What happened:: I've been using rollbit for quite some time and never had an issue. Deposited/Withdraw a lot. Never an issue. Recently they even asked to verify my account to LEVEL 3 KYC. And i did that instantly without an issue. Everything went smooth. Fast forward to 3 days ago (30th March) I've logged in the site in the morning to place a sports bet as usually do almost everyday. Then i just logged out. The next day i've logged again in the site and first thing i've noticed that my balance was $0.00. I was very suprised so i go on the sports bet page and the bet was won. So i dind't understanded why my balance was still 0. I've contacted support immediatly and they said i've placed bets on crazytime over the night (which i never did). So i said it wasn't me and they immediatly locked my account and helped me to logout all devices, change password and enable 2fa. After all this process they said someone logged in my account and since "email verification process" (when someone login from unknown device) he wasn't able to withdraw/tip any funds so he gambled all my balance away. And they can't do nothing to recover that balance (Even if no withdraw and bet placed on their own site) I don't know if this topic is the right place where asking for help, i hope yes, in case i say sorry to mods. Note: I don't know if what they are claiming is true (about i've gambled on crazytime) Because site have no bet history so i cannot check that, i've just checked withdraw history and there was nothing). Just my balance 0$. Im asking for help to Razer to check everything (i suppose they have logs and everything) in order to help me get my balance back. I have no reason to do all this shit for nothing since i gamble a lot and idc about losing/depositing. But this is very frustating that i won the bet and still have 0$ balance in my account. Scammers Profile Link: http://www.rollbit.comReference Link: Amount Scammed: Balance: $2150 Additional Notes: I may know how they logged in my account. I've googled rollbit and on first page as first result there was "sponsorizzed adv" as fake rollbit site. So they probably used that method. Please help me recover my balance, i also have full verification on my account and can send all proof of email i've received by rollbit during unathorized access and also my email provider (yes they tried to access to email provider too in order to confirm withdraw, with no success) I have all proof of erverything. Email received from rollbit: https://prnt.sc/T6HWIUz_wIayWhat i've received on my phone when they tried to login in my email in order to confirm withdraw (without success): https://prnt.sc/Gqi5Pg-zgdelCan you take a screen shot of bets made on April 23 and April 24. Then take a screen shot of all the bets that lost the last day to get your account to 0. I have no reason to doubt you. If the bets made to lose all your money are of different amounts and leagues, then we know it wasn’t you. Example of my reasoning. All your bets are $100 EPL. All of a sudden the last day they are all $500 American Baseball. Then there’s a good chance it wasn’t you. I picked those dates so we know that it’s a true reflection of your pattern instead of you searching for bets matching up. Although I agree with holydarkness in that it’s tough to recoup your funds since it wasn’t Rollbit’s fault but worth a shot. I've just asked to rollbit support to show me bet history made on that night because i can't find a way to check my bet history. Support agent said there is 1200$ bonus buy at slot "WANTED DEAD OR A WILD". Which i've never played that slot before (not even 1 spin). And suddently i should buy 1200$ bonus over 2k balance i had? 2024-04-30T21:17:52.020Z 1200 986.4 hacksaw:WantedDeadoraWild They spent almost 2k on that slot. have you played slots in the past or only sports? |
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I just noticed that you said you can’t see bet history. It would be nice if Rollbit posted those days and what was bet the last day. This would allow us to assess what happened.
