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December 22, 2014, 01:36:58 PM
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So Dogie is now employed by Bitmain and is quick to spruik them vs prismas https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902269.msg9914111#msg9914111 which are clearly a far superior product. One of the few credible voices gone; at least he was open about it.
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December 22, 2014, 01:40:58 PM
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which are clearly a far superior product.

What makes you say that? S5 does 0.5J/GH at the wall, underclockable to ~0.2J. Prisma 2.0 is nowhere near.
I also think that not having a history of catching fire is a plus to many people.
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December 22, 2014, 01:54:22 PM
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So Dogie is now employed by Bitmain and is quick to spruik them vs prismas https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=902269.msg9914111#msg9914111 which are clearly a far superior product. One of the few credible voices gone; at least he was open about it.

Superior? Really the Prisma 1.0 was an amazing experience I must say! Not sure what was my favorite part..the non working unit or lack of replies. I will have to get to you on that part while I think about it.
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December 22, 2014, 01:55:10 PM
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which are clearly a far superior product.

What makes you say that? S5 does 0.5J/GH at the wall, underclockable to ~0.2J. Prisma 2.0 is nowhere near.
I also think that not having a history of catching fire is a plus to many people.

lol yes this...I think many have lost a lot of faith in AM gear at this point..
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December 22, 2014, 02:05:41 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

Under development Modular UPGRADEABLE Miner (MUM). Looking for investors.
Changing one PCB with screwdriver and you have brand new miner in hand... Plug&Play, scalable from one module to thousands.
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December 22, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
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December 22, 2014, 02:31:49 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
Lot more you say?
USB Block Erupter, Block Erupter, something mini (don't remember what was that), Tube, Prisma, Prisma 2.0 - six what I can remember. Maybe someone will add to this list.
Antminer: S1, S2, S3, S3+, S4, S5 - six...

EDIT: And propably those blades that was going to submerge cooling facilities where different than normal Block Erupters.

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December 22, 2014, 02:41:14 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

I've had really good luck with bitmain hardware over time, only had one bad unit and no fires. If the S5 lives up to the claims, it might be a nice unit to have.
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December 22, 2014, 02:42:45 PM
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Ok, 'far superior' was stretching it a bit. Let's see how the S5s actually perform seeing as they haven't shipped yet.
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December 22, 2014, 02:45:15 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.

 Bitmain has a slightly better PR department:

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The decision has been taken not to continue production of the Antminer L1

In response, all customers will be able to choose one of three options:...

 Wait what?! A pre-order from a company that claims not to deal in pre-orders?

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We created a Legend in the bitcoin community: no pre-orders, on time shipping, even pre-shipping. We are earning more and more trust from our worldwide customers.

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December 22, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
Lot more you say?
USB Block Erupter, Block Erupter, something mini (don't remember what was that), Tube, Prisma, Prisma 2.0 - six what I can remember. Maybe someone will add to this list.
Antminer: S1, S2, S3, S3+, S4, S5 - six...

EDIT: And propably those blades that was going to submerge cooling facilities where different than normal Block Erupters.

Bitmain sold more than those.. U3 (USB Miner), That pod miner (not sure the model), L1 (Scrypt). You really think AM sells anywhere near the amount of miners that Bitmain does? AM sold a lot early on then not much there after. Plus most of what AM sold were simple USB miners..a lot less can go wrong with those..
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December 22, 2014, 03:14:23 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
Lot more you say?
USB Block Erupter, Block Erupter, something mini (don't remember what was that), Tube, Prisma, Prisma 2.0 - six what I can remember. Maybe someone will add to this list.
Antminer: S1, S2, S3, S3+, S4, S5 - six...

EDIT: And propably those blades that was going to submerge cooling facilities where different than normal Block Erupters.

Bitmain sold more than those.. U3 (USB Miner), That pod miner (not sure the model), L1 (Scrypt). You really think AM sells anywhere near the amount of miners that Bitmain does? AM sold a lot early on then not much there after.

i've a feeling that the S5 is going to go the same way.. the blind loyals will buy batch1 then not much else

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December 22, 2014, 03:17:25 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
Lot more you say?
USB Block Erupter, Block Erupter, something mini (don't remember what was that), Tube, Prisma, Prisma 2.0 - six what I can remember. Maybe someone will add to this list.
Antminer: S1, S2, S3, S3+, S4, S5 - six...

EDIT: And propably those blades that was going to submerge cooling facilities where different than normal Block Erupters.

