arklan
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1008
|
|
April 07, 2013, 02:03:55 AM |
|
What sort of return would BTC75 worth of asicminer shares get someone if they invested today?
I'd say it would probably be a very reasonable return. I encourage you to thoroughly research the asset and do the math for yourself though. Don't blindly trust random people online . if you strictly want the math of BTC75 worth of shares x dividend - i think shares are selling at .7, lets call it .75 in case i'm wrong. so your looking at 56 shares, give or take. the last (admittedly small for reasons described in this thread) dividend was 0.00255553. so, 56 x 0.00255553 = BTC0.14310968 weekly. at current exchange rates, that's about $20 USD.
|
i don't post much, but this space for rent.
|
|
|
InstantBTC
|
|
April 07, 2013, 02:18:05 AM |
|
What sort of return would BTC75 worth of asicminer shares get someone if they invested today?
I'd say it would probably be a very reasonable return. I encourage you to thoroughly research the asset and do the math for yourself though. Don't blindly trust random people online . if you strictly want the math of BTC75 worth of shares x dividend - i think shares are selling at .7, lets call it .75 in case i'm wrong. so your looking at 56 shares, give or take. the last (admittedly small for reasons described in this thread) dividend was 0.00255553. so, 56 x 0.00255553 = BTC0.14310968 weekly. at current exchange rates, that's about $20 USD. I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him BTC1.91714900, which at current exchange rate would be approximately $275 USD. Like I said, very reasonable return. I just feel like it would be best if he did this math on his own and learned about the company so he can make an informed decision of his own.
|
|
|
|
arklan
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1008
|
|
April 07, 2013, 03:28:52 AM |
|
What sort of return would BTC75 worth of asicminer shares get someone if they invested today?
I'd say it would probably be a very reasonable return. I encourage you to thoroughly research the asset and do the math for yourself though. Don't blindly trust random people online . if you strictly want the math of BTC75 worth of shares x dividend - i think shares are selling at .7, lets call it .75 in case i'm wrong. so your looking at 56 shares, give or take. the last (admittedly small for reasons described in this thread) dividend was 0.00255553. so, 56 x 0.00255553 = BTC0.14310968 weekly. at current exchange rates, that's about $20 USD. I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him BTC1.91714900, which at current exchange rate would be approximately $275 USD. Like I said, very reasonable return. I just feel like it would be best if he did this math on his own and learned about the company so he can make an informed decision of his own. *blink blink* clearly, i fail at math.
|
i don't post much, but this space for rent.
|
|
|
InstantBTC
|
|
April 07, 2013, 04:14:01 AM |
|
What sort of return would BTC75 worth of asicminer shares get someone if they invested today?
I'd say it would probably be a very reasonable return. I encourage you to thoroughly research the asset and do the math for yourself though. Don't blindly trust random people online . if you strictly want the math of BTC75 worth of shares x dividend - i think shares are selling at .7, lets call it .75 in case i'm wrong. so your looking at 56 shares, give or take. the last (admittedly small for reasons described in this thread) dividend was 0.00255553. so, 56 x 0.00255553 = BTC0.14310968 weekly. at current exchange rates, that's about $20 USD. I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him BTC1.91714900, which at current exchange rate would be approximately $275 USD. Like I said, very reasonable return. I just feel like it would be best if he did this math on his own and learned about the company so he can make an informed decision of his own. *blink blink* clearly, i fail at math. Lol, it's okay, we all have those days .
|
|
|
|
JordanL
Donator
Sr. Member
Offline
Activity: 294
Merit: 250
|
|
April 07, 2013, 04:38:12 AM |
|
What sort of return would BTC75 worth of asicminer shares get someone if they invested today?
I'd say it would probably be a very reasonable return. I encourage you to thoroughly research the asset and do the math for yourself though. Don't blindly trust random people online . if you strictly want the math of BTC75 worth of shares x dividend - i think shares are selling at .7, lets call it .75 in case i'm wrong. so your looking at 56 shares, give or take. the last (admittedly small for reasons described in this thread) dividend was 0.00255553. so, 56 x 0.00255553 = BTC0.14310968 weekly. at current exchange rates, that's about $20 USD. I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him BTC1.91714900, which at current exchange rate would be approximately $275 USD. Like I said, very reasonable return. I just feel like it would be best if he did this math on his own and learned about the company so he can make an informed decision of his own. *blink blink* clearly, i fail at math. I prefer your math... I think everyone should sell ASICMINER shares cheap now!! On an unrelated note, anyone who wants to sell ASICMINER shares below exchange prices, please PM me.
|
|
|
|
arklan
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1008
|
|
April 07, 2013, 06:02:10 AM |
|
What sort of return would BTC75 worth of asicminer shares get someone if they invested today?