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What happened:: I've been using rollbit for quite some time and never had an issue. Deposited/Withdraw a lot. Never an issue. Recently they even asked to verify my account to LEVEL 3 KYC. And i did that instantly without an issue. Everything went smooth. Fast forward to 3 days ago (30th March) I've logged in the site in the morning to place a sports bet as usually do almost everyday. Then i just logged out. The next day i've logged again in the site and first thing i've noticed that my balance was $0.00. I was very suprised so i go on the sports bet page and the bet was won. So i dind't understanded why my balance was still 0. I've contacted support immediatly and they said i've placed bets on crazytime over the night (which i never did). So i said it wasn't me and they immediatly locked my account and helped me to logout all devices, change password and enable 2fa. After all this process they said someone logged in my account and since "email verification process" (when someone login from unknown device) he wasn't able to withdraw/tip any funds so he gambled all my balance away. And they can't do nothing to recover that balance (Even if no withdraw and bet placed on their own site) I don't know if this topic is the right place where asking for help, i hope yes, in case i say sorry to mods. Note: I don't know if what they are claiming is true (about i've gambled on crazytime) Because site have no bet history so i cannot check that, i've just checked withdraw history and there was nothing). Just my balance 0$. Im asking for help to Razer to check everything (i suppose they have logs and everything) in order to help me get my balance back. I have no reason to do all this shit for nothing since i gamble a lot and idc about losing/depositing. But this is very frustating that i won the bet and still have 0$ balance in my account. Scammers Profile Link: http://www.rollbit.comReference Link: Amount Scammed: Balance: $2150 Additional Notes: I may know how they logged in my account. I've googled rollbit and on first page as first result there was "sponsorizzed adv" as fake rollbit site. So they probably used that method. Please help me recover my balance, i also have full verification on my account and can send all proof of email i've received by rollbit during unathorized access and also my email provider (yes they tried to access to email provider too in order to confirm withdraw, with no success) I have all proof of erverything. Email received from rollbit: https://prnt.sc/T6HWIUz_wIayWhat i've received on my phone when they tried to login in my email in order to confirm withdraw (without success): https://prnt.sc/Gqi5Pg-zgdelCan you take a screen shot of bets made on April 23 and April 24. Then take a screen shot of all the bets that lost the last day to get your account to 0. I have no reason to doubt you. If the bets made to lose all your money are of different amounts and leagues, then we know it wasn’t you. Example of my reasoning. All your bets are $100 EPL. All of a sudden the last day they are all $500 American Baseball. Then there’s a good chance it wasn’t you. I picked those dates so we know that it’s a true reflection of your pattern instead of you searching for bets matching up. Although I agree with holydarkness in that it’s tough to recoup your funds since it wasn’t Rollbit’s fault but worth a shot. |
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Welcome, Been gambling a lot on this website, I am a vip user and never had any issue with them. Last month on 2 april, I contacted the live chat and asked to be self excluded for amount 2 months until 1 june to be exact. They replied to me stating that I should contact block@1x-bit.com with this request and that they will take care of it. I did this (proof attached) and they never got back to me. I even contacted the live chat 1-2 days after in which they stated that I should wait for a response. Weeks passed, on 22/23 april I deposit around 20 MBTC in total and I lost. I got really mad, I contacted live chat again and asked to be permanently blocked and they told me to send a email, which is what I did. Now they blocked my account really quickly, within hours. Now I am requesting a refund because I asked to be self excluded and they did not grant it now they claim through email that they never received such request from me when I did in fact send them a email + I contacted live chat. I contact live chat now again today to ask for history of my live chat so that I can have extra proof that I contacted them more then once through live chat to be self excluded to make my case even more stronger - they say it's not possible to send me a history of the live chat, that they do not keep this. Competely unbelievable. I know all the warnings about this casino but I never had a problem with them and they were actually so nice but this right now is extremely bad customer service. Am I in the right here or wrong guys? Photo 1 where I request to