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[d57heinz]

After seeing so many collapsed ponzies, people step up and say BTC having anonymity s great. Fuck that. Scammers should be shot at spot.

yep im all for it.. There is only few reasons they need anonymity.. They are doing very bad things with the money.. Ie supporting terrorism, they are thief's or they are huge corp that is hiding from taxes!

Absolutely no reason to hide who you are or what you have.  Thats another made up construct by man(those that think possessions gauge a mans worthiness).  possessions never made any man decent that ive ever met!  Mostly the opposite.  LIke ive said before with the craziness that goes on in btc do we really want some of these nutjobs in control of the worlds wealth.. The ones with 10's of thousands of btc.. esp if this becomes the next world currency.. I have my doubts!

Best Regards
d57heinz

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[alani123]

Hello.

First of all i want to thank daniele_83 for giving me this threat and i got more knowledge.

Thank you daniele_83

My story using cloudmining is that long time ago i had invested to HashProfit and yes .... i lost a few money.

Now i use HashOcean but reading all these makes me worry more than i was before.
I just hope HashOcean to stay alive for another 3 months.

Also i've found  http:://www.bitzfree.com/
Maybe it could be added to the suitable list.

A few minutes ago i changed my signature and removed referral link.

I've seen games like bitzfree come and go. It most definitely doesn't own any mining equipment, it's nothing more than a game. The free 20Gh/s that they offer is nothing, 0.70$ a month at best. People that browse those websites day and night generate more for them through advertising, and they also probably offer advantages for premium members that pay them. Overall there's no money to be made from such games other than pennies and even for that it works like a ponzi, shuffling the money of participants around to make it seem like there's profit. Until it shuts down of course.

[crazyivan]

After seeing so many collapsed ponzies, people step up and say BTC having anonymity s great. Fuck that. Scammers should be shot at spot.

yep im all for it.. There is only few reasons they need anonymity.. They are doing very bad things with the money.. Ie supporting terrorism, they are thief's or they are huge corp that is hiding from taxes!

Absolutely no reason to hide who you are or what you have.  Thats another made up construct by man(those that think possessions gauge a mans worthiness).  possessions never made any man decent that ive ever met!  Mostly the opposite.  LIke ive said before with the craziness that goes on in btc do we really want some of these nutjobs in control of the worlds wealth.. The ones with 10's of thousands of btc.. esp if this becomes the next world currency.. I have my doubts!

Best Regards
d57heinz

+1 big time. Those who hide, do so cause they want to break the law. Fuck that, BTC anonymity s the biggest shit BTC has introduced.

[d57heinz]

After seeing so many collapsed ponzies, people step up and say BTC having anonymity s great. Fuck that. Scammers should be shot at spot.

yep im all for it.. There is only few reasons they need anonymity.. They are doing very bad things with the money.. Ie supporting terrorism, they are thief's or they are huge corp that is hiding from taxes!

Absolutely no reason to hide who you are or what you have.  Thats another made up construct by man(those that think possessions gauge a mans worthiness).  possessions never made any man decent that ive ever met!  Mostly the opposite.  LIke ive said before with the craziness that goes on in btc do we really want some of these nutjobs in control of the worlds wealth.. The ones with 10's of thousands of btc.. esp if this becomes the next world currency.. I have my doubts!

Best Regards
d57heinz

+1 big time. Those who hide, do so cause they want to break the law. Fuck that, BTC anonymity s the biggest shit BTC has introduced.

Funny part about that is.. I think right now btc is a honeypot.. Taking in all the scammers it can.. Then BOOM regulation comes in to ALL the exchanges or GTFO and all the scammers past/present get popped.. Im still waiting on btce to become regulated.. Then i can go after them for the btc block i got stolen back in 2014 that got funneled thru their exchange.  I think im certain who did it.. but i just need confirmation

Best Regards
d57heinz

[NeverBeenKissed]

what about www.sea-mining.com  / www.hashflare.io ?


So ....  faucets are kinda waste of time
If you claim 24 hours a day from faucets you need more money for electricity than those you make  (you earn just a few dollars, euros ...etc)
If cloud mining are ponzis .....

then .... what's the best method to gain btc ?

