Huge blocks of masternodes controlled by a few whales (hi Otoh!) and instaminers, Evan acknowledging full control over the voting system by insiders, masternode rewards going to enrich whales and insiders while ripping off people who try to use the coin for transactional purposes via inflation (assuming such people actually existed), etc. None of this is "true decentralization". ROFL #spamthread Have any new evidence to present? Found your "smoking gun"? If not, thanks for the thread bumps. You will not control the narrative about Dash through conjecture anymore, amigo. The huge blocks of masternodes controlled by a few whales (hi Otoh!) and instaminers, Evan acknowledging full control over the voting system by insiders, masternode rewards going to enrich whales and insiders while ripping off people who try to use the coin for transactional purposes via inflation (assuming such people actually existed), etc. are all highly relevant to discussion of this absurd "internet of money" premise being pushed by you and the other Dash pumpers. We agree it is important to discuss this issue, so everyone can rationally evaluate the premise, but we disagree on exactly how to best discuss it. Fair enough, that's what forum discussion threads are for. The forum would be fairly uninteresting if it were nothing but a bunch of shilling wouldn't it? You must hate this. I'm so sorry. How insensitive of me. You've been allowed to frame the Dash project through your conjecture for two years, and Tao comes along and so rudely rips it away from you, saying Dash should define itself. I hope you won't need counselling. No one is buying your "half truth, half conjecture" discussion tactics anymore. Dash Nation, through optimism, progress and decentralized tech will be taking over our own discussion now. You're welcome to join us if you'd like. Just try to keep it positive, my friend. You'll get along better with everyone that way... |
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Huge blocks of masternodes controlled by a few whales (hi Otoh!) and instaminers, Evan acknowledging full control over the voting system by insiders, masternode rewards going to enrich whales and insiders while ripping off people who try to use the coin for transactional purposes via inflation (assuming such people actually existed), etc. None of this is "true decentralization". ROFL #spamthread Have any new evidence to present? Found your "smoking gun"? If not, thanks for the thread bumps. You will not control the narrative about Dash through conjecture anymore, amigo. |
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Speak for yourself, I reserve the right to fart in Ripples general direction  I think that's acceptable.  Thanks for your help in putting the kids to bed over there... |
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Crossposting from the Public Dash Slack Channel: "@dagrarian: Precisely. When you post in the progress thread and keep the message pro-Dash with no mention of Monero, that's creating an identity for Dash Nation that's open for all to see. People aren't stupid, after last night's troll debacle they know what's up. We are creating our own identity in that thread, that's what I want to bring into focus. Positivity to the Dash Project. Let's inspire people, and let the trolls frame themselves as petty. Please spread this message." Appreciate any help you could give me, Dash Nation. Thanks, Tao https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433982.0Sounds like our friends have moved their attack against DASH over to slack? A zero-sum game for them. They didn't come to Slack. That was a post by me, explaining the reasoning behind establishing that thread.The trolls have nothing. They know it. They will not continue to control the Dash discussion with spin and innuendo. Taking back our identity here is important, as this site has thousands of lurkers. Please, to you and all Dash Nation members, as this thread represents the image of our community, we can frame it through our posts. Dash is about optimism, progress and decentralization. Let's show that through our posts. We have every right to be positive and proud. We don't need to talk about competing coins. Let's inspire people, and let the trolls hang themselves. |
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Why are we so excited about Dash? Why does Dash have what it takes to challenge Bitcoin? Let me tell you in person (5:30): http://youtu.be/mtpeuGLaiqs#DashNation #IoM |
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Crossposting from the Public Dash Slack Channel: "@dagrarian: Precisely. When you post in the progress thread and keep the message pro-Dash with no mention of Monero, that's creating an identity for Dash Nation that's open for all to see. People aren't stupid, after last night's troll debacle they know what's up. We are creating our own identity in that thread, that's what I want to bring into focus. Positivity to the Dash Project. Let's inspire people, and let the trolls frame themselves as petty. Please spread this message." Appreciate any help you could give me, Dash Nation. Thanks, Tao https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1433982.0 |
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Thank you to all my Dash Nation mates who have posted here in the spirit of this thread. Debunking myths, standing up to the school-boy bullies who it can now be seen have clear motives to discredit Dash at all costs, and focusing squarely on what the Dash Project is today and will be in the future.