I'd say it would probably be a very reasonable return. I encourage you to thoroughly research the asset and do the math for yourself though. Don't blindly trust random people online . if you strictly want the math of BTC75 worth of shares x dividend - i think shares are selling at .7, lets call it .75 in case i'm wrong. so your looking at 56 shares, give or take. the last (admittedly small for reasons described in this thread) dividend was 0.00255553. so, 56 x 0.00255553 = BTC0.14310968 weekly. at current exchange rates, that's about $20 USD. I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him BTC1.91714900, which at current exchange rate would be approximately $275 USD. Like I said, very reasonable return. I just feel like it would be best if he did this math on his own and learned about the company so he can make an informed decision of his own. *blink blink* clearly, i fail at math. I prefer your math... I think everyone should sell ASICMINER shares cheap now!! On an unrelated note, anyone who wants to sell ASICMINER shares below exchange prices, please PM me. says you! i only have ONE! yes, ONE share. shut up.
|
i don't post much, but this space for rent.
|
|
|
JimiQ84
|
|
April 07, 2013, 01:31:30 PM |
|
Dropped down to 6 TH/s on btcguild after getting at least as high as 7.1, let's hope that hash power has moved to another pool.
Now it's at 7,19. Another rise probably. Let's hope it stops at 12 :-)
|
|
|
|
Hawkix
|
|
April 07, 2013, 02:15:24 PM |
|
I HOPE that ASICMINER will soon move out of BTCGuild! It should set up its own pool and go "solo". Its unhealthy for the network.
|
|
|
|
BlackPrapor
|
|
April 07, 2013, 02:23:33 PM |
|
I HOPE that ASICMINER will soon move out of BTCGuild! It should set up its own pool and go "solo". Its unhealthy for the network.
ASICMINER needs to show everyone how much they're hashing, for different purposes. The easiest way to do that, is to mine on the pool.
|
There is no place like 127.0.0.1 In blockchain we trust
|
|
|
Hawkix
|
|
April 07, 2013, 03:48:56 PM Last edit: April 07, 2013, 04:51:09 PM by Hawkix |
|
I HOPE that ASICMINER will soon move out of BTCGuild! It should set up its own pool and go "solo". Its unhealthy for the network.
ASICMINER needs to show everyone how much they're hashing, for different purposes. The easiest way to do that, is to mine on the pool. They can put its signature into block they create, like many pools do. Then, blockchain.info or any other service will show up "ASICMINER" blocks, even in the graphs. Simple and easy. Plus, all investors can get about 3-5 % more for not paying the pool fees.
|
|
|
|
SebastianJu
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2674
Merit: 1083
Legendary Escrow Service - Tip Jar in Profile
|
|
April 07, 2013, 03:54:00 PM |
|
I HOPE that ASICMINER will soon move out of BTCGuild! It should set up its own pool and go "solo". Its unhealthy for the network.
ASICMINER needs to show everyone how much they're hashing, for different purposes. The easiest way to do that, is to mine on the pool. The can put its signature into block they create, like many pools do. Then, blockchain.info or any other service will show up "ASICMINER" blocks, even in the graphs. Simple and easy. Plus, all investors can get about 3-5 % for not paying the pool fees. I think thats a possibility. When it comes to advertising asicminer would be better off to mine at different pool and ensure to have the first place everywhere. This way a maximum of miners could be targetted and pulled to a upcoming auction. Free advertising. The rest could be mined solo. While im not sure if pools doesnt have advantages like including Namecoins and so on.
|
Please ALWAYS contact me through bitcointalk pm before sending someone coins.
|
|
|
GoldenWings91
|
|
April 07, 2013, 05:55:05 PM |
|
How are the 50TH going to be distributed?
|
|
|
|
rudrigorc2
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1064
Merit: 1000
|
|
April 07, 2013, 08:59:47 PM |
|
I HOPE that ASICMINER will soon move out of BTCGuild! It should set up its own pool and go "solo". Its unhealthy for the network.
