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1021  Economy / Speculation / Re: yay btc goes ~$250 ! on: October 12, 2015, 09:52:29 PM
At gemini went up to 847!

so gemini is the next MT Gox rallly ?
i will waiting at BTC-e $500 so i can double my money  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I don't think Gemini will have a positive impact for bitcoins price, but I don't think there will be any sketchy business to make bitcoins price bubble blow up and pop... Those twins have seem to have done everything to make the site as legit and legal as possible.
1022  Other / Off-topic / Re: Complete the sentence... "I would sell all my Bitcoins if..." on: October 12, 2015, 09:48:58 PM
We urgently need money ...

How does this have anything to do with contributing to the thread? What do you mean? If you mean that bitcoin needs new investors and more financial capital in the market, then I would totally agree with you. If you are just saying that "we" meaning "you" need money, then I nor anyone would know what to tell you.
1023  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: October 12, 2015, 09:45:25 PM
A wise man once said "It's only wrong if you lose" honestly though the people that think gambling is wrong are the ones that have lost money by it.   The people that have made big bucks from gambling arent going to tell you its wrong. just gamble what u can afford to lose.
and treat it like a game if you win thats great, if you lose no big deal

Yeah, but the problem that people who gamble online or anywhere else for that matter treat gambling like some kind of "right" to win... if they loose, they still have this pipedream fantasy that they are going to end up winning the big "jackpot" prize they have in there head that they are going to win... so they put more money in and keep losing, causing them to really take on a financial loss.
1024  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: How sell digital good for btc on: October 12, 2015, 09:42:15 PM
There is a section on the forum for that... go to economy -> marketplace -> goods -> digital goods ... also this should be posted in the begginers section under other.
1025  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 12, 2015, 09:37:22 PM
no they can not guarantee to pay back the money, but if liquidity is there it should work out. i normally do not lend out money too, but since i planned to buy the coins back anyway + the rate was 2% i could not resist.
but it did not work out, next time i wont hesitate.

i do think the over all short position is still there, yesterday we just saw the bot having an issue. if he continues on margin we will see soon enough i guess

and now there are so many offers below 1%, this is really not what i wanted but yeah, market will solve it  Roll Eyes

poloniex's policy on not publishing the data is criminal. it gives a huge atvantage not only to them, but to the rich ones, since they can afford to lend out money (and know how much there is to squeeze) + manipulate the market at the same time.

this is a real issue. i have mentioned this many times to polo, but without any success. they promised to implement it a very long time ago.

regarding eth: remember, they are located in switzerland, this sure plays a role too (developer ~140-220k p.a. / office ~160-260 per m2 p.a, prices in CHF) btw. i agree, they spent it unwise, it seems like that at least


Since Polo is conforming so easily with regulations and our private information I'm sure a call from Any states attorney generals office on "why that info is insider knowledge only" would get a quick response. Wink

I've found that office to be of use when dealing with corporations in the past, amazing what one call from them can accomplish. Smiley

But wouldn't this give a Mt. Gox effect on the prices of all altcoins?  If people on Polo were on the inside, and maybe be using to pump some prices of altcoin, maybe Monero, wouldn't it have some kind of negative effect?  Not only that, but in a years time there will be another site that would do basically the same things?  It just seems like exchange sites are always dealt with some type of shady business.
1026  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [AEON] Aeon Speculation on: October 12, 2015, 09:16:14 PM
Okay so I was watching the thread and no have decided to get on board the AEON train.

What would be a reasonable AEON purchase amount? I've seen elsewhere people saying 10% AEON and 90% XMR.

Fact is it is going to be hard to buy a lot of value of AEON with the total market cap being something like 150 BTC. Buying even 100k coins which by any reasonable standard makes you a whale only costs 1.8 BTC at current market...

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I don't have that much XMR, but I'm keen to go fairly heavy in AEON providing Bittrex can take the volume. Also on that note, any strategies for accumulating in low volume conditions?

Place bids slightly below market (maybe 5-10%) and wait for dumps. Or try to find an OTC deal for a large block.



I don't know if it was said on this thread before, but what's the total amount of coins on the market right now? How many coins can be mined in the long run of things? Any links to charts of the distribution curves will be greatly appreciated.
1027  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How do you earn a lot of free bitcoins fast? on: October 12, 2015, 09:05:48 PM
I know I have posted something like this before, but this time I'm adding more descriptions, because I left out lots of details.

