 650 603 5816
What country it is? Someone call there?

North America. One can get a Google Voice or some other fake number without much effort, that doesn't mean anything.

According to this, California to be precise, probably on a non existent desk in their non existent San Francisco HQ.

Also from their assessment

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Hardware used concerns Radeon R9 280 X Gigabyte (GV-R928XOC-3GD) graphic cards with a capacity of 700 KH/s each according to the FAQ. At the current difficulty these should not be able to mine more than 0.00000001 BTC per day (roughly $0.000003), while electricity costs at 600W per card would be around $2 per day.


So why would anyone want to call them anyway?

"Hello, can you help me, are you a scam?"

Of course they're a fucking scam.  Roll Eyes

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March 03, 2016, 10:09:20 PM
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Of course they're a fucking scam.  Roll Eyes

This is what I like! Shortly and precisely!

Thanks for the link to this website, I have not seen it before - looks very cool!

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March 03, 2016, 10:20:40 PM
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I would point out a site like hashocean.com.
They appear to be legit but could still be a ponzi, though their payouts continuously change.

MiningSweden.se also appeas to be legit. They are offering shares of miners, miners and shares in their company to their users. The main leader has been invited to talks at bitmaintech and is known by some people as he has not hidden his identity. (His name is said to be Tommy).

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March 03, 2016, 10:24:40 PM
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I would point out a site like hashocean.com.
They appear to be legit but could still be a ponzi, though their payouts continuously change.


That was the topic of the last five posts. Pls explain how they "appear to be legit".

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March 03, 2016, 10:57:43 PM
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I would point out a site like hashocean.com.
They appear to be legit but could still be a ponzi, though their payouts continuously change.


That was the topic of the last five posts. Pls explain how they "appear to be legit".

What you are fogetting is the phrase in most jurisdictions "innocent until proven guilty"

I belive that they are legitimate as they offer a way of mining at a price that does actually change. They say that they take a fee of 20% which is fully legit. The fact that they don't share this information of how much they have taken doesn't really do very much.

How can you prove that Hashnest are legit? They've been paying for 2 years yes, but they could be a ponzi, we just don't know?

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March 04, 2016, 02:19:41 AM
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I would point out a site like hashocean.com.
They appear to be legit but could still be a ponzi, though their payouts continuously change.


That was the topic of the last five posts. Pls explain how they "appear to be legit".

What you are fogetting is the phrase in most jurisdictions "innocent until proven guilty"

I belive that they are legitimate as they offer a way of mining at a price that does actually change. They say that they take a fee of 20% which is fully legit. The fact that they don't share this information of how much they have taken doesn't really do very much.

How can you prove that Hashnest are legit? They've been paying for 2 years yes, but they could be a ponzi, we just don't know?

Two solid fallacies in one post, well done.

"Innocent until proven guilty" is completely irrelevant to handing money over to some website.

And some other site being or not being legit has no bearing on this particular case either.

There is absolutely no justification under any circumstances or jurisdictions to not perform due diligence when parting with your money. If you act under a "belief" rather than facts (or lack thereof) - may God help you because nothing else will.

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March 04, 2016, 07:10:15 AM
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What you are fogetting is the phrase in most jurisdictions "innocent until proven guilty"

Apply that to every nigerian prince's business proposal in your spam filter, I dare you.

 When it comes to investing, particularly in the bitcoin realm, the presumption of innocence doesnt apply and is stupid beyond words. You should apply a presumption of scam until proven trustworthy.
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March 04, 2016, 07:18:56 AM
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What you are fogetting is the phrase in most jurisdictions "innocent until proven guilty"

Apply that to every nigerian prince's business proposal in your spam filter, I dare you.

 When it comes to investing, particularly in the bitcoin realm, the presumption of innocence doesnt apply and is stupid beyond words. You should apply a presumption of scam until proven trustworthy.

I also always had an opinion "innocent until proven guilty". But the longer I am in the crypto-community the more I am convinced that here it does not fit .. Unfortunately .. Sad

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March 04, 2016, 08:24:02 AM
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I would point out a site like hashocean.com.
They appear to be legit but could still be a ponzi, though their payouts continuously change.


