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November 27, 2014, 10:38:30 PM
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sure, we had loads of miners sat on the shelves doing nothing...

do you even engage your brain, or you just open your mouth and let the sh!t fall out ?


Yes.

I do not wonder , no.
I know some got sold, some got made into miners, and some chips are waiting for more money to be available to turn them into miners.
All that info is here and on havelock.

No great mystery.

You are too naive.

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November 28, 2014, 02:40:20 AM
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Another planned appearance by AM :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=833704.msg9677514#msg9677514

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November 28, 2014, 03:04:07 AM
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It looks like this is already on... cool, but...I would really like to see a full translated transcript of what gets said. The last one, where Friedcat spoke, I only found the most cursory english version of events... I still have a few questions about that one in July...

The sign on the booth looks like it says "Basic miner" isn't there already a basic miner? Is this just an oversight by whomever designed the signage?

Not that any of this really matters a ton. Good to see this, looking forward to whatever news comes out.
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November 28, 2014, 06:44:24 AM
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Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.
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November 28, 2014, 07:21:48 AM
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    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

I don't understand the numbers.  So it's 6GH/s per chip at 0.343W/GH, but for mass production the chips get better speed and lower power consumption. How will they do this? New mask?

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November 28, 2014, 09:44:29 AM
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Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.

So these chips are smaller than the BE200, and also have fewer GH/s compared to the BE200, but are expected to have much better power efficiency.

Does this open up the possibility of putting these chips on USB sticks again? It seems that even two chips could be built into a usb stick and still have low enough power consumption.

On the flip slide, I expect this also means that the BE300 chips are not compatible with the BE200 chips with respect to pinouts and package, as friedcat stated would be likely, back in june?

Finally, I'm also confused regarding the difference in GH/s per chip and power consumption before and during mass production.

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November 28, 2014, 10:24:52 AM
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My dividend finally turned up.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7a0fa53dbce2d1c29630ea4c037f119b9099fe3e6f459c11dc4eed30a9b09e12

Sending address: https://blockchain.info/address/1HgTJED7XEGy4vVwKa8kgefWqUB3VRX2mW

Looks like I got a special transaction all to myself so my email must have helped fix it. Thanks friedcat. Smiley

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November 28, 2014, 11:15:09 AM
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    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

I don't understand the numbers.  So it's 6GH/s per chip at 0.343W/GH, but for mass production the chips get better speed and lower power consumption. How will they do this? New mask?
I'm quessing 4(2?) dies on one substrate (bigger package) lowered voltage and clock and... voila.

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November 28, 2014, 12:09:51 PM
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That Laxo Trade spammer is sending 1000 satoshis all the time, all over the place, and none of their tx failed. Some fountains send even lesser amounts.

I don't think that threshold thing happened here - more likely not all shares are connected to the right addresses yet. That's why this div was - to clear out the shareholding status. So, check your address, and if the div is not there, clear that out with FC.

Laxo is sending 10000 Satoshis as far as I know. What you remember is maybe from before the introduction of the dust threshold in 0.8.2? Faucets and fountains were mostly killed by this, see for example http://bitcoin.lift-institute.com/killing-the-dust/
https://blockchain.info/tx/b30679bf3c688ad8f8b674a25c33399be23234934a488c04b8666f9486c1e5f3
0.00001000 btc, september 2014, long after v0.8.2

many outputs like this, put in a single tx - same way AM sends out divs.

Interesting. I have no idea how they are able to do that - they shouldn't be. Thanks for this, I will investigate. Maybe they use their own miner?

@all others: sorry for going OT so much, will stop now. Smiley
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November 28, 2014, 12:28:23 PM
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Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Quite interesting. If I am not mistaken, FCLGA is flip-chip land grid array. What this means is basically a package as we know from Intel and AMD processors: FC means that die is soldered and then glued on a mini-PCB (called "substrate"). LGA means that this mini-PCB has pins that go into a socket on the main electronics board.

As said by Dexter770221, that it's flip-chip might explain the difference in testing vs. mass production: they simply stick multiple dies on one substrate. (This is, by the way, what Hashfast has been doing, but please don't tell Icebreaker Wink )

Fun fact about LGA: it gives you the opportunity to make the substrates swappable, similar to what we know from Intel and AMD. A reaction to their problems with chips burning? A way for future upgrade which allows you to keep the base miner and just buy a new generation of chips from AM every few months? Who knows. Smiley


Intel Core I3 FC-LGA with two dies on a substrate. This thing is of course swappable, but might be also soldered onto the board (ie, in notebooks).

