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December 03, 2014, 05:50:27 PM
Last edit: December 03, 2014, 06:08:30 PM by jjdub7
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I agree that things need to change.  But, do you know more than us about the precise arrangement between AM and Rockminer for AMHash?  How do you know that Rockminer is getting paid to sell AMHash?

It makes no sense for Rockminer (a totally separate company) to sell AMHash shares for AM without getting paid to do so. Rockminer shareholders would get no benefit from such an arrangement.

Possible scenarios:
- Rockminer was the underwriter for the ipo and mops up unsold units.
- Rockminer is responsible for the deployment and operations of the mining farm and is paid for this, but amhash forum name and find are owned by AM.
- ? ? ?

(Still possible scenarios)
- ASICMINER has acquired a majority stake in Rockminer and incorporated the company as their hardware manufacturing unit and hashing operator?  (Honestly...this might be the best thing that could possibly happen to both companies right now... wonder if anyone has considered it?)

Why would they have opted to 'split' ROCKMINER off of ASICMiner back in March if they now incorporated it again. I don't buy that theory. It's an interesting thought, but nah... I don't think so.

Yeaaaa-no.  Never part of AM.  They do seem to design hardware pretty efficiently though...I have 4 of their little R-boxes, which use AM's BE-200's and they're quality if not small-scale miners.

The reason the above scenario would work for AM would be that acquiring RM would remedy two of AM's weaknesses over the past year - assembled hardware design and operations.  Rockxie is also a better hand at PR than friedcat.  

I only see economies of scale from such a merger.  Think...this industry is very similar to pharmaceuticals: high R&D and manufacturing/input material costs with a graded-segment (initially high/proprietary) market return.  Pharma companies grow mainly by merger and acquisition, by leveraging economies of skill and expertise to add value while cutting down on the overhead.

Plus, I mean with https://blockchain.info/tx/8b06f02c7ed75f511a40c4b32949eb3f23e6c638967315fe863532638eb8b131 already going on...what's the point of having two companies so closely aligned on the same EXACT supply chain?  Its not like AM makes all types of different crypto chips, just SHA-256, and both companies have the necessary intellectual capital to build full-scale hardware - if acquiring RM and having them focus on assembly and operations (including PR) would cut costs while retaining the sum of the market shares, it needs to be done now.


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December 03, 2014, 07:49:15 PM
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December 16 is to be expected for us to get the chips. Testing time varies at 3-10 days since we had much more preparation work already done this time.


Do you think that this AMHASH surprise has anything to do with the BE300 release&testing?

Less than two weeks until they get them...  Place your bets..  Red or Black?
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December 03, 2014, 08:05:34 PM
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December 16 is to be expected for us to get the chips. Testing time varies at 3-10 days since we had much more preparation work already done this time.


Do you think that this AMHASH surprise has anything to do with the BE300 release&testing?

Less than two weeks until they get them...  Place your bets..  Red or Black?
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Yeah.. the havelock email came in about 2 minutes after I hit post Smiley
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December 03, 2014, 10:11:33 PM
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Given AM's disasters with their chip/Prisma/Tube, let's hope they put in the winning bid at the HashFast IP auction tomorrow.

As a direct and indirect shareholder, I would hate to see KnC/BitFury/Cointerra beat them to 4th gen 16nm FinFET ASICS, especially when they have to opportunity to catch up by simply buying HF's GN2 design at a discount.


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December 03, 2014, 10:29:38 PM
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Given AM's disasters with their chip/Prisma/Tube, let's hope they put in the winning bid at the HashFast IP auction tomorrow.

As a direct and indirect shareholder, I would hate to see KnC/BitFury/Cointerra beat them to 4th gen 16nm FinFET ASICS, especially when they have to opportunity to catch up by simply buying HF's GN2 design at a discount.


That would be a crazy twist of events.   It's not going to happen, I think we both know that...
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December 04, 2014, 12:47:13 AM
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Given AM's disasters with their chip/Prisma/Tube, let's hope they put in the winning bid at the HashFast IP auction tomorrow.

As a direct and indirect shareholder, I would hate to see KnC/BitFury/Cointerra beat them to 4th gen 16nm FinFET ASICS, especially when they have to opportunity to catch up by simply buying HF's GN2 design at a discount.


That would be a crazy twist of events.   It's not going to happen, I think we both know that...

I'm interested. Why don't you think it will happen? You never know...  Wink

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December 04, 2014, 02:47:10 AM
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Good to hear they are compensating users with defective units
Kind of sad that there were so many that needed compensating.

Hmm so in AMhash no new units per a week greater dividend split

Next week
AMHASH3 will be the same price as AMHASH2.

Bonus GH/s Units will be provided to large buyers of the AMHASH3 Fund.

Official announcement today.