I want to earn 0.1BTC-0.3BTC in a month at most. I am 13 years old, so I do not have any bank account, so I can't spend any $$.

I am willing to do activities such as signature campaign and stuff.
Things to answer for me:
1. What is the highest paying signature campaign that I can participate in?
2. Any place where I can loan Bitcoin?
3. Any other ways that I can earn bitcoins FAST?

Things To Know....
I can program JavaScript, HTML, CSS, and Processing JavaScript pretty well.
I spend 10+ hours everyday on my laptop.
I'm very determined. (Willing to do almost anything.)
My address is: 15k9H74VrEVGndYrrgHoDBkzBv5CNY1ukc
and donations are very appreciated!

well a 0.1btc is reasonable in one month, you can try Crypto-games signature campaign but im not sure if there still available slot
for jr.member. you can ask for loan but you have to have a collateral that matches the value of how much you want for loan,
you can try faucet and referrals but they only give a very little amount of bitcoin.
Id recommend to use your programming skills to earn bitcoin. why dont you start a thread offering your programming skill service.

For asking for a loan, usually the collateral you have to offer has to be at least some what more than the price of the loan you are asking for... Unless you know FOR SURE that you can pay it off within the time that you agree on.  As for offering your services in programming in the services section of the forum, I would suggest you work on creating a very professional looking portfolio to offer people as a basis of knowing how good you are.  There is a lot of competition in the bitcoin market for programmers, because usually the majority of bitcoiners are tech savy and know how to program a good looking site or other applications that people would want to purchase from you.
1028  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling. Is It Wrong? on: October 12, 2015, 08:52:18 PM
Gambling is not wrong in any way.No one is forcing anyone to gamble . it's there choice  if  they  gamble  or  not

If gambling is not wrong and you are telling that, first of all, if you are a gambler your are addicted to gambling. You are another example of the risk that gambling have for the simple people. Being addicted mean not only to lose all your money but even to be convinced that this thing is nothing, is a normal thing and that the fault is not the fault of gambling but of the person that gamble (just like your post). No one forces him to gamble, only his desire.

You forget the psychological power of gamble. Which is used by every owner of gambling things. I hope only that you one day (if a gambler) understand the risk of your conviction and change it. Then quite the gambling.

This is completely right in some ways... an alcoholic will say "drinking isn't wrong, I just drink socially" when in reality he's a heavy closet drinker when occasionally having the motivation to go out.  But usually he won't because it cost a lot less to drink at home and you can get a lot more drunk.

Gambling is the same way, where people will say "Oh I have control over my gambling, it's harmless" and every night they spend away all their money on poker or dice or something of the sort.
1029  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Bitcoin Wallet for iOS???? on: October 12, 2015, 08:43:24 PM
breadwallet is officially created by the bitcoin community! I am a member of the bitcoin community and I wrote it, so it's official. Smiley

breadwallet supports features like importing private keys.

it's the first SPV wallet for iOS, (meaning it connects directly to the bitcoin network, and doesn't trust or rely on servers operated by the wallet provider) and it's the first SPV wallet that runs on a malware hardened platform.

only you control your private keys, and they are held in the secure enclave using strong hardware backed AES encryption, so you have protection even if the phone is stolen.

blocktrail looks very nice, however it is what's called a "server-trusting" wallet. It relies on a server run by blocktrail. When their server goes down, your funds become unavailable until you import your keys into another wallet.

Yeah, I tend to put the majority of my bitcoins I want "mobile" on my phone... and then whatever is remaining on my desktop wallet.  With breadwallet though, I tend to feel even more secure about storing my bitcoins on there than anywhere else because of the security measures they use; they even allow the fingerprint authentication for you to easily access your wallet without the hassle of entering in some long password you created for the wallet, which I find very convenient.
1030  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Email from bitcoingiveaway on: October 12, 2015, 08:38:43 PM
who even falls for these . the instructions are directly telling you to give them your wallet. such a bad attempt

Hahaha, I mean look at the profile pic of the email account that was sent to him.  Looks very trustworthy to me Wink ... but seriously, I didn't know scammers that sent emails to people were still at large... usually they are just people who try to get loans, or some kind of payment for a good or service without doing what needs to be performed in returned.  Sad that some people have the gaul to try this out on new members; I guess there will always be bad people in the world no matter where you turn...
1031  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Causes of Mass shootings, suicides + - Many of them are on psychotropic drugs on: October 12, 2015, 08:15:50 PM
-snip-
Intelligent people get heavily harassed out of jealousy. 