That was the topic of the last five posts. Pls explain how they "appear to be legit".

What you are fogetting is the phrase in most jurisdictions "innocent until proven guilty"

I belive that they are legitimate as they offer a way of mining at a price that does actually change.

And that's it, is it? Hashocean qualifies as "appears to be legit" because their prices change?

No comment on the unprofitability of mining with graphics cards, the absurd number of supposed investors, the deliberate lie about offices?

"Innocent until proven guilty".
What does that actually mean? Does it mean "give any old anon with a website the benefit of doubt and your money", by default?
This isn't a jurisdiction. This isn't  a court of law. This is Bitcoinland and people's money.

But then, as a self described "manipulator of ponzis and markets" you will obviously be aware of this.

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March 05, 2016, 07:17:47 AM
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anyone have review new cloudmining callerd bitcoincloudminer.com ?
i found he open new signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.0


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March 05, 2016, 07:21:52 AM
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anyone have review new cloudmining callerd bitcoincloudminer.com ?
i found he open new signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.0



ported me to the bitcoin cloud services site with his referral code, it is explicitly a scam. stay out from that bullshit.

out of ability to use the signature, i want a new ban strike policy that will fade the strike after 90~120 days of the ban and not to be traced back, like google | email me for anything urgent, message will not be instantly responded
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March 05, 2016, 07:33:29 AM
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anyone have review new cloudmining callerd bitcoincloudminer.com ?
i found he open new signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.0



ported me to the bitcoin cloud services site with his referral code, it is explicitly a scam. stay out from that bullshit.
he is claim Cloudminer.com Pty Ltd is a registered company with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.msg14066577#msg14066577


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March 05, 2016, 12:10:53 PM
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he is claim Cloudminer.com Pty Ltd is a registered company with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.msg14066577#msg14066577

I think the admin is correlating with this ASIC?
http://asic.gov.au/

Unless otherwise we need proof of consent/approval solely from ASIC with the respective registration number.
Else there would be no difference if I create a site tomorrow and attach a sticker mentioning it is approved by so on and so forth organization.

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--- UPDATED LIST (5/03/2016) ---





Please read OP thoroughly before studying the list below.

Note: Use the "Find" function (Ctrl+F) on your browser and type the name of a cloudmining site you want to find from the list and research thoroughly before buying a contract from there.




Ponzi's that have already collapsed as predicted:

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bitcoincloudservices  1+2+4+5+6*+7       => 6/7 = Ponzi (* founded by known scammer  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860400.msg9638868#msg9638868)
bitcoinminersuk.com   1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Lbtcl.com             1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitknock.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
PBmining.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Lunaminer.com         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
coinsoncloud.eu       1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Cryptomine.io         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
hashie.co             1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitcoinlabmining.com  1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
ltcgear               1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
hashprofit.com        1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
minethatcloud.com     1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
CoIntellect.com       1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
terabox.me            1+2+3*+4+5+6+7*    => 7*/7 = Ponzi (pictures are not at all convincing, exit strategy involves  60+ days stall tactic)
chabatmining.com      1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Ecrypto.co.in         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ confirmed scam, they are no partners of cex.io)
GenerateBTC.com       1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
cloudminr.io          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
grmining.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
hashwar.co            1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitrush.com           1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
scrypt.cc             1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
Kryptologika          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Cryptsy MN            1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi ( + no details on fee structure) (withdrawl problems noticed!)
Coolhash.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software)
Bitminr.com           1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software)
MineProfit.com        1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software)
SpecialMiner.com      1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi  (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software)
Scryptsy.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
cloudhours.net        1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitcoinmaker.ch       1+2+3+4+6+7+8      => 7/7 = Ponzi

Likely Ponzi scams that have yet to collapse:

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coince.com            1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
fortacloud.co         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
hashocean.com         1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
HourlyMine.com        1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
cldmine.com           1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitcoinmining.me      1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Skycoinlab.com        1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ organized by serial ponzi scammer: ?topic=583177.msg10298730)
btcslice.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ pays out in reversible paypal ?)
cloudmining.website   2+3+4+5+6+7        => 6/7 = Ponzi
eobot.com             1+2+3+5+6+7        => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software)
nexusmining.com       1+2*+3+4+5+7       => 6/7 = Ponzi (Guy from Spondoolies says im wrong, but I can't score what I haven't seen and he seems to confirm they have no hardware)
minerslab.com         1+2+3+4+6+7        => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ selling hardware that doesnt exist + using purchased "legendary" account)
cloudmining.sg        1+2+4+6+7          => 5/7 = Ponzi (Founder's LinkedIn account deleted, Uses Weebly's free checkout platform)
hashcoins.com
and hashflare.io     ~1+2+3+4+7          => 5/7 = (very) suspicious (user selectable pool requires fee, dc pictures show no miners, linkedin profile doctored, hardware sales very dubious,..) (*now owned by hashflare.io)
Zeushash              1+2+3+4+5          => 5/7 = (very) suspicious
Bitminer.eu           1+2+5+6            => 4/7 = Suspicious (+ Pictures of their miners might be Photoshopped)
Miningsweden.se       1+2*+5+7           => 4/7 = Suspicious (*will remove as soon as I receive confirmation from Bitmain)

Rest:

Code:
genesis-mining.com    1+2+5+7            => 4/7 = Probably legit.
pow88.com             1+2+5              => 3/7 = Probably legit (preliminary assessment) (Suspicious referral bonus : 1% hourly !!!)
Bit-x.com             1+4                => 2/7 = Probably legit (preliminary assessment, partnership confirmed by Bitfury)
haobtc.com            1+2                => 2/7 = Probably Legit (investment based cloudmining company => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1023187.0)
bw.com                1                  => 1/7 = Legit (1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg13605117#msg13605117)
Hashnest              1                  => 1/7 = Legit (1 - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=878387.msg13605117#msg13605117)

Obsolete or suspended:

Code:
AMhash                                   => 0/7 = Legit
KNCcloud              7                  => 1/7 = Legit
Cex.io                4                  => 1/7 = Legit
Cryptx PETAmine                          => 0/7 = Legit
Megamine.com          1+4                => 2/7 = Probably legit
GAWminers             1+4+5+~7           => 4/7*= Possibly/partially legit based on criteria set forth. Based on wider context: more suspicious than a nun squatting in a cucumber field




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March 05, 2016, 12:52:37 PM
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Likely Ponzi scams that have yet to collapse:
Code:
bitcoincloudservices  1+2+4+5+6*+7       => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ founded by known scammer  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860400.msg9638868#msg9638868)

this is must move to :
Ponzi's that have already collapsed as predicted

bitcoincloudservices is scam in 2015 and no payout again.




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March 05, 2016, 01:09:36 PM
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Likely Ponzi scams that have yet to collapse:
Code:
bitcoincloudservices  1+2+4+5+6*+7       => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ founded by known scammer  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860400.msg9638868#msg9638868)

this is must move to :
Ponzi's that have already collapsed as predicted

bitcoincloudservices is scam in 2015 and no payout again.

Thanks for mentioning that.
Will edit in a few seconds time.




I have not yet listed Cloudminer.com since I am waiting for their proofs (if they have any) to what they were claiming before.
Might add them in the next update.
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March 05, 2016, 10:59:10 PM
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anyone have review new cloudmining callerd bitcoincloudminer.com ?
i found he open new signature campaign https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.0



ported me to the bitcoin cloud services site with his referral code, it is explicitly a scam. stay out from that bullshit.
he is claim Cloudminer.com Pty Ltd is a registered company with the Australian Securities and Investment Commission (ASIC).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1382476.msg14066577#msg14066577



Be a little bit careful guys, a lot of these have variations on mining-hash-bit-miner-cloud in their names, try not to get them mixed up.

The "bitcoincloudminer" redirect has nothing to do, as far as I'm aware, with the sig campaign referred to above, or with the Australian Cloudminer.com which runs it.

Cloudminer.com, just to add to potential confusion, aren't offering traditional cloudmining contracts with an upfront payments/roi structure.
They appear to be selling third party hash thru an internal market and, although they should be approached with care, don't immediately ring scam alarms for me.


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