be self excluded: https://imgur.com/a/U5WwvpOPhoto 2 where I request to be perm banned after I gambled: https://imgur.com/a/aFtcYeyPhoto 3 where they claim that they did not receive a request from me to be temporary self excluded, even though I emailed + contacted live chat multiply times: https://imgur.com/a/nqIECAoPhoto 4 where they state they cannot give me my live chat history: https://imgur.com/a/n2SE5noI feel bad for everyone with a gambling problem. But with your situation you would have taken the money had you won. Now you have to live with the loss. We all know that 1xbet is a bad book. The best thing that you should do is stay away from all gambling casinos and forums. Don't have anything to do with any type of gambling. If that doesn't work then GA is a must. You have to take self responsibility. |
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Update on poster jeffyeps prop bets at Stake on January 26. jeffyeps is a big player with multiple 5 figure deposits and withdrawals. His first day playing at Stake he made bets totaling $80,000. He's been playing at Stake for 3 years. Jan. 26 : Poster jeffyeps makes two prop bets, one a parlay and one straight, that include props on NBA player Jontay Porter. Both bets won at Stake paying out $42,463.48. Jan. 27 : A US Sportsbook, Draftkings, sends out notice that the 3-point player prop bet on Jonyat Porter was the biggest winner for the players on Jan. 26. Draftkings paid all players. Jan. 27 : Stake suspends the account of jeffyes. Stake's claim is that jeffyeps broke their ToS on having multiple accounts. jeffyeps had previously passed level 1 and 2 verification. Stake is now asking for more. Feb. 24 : jeffyeps files a complaint in scam accusations here at BCT. jeffyeps also files a complaint with AskGamblers. Stake keeps denying verification https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/stake-casino-stake-holding-43k-for-over-a-month-no-update . Stake has done this on multiple occasions, sometimes delaying payouts up to 5 months. Mar. 20 : Similar to Jan. 26, a lot of wagers were made on Dontay Porter props. Draftkings contacted gambling regulators for unusual betting patterns. The regulators went back looking at more prop where Jontay Porter was involved with unusually high amounts of tickets. While still under investigation, it looks as though the Jan 26 and March 20 bets were rigged. Prior to March 20, no one suspected the Jan 26 game and all bets were paid at other sportsbooks except for jeffyeps bets at Stake. Approximately Apr. 27 : Stake decides to confiscate jeffyeps' deposits and winnings. Analysis : 1. No honest sportsbook with a license in Curacao is going to accept prop bets paying out $42,463.48. The most common limit on NBA props for Curacao sportsbooks would be winnings of $500. 2. Stake had no intention of paying this player. The player was a large player and Stake took the wager knowing that either the player was going to lose or they weren't going to pay the player. Big crypto books can get away with this tactic since they will get forum backing. Players profiled as losing players that don't hit for a large amount will get paid hassle free. If a player gets profiled as a winner, a substantial amount is won or the player gets caught in a random KYC search, then it will be different at each book. Some books ban, others limit wager amounts and some confiscate winnings and deposits. 3. Even though Stake was unaware until months later, because the game was fixed, Stake should have kept jeffyeps' winnings and returned his balance. There are no claims that jeffyeps was involved in fixing the game. jeffyps completed all verification including proof of employment and funds. more on the game here https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues |
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Update on poster jeffyeps prop bets at Stake on January 26. jeffyeps is a big player with multiple 5 figure deposits and withdrawals. His first day playing at Stake he made bets totaling $80,000. He's been playing at Stake for 3 years.Jan. 26 : Poster jeffyeps makes two prop bets, one a parlay and one straight, that include props on NBA player Jontay Porter. Both bets won at Stake paying out $42,463.48. Jan. 27 : A US Sportsbook, Draftkings, sends out notice that the 3-point player prop bet on Jonyat Porter was the biggest winner for the players on Jan. 26. Draftkings paid all players. Jan. 27 : Stake suspends the account of jeffyes. Stake's claim is that jeffyeps broke their ToS on having multiple accounts. jeffyeps had previously passed level 1 and 2 verification. Stake is now asking for more. Feb. 24 : jeffyeps files a complaint in scam accusations here at BCT. jeffyeps also files a complaint with AskGamblers. Stake keeps denying verification https://www.askgamblers.com/casino-complaints/stake-casino-stake-holding-43k-for-over-a-month-no-update . Stake has done this on multiple occasions, sometimes delaying payouts up to 5 months. Mar. 20 : Similar to