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1161  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 27, 2014, 03:48:57 PM
Why Karpeles is not even considered as a suspect is beyond me.

- Hundreds of millions are missing
- It has been proven that he lied about TM
- Some data has been corrupted / destroyed according to Kobayashi himself
- He was in the best position to manipulate data and steal the coins

What do they need more Huh

I'm lost on this one also.

Let's say for the sake of argument he had no malintent and really did lose all those coins. In that case he was at least extremely (if not criminally) negligent and you should bring him before a civil court and get some compensation.

He did get rich by operating the exchange, why should you settle for a loss?
1162  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - State of the Alloy on: November 27, 2014, 11:57:29 AM
obviously it's taking much more time than I initially planned; sorry about that.


No worries, I understand how ETAs given by developers work (being one myself). Cheesy

But still, any rough idea about the new ETA?
1163  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 27, 2014, 10:03:44 AM
higher lows.. lower highs.. things are flattening.

Volume is also drying up and coincidentally the outside temperature is 0 C˙ here.

On the plus side the transaction volume seems to be steadily increasing for the last few months... Smiley

We may soon be back to 2013 levels:

https://blockchain.info/charts/estimated-transaction-volume
1164  Bitcoin / Press / [2014-11-26] Coindesk: Kraken to Assist in Search for Missing Mt Gox Bitcoins on: November 26, 2014, 11:34:30 AM
Digital currency exchange Kraken announced today that it has been chosen to support the investigation of Mt Gox's stolen bitcoins, manage the claims process and distribute the defunct company's remaining assets to creditors.

The announcement was made at the second hearing for Mt Gox creditors held today at Tokyo's District Court.

Speaking at a press conference following the hearing, Kraken CEO Jesse Powell said he was "very humbled for the opportunity to help the community like this", and that his firm hopes to repair bitcoin's damaged reputation in Japan as much as build its own in the local market.

He said:

"It's Kraken's philosophy to always put the clients' best interests first, and this is a philosophy that we will carry with us through supporting the trustee."

There are still many decisions to be made in the process and Kraken has many questions of its own, he further added. The exchange will work closely with the trustee Nobuaki Kobayashi to investigate what happened at Mt Gox as much as possible, although it will not have direct access to Mark Karpeles, Mt Gox's CEO.

...

More:

https://www.coindesk.com/kraken-assist-search-missing-mt-gox-bitcoins/
http://blog.kraken.com/post/103599171158/mt-gox-bankruptcy
https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20141126_announcement.pdf
1165  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: November 26, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
This one is much more interesting: https://www.mtgox.com/img/pdf/20141126_announcement.pdf
1166  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2014, 09:48:06 AM
More supply again (MtGox 200K BTC + 2nd SR auction):

Down
It always amazes me that there are panic dumps whenever an article mentions a chunk of coins being manhandled in some way.  Oh no, 50,000BTC are going to be privately auctioned in a month, I better dump!  Hell, with the Mt. Gox coins we don't even know if they'll be sold off or returned, and when.  It certainly isn't going to be tomorrow or the next day.  

It's almost as if people forget that there are millions of BTC out there where even a marginal percentage could just show up on an exchange at any given time.
Market is more wise than any individual, it is the perfect voting system.

Whether you wanna admit it or not is your problem.

The fact is that we have confirmed increase in supply:

50k this month + 94k from SR auction.
200k from MtGox  
8k from Australian police

Show me evidence for increased demand (the reason I said 'Down' is because I still see buying pressure only from the usual suspects: speculators and funds, masses are not interested at all).

Yes, but you did make one assumption. That those Bitcoins will be dumped on the market very fast. I'm sceptical about that.

1. Auctions have usually been won by long term investors. Why buy at a premium (and they do buy at a premium most of the time) only to dump immediately? That's burning money...
2. Imagine you were a MtGox customer and got 20% of your BTC back. Would you sell most of them immediately? Some people will, but i guess more of them will hold for a higher price to recoup their loss...
These coins were out of circulation so basically they were not offering in supply at all.