-snip-
And the U.S people seem to be particularly good at being fuckups.

I think I see some correlation of what you are saying to what you seem to be against.

Also, you said that shootings are instigated... can you provide us with some details of what you are saying?  I mean if you think about random shooting that involve little kids like Sandy Hook, that wasn't instigated by the kids... so what are you trying to say? Try to provide some details to what you are saying.
1032  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Bitcoin Wallet for iOS???? on: October 12, 2015, 05:22:46 PM
I would suggest either breadwallet or blocktrail to use for your iOS... The benefits vary for each wallet you can get on iOS, but with breadwallet you can actually connect to the blockchain network, and with blocktrail you can still have your security key words...

Do your own research though and figure out which one is best for you.
1033  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 12, 2015, 05:13:48 PM
edit: found it, example here:

XMR   -   Lending Earning   2.0000%   208.92286763   15%   0.15301665 XMR   2015-10-11 18:08:58

i dont get it...looks like Hour or even minute based?

Yeah its pro-rated on some pretty frequent basis. In that example you've earned 0.15 already

Thats BULLSHIT!!!!  You can kill a coin with no min fee. What if he had access to and borrowed 500k for 1 minute?

Yeah the whole margin trading thing is a bit of a joke on these assets with limited liquidity but if people want to play the game and generate commissions you can't really blame the exchanges for offering it.


I still don't really see a point of lending people money for them to trade marginally on an exchange site... I never marginal trade, so I don't really understand completely... but how is a person sure to know that the person they lent the coins too will definitely pay back and at the time they set? Do they use some kind of escrow system?  It doesn't really sound like they do, and to me it's kind of sketchy, because it's like lending some gambling addict a ton of money to gamble with..

You can't withdraw the borrowed coins, only trade them. However, it is theoretically possible for a market to go horribly bad such that the loans can't be repaid, and if that does happen the lender takes the loss. That is explained in the Poloniex terms.


Wow, again that's why I would never get or will get into marginal trading.. you have to have nerves of steel for that.  I feel like you have to know the person you are lending your coins too would have to be known being a great trader, otherwise I would never give coins to some random person.

I just feel it is better to pick an altcoin you think is going to be in it for the long haul; invest and hold... there is no other way for me to gain profit by "investing" lol... I just wouldn't be able to sleep at night with all that money on the line.
1034  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you believe we need more ways of advertising Bitcoin currency? on: October 12, 2015, 05:09:58 PM
We do not need to publicize bitcoin any further. Those who got interested within the last 2-years are a product of a "tiny" bit of publicity and the consumer base grew exponentially (as well as price momentarily).
However as noticed with the publicity increase, the protocol is not prepared for mass-scale and needs some bugs worked out. The malleability attack alone is enough to turn perspective users aware as traditional financial institutions don't have to put up with this.

What we "need" to do is keep hammering away at the security flaws within the protocol and continue to work towards a more powerful network.

I think you have a good point here, the fact that the bitcoin core dev team can't figure out a reasonable way to handle the blocksize debate or agree on anything means that bitcoin is not ready for a global scale adoption.  Everyone on here needs to be on the same page with how things should work and shouldn't keep bickering about stuff all the time... Miners, devs, and consumers need all to reach a consensus of what should be implemented.
1035  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: October 12, 2015, 05:03:32 PM
edit: found it, example here:

XMR   -   Lending Earning   2.0000%   208.92286763   15%   0.15301665 XMR   2015-10-11 18:08:58

i dont get it...looks like Hour or even minute based?

Yeah its pro-rated on some pretty frequent basis. In that example you've earned 0.15 already

Thats BULLSHIT!!!!  You can kill a coin with no min fee. What if he had access to and borrowed 500k for 1 minute?

Yeah the whole margin trading thing is a bit of a joke on these assets with limited liquidity but if people want to play the game and generate commissions you can't really blame the exchanges for offering it.