Some refs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flip_chip
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_grid_array
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November 28, 2014, 01:50:28 PM
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So the companies name is "Basic Miner" now?  Haha, jk Smiley  Keep up the good work guys!
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November 28, 2014, 04:22:04 PM
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I'm glad to see FC hasn't completely forgotten about shareholders. Does anyone know if he still reads/accepts PM requests here to change dividend payment addresses? I have two addresses I'd like to consolidate into one.

I did a transfer from havelock to direct and it was acked within two weeks by email by friedcat
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November 28, 2014, 06:06:55 PM
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Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.

So these chips are smaller than the BE200, and also have fewer GH/s compared to the BE200, but are expected to have much better power efficiency.

Does this open up the possibility of putting these chips on USB sticks again? It seems that even two chips could be built into a usb stick and still have low enough power consumption.

On the flip slide, I expect this also means that the BE300 chips are not compatible with the BE200 chips with respect to pinouts and package, as friedcat stated would be likely, back in june?

Finally, I'm also confused regarding the difference in GH/s per chip and power consumption before and during mass production.



I would love to see usb miners again...
Those things sold like hotcakes...

meh, does the bitmain U3s sold good? could it even compete with them? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827356.0
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November 28, 2014, 06:34:08 PM
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6gh per chip? why so low

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November 28, 2014, 07:15:12 PM
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meh, does the bitmain U3s sold good? could it even compete with them? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827356.0

Those require a power supply. A usb miner would definitely be more appealing for beginners/hobbyists.
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November 28, 2014, 07:29:56 PM
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My dividend finally turned up.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7a0fa53dbce2d1c29630ea4c037f119b9099fe3e6f459c11dc4eed30a9b09e12

Sending address: https://blockchain.info/address/1HgTJED7XEGy4vVwKa8kgefWqUB3VRX2mW

Looks like I got a special transaction all to myself so my email must have helped fix it. Thanks friedcat. Smiley

What email did you use to contact friedcat? I tried a PM via bitcointalk but I got no response.

Always use escrow. OgNasty is pretty sweet.

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November 28, 2014, 08:34:33 PM
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Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.

Are there folks that happen to know more about this elaborate on this further? Other than just being a little more efficient than BE200, it doesn't seem like that great of an improvement for a die shrink (40nm -> 28nm). Please excuse my ignorance, I'm more of a biochemist and not familiar with the specifics of chip R&D.
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November 28, 2014, 09:43:21 PM
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My dividend finally turned up.

https://blockchain.info/tx/7a0fa53dbce2d1c29630ea4c037f119b9099fe3e6f459c11dc4eed30a9b09e12

Sending address: https://blockchain.info/address/1HgTJED7XEGy4vVwKa8kgefWqUB3VRX2mW

Looks like I got a special transaction all to myself so my email must have helped fix it. Thanks friedcat. Smiley

What email did you use to contact friedcat? I tried a PM via bitcointalk but I got no response.

fnnirvana@gmail.com - I didn't get a reply, still haven't even now, but apparently it does get read.

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November 28, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
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Update

Some details of BE300:

Process: tsmc 28nm hpc

Package: fclga (5mm x 5mm)

Normal Mode:
    0.7v vdd
    6gh/s per chip
    8gh/s-12gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.343w/g on chip
    ~0.3w/g on chip for mass production

Low Power Mode:
    0.55v vdd
    4.5gh/s per chip
    6gh/s-9gh/s per chip for mass production
    0.225w/g on chip
    ~0.2w/g on chip for mass production

The schedule of BE300 producing: First batch production will be done next Feb.

Are there folks that happen to know more about this elaborate on this further? Other than just being a little more efficient than BE200, it doesn't seem like that great of an improvement for a die shrink (40nm -> 28nm). Please excuse my ignorance, I'm more of a biochemist and not familiar with the specifics of chip R&D.

0.2-0.343 w/gh is not "a little more efficient".
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November 28, 2014, 11:18:46 PM
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meh, does the bitmain U3s sold good? could it even compete with them? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=827356.0

Those require a power supply. A usb miner would definitely be more appealing for beginners/hobbyists.

well then, im not so sure its a good idea anyway. we are a little over beginners and usbminers.
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