Now they are back, we can only speculate on the amount that will be sold but markets usually tend to speculate close to the worst case scenario (if not more).



True.

I would find it more likely that fear of the dump will cause a bigger dip than the dump itself... And it's probably already happening.
1167  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2014, 09:36:01 AM
More supply again (MtGox 200K BTC + 2nd SR auction):

Down
It always amazes me that there are panic dumps whenever an article mentions a chunk of coins being manhandled in some way.  Oh no, 50,000BTC are going to be privately auctioned in a month, I better dump!  Hell, with the Mt. Gox coins we don't even know if they'll be sold off or returned, and when.  It certainly isn't going to be tomorrow or the next day.  

It's almost as if people forget that there are millions of BTC out there where even a marginal percentage could just show up on an exchange at any given time.
Market is more wise than any individual, it is the perfect voting system.

Whether you wanna admit it or not is your problem.

The fact is that we have confirmed increase in supply:

50k this month + 94k from SR auction.
200k from MtGox  
8k from Australian police

Show me evidence for increased demand (the reason I said 'Down' is because I still see buying pressure only from the usual suspects: speculators and funds, masses are not interested at all).

Yes, but you did make one assumption. That those Bitcoins will be dumped on the market very fast. I'm sceptical about that.

1. Auctions have usually been won by long term investors. Why buy at a premium (and they do buy at a premium most of the time) only to dump immediately? That's burning money...
2. Imagine you were a MtGox customer and got 20% of your BTC back. Would you sell most of them immediately? Some people will, but i guess more of them will hold for a higher price to recoup their loss...
1168  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2014, 08:48:43 AM
"Kraken selected to aid MtGOX Investigation and Liquidation"
http://blog.kraken.com/post/103599171158/mt-gox-bankruptcy

Smells like a big pile of steaming bullshit to me

Could be. There was an earlier announcement which said that Kraken would take over MtGOX and pay customers in bitcoin.  This one is more limited and cautious, but it is still not clear what is certain and what is merely a wish of Kraken and/or the clients, that the trustee may concede or not.  In particular, the statement that clients will be required to open an account at Kraken in order to receive the refunds seems to be just a wish...

Does that mean, pay customers even the stolen amount? or just new amounts?

I'd assume it is to pay whatever coins are still under the control of mtgox, anything else would be crazy. I'm baffled why'd they even want to get involved in the mtgox bankruptcy though... Seems like way more trouble than it is worth.

Personally I think it's great that there will be an actual investigation.

When Powell said: "We’ve decided to volunteer our resources and expertise in an attempt to minimize damage to creditors, restore faith in the Bitcoin community, and demonstrate trusted leadership in the industry,", that explains it all.

We all know getting new customers is something Kraken needs. And that's what they hope to get from this move.

But, hey. At least they're doing something useful for it Wink

lmao. seriously? how you know that?

How do I know what?

I'm not sure about the whole investigation thing. Depends on what info will be made available to them. So no guarantees they will uncover anything.

But the redistribution of the Bitcoins and fiat left on Gox will go through. Why not? I find that useful.
1169  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 26, 2014, 08:00:58 AM
"Kraken selected to aid MtGOX Investigation and Liquidation"
http://blog.kraken.com/post/103599171158/mt-gox-bankruptcy

Smells like a big pile of steaming bullshit to me

Could be. There was an earlier announcement which said that Kraken would take over MtGOX and pay customers in bitcoin.  This one is more limited and cautious, but it is still not clear what is certain and what is merely a wish of Kraken and/or the clients, that the trustee may concede or not.  In particular, the statement that clients will be required to open an account at Kraken in order to receive the refunds seems to be just a wish...

Does that mean, pay customers even the stolen amount? or just new amounts?