[alani123]

what about www.sea-mining.com  / www.hashflare.io ?


So ....  faucets are kinda waste of time
If you claim 24 hours a day from faucets you need more money for electricity than those you make  (you earn just a few dollars, euros ...etc)
If cloud mining are ponzis .....

then .... what's the best method to gain btc ?

Earn BTC? Why not have an IRL job and buy btc with spare money? Earning BTC directly is a bit more tricky, the most convenient method for many people has proven to be services. If you can provide a service online, with just a little marketing and if you have good rates you'll find clients willing to pay in bitcoin sooner or later. But it's still not comparable to a full-time job.

[DarkStar_]

what about www.sea-mining.com  / www.hashflare.io ?


So ....  faucets are kinda waste of time
If you claim 24 hours a day from faucets you need more money for electricity than those you make  (you earn just a few dollars, euros ...etc)
If cloud mining are ponzis .....

then .... what's the best method to gain btc ?

Both of the sites you listed are scams. Sea mining gives away free ghs when you sign up, and actual miners can't do that because they will end up losing a lot. Compare the sites you listed with the traits Puppet posted on the first post to find a scam. I'll bet most of them match.

The best method to gain btc is to buy it. Simple, and it doesn't take too much work. Get the money for buying bitcoin though a normal job.

[GeorgeAurea]

As far as I'm concerned, Miningsweden.se can be moved to the scam/ponzi list, due to pre-selling Antminer S9 units which are not officially confirmed nor announced by Bitmain in any way.

Sources:
Miningsweden: https://www.miningsweden.se/product/mining-sweden-s9-2000gh-shares-ms9-pre-sales/
bct: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1472058.0
Bitmain forum: https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433?page=1

[coinmachine777]

news from EOBOT:


"
Hello Miners! Due to the falling Bitcoin price, and the rising Bitcoin mining difficulty, version 2.0 of our Cloud GHS has been paused. It costs more money in electricity/maintenance fees than the AntMiner S5 devices mine every day in Bitcoin. Each day it costs $0.00117 per GHS to run, and it only mines $0.00116. It does not appear likely that the miners will again produce more in Bitcoin than it costs to run them in electricity, so we will be terminating the contracts.

In exchange, we can ship you the AntMiner S5 hardware, so you can run it in your own home. Each S5 DOES NOT include a power supply. You must pay for shipping and handling and that price will vary depending upon your location, but is approximately $65 USD. You need at least 1155 GHS 2.0 to take advantage of this offer, since each S5 unit is a 1155 GHS hashing unit. However, we have 100's of extra units, so if you want one, please contact us. Please email us if you want more information or to take advantage of this redemption offer.

Until next time...happy mining,
-The Eobot Team

"

[aleandromagno]

As far as I'm concerned, Miningsweden.se can be moved to the scam/ponzi list, due to pre-selling Antminer S9 units which are not officially confirmed nor announced by Bitmain in any way.

Sources:
Miningsweden: https://www.miningsweden.se/product/mining-sweden-s9-2000gh-shares-ms9-pre-sales/
bct: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1472058.0
Bitmain forum: https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433?page=1

Bitmain denied that it will start sales of Antminer S9, but if MiningSweden is their key count can have better informations. I don't think that information about pre sales can be reason to call them scammers.

[GeorgeAurea]

As far as I'm concerned, Miningsweden.se can be moved to the scam/ponzi list, due to pre-selling Antminer S9 units which are not officially confirmed nor announced by Bitmain in any way.

Sources:
Miningsweden: https://www.miningsweden.se/product/mining-sweden-s9-2000gh-shares-ms9-pre-sales/
bct: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1472058.0
Bitmain forum: https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433?page=1

Bitmain denied that it will start sales of Antminer S9, but if MiningSweden is their key count can have better informations. I don't think that information about pre sales can be reason to call them scammers.

Maybe scammers is a harsh word, but I do not know how else to describe it properly. "We have now information about that the new S9 miner soon will come out on the market so now you can preorder your mining shares with the new S9 Miners", is what is stated on their page. That's pretty vague. Under such arguments, one could also be pre-selling quantum computers (the S9's), because there are already regular computers on the market (the S7's)...

