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Burnside was a good operator far less sketch than some other exchanges
Cough Bitfunder and Weexchange ...
It does make me wonder a bit more about havelock, I wouldn't worry about Mircea that Romanian can hold Her own (lol) and the guy that actually runs mpex has more than enough backups including his Tor one etc.

Jon Montroll, owner of weexchange was way past sketchy: the guy is a criminal. He stole over 5000 btc of his depositors money and absconded with a bunch of loans, never even giving an excuse. Hate this guy so much.

Burnsides SeC ruling worries me on Havelock's operating status. The SeC is basically the banking elites' monopoly enforcement agency , and have a global reach, so at least for American users there must be at least some reason for concern? The SEC is pretty much effectively above the law because they make the law on these matters, any threat to the Big Scam of the endless money machine their masters control will be quickly shutdown (its only the small scale of btc securities that have saved it so far
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Regarding the recent share price increase (about 50% in the last few days, this is a big deal) I'm taking this as a very good sign regarding gen4, there is definitely some news that hasn't hit us yet. It could be just market manipulation, but I don't think so, because if there wasn't big news we haven't heard yet, then I think the guy with a few hundred shares would be too over exposed at .15 share price if there was no good foundation, because the price would quickly rebound to a more reasonably .10 and loose more money than gained IMHO.  I suppose it is possible its just one guy mostly buying and selling shares to himself...

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December 09, 2014, 08:27:34 PM
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Burnside was an American, so unless an American is running Havelock then there likely wont be much to worry about
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As was saying, sec is not limited to US. And at the least they could block any American users from using Havelock, which I'm assuming is where a good chunk of the userbase is from.

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December 09, 2014, 08:38:23 PM
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Burnside was an American, so unless an American is running Havelock then there likely wont be much to worry about

False.  You must have gotten into Bitcoin after the GLBSE fiasco.

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December 09, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
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As was saying, sec is not limited to US. And at the least they could block any American users from using Havelock, which I'm assuming is where a good chunk of the userbase is from.

Im quite sure havelock is legally obligated (under US law) to make sure its customers are not US citizens. The same applies to pretty much any industrialized country btw.

Unless the operators of havelock have no intention of ever leaving Panama, they would be very unwise to not comply if/when the SEC tells them. And when that happens, well, we've seen it all before when exchanges start demanding proof of ID/residency.
 
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As was saying, sec is not limited to US. And at the least they could block any American users from using Havelock, which I'm assuming is where a good chunk of the userbase is from.

Im quite sure havelock is legally obligated (under US law) to make sure its customers are not US citizens. The same applies to pretty much any industrialized country btw.

Unless the operators of havelock have no intention of ever leaving Panama, they would be very unwise to not comply if/when the SEC tells them. And when that happens, well, we've seen it all before when exchanges start demanding proof of ID/residency.
 

Provide source to back up your claim.

HaveLock operation does NOT comply with US/EU laws. Any company, whose stock is trading on HaveLock, is doing illegal business. HaveLock is awaiting the same fate of GLBSE.

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December 09, 2014, 09:14:03 PM
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Provide source to back up your claim.

HaveLock operation does NOT comply with US/EU laws. Any company, whose stock is trading on HaveLock, is doing illegal business. HaveLock is awaiting the same fate of GLBSE.

Reading comprehension isnt your strong suit is it? Reread what I wrote you moron.
Probably those blinders you are wearing thinking I was a havelock shill?
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December 10, 2014, 08:14:08 AM
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Gen4 reporting on board:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888260.0

But why bother to announce it on hardware section since friendcat don't want to provide samples. Maybe there would be more miners based on BE200 not only foulty prismas...

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December 10, 2014, 08:17:59 AM
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Gen4 reporting on board:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888260.0

But why bother to announce it on hardware section since friendcat don't want to provide samples. Maybe there would be more miners based on BE200 not only foulty prismas...

i don't see your point... if AM can't do proper sample testing themselves, then they really shouldn't be in the game. no?

