ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[iCEBREAKER]

I strongly advise AM to compete in the Dec 6 auction for HashFast's 28nm GN1/1.5 and 16nm 16nm ASIC designs.

16nm is a very expensive scale to design/fabricate at.  AM would be wise to acquire HF's 16nm IP and use it to surpass KnC, Cointerra, and Bitfury in leading edge innovation, rather than start from scratch and pay full market price to compete in the 4th gen ASIC space.

Why you think AM would buy the IP for a 28nm chip that doesn't even compete with their own 40nm chip is beyond me.

Many things are "beyond you" Jimmothy, because you are a twit with poor reading skills.

For example, you completely missed my points about HF's 16nm IP, and myopically focused only on the 28nm stuff.

Has AM already paid for their 28nm tape-out?  If they haven't, that's a few million dollars (and a lot of risk) they could save by purchasing a known-good 28nm design instead.  The GN1.5 respin and 16nm GN2 nextgen are just extra gravy on top.

[jimmothy]

For example, you completely missed my points about HF's 16nm IP, and myopically focused only on the 28nm stuff.

No you completely missed my point. If AM's 40nm chip outperforms HF 28nm chip, then AM's 16nm chip will without a doubt outperform HF's 16nm chip.

That is assuming the hashfail chip even works without requiring a few million dollars worth of NRE/revisions/etc.

Has AM already paid for their 28nm tape-out?  If they haven't, that's a few million dollars (and a lot of risk) they could save by purchasing a known-good 28nm design instead.  The GN1.5 respin and 16nm GN2 nextgen are just extra gravy on top.

If you weren't a twit with poor reading skills you would have known they taped out 2 months ago.

Again it's laughable that you consider HF GN1 a "known good design" when it is outperformed by every chip being sold today.

You were scammed by HF. Your money is gone. Stop trying to sell people garbage in an attempt to salvage pennies on the dollar.

[iCEBREAKER]

For example, you completely missed my points about HF's 16nm IP, and myopically focused only on the 28nm stuff.

No you completely missed my point. If AM's 40nm chip outperforms HF 28nm chip, then AM's 16nm chip will without a doubt outperform HF's 16nm chip.

That is assuming the hashfail chip even works without requiring a few million dollars worth of NRE/revisions/etc.

Has AM already paid for their 28nm tape-out?  If they haven't, that's a few million dollars (and a lot of risk) they could save by purchasing a known-good 28nm design instead.  The GN1.5 respin and 16nm GN2 nextgen are just extra gravy on top.

If you weren't a twit with poor reading skills you would have known they taped out 2 months ago.

Again it's laughable that you consider HF GN1 a "known good design" when it is outperformed by every chip being sold today.

You were scammed by HF. Your money is gone. Stop trying to sell people garbage in an attempt to salvage pennies on the dollar.

AM's 40nm design missed its spec by a lot.  HF's GN1 28nm exceeded it's spec and the GN1.5 respin will be even better.

As for GH/wafer, I don't think either of us knows which is superior.  But I'm sure you will pretend you do, just to be a Negative Nancy as usual.   

I don't submit every page in this thread to my superior reading skills, that's why I asked about AM's tape-out.

Regardless, the battle for 4th gen ASIC dominance is happening at 16nm.  HF's 3d finFET GN2 design is just waiting for a firm like AM to buy it and put it to work.  Does AM have any provisional patents?  HF does...

[hdbuck]

For example, you completely missed my points about HF's 16nm IP, and myopically focused only on the 28nm stuff.

No you completely missed my point. If AM's 40nm chip outperforms HF 28nm chip, then AM's 16nm chip will without a doubt outperform HF's 16nm chip.

That is assuming the hashfail chip even works without requiring a few million dollars worth of NRE/revisions/etc.

Has AM already paid for their 28nm tape-out?  If they haven't, that's a few million dollars (and a lot of risk) they could save by purchasing a known-good 28nm design instead.  The GN1.5 respin and 16nm GN2 nextgen are just extra gravy on top.

If you weren't a twit with poor reading skills you would have known they taped out 2 months ago.

Again it's laughable that you consider HF GN1 a "known good design" when it is outperformed by every chip being sold today.

You were scammed by HF. Your money is gone. Stop trying to sell people garbage in an attempt to salvage pennies on the dollar.

AM's 40nm design missed its spec by a lot.  HF's GN1 28nm exceeded it's spec and the GN1.5 respin will be even better.

As for GH/wafer, I don't think either of us knows which is superior.  But I'm sure you will pretend you do, just to be a Negative Nancy as usual.  

I don't submit every page in this thread to my superior reading skills, that's why I asked about AM's tape-out.

Regardless, the battle for 4th gen ASIC dominance is happening at 16nm.  HF's 3d finFET GN2 design is just waiting for a firm like AM to buy it and put it to work.  Does AM have any provisional patents?  HF does...

pure noob question here but if HF patent is so kul, why they selling it instead of producing?? i mean, not that previous HF chips missed their spec too..

[iCEBREAKER]

pure noob question here but if HF patent is so kul, why they selling it instead of producing?? i mean, not that previous HF chips missed their spec too..

There were no "previous HF chips."

HF only made one chip, and it greatly exceeded spec (400GH spec vs 750GH given enough power).

