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Author Topic: ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It  (Read 3888480 times)
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March 29, 2013, 07:07:47 PM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

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March 29, 2013, 07:14:08 PM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

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March 29, 2013, 07:17:57 PM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy
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March 29, 2013, 07:20:44 PM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

That would be much. It will be hard to get a good price for this then i believe. The $20000 for 66MH avalon at ebay wouldnt be met this way i believe. Even though you could buy such machine i believe very few could bid on this. Or the machines go away for low btc.

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March 29, 2013, 07:30:05 PM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

That would be much. It will be hard to get a good price for this then i believe. The $20000 for 66MH avalon at ebay wouldnt be met this way i believe. Even though you could buy such machine i believe very few could bid on this. Or the machines go away for low btc.

Avalon is 66-67 GH/s. So about 200 asicminer boards.
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March 29, 2013, 07:30:52 PM
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or maybe it's not really a board, but rather just one chip
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March 29, 2013, 07:35:23 PM
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It's 336 MH/s /chip Smiley

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March 29, 2013, 07:40:36 PM
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It's 336 MH/s /chip Smiley

Indeed, nearly got an heartattack reading 330 mh/s for those massive pcb's.

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March 29, 2013, 07:46:06 PM
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Do we have an idea of the density of mhash/s on the current boards?
We could kinda estimate the hashrate for smaller/any size pcb's that way.

To calculate this we'd need:
-size of the boards currently hashing
-amount of chips / board

knowing hashrate / chip = 336 mhash/s

Edit: Seems like 64 chips / pcb

Now we only need size of the board :-) any estimates?

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March 29, 2013, 08:54:14 PM
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Amount of noise unit generates is important concern for me and few guys I know, all of us aiming to become ASIC miners.

Why? Covert mining?

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March 29, 2013, 09:55:26 PM
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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.


Only problem with traditional datacenters is that the are spec'd out for much lower power density devices.. There aren't really any other computing devices that have this high power density. Even rack servers aren't nearly this dense. IE: You need way more power and cooling for the same amount of square footage.
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March 29, 2013, 10:21:14 PM
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AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

Oh, you got me... you spoke of boards so i thought in GH. But 0.33GH is small for one unit to sell only. I hope to hear something about from friedcat soon.

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March 29, 2013, 10:50:21 PM
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Amount of noise unit generates is important concern for me and few guys I know, all of us aiming to become ASIC miners.

Why? Covert mining?
Mining at home maybe. I love the word 'covert mining', makes me think of someone sneaking into a library or electronics store and mining..
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March 29, 2013, 11:52:08 PM
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was wondering, are there any ideas what ASICMINER will be doing in 2 years? expand? make higher efficiency chips? maybe this is a silly question, but I was wondering because I see this more like a long term investment
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March 30, 2013, 01:05:39 AM
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Does the asic rig really need professional grade ISP ? What prevent AM from renting apartment with electricity included and mine the shit out of it ?

Cooling, electrical availability, and security. Also, most apartment complexes forbid commercial use.

Lets take Avalon as an example, the numbers should be similar to ASICMINER boards due to similar tech.

A 3 module Avalon would need 600w to do 66gh. 600w on 120v is 5 amps. You can put 3 of these on a standard NEMA 5-15 120v line, or 15 amps to run 198gh. This is equivalent to 8 amps on Euro 230v, so you could plug 6 of these on a single circuit if you're using an appropriate 230v/30a circuit. This is also approximately 9 watts per gh.

This also means you need about 2050 BTU/hr cooling per unit. Home air conditioning units are usually low efficiency and non-redundant, and are often sold in 9000 or 12000 BTU sizes and are not meant to run 24/7. A 9000 BTU unit could service 3 units and could wear out during the course of a really hot summer. A 9000 BTU air conditioner could use 600 or more watts.

So, for every 3 units, you're using 1800 + 600w, or 20a on 120v, or to round up to the least common multiple between 15 and 20, 12 units would take 60a. 60a would be 4 circuits, or probably all an average apartment in the US has that isn't dedicated to water heater, heat/cooling, oven, or fridge.

In the US, an apartment, even a small one in a unpopulated area, could go for $1000-1500/mo. For that, you're getting no building security, having to pay for your own cooling, having to staff your own on site techs, for 12 units that do 792GH.

Instead, he could do business with a DC that handles high compute density customers, and pay $2000-2500/mo per rack, get 4 120v 20a circuits, security, redundant cooling, and on site techs as part of the cost, and given 9 watts per gh, and given 9600w per rack, you'd end up with about 1067gh or approximately 12 4 module Avalons or 16 3 module Avalons.

Given the shape of the Avalon case is approximately 4U and using 4 module Avalons you can put 1584gh physically into a single rack, given the 80a 120v budget, 1056gh, leaving 24U empty or 1/3rd of the rack or 2U in between each unit.


Only problem with traditional datacenters is that the are spec'd out for much lower power density devices.. There aren't really any other computing devices that have this high power density. Even rack servers aren't nearly this dense. IE: You need way more power and cooling for the same amount of square footage.

Oh, I completely agree. the company I'm trying to startup is focusing directly on customers like friedcat. Its very not easy, and its a somewhat niche market (many would be customers couldn't even afford to fill a rack).

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March 30, 2013, 01:12:14 AM
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AFAIK one board is about 330 MHash/s. That's the smallest it can get. I'd buy ten of them Cheesy

Oh, you got me... you spoke of boards so i thought in GH. But 0.33GH is small for one unit to sell only. I hope to hear something about from friedcat soon.
One chip is 330 MH/s, a board has many chips.
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March 30, 2013, 01:39:13 AM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

Speak for yourselves, I'd like a full rack the size of a refrigerator at minimum. 

Let BFL and Avalon make the rinky-dink consumer crap.  AM should make industrial shit with fat profit margins.  Go huge or go home!

Like IBM and Oracle, we need to be selling high-ticket Big Iron (and lucrative consulting) to deep-pocket commercial customers.  Not Joe Sixcoins.

Hoping for something trailer mounted as an upgrade, so I can haul them it to wherever power is cheapest.


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March 30, 2013, 01:47:40 AM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

Speak for yourselves, I'd like a full rack the size of a refrigerator at minimum. 

Let BFL and Avalon make the rinky-dink consumer crap.  AM should make industrial shit with fat profit margins.  Go huge or go home!

Like IBM and Oracle, we need to be selling high-ticket Big Iron (and lucrative consulting) to deep-pocket commercial customers.  Not Joe Sixcoins.

Hoping for something trailer mounted as an upgrade, so I can haul them it to wherever power is cheapest.


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Oh wow... i didnt know Asicminer developed new chips in 10000 nanometer... Smiley But looks cool... really...

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March 30, 2013, 02:22:16 AM
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ghahaha chainforker. You're hired.

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March 30, 2013, 04:34:06 AM
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Any info on the size of the devices that'll be made for sale? Or will it be devices like they're currently deploying? I think I'd love something smaller to deploy at home.

I hope it will be not too big because that would minimize the potential buyers because of the size of their wallets.

Speak for yourselves, I'd like a full rack the size of a refrigerator at minimum. 

Let BFL and Avalon make the rinky-dink consumer crap.  AM should make industrial shit with fat profit margins.  Go huge or go home!

Like IBM and Oracle, we need to be selling high-ticket Big Iron (and lucrative consulting) to deep-pocket commercial customers.  Not Joe Sixcoins.

Hoping for something trailer mounted as an upgrade, so I can haul them it to wherever power is cheapest.


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