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December 10, 2014, 08:39:56 AM
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Gen4 reporting on board:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=888260.0

But why bother to announce it on hardware section since friendcat don't want to provide samples. Maybe there would be more miners based on BE200 not only foulty prismas...

FC is so stoked with his new chip and the chaining board that he had to blog about them
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December 10, 2014, 09:07:07 AM
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Shouldn't we all be super stoked right now?

We produced the test boards in December 2nd, and got the packaged sample chips last night.
We were busy testing since then and had some preliminary data already.

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But the test results are stable and solid so far.

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After the thorough testing of single chip boards, we are going to test boards with chained chips.
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December 10, 2014, 09:52:21 AM
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Shouldn't we all be super stoked right now?

Certainly its better news than 'the chip doesnt work', but these are a few samples on a shared multiproject wafer. The idea is to be able to tweak the design before producing a full mask set. That means that mask set isnt done yet, and it will probably be 3+ months before production chips arrive if they were ordered today.

At least bitfury and spondoolies promised 0.2J/GH at the wall late this year or early next year (and twice that efficiency next year). Assuming they, or bitmain or anyone else, can achieve that, AM will be a fews months behind and with worse efficiency (*). Hardly a better competitive situation than BE200 was in, and that wasnt exactly a commercial slam dunk.

Its a shame friedcat didnt trust his design enough to go for full mask sets directly, that would have been something to be "super stoked" about. Now, its mostly a matter of hoping the competition doesnt meet its goals.

(*) numbers are still being updated and probably relate to few, possibly just 1 chip, so they may still change.

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December 10, 2014, 09:57:08 AM
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Shouldn't we all be super stoked right now?

Certainly its better news than 'the chip doesnt work', but these are a few samples on a shared multiproject wafer. The idea is to be able to tweak the design before producing a full mask set. That means that mask set isnt done yet, and it will probably be 3+ months before production chips arrive if they were ordered today.

At least bitfury and spondoolies promised 0.2J/GH at the wall late this year or early next year (and twice that efficiency next year). Assuming they, or bitmain or anyone else, can achieve that, AM will be a fews months behind and with worse efficiency (*). Hardly a better competitive situation than BE200 was in, and that wasnt exactly a commercial slam dunk.

Its a shame friedcat didnt trust his design enough to go for full mask sets directly, that would have been something to be "super stoked" about. Now, its mostly a matter of hoping the competition doesnt meet its goals.

(*) numbers are still being updated and probably relate to few, possibly just 1 chip, so they may still change.



invariably, as we all know, this industry is never a one-horse race. All good points made above, but for this GEN however, it may well boil down to who gets first out the traps. That said, having samples to test does no way go the length to offer a best buy, just yet.

interesting times ahead.


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December 10, 2014, 10:04:43 AM
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Gen 4 looking great so far, bulk chips due feb ish if I recall correctly.
And prepping for smaller node size already underway...

Im a happy camper.
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December 10, 2014, 11:32:43 AM
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FC previously announced news might come around this date and now he really is back with the news. Definitely, this is an improvement Smiley
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December 10, 2014, 11:52:18 AM
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invariably, as we all know, this industry is never a one-horse race. All good points made above, but for this GEN however, it may well boil down to who gets first out the traps. That said, having samples to test does no way go the length to offer a best buy, just yet.

interesting times ahead.

I think AM will be first on the scene with their 4th gen chips, with Spondoolies about a month or two behind with their next gen.

Update
14nm/16nm projects are at pre-evaluation and pre-design stage. It has to be done
in 2015 but the starting time of placing orders depends on overall gain vs (NRE/R&D/risks).
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The mass production time of BE300 in terms of chip-out date is February to March, 2015.

From this CCN interview with Spondoolies:

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Could you tell CCN about what we can expect in the future from Spondoolies-Tech?

We have a very ambitious schedule in front of us.  In Q1, we will bring our next 28nm chip.  It has very ambitious specifications. Then by the end of q2 we will have our 16nm chips, with out of dimension specification. We are looking to be the most significant manufacturer in the SHA-256 industry by the end of 2015.