Bitmain sold more than those.. U3 (USB Miner), That pod miner (not sure the model), L1 (Scrypt). You really think AM sells anywhere near the amount of miners that Bitmain does? AM sold a lot early on then not much there after.

i've a feeling that the S5 is going to go the same way.. the blind loyals will buy batch1 then not much else

The only hardware that has dropped lately that I am impressed with is SP-Tech. I used to not bother due to their prices, but now they are getting competitive. If AM can release a working Prisma 2.0 that doesn't have issues and they support it...it should do well.

EDIT: Selling miners in general is fading out anyways..
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December 22, 2014, 03:18:24 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
Lot more you say?
USB Block Erupter, Block Erupter, something mini (don't remember what was that), Tube, Prisma, Prisma 2.0 - six what I can remember. Maybe someone will add to this list.
Antminer: S1, S2, S3, S3+, S4, S5 - six...

EDIT: And propably those blades that was going to submerge cooling facilities where different than normal Block Erupters.

Bitmain sold more than those.. U3 (USB Miner), That pod miner (not sure the model), L1 (Scrypt). You really think AM sells anywhere near the amount of miners that Bitmain does? AM sold a lot early on then not much there after. Plus most of what AM sold were simple USB miners..a lot less can go wrong with those..

 They sold pre-orders for the L1 scrypt.  The L1 scrypt miner is dead.  Not delivered.  Yet to be refunded.
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December 22, 2014, 03:19:26 PM
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S5 is a new product. Also in a string design... Who knows, maybe there will be similiar issues with poping packages and fires...

If so you better believe they will be working with us day 1 an issue happens. Also Bitmain has released a lot more gear than AM has...they are more experienced.
Lot more you say?
USB Block Erupter, Block Erupter, something mini (don't remember what was that), Tube, Prisma, Prisma 2.0 - six what I can remember. Maybe someone will add to this list.
Antminer: S1, S2, S3, S3+, S4, S5 - six...

EDIT: And propably those blades that was going to submerge cooling facilities where different than normal Block Erupters.

Bitmain sold more than those.. U3 (USB Miner), That pod miner (not sure the model), L1 (Scrypt). You really think AM sells anywhere near the amount of miners that Bitmain does? AM sold a lot early on then not much there after. Plus most of what AM sold were simple USB miners..a lot less can go wrong with those..

 They sold pre-orders for the L1 scrypt.  The L1 scrypt miner is dead.  Not delivered.  Yet to be refunded.


I was shocked they bothered to make a Scrypt miner..
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December 22, 2014, 03:22:00 PM
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I tend to give AM a hard time due to my experiences with them, but I really do hope they can release a good product this time. I like the idea of AM they just need to fix a few things. I just do not get why they can not get a Marketing guy and some support setup for their products. Most companies struggle with making a product and the others parts are simple. AM has the exact opposite problems..
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December 22, 2014, 03:31:33 PM
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This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

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I gotta say this is a tad uncalled for... FC has communicated more than ever (well except for the funding and early gen 1 period) over the last weeks or so. The 1/10 points at communication deserve at least something better Cheesy

Have a look through any of the product threads. Its been the same thing repeated for months and months, bad communication, customer support, technical support and impossible to get hold of anyone. It goes on for pages and pages and pages and pages across all the threads.

I think what dogie is confusing here is the difference between a product manufacturer and an interent formus user.
When you purchase an item from a manufacturer, they do not have a duty to be on hand 24/7 on a related, but separate from their own sales platform forum.
I do think dogie has been slightly harsh and I can actually see a h/w race which is pretty much neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck at the moment.

The real problem is that one user "Doggie" has so much power and influence over "ratings" - since he is the only one rating these companies it seems.  You can't really blame him for providing a service.  Since he's the only one, he becomes a bit of a dictator in a community that respects "decentralization", not tyranny.  The obvious solution would be for other Doggies to emerge and do their own ratings.   A better solution would be to set something up where the rating is a transparent forumula that takes as it's input ratings of various users.   Doggie's thread, and the way he can play God and make or break a company, always seemed ridiculously authoritarian and incompatible with bitcoin principals of democracy and plurality, etc.    
I mean, even if Doggie is a saint today; what's to stop him from selling his account to Spoondoolies or someone?  Centralization is not good.  Neither is authoritarianism.   Distrust anyone who decides to become an "authority".  Sorry Doggie, you seem like an all right guy, but I can't support what your doing.

 You make a valid argument though I wonder how many others would willingly take this task without the promise of remuneration?


Is dogie doing all these without remuneration ? I guess I have seen manufacturers sending him miner for free for a review. I might have been mistaken... so please correct me if I am wrong.