Guess its ok

As an aside difficulty went down for the first time in 2 YEARS

Bitcoin mining difficulty has decreased for the first time in two years. The minor 0.62% drop was observed yesterday and currently stands at 40,007,470,271, down from 40,300,030,238.

The difficulty level crossed the 40,000,000,000 mark late last month, peaking after several consecutive quarters of rapid growth. The 1,000,000,000 milestone was passed last December, while the last difficulty drop was recorded back in late 2012.
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-price-decline-sparks-rare-mining-difficulty-drop/
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December 04, 2014, 03:10:24 AM
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Given AM's disasters with their chip/Prisma/Tube, let's hope they put in the winning bid at the HashFast IP auction tomorrow.

As a direct and indirect shareholder, I would hate to see KnC/BitFury/Cointerra beat them to 4th gen 16nm FinFET ASICS, especially when they have to opportunity to catch up by simply buying HF's GN2 design at a discount.


That would be a crazy twist of events.   It's not going to happen, I think we both know that...

I'm interested. Why don't you think it will happen? You never know...  Wink

why buy someone else's IP?

The story given by asicminer was that the current gen of chips effectively came in at half of expectations, but for a reason they identified - presumably the next gen will be the same architecture but at the previously-promised ~0.4w/GH

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December 04, 2014, 03:32:51 AM
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why buy someone else's IP?

The story given by asicminer was that the current gen of chips effectively came in at half of expectations, but for a reason they identified - presumably the next gen will be the same architecture but at the previously-promised ~0.4w/GH

The latest info on gen 4 is that samples will be in hand around Dec 16th and have the following specs:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
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    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.
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December 04, 2014, 08:26:12 AM
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I think Icebreaker was talking about gen5.
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December 04, 2014, 08:30:27 AM
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I think Icebreaker was talking about gen5.

i think icebreaker is a HF shill.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=262052.msg9625227#msg9625227
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Yup...too much risk buying a "proprietary" design from a defunct business.  For all anyone knows, they could sell it to multiple parties without any regulation (unless there are actually patents and lawyers involved, though again, HF's balance sheet would indicate otherwise).

On a side note...it would appear as though someone is testing/sprint burning ~30 PH/s at odd intervals to directly impact (or even directly aim to set) the difficulty, and perhaps the fiat price.  There's no way those two enormous booms in hashrate centered around the 1st of November and now December have been due to aggregate luck alone.



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December 04, 2014, 02:35:20 PM
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Yup...too much risk buying a "proprietary" design from a defunct business.  For all anyone knows, they could sell it to multiple parties without any regulation (unless there are actually patents and lawyers involved, though again, HF's balance sheet would indicate otherwise).

On a side note...it would appear as though someone is testing/sprint burning ~30 PH/s at odd intervals to directly impact (or even directly aim to set) the difficulty, and perhaps the fiat price.  There's no way those two enormous booms in hashrate centered around the 1st of November and now December have been due to aggregate luck alone.


Of course it could be luck. You're talking about 504 block luck being ~6-7% higher than the 2014 block average. That's high, but hardly impossibly or even unlikely.
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Yup...too much risk buying a "proprietary" design from a defunct business.  For all anyone knows, they could sell it to multiple parties without any regulation (unless there are actually patents and lawyers involved, though again, HF's balance sheet would indicate otherwise).

On a side note...it would appear as though someone is testing/sprint burning ~30 PH/s at odd intervals to directly impact (or even directly aim to set) the difficulty, and perhaps the fiat price.  There's no way those two enormous booms in hashrate centered around the 1st of November and now December have been due to aggregate luck alone.


Of course it could be luck. You're talking about 504 block luck being ~6-7% higher than the 2014 block average. That's high, but hardly impossibly or even unlikely.

Perhaps you're right...it wasn't like the price swung either way to compensate, which assuming we're at an aggregate network marginal revenue = cost point, it should have (at least in a non-stochastic model, which...right).


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i think icebreaker is a HF shill.

...said the guy with a HUGE CHEESY ASICMINER PRISMA SIGNATURE AD...

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December 05, 2014, 02:01:03 AM
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Yup...too much risk buying a "proprietary" design from a defunct business.  For all anyone knows, they could sell it to multiple parties without any regulation (unless there are actually patents and lawyers involved, though again, HF's balance sheet would indicate otherwise).

On a side note...it would appear as though someone is testing/sprint burning ~30 PH/s at odd intervals to directly impact (or even directly aim to set) the difficulty, and perhaps the fiat price.  There's no way those two enormous booms in hashrate centered around the 1st of November and now December have been due to aggregate luck alone.


I don't think anyone just turns on and off 30 ph
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December 05, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
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i think icebreaker is a HF shill.

...said the guy with a HUGE CHEESY ASICMINER PRISMA SIGNATURE AD...

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And? Care to elaborate why hdbuck's signature has anything to do with you being a HF shill, fucktard?
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Thought I read somewhere that the site in that reddit post is a scam...
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