Then they ran out of money.  Their misfortune is providing AM with the opportunity to catch up and dominate the 16nm frontier.

[jimmothy]

AM's 40nm design missed its spec by a lot.  HF's GN1 28nm exceeded it's spec and the GN1.5 respin will be even better.

The fact that AM failed and still came out with a superior chip is quite the achievement.

As for GH/wafer, I don't think either of us knows which is superior.  But I'm sure you will pretend you do, just to be a Negative Nancy as usual.   

Without a doubt hashfast has better GH/wafer. But because it requires an expensive board/cooling it is not competitive. Even if the chip was free I doubt they could sell hardware for 1 btc/gh (at 0.7 w/gh).

Regardless, the battle for 4th gen ASIC dominance is happening at 16nm.  HF's 3d finFET GN2 design is just waiting for a firm like AM to buy it and put it to work.

By put to work I assume you mean completely redesign the chip/pcb and hope it works?

Does AM have any provisional patents?  HF does...

I'd love to know how HF acquired a "provisional patent" considering no such thing exists.

[hashie]

iCEBREAKER do you work for hashfail?!

[chriswilmer]

I'd love to know how HF acquired a "provisional patent" considering no such thing exists.

What do you mean provisional patents don't exist? People file provisional patents all the time (at least in the USA). Am I misunderstanding you?

[iCEBREAKER]

the battle for 4th gen ASIC dominance is happening at 16nm.  HF's 3d finFET GN2 design is just waiting for a firm like AM to buy it and put it to work.

By put to work I assume you mean completely redesign the chip/pcb and hope it works?

Does AM have any provisional patents?  HF does...

I'd love to know how HF acquired a "provisional patent" considering no such thing exists.

The 16nm GN2 chip/board designs haven't been finished yet, so I'm not sure how anyone could "redesign" them.  

And here, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=provisional+patent

[xhomerx10]

I'd love to know how HF acquired a "provisional patent" considering no such thing exists.

What do you mean provisional patents don't exist? People file provisional patents all the time (at least in the USA). Am I misunderstanding you?

 There is no such thing as a provisional patent.  There is however a provisional application.  This particular application expires after 12 months and does not automatically mature into a patent.  In fact, the PTO (patent and trademark office) does not examine provisional applications.  A regular application must be filed within 12 months of the provisional application AND the provisional application must contain sufficient support for the regular application.  If they didn't do the provisional correctly, it wont help you and also you are running out of time (perhaps have already) to file a regular application.

 

[CanaryInTheMine]

If all goes well with test/sample chips, prototype should be made by mid-December

[arnuschky]

If all goes well with test/sample chips, prototype should be made by mid-December

Just to clarify: you are speaking about ASICminer's gen4 here, right? Was that known before, and I just missed it, or is this new knowledge released by you Canary? If the latter, what's your source?

Got confused with all the Hashfast talk here.

[Dexter770221]

If all goes well with test/sample chips, prototype should be made by mid-December

Just to clarify: you are speaking about ASICminer's gen4 here, right? Was that known before, and I just missed it, or is this new knowledge released by you Canary? If the latter, what's your source?

Got confused with all the Hashfast talk here.

Few pages back FC said that tape out of Gen4 is done and they expecting chips December 16th.

[arnuschky]

If all goes well with test/sample chips, prototype should be made by mid-December

Just to clarify: you are speaking about ASICminer's gen4 here, right? Was that known before, and I just missed it, or is this new knowledge released by you Canary? If the latter, what's your source?

Got confused with all the Hashfast talk here.

Few pages back FC said that tape out of Gen4 is done and they expecting chips December 16th.

Thanks. I completely missed his Oct 24 post. This puts a lot more confidence in me, everything he said is quite reasonable and makes sense.

I am in for the long haul, so I don't care much about dividends. I much prefer ASICminer remaining afloat (and gen4 being solid) over receiving a bit of pocket money now. That they made mistakes in gen3 is unfortunate, but expected - everybody makes mistakes. Doesn't impact me considerably as an investor as long as the company's future is solid. If they won't learn from their mistakes, however, I am out.

[btcbot]

Divs!   

0.0000543

[EternalWingsofGod]

Divs!   

0.0000543

Was wondering why the share price went to 0.12 on the full shares
But I don't see the dividend announcment on havelock to confirm it was a test so not sure if it was a joke or legit
(Not holding any direct shares)

[Dexter770221]

Divs!   

0.0000543

If true, I'm surprised. I was expecting 1k satoshi at beginning of December...

[FUR11]

Divs!   

0.0000543

Was wondering why the share price went to 0.12 on the full shares
But I don't see the dividend announcment on havelock to confirm it was a test so not sure if it was a joke or legit
(Not holding any direct shares)

May take a couple minutes (hours). AM needs to pay the divs to everybody and as soon as the transactions are confirmed, Havelock is going to credit them to the shareholders of AM1 (and AM100) shares accordingly. Don't worry

[arnuschky]

Divs!   

0.0000543

So they really went for the minimum possible.

Funny that they fell for the old misinformation about the dust threshold being 5430 satoshis.
This means that people with 1 share will not get a dividend, as the transaction will be rejected.

[runam0k]

Test div just landed on Havelock.