I'd assume it is to pay whatever coins are still under the control of mtgox, anything else would be crazy. I'm baffled why'd they even want to get involved in the mtgox bankruptcy though... Seems like way more trouble than it is worth.

Personally I think it's great that there will be an actual investigation.

When Powell said: "We’ve decided to volunteer our resources and expertise in an attempt to minimize damage to creditors, restore faith in the Bitcoin community, and demonstrate trusted leadership in the industry,", that explains it all.

We all know getting new customers is something Kraken needs. And that's what they hope to get from this move.

But, hey. At least they're doing something useful for it Wink
1170  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG on: November 25, 2014, 01:46:05 PM
Dargo I sent you a PM for ticket #35320 . I'd really like it if someone took a look at it today and see if there was an answer from Fidor regarding the issue. Thanks!

OK. It's solved. I'm sorry for giving you and Joshua a hard time but we were really in a hurry Wink

Thanks, you guys rock! Smiley
1171  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Xapo.com Debit Card Not Working and Support Plain Sucks! on: November 25, 2014, 08:23:15 AM
see i am interested in this card i am in the USA but i dont think it should be a problem right? Considering wiki says they located in the USA so i figure they can send out a new card. If some one can post me to official form for xapo or updates would be great. Also feel free to send test donation to xapo wallet lol

15WjeBwVoDgYMPzvMksjf8cmByJQ7zFE3x

The last I heard from Xapo support a couple of weeks ago, they said they are still in the beta phase for the cards and are keeping it small until they sort out all the issues that pop up...
1172  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG on: November 24, 2014, 06:56:44 PM
Dargo I sent you a PM for ticket #35320 . I'd really like it if someone took a look at it today and see if there was an answer from Fidor regarding the issue. Thanks!
1173  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet on: November 11, 2014, 01:06:26 PM
I have a question. How should I go about using my Trezor to also store my Litecoin stash? So a single seed originaly created by the device to also be used for creating LTC keys.

Would using the same Trezor with Electrum and Electrum-LTC work?

Any thoughts on that?
1174  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 07, 2014, 09:59:12 AM
1175  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Electrum - State of the Alloy on: November 06, 2014, 01:01:58 PM
I'm bumping this thread. Basicaly I'd like to know the progress with 2.0 too.
1176  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 05, 2014, 03:56:14 PM
If you don't have enough liquid cash reserves or income that you are forced to sell a "coin or two" every now and then, you are doing it wrong.

I would have to agree with you.  I was of the mindset to keep more cash in reserve but my husband figured Bitcoin had a better "return" than the crazy low interest rate the bank offers so we decided, albeit foolishly, to go ahead and keep our reserves in Bitcoin and pull from there when needed.  Seemed a brilliant plan until we have had months of downward movement.  On the upswings it is amazing though.   Cheesy

The only comfort is that we never really had much cash on reserve until we began investing in BTC, so really, it isn't that big of a deal.  It is just that our BTC value isn't the same as it was a year ago.  Undecided

It was @ $240 exactly one year ago Wink But it's true that we were in a strong up trend back then...
1177  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 30, 2014, 01:55:19 PM
I see that there is some really strong support at $0, no way we go under that... Wink
1178  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 30, 2014, 08:30:13 AM
The non existing wall at 340 can't get crossed because of idiot dumpers. Looks like we still will go down.

You mean manbearwhale? Cheesy
1179  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: October 28, 2014, 08:59:35 AM
one cant know if it is cheap or not, because the price is not included in the protocol

bitcoin production price is atm 131 and sold as 351... it seem fair price to me

I'm going to say this makes no sense. 170% is a nice profit margin. If this was the case we would not see the diff level off like it has in the last month.

I would also like to see where you got those numbers from... Smiley
1180  Bitcoin / Electrum / Re: Trezor plugin on: October 27, 2014, 03:25:53 PM
I'll keep it short and sweet.

This plugin should be a priority. Please include it in the next release, even if it's a minor. No need to wait for the big 2.0 Wink
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