If you think India forum requires a moderator, please voice your opinion here - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3125174.0
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December 22, 2014, 04:26:46 PM
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This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

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I gotta say this is a tad uncalled for... FC has communicated more than ever (well except for the funding and early gen 1 period) over the last weeks or so. The 1/10 points at communication deserve at least something better Cheesy

Have a look through any of the product threads. Its been the same thing repeated for months and months, bad communication, customer support, technical support and impossible to get hold of anyone. It goes on for pages and pages and pages and pages across all the threads.

I think what dogie is confusing here is the difference between a product manufacturer and an interent formus user.
When you purchase an item from a manufacturer, they do not have a duty to be on hand 24/7 on a related, but separate from their own sales platform forum.
I do think dogie has been slightly harsh and I can actually see a h/w race which is pretty much neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck at the moment.

The real problem is that one user "Doggie" has so much power and influence over "ratings" - since he is the only one rating these companies it seems.  You can't really blame him for providing a service.  Since he's the only one, he becomes a bit of a dictator in a community that respects "decentralization", not tyranny.  The obvious solution would be for other Doggies to emerge and do their own ratings.   A better solution would be to set something up where the rating is a transparent forumula that takes as it's input ratings of various users.   Doggie's thread, and the way he can play God and make or break a company, always seemed ridiculously authoritarian and incompatible with bitcoin principals of democracy and plurality, etc.    
I mean, even if Doggie is a saint today; what's to stop him from selling his account to Spoondoolies or someone?  Centralization is not good.  Neither is authoritarianism.   Distrust anyone who decides to become an "authority".  Sorry Doggie, you seem like an all right guy, but I can't support what your doing.

 You make a valid argument though I wonder how many others would willingly take this task without the promise of remuneration?


Is dogie doing all these without remuneration ? I guess I have seen manufacturers sending him miner for free for a review. I might have been mistaken... so please correct me if I am wrong.

 I cannot answer that question.  However, it would surprise me if Dogie has received miners for maintaining the Manufacturer's Trustworthiness thread.
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December 22, 2014, 06:12:23 PM
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how many others would willingly take this task without the promise of remuneration?


Yeah, I said I don't blame Dogie for doing his service, it's a free market and anyone is welcome to do the same thing and compete.   That's very charitable of him if he gets nothing in return....

Who knows  Wink

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December 23, 2014, 02:23:56 AM
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This company's rating has been updated in the Manufacturer Trustworthiness thread.

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I gotta say this is a tad uncalled for... FC has communicated more than ever (well except for the funding and early gen 1 period) over the last weeks or so. The 1/10 points at communication deserve at least something better Cheesy

Have a look through any of the product threads. Its been the same thing repeated for months and months, bad communication, customer support, technical support and impossible to get hold of anyone. It goes on for pages and pages and pages and pages across all the threads.

I think what dogie is confusing here is the difference between a product manufacturer and an interent formus user.
When you purchase an item from a manufacturer, they do not have a duty to be on hand 24/7 on a related, but separate from their own sales platform forum.
I do think dogie has been slightly harsh and I can actually see a h/w race which is pretty much neck-and-neck-and-neck-and-neck at the moment.

The real problem is that one user "Doggie" has so much power and influence over "ratings" - since he is the only one rating these companies it seems.  You can't really blame him for providing a service.  Since he's the only one, he becomes a bit of a dictator in a community that respects "decentralization", not tyranny.  The obvious solution would be for other Doggies to emerge and do their own ratings.   A better solution would be to set something up where the rating is a transparent forumula that takes as it's input ratings of various users.   Doggie's thread, and the way he can play God and make or break a company, always seemed ridiculously authoritarian and incompatible with bitcoin principals of democracy and plurality, etc.    
I mean, even if Doggie is a saint today; what's to stop him from selling his account to Spoondoolies or someone?  Centralization is not good.  Neither is authoritarianism.   Distrust anyone who decides to become an "authority".  Sorry Doggie, you seem like an all right guy, but I can't support what your doing.

 You make a valid argument though I wonder how many others would willingly take this task without the promise of remuneration?


Is dogie doing all these without remuneration ? I guess I have seen manufacturers sending him miner for free for a review. I might have been mistaken... so please correct me if I am wrong.
dogie does receive miners from most manufacturers for a honest review (if the reviews were biased then he would not be as influential). His criteria is very transparent IMO and anyone should be able to come to the same conclusions as dogie assuming they have the same expertise and invest enough time looking into the same facts

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