Fact is, is that S9's are not there yet, let alone any (rough) specifications. S9's are thus date still a rumor, nothing more. Though Miningsweden is selling such units, be them as preorders though, at the same price/speed as S7's, without them having any knowledge on those (rough) specifications.
So basically, until Bitmain itself is a) announcing them, and b) enclose their (aimed) specifications, and c) selling them, and d) actually shipping them, Miningsweden is simply (pre)selling air or vaporware... 

[aleandromagno]

As far as I'm concerned, Miningsweden.se can be moved to the scam/ponzi list, due to pre-selling Antminer S9 units which are not officially confirmed nor announced by Bitmain in any way.

Sources:
Miningsweden: https://www.miningsweden.se/product/mining-sweden-s9-2000gh-shares-ms9-pre-sales/
bct: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1472058.0
Bitmain forum: https://enforum.bitmain.com/bbs/topics/3433?page=1

Bitmain denied that it will start sales of Antminer S9, but if MiningSweden is their key count can have better informations. I don't think that information about pre sales can be reason to call them scammers.

Maybe scammers is a harsh word, but I do not know how else to describe it properly. "We have now information about that the new S9 miner soon will come out on the market so now you can preorder your mining shares with the new S9 Miners", is what is stated on their page. That's pretty vague. Under such arguments, one could also be pre-selling quantum computers (the S9's), because there are already regular computers on the market (the S7's)...

Fact is, is that S9's are not there yet, let alone any (rough) specifications. S9's are thus date still a rumor, nothing more. Though Miningsweden is selling such units, be them as preorders though, at the same price/speed as S7's, without them having any knowledge on those (rough) specifications.
So basically, until Bitmain itself is a) announcing them, and b) enclose their (aimed) specifications, and c) selling them, and d) actually shipping them, Miningsweden is simply (pre)selling air or vaporware... 

I know what you mean. This move of MiningSweden is very shady as Bitmain do not confirm that, but maybe they really have some informations..
I personally think that they wanted to make noise around their service and put this information to have free advertisement.

[NeverBeenKissed]

Hello.

A while ago i got paid 80 Euros from Coinbase.
I earned the btc from HashOcean.
I'm not saying that HashOcean and CoinBase is trusted, but till now it works for me
I just wanted to share it with you

[aleandromagno]

Hello.

A while ago i got paid 80 Euros from Coinbase.
I earned the btc from HashOcean.
I'm not saying that HashOcean and CoinBase is trusted, but till now it works for me
I just wanted to share it with you

Writing this to names (Coinbase and HashOcean) in one post is big mistake

Coinbase is trusted exchange and wallet.
HashOcean is known Ponzi scheme.

This two services that two different worlds.

[NeverBeenKissed]

Hello.

A while ago i got paid 80 Euros from Coinbase.
I earned the btc from HashOcean.
I'm not saying that HashOcean and CoinBase is trusted, but till now it works for me
I just wanted to share it with you

Writing this to names (Coinbase and HashOcean) in one post is big mistake

Coinbase is trusted exchange and wallet.
HashOcean is known Ponzi scheme.

This two services that two different worlds.

I just wanted to share my experience.
I'm not saying HashOcean is not ponzi, but till now it works for me.
I get about $2/day.
I transfered the earned btc to Coinbase and i got paid

[aleandromagno]

Hello.

A while ago i got paid 80 Euros from Coinbase.
I earned the btc from HashOcean.
I'm not saying that HashOcean and CoinBase is trusted, but till now it works for me
I just wanted to share it with you

Writing this to names (Coinbase and HashOcean) in one post is big mistake

Coinbase is trusted exchange and wallet.
HashOcean is known Ponzi scheme.

This two services that two different worlds.

I just wanted to share my experience.
I'm not saying HashOcean is not ponzi, but till now it works for me.
I get about $2/day.
I transfered the earned btc to Coinbase and i got paid

Everyone who have anything (khs) in HashOcean know that they still pay. We watch this thread just because we wait for day when first user say that didn't get payment

but thanks for info man!
good luck!