Dash is about optimism, progress and decentralized technology. We're building the future digital cash Satoshi envisioned and all are welcome to join us.
Thank you to all who are bearing with us as we create our own identity. It's appreciated.
Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)
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The constant false narrative by the people who present half facts half spin is a big reason Dash has been held back for the last 2 years.
Where is the "false narrative"? These are all objective factual statements: 1. Evan had at least two years of experience with crypto before launching Dash. There was no "lack of experience" as you claim. (Your statement about what "caused mistakes to be made" was opinion, by the way. I'm glad we have agreed to exclude opinion from this thread.)
2. Evan stated months ahead of the launch that he was working on a "for-profit" coin launch.
3. Evan deliberately withheld the development and feature plans until after the end of the instqamine.
4. Evan misled people about the launch schedule, launching much earlier than promised. During the first hour, over 500000 coins were mined, and in 8 hours, over a million coins.
5. Evan later cut the mining rewards and coin supply, increasing the effective size of the instamine by a factor of four or more.
6. In total, the instamine of 2 million coins represents over 30% of the current supply of Dash.
7. "Official Communication" from Dash blaming the instamine on inherited Litecoin code (which is factually false).
8. Dash ANN OP claiming the coin was "fairly and transparently launched". If there is any "false narrative" here, it is the claims like "fairly and transparently launched" which are being made by Dash. BTW, "a lot of coins were mined in the first 48 hours" is misleading spin. A lot of coins were mined within one one hour of the early launch, and then in the first 6-8 hours. The rest of the 48 hours was just icing on the cake. Smooth, I thought you were better than this. Don't make me post a link to the Allen Iverson video again! Some facts, some spin. 1. Fact 2. Fact 3. Conjecture (Not Fact) 4. Conjecture (The launch time was posted) 5. Fact 6. Fact 7. There is a basis for saying that 8. Conjecture Some facts and some conjecture. Try harder, please. I'm not buying what you're selling. You are incorrect. Every single statement I made is factual and objective. Anything conjectural about it, you are basing on your own interpretation of what I wrote. With respect to #7 specifically, it is false to state that the Litecoin difficulty adjustment was responsible for the production of extra coins, because that was responsible only for a small portion of the extra coins. The vast majority of the coins came from block rewards that were stuck at the maximum value due to another bug, one that was not related to Litecoin, and which would have happened regardless of the rate of difficulty adjustments. The Official Communication also states that Evan made a patch to the code to fix the difficulty adjustment within a few hours of launch. I can find no evidence of such a patch implementing any such hard fork prior to the one that ended the instamine after day two. Unless I'm mistaken, this is another factually incorrect statement. Lord, give me strength. There is nothing in any post I've seen from any of you guys that can prove that a) Evan mined all the coins, and b) That he knowingly perpetrated a scam. Prove either one of those things, and you have your smoking gun. I will not address this subject with you again. Your time for controlling the Dash discussion is at an end. |
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The constant false narrative by the people who present half facts half spin is a big reason Dash has been held back for the last 2 years It's actually very simple. There is a philosophy in crypto that alludes to the existence of an innate legitimising authority. Kind of like "these are the rules, if you follow them, you are legit and if you don't you're not and neither's your marketcap". It's bogus of course - for 2 reasons in particular: [1] - crypto is decentralised, there is no 'legitimising authority' neither explicit or implied other than the market [2] - crypto is unbacked money What the latter point means is that the tokens are worth exactly zip when they are created. Nor are they regulated, nor is there any “ethical dimension” to their creation (Unless people want to read their own ethical dimensions into it in which there'll be as many 'ethical dimensions' as observers). They are simply tokens that only have any value if the market says they have. The emission rate, who got how much, whether the dev changed the properties after launch doesn't matter SQUAT other than they are just another bunch of things to be priced in amongst everything else. Just as we’ve seen in this thread, they matter to more to some buyers and less to others (and for some still, they are an out and out religion). I didn't buy Dash because of a "fair launch". I couldn't care less about whether a coin had a fair launch or not unless I think it's going to affect its future value. For two years the same few conflicted trolls on bitcointalk have been attempting to convince me otherwise and for 2 years they've been proved wrong so I'm not exactly losing sleep over it. Markets always sort these things out because, unlike conflicted bitcointalk pseudo-religious crypto nutcase zealots, they take everything into account and price everything in. There is no black and white. No "legit" or "not legit". It is what it is and gets priced appropriately. Tok, I'm so glad you joined us here. You are a shining example of the professionalism that Dash displays daily. As a member of Dash Nation, you are part of the inspiration for creating this thread. As you know, Dash is on to big things, with every post the school-boy bullies make it becomes clearer and clearer. I hope you stick around when the thread becomes more positive later on. |
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The constant false narrative by the people who present half facts half spin is a big reason Dash has been held back for the last 2 years.