ASICMINER needs to show everyone how much they're hashing, for different purposes. The easiest way to do that, is to mine on the pool. They can put its signature into block they create, like many pools do. Then, blockchain.info or any other service will show up "ASICMINER" blocks, even in the graphs. Simple and easy. Plus, all investors can get about 3-5 % more for not paying the pool fees. Sounds good. Is it really that simple?
|
|
|
|
novusordo
|
|
April 07, 2013, 11:07:29 PM |
|
I HOPE that ASICMINER will soon move out of BTCGuild! It should set up its own pool and go "solo". Its unhealthy for the network.
ASICMINER needs to show everyone how much they're hashing, for different purposes. The easiest way to do that, is to mine on the pool. They can put its signature into block they create, like many pools do. Then, blockchain.info or any other service will show up "ASICMINER" blocks, even in the graphs. Simple and easy. Plus, all investors can get about 3-5 % more for not paying the pool fees. Sounds good. Is it really that simple? No. Solo mining carries more risk and variance. Some weeks we may get dividends that are much lower, some weeks much higher. The fact that ASICMINER's hashing power is very large right now negates this a bit, but it'll still happen.
|
|
|
|
🏰 TradeFortress 🏰
Bitcoin Veteran
VIP
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
👻
|
|
April 07, 2013, 11:31:28 PM |
|
When ASICMINER gets 50 TH up and ready through, solo mining looks like a better idea.
|
|
|
|
Rodyland
|
|
April 08, 2013, 12:29:15 AM |
|
When ASICMINER gets 50 TH up and ready through, solo mining looks like a better idea.
I honestly would have thought that, with 10% of the network hash power behind it, solo mining would have been a no-brainer compared to the cut the pools take. Maybe it's not worth the hassle of effectively running our own pool. http://blockchain.info/poolsThere are a significant number of pools with ~10% hash power. And I couldn't agree more - with another 50TH behind us, it seems ludicrous to pool mine (unless the pool mining is spread across pools to explicitly avoid any one pool having a majority of hash power).
|
Beware the weak hands! 1NcL6Mjm4qeiYYi2rpoCtQopPrH4PyKfUC GPG ID: E3AA41E3
|
|
|
Franktank
|
|
April 08, 2013, 12:36:46 AM |
|
I just thought I would do some speculative math for what's been announced. Now, friedcat has announced some numbers of the incoming hashing power for the next few months. To determine the hash rate per share, I've enclosed the following table:
Note: Used 100 shares for easier math; Mh/s is [total hash rate/400k shares]
AM Hashing (Mh/s) Mh/s Per Share Total Mh/s 6,000,000 15 1,500 12,000,000 30 3,000 50,000,000 125 12,500 62,000,000 155 15,500 200,000,000 500 50,000 262,000,000 655 65,500
The last row is the row I would like to bring attention to. friedcat has mentioned the last 200 Th/s would take 2-3 months to deploy, putting that in the same range of early-mid BFL range and Avalon batch 3. Owning 100 shares will be the equivalent of Avalon Batch 3 or a BFL Single SC at full deployment. Even at a difficulty of 100 million, that will still equate to ~2.5 BTC/wk (for 100 shares). There are plenty of things that have not been accounted for, but the question is: Which of the three will get their product out of the door first? ASICMiner, Avalon, or BFL?
Feel free to correct my numbers if you think I'm incorrect about my calculations.
|
|
|
|
mrb
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1028
|
|
April 08, 2013, 12:56:55 AM Last edit: April 08, 2013, 01:16:26 AM by mrb |
|
I think you need to look at your math again. If he buys BTC75 worth of shares at BTC0.75, that would give him 100 shares exactly. Using the last dividend, that would net him BTC0.25555300. Which, as you pointed out was small. Using the lowest dividend from a week without lots of expenses (March 7th) of BTC0.01917149, would have earned him...
Counting on future dividends of 0.01917149 is an unrealistic estimation. This amount was paid back when friedcat was trying to return all the money (or, as much as possible) to the IPO investors. Since then, friedcat has reduced dividends significantly. As others have estimated, dividends are expected to be around 0.006-0.007 (assuming no large expenses) given that AM has about 10% of the total hash rate.
|
|
|
|
Uglux
|
|
April 08, 2013, 01:11:07 AM |
|
Yes Franktank, except that the start was promised to be 12 TH, but only half is mining (publicly?) for months now.
|
|
|
|
fcmatt
Legendary
Offline
Activity: 2072
Merit: 1001
|
|
April 08, 2013, 01:15:21 AM |
|
Maybe they are more clever then i think...
But why in the heck would they not negotiate a deal with btcguild to get lower fees? 1% lets say.
|
|
|
|
|