So, it seems like AM will be first out with their next gen but it looks like Spondoolies or KNC will likely be first to 16nm.
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December 10, 2014, 12:49:52 PM
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invariably, as we all know, this industry is never a one-horse race. All good points made above, but for this GEN however, it may well boil down to who gets first out the traps. That said, having samples to test does no way go the length to offer a best buy, just yet.

interesting times ahead.

I think AM will be first on the scene with their 4th gen chips, with Spondoolies about a month or two behind with their next gen.

Update
14nm/16nm projects are at pre-evaluation and pre-design stage. It has to be done
in 2015 but the starting time of placing orders depends on overall gain vs (NRE/R&D/risks).
...
The mass production time of BE300 in terms of chip-out date is February to March, 2015.

From this CCN interview with Spondoolies:

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Could you tell CCN about what we can expect in the future from Spondoolies-Tech?

We have a very ambitious schedule in front of us.  In Q1, we will bring our next 28nm chip.  It has very ambitious specifications. Then by the end of q2 we will have our 16nm chips, with out of dimension specification. We are looking to be the most significant manufacturer in the SHA-256 industry by the end of 2015.

So, it seems like AM will be first out with their next gen but it looks like Spondoolies or KNC will likely be first to 16nm.

I hope they stick with bulk chip sales this time and not bother to make miners. It seems like the miners made by RM and xBtec were pretty good quality wise.
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December 10, 2014, 01:17:25 PM
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invariably, as we all know, this industry is never a one-horse race. All good points made above, but for this GEN however, it may well boil down to who gets first out the traps. That said, having samples to test does no way go the length to offer a best buy, just yet.

interesting times ahead.

I think AM will be first on the scene with their 4th gen chips, with Spondoolies about a month or two behind with their next gen.


On this occasion, i have no insider knowledge as I did with KfC bungled attempt at 20nm, but here is my take on it.

FC was always going to want to be first to announce here, due to the fact that their shares are of public interest to members here and early announcements are beneficial to the price of the shares.

Other companies will not need to give out any info prior to an actual miner being launched, and because of this, as ever, i'd expect a very close time scale between Bitmain, Bitfury, AM and SP-Tech to market. (forget KNC - theirs specs will not be competitive).

Batch chips are likely to be baked and ready for all four, by latest, March 2015 and from that point, the real race will be to bring a miner to market.
If AM decide to just sell chips and not build, this may or may not work in their favour, depending on whether they are pushing for pre-orders of those chips.

IMHO, if AM does push manufacturers to pre-purchase, i feel that will show a slight lack of confidence that they can bring the best chip to market.
If they do not push pre-orders, i wish them well and look forwards to a closely run contest.

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December 10, 2014, 01:24:22 PM
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I sold off the last of my holdings today at BTC0.098 for a sad loss, and based on what I've read from customers (not to mention what I've not read from friedcat&co. due to an utter lack of communication), I've set my expectations for lower future sales based on the current pricing strategy accordingly.



Should have waited, could have sold for 50% more. AM1 sits at 0.15BTC/share as we speak.

I have a feeling someone was waiting for the type of volume I laid down...reeks of market manipulation.  Again, not to sound like RoadStress et al., but just read the Prisma thread to see where you should be pricing shares.  None of those ~0.15BTC asks were up earlier this morning...looks like someone cleared out the ask sheet to try and pick off a few gullible newbs for a profit.

Or.. Somebody knows something..  Shocked Grin


well well.. it seems somebody did know something afterall  Roll Eyes


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December 10, 2014, 02:33:02 PM
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Don't stick to solely selling chips! Try and do everything: Build and sell miners, sell chips, self-mine en masse, and sell cloud mining. Of course please delegate those things to competent people, maybe pursue the coalition with Rockminer or hire some new people who take care of the customers and sell the products so FC and the core-team can focus on the technical issues and deploy the hash rate.

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