Where is the "false narrative"? These are all objective factual statements: 1. Evan had at least two years of experience with crypto before launching Dash. There was no "lack of experience" as you claim. (Your statement about what "caused mistakes to be made" was opinion, by the way. I'm glad we have agreed to exclude opinion from this thread.)
2. Evan stated months ahead of the launch that he was working on a "for-profit" coin launch.
3. Evan deliberately withheld the development and feature plans until after the end of the instqamine.
4. Evan misled people about the launch schedule, launching much earlier than promised. During the first hour, over 500000 coins were mined, and in 8 hours, over a million coins.
5. Evan later cut the mining rewards and coin supply, increasing the effective size of the instamine by a factor of four or more.
6. In total, the instamine of 2 million coins represents over 30% of the current supply of Dash.
7. "Official Communication" from Dash blaming the instamine on inherited Litecoin code (which is factually false).
8. Dash ANN OP claiming the coin was "fairly and transparently launched". If there is any "false narrative" here, it is the claims like "fairly and transparently launched" which are being made by Dash. BTW, "a lot of coins were mined in the first 48 hours" is misleading spin. A lot of coins were mined within one one hour of the early launch, and then in the first 6-8 hours. The rest of the 48 hours was just icing on the cake. Smooth, I thought you were better than this. Don't make me post a link to the Allen Iverson video again! Some facts, some spin. 1. Fact 2. Fact 3. Conjecture (Not Fact) 4. Conjecture (The launch time was posted) 5. Fact 6. Fact 7. There is a basis for saying that 8. Conjecture Some facts and some conjecture. Try harder, please. I'm not buying what you're selling. |
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I'm not arguing about the instamine. It happened. A lot of coins were mined in the first 48 hours. That is a fact. Did Evan mine all of them? Impossible to say. Did Evan deliberately perpetrate a scam? No evidence has been presented to back that up.
The constant false narrative by the people who present half facts half spin is a big reason Dash has been held back for the last 2 years.
But the conjecture doesn't just end with the instamine. It's now Dash is bad crypto, Dash is centralized, Dash is just Evan's way or the highway.
They are fighting hard to have you believe this bias. Five school-boy bullies visited this thread at the same time to try and ram it down my throat....
By this point, to the lurkers of this thread, it's plain to see that some individuals have felt the need to spread this narrative due to the fact that they are threatened by the truth, which is that Dash is an incredible project. It has the decentralized team, technology, governance and funding to one day be the digital cash that Satoshi envisioned, the Internet Of Money.
Dash Nation represents positivity, progress, innovation and decentralized tech. Join us and see for yourself. We would love to have you with us, building a community around Dash.
Cheers,
Tao (Dash Nation Campaign Founder)
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I don't think there's any point in arguing about the instamine.
Some people have a problem with it and some don't.
Simple as that.
Hey! Welcome to the thread, tok! #DashNation #IoM |
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Evan had a youthful exuberance, when coupled with a lack of experience caused some mistakes to be made.