[crazyivan]

Hello.

A while ago i got paid 80 Euros from Coinbase.
I earned the btc from HashOcean.
I'm not saying that HashOcean and CoinBase is trusted, but till now it works for me
I just wanted to share it with you

Writing this to names (Coinbase and HashOcean) in one post is big mistake

Coinbase is trusted exchange and wallet.
HashOcean is known Ponzi scheme.

This two services that two different worlds.

I just wanted to share my experience.
I'm not saying HashOcean is not ponzi, but till now it works for me.
I get about $2/day.
I transfered the earned btc to Coinbase and i got paid

U ride them cause u re green and stupid. U will lose money but u deserve that when u invest into ponzi.

[NeverBeenKissed]

Hello.

A while ago i got paid 80 Euros from Coinbase.
I earned the btc from HashOcean.
I'm not saying that HashOcean and CoinBase is trusted, but till now it works for me
I just wanted to share it with you

Writing this to names (Coinbase and HashOcean) in one post is big mistake

Coinbase is trusted exchange and wallet.
HashOcean is known Ponzi scheme.

This two services that two different worlds.

I just wanted to share my experience.
I'm not saying HashOcean is not ponzi, but till now it works for me.
I get about $2/day.
I transfered the earned btc to Coinbase and i got paid

U ride them cause u re green and stupid. U will lose money but u deserve that when u invest into ponzi.

Yes, I'm stupid. Thank you.
The sure thing is that I'm less than you.
I'm not here to fight, argue or anything.
I just wanted to share my experience.
And no, i haven't lost any money

[tmfp]

I'm not here to fight, argue or anything.
I just wanted to share my experience.
And no, i haven't lost any money

The point of this thread is to help people analyse the likelihood of schemes being scams, especially ponzis. Virtually every one of those listed as "collapsed as expected" did, for a period of time, pay out.
It is up to you whether you take any notice of these ratings before investing your money. You obviously don't, so what value is your "experience" to others?
We are all aware that people are saying they receive payment from HashOcean. They will continue saying that until it stops. That what ponzis do, pay out, then stop. That's when people lose money.
If you don't want to fight or argue, then I suggest you don't put yourself in a situation where it becomes likely, by making posts of no value as above.

[NeverBeenKissed]

I'm not here to fight, argue or anything.
I just wanted to share my experience.
And no, i haven't lost any money

The point of this thread is to help people analyse the likelihood of schemes being scams, especially ponzis. Virtually every one of those listed as "collapsed as expected" did, for a period of time, pay out.
It is up to you whether you take any notice of these ratings before investing your money. You obviously don't, so what value is your "experience" to others?
We are all aware that people are saying they receive payment from HashOcean. They will continue saying that until it stops. That what ponzis do, pay out, then stop. That's when people lose money.
If you don't want to fight or argue, then I suggest you don't put yourself in a situation where it becomes likely, by making posts of no value as above.

I'm not saying that  HashOcean is not ponzi neither is trusted.
There's something that's called freedom of speech and as i said I'd like to share my experience.
I'm not saying that people should invest to HashOcean.
Every investment is a risk no matter where you invest.
Even if HashOcean is the #1 scam ponzi.... let it be. I don't mind.
As long I'm earning these little amount of money I'm happy and I'm lucky that I haven't lost.

I respect your sayings and I'm not denying the scam-ponzi list.
I'm pretty sure that many cloud mining companies will go down. Time will show.
For sure you are experienced and you know things like others here know and for sure better than me.
HashProfit for example was identical like HashOcean, but i remember after they shut down they were returning investments to clients.
Anyway. Thank everyone for the help is provide here.
As i said i just wanted to share my experience, so if you have respect for yourself and you find yourself capable to be a part of the society, you also have to respect my sayings.

I have lost a lot of money by investing to banks, insurance companies etc....
I feel lucky enough that i earn a bit from HashOcean.
As long i earn i feel lucky.

A few days ago i didn't have a clue about this forum.
Now I'm pretty worried about investing to other cloud mining companies and i find my self not sure to do it again.
Anyway, thanks again for all the information i got here.