I still don't really see a point of lending people money for them to trade marginally on an exchange site... I never marginal trade, so I don't really understand completely... but how is a person sure to know that the person they lent the coins too will definitely pay back and at the time they set? Do they use some kind of escrow system?  It doesn't really sound like they do, and to me it's kind of sketchy, because it's like lending some gambling addict a ton of money to gamble with..
1036  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin: Should you stay or should you go? on: October 12, 2015, 04:59:37 PM
I think I will be staying.  It isn't a lot of work, I have learned some things about technology.  It is sort of interesting that some of us are here for money, some for knowledge, some think Bitcoin will be the new currency, it all depends on why you are here if you want to stay or not.  I for one will be staying.

I think a lot of people are here for the majority of all the reason you described.  I also like learning about the new altcoin technologies that are coming out now and days, and speculating if that would be the next big thing like bitcoin.  But in all honestly, I don't think bitcoin will ever go back to 2009 levels... There is too much time, money, and energy invested.
1037  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Buying Bitcoin was a worst decision of my life on: October 12, 2015, 04:41:50 PM
It depends,i never bought bitcoin so i can't say but i do know that if you bought bitcoin when it was around 600$ to 1000$,then i can understand your situation and loss but the best thing you can do now is hold and hold till it again will cross 1000$ mark and believe me it will in the near future,may be next year during halving...Anyway's you should not buy bitcoin when you feel that way..Bitcoin is still investment and investment in anything involves risk..Don't do it if you can't take Risk Wink

I'm not quite so sure about the price rising due to the halvening... but there's another thread for that.  It's all up for speculation though, and if you don't see that bitcoins have no future... then I would just mainly suggest that you take your medicine and suck up the 50% of your investment you have left and just return using fiat for money.
1038  Economy / Goods / Re: Be-Aware Clothing - BTC shirts on: October 12, 2015, 04:24:08 PM
I'd actually be interested in the disease related t-shirts you have to sell.. Do you accept bitcoin payments for those? It would be nice to look at some of the other designs you have, other than crypto related t-shirts.

Yes, i'll be accepting bitcoin for those aswell. I haven't uploaded designs yet. I have the breast cancer shirts uploaded on the website. Trying to figure out the best way to accept bitcoin on the site. I signed up for bitpay and added a button, however, there isn't an option for buyers to put their shipping information in. Still working on that portion.

I know this is random, but do you have any designs you've created that are for lupus?  My mother in law has it and I think the family would enjoy it for a little "stocking stuffer" for christmas just as a side gift, you know?  And what is the URL for your website? I didn't see it in the OP..
1039  Economy / Economics / Re: The $1 Million Dollar Bitcoin on: October 12, 2015, 04:19:50 PM
I can't expect 1 bitcoin to worth 1 Million Dollor...Even if the difficulty will sky rocket and even if we get 1 bitcoin per block then also seriously i can't think it to reach that price..let's be serious guys and accept the fact...whenever bitcoin price try to rise people become panic and think now it will fall and just staring selling then how can the price rise ultimately..i would say maxiumum i can expect is 5000$ per bitcoin and not that too any time soon..

I think you might have a point that people sell out way too quickly, when they reach a $10 profit now.  They are doing this because the market is tending to fluctuate around the $220-$240 range most of the time, and they want to capitalize on these fluctuations... but maybe bitcoin has actually hit a steady price range? I doubt this is the case, but it would be beneficial for companies and corporations to see that bitcoin is finally hitting a relatively stable price point; which might lead them to wanting to accept bitcoin... I think that they don't want to deal with bitcoin in the first place is because of the fact of the volatility of the price.
1040  Economy / Economics / Re: The $1 Million Dollar Bitcoin on: October 12, 2015, 11:56:33 AM
It's all about the userbase, if bitcoin one day achieves as many users as facebook, one bitcoin might worth 1 million dollars.

Idk if Facebook is the right apology your going for... Maybe in terms of quantity of users, but I don't think we'll ever see as much of a diverse crowd of people using Bitcoin like on Facebook...

I litterally just got done looking at pictures of my father in law blowing out candles for his 90th birthday wearing a t-shirt with a cat and some witty line below it... Maybe the diverse age group will come about when we all become a lot older, and our kids and grand kids will be using cryptos... But u don't see the baby boomer generation ever being part of this at all
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