Someone youthfully exuberant would not have been able to hold back on telling the world about the development and feature plans he was so excited about and instead wait until after the instamine was entirely completed. In fact he did exactly that which shows it was likely purposeful and calculated, not accidents and mistakes. Evan had been around crypto for at least two years or so before launching Dash. He'd see it all, including premines, hidden premines, instamines, etc. He was no beginner and he knew exactly how to play the game. Thanks for that contribution. Still no facts that link Evan to any bad intent. Keep to the facts. All I see is an opinion, which I can respect, but opinions are not what this thread is about. Facts: 1. Evan had at least two years of experience with crypto before launching Dash. There was no "lack of experience" as you claim. (Your statement about what "caused mistakes to be made" was opinion, by the way. I'm glad we have agreed to exclude opinion from this thread.) 2. Evan stated months ahead of the launch that he was working on a "for-profit" coin launch. 3. Evan deliberately withheld the development and feature plans until after the end of the instqamine. 4. Evan misled people about the launch schedule, launching much earlier than promised. During the first hour, over 500000 coins were mined, and in 8 hours, over a million coins. 5. Evan later cut the mining rewards and coin supply, increasing the effective size of the instamine by a factor of four or more. 6. In total, the instamine of 2 million coins represents over 30% of the current supply of Dash. These are all objective, documented facts. No opinion. People can draw their own conclusions as to whether this was an elaborate fraud or a legitimate coin project. Any evidence to link Evan to bad intent? I still see none. I see some facts, the rest is spin to suit your interests. What else you got? |
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Evan had a youthful exuberance, when coupled with a lack of experience caused some mistakes to be made.
Someone youthfully exuberant would not have been able to hold back on telling the world about the development and feature plans he was so excited about and instead wait until after the instamine was entirely completed. In fact he did exactly that which shows it was likely purposeful and calculated, not accidents and mistakes. Evan had been around crypto for at least two years or so before launching XCoin/Darkcoin/Dash. He'd see it all, including premines, hidden premines, instamines, etc. He was no beginner and he knew exactly how to play the game. Also Evan claims to hail from the financial realm, so I think he may know something about using bots to trade the market. I contemplate he may have been formulating the perfect plan for fooling the market with a bot that buys from itself. P.S. note I corrected the thread title. Another school-boy bully shows up! Caw! I sure am popular. What is that now, 5 against 1? Thanks for hanging out with me, boys. Brought any evidence of your claims you've been running with for two years with you? At least you TPTB_need_war are creative, and made me laugh. |
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Same old iCEBREAKER trying to "control" the narrative about Dash through spin, innuendo and ad hominem attacks.
You are still doing us a service by bumping this pro-Dash thread front and centre in the Altcoin discussion board.
All great things started small. You have to start somewhere as an organization. The exciting thing about Dash is that the technology exists to bring a true decentralized digital money to the public, outside of government control.
This is what Satoshi envisioned when he created Bitcoin. Unfortunately, it's fallen victim to centralization of funding sources and influence. The tug-of-war over development is just starting for it. The ability to make key decisions that improve the coin is key, and Dash has it with the DGBB (Decentralized Governance by Blockchain), with unbiased funding sources.
We are a young small coin with great technology that's been misunderstood because of lies and deception. We are growing though, and more people see the Dash difference each day. I have many positive conversations on Twitter, and I slowly see the perception changing.
Join Dash Nation and help us create the Internet of Money! Join a culture of positivity amid all of this negativity that consumes this space.
Dash Lead Developer Evan Duffield Discusses Evolution With The Daily Decrypt:
There you go invoking Satoshi again. Satoshi envisioned a decentralized currency built on solid cryptography--dash is neither of these things. It's an instamined fraud built on the fault line that is X11 and the second rate anonymity method darksend. It created centralization through an instamine and exasperated it by creating pay-nodes that centralize power further. It's poor design, built on the back of a poor launch. It is? And to what do we owe that pearl of wisdom? You're better than this, bring facts to the conversation, I am. X11 is insecure because if one of the chains is exploited then the whole thing is garbage as the attack can go on so long that you simply can't remove the broken chain and roll back to a pre-broken state. Darksend is second rate because it doesn't use the end-to-end principle to achieve anonymity. Pay-nodes further centralization when a premine or instamine has occurred and there is no way to verify redistribution of the already centralized distribution--this applies to dash because of the instamine that constitutes 30% of current emissions mined in the first two days of launch. Need me to explain any more facts? Has x-11 been broken? Break it, and then we'll talk. Can you track an 8 round Darksend transaction? Track it, and then we'll talk. Can you prove that masternodes (which are incentivized full nodes that anyone can run) are centralized? Prove it, and then we'll talk. |
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