Jan. 26, a lot of wagers were made on Dontay Porter props. Draftkings contacted gambling regulators for unusual betting patterns. The regulators went back looking at more prop where Jontay Porter was involved with unusually high amounts of tickets. While still under investigation, it looks as though the Jan 26 and March 20 bets were rigged. Prior to March 20, no one suspected the Jan 26 game and all bets were paid at other sportsbooks except for jeffyeps bets at Stake. Approximately Apr. 27 : Stake decides to confiscate jeffyeps' deposits and winnings. Analysis : 1. No honest sportsbook with a license in Curacao is going to accept prop bets paying out $42,463.48. The most common limit on NBA props for Curacao sportsbooks would be winnings of $500. 2. Stake had no intention of paying this player. The player was a large player and Stake took the wager knowing that either the player was going to lose or they weren't going to pay the player. Big crypto books can get away with this tactic since they will get forum backing. Players profiled as losing players that don't hit for a large amount will get paid hassle free. If a player gets profiled as a winner, a substantial amount is won or the player gets caught in a random KYC search, then it will be different at each book. Some books ban, others limit wager amounts and some confiscate winnings and deposits. 3. Even though Stake was unaware until months later, because the game was fixed, Stake should have kept jeffyeps' winnings and returned his balance. There are no claims that jeffyeps was involved in fixing the game. jeffyps completed all verification including proof of employment and funds. more on the game here https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39808900/nba-eyes-raptors-jontay-porter-betting-issues
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It turns out that every book except Stake paid the bet as a winner. That bet was in January. The second time the game was rigged in March is when people caught on to games being rigged. DraftKings blew the whistle in March and regulators went back and looked at more bets. Stake had zero intent to pay the player. No one thought the January game was rigged until it happened a second time.
The player posted at BCT in February. Stake didn’t know the game was rigged until March.
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[...] Now, attempting to bring us back on track, to the topic being discussed, I believe you haven't give me an answer to this question? How do you propose this to be done? Do you want me to invite Steve and/or Jeremy to come back here? Far as I know, once they mark a case as settled [or handled externally, for this case], they're not returning to the thread. So your statement above has a very high chance of being missed.
I'd go "resolved". He took it to Steve in private and we haven't heard back. You could reopen if OP comes back. Oh sorry for being unclear, I was not talking about the OP of this thread and his case. I was talking about your open proposal to Sportsbet's representatives. As previously mentioned, SB's representative have tendency to not revisiting a thread when they consider it closed. But I think I can invite either one of them, or perhaps both, to answer your question below... if you still want to proceed? Then I’ll do it this way since I said I don’t want to pile on Sportsbet. If Steve or Jeremy deny that Sportsbet is taking deposits for first time offenses, I’ll hunt down cases. Otherwise I won’t clog up the forum and will just comment on new cases. [...]
I’m not really looking to rehash any old cases. I’m sure Jeremy reads the thread. If he disagrees with anything I’ve said then I’d be happy to show evidence requested but I’m not looking for a fight on old cases since there doesn’t seem to be any value to others. |
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I am biased. I always go in with the assumption that a player is innocent and a book must prove him guilty. His betting history isn’t good for his case which is why I didn’t declare him innocent at that point.
With the exception of books with licenses in the UK or US, no honest books give players limits where they can win $45k on prop bets and that's rare. I'm sure Draftkings won't do that again. Books that do this are going to take your money if you lose and take your money if you win on a $45k win prop bet. NBA prop bet limits are normally between $300 and $2000 offshore. I'd guess $500 is the most common. I just found something that I'll quote below although I think he's talking about US books.
If I went by which is more likely, I’d say the player is guilty. At the same time it’s very likely that Stake was going to steal his money either way.
Since neither can be proven, take away his winnings and return the rest of his balance. Dangerous precedent if Stake can steal whenever they want.
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I'm gonna drop the first paragraph of yours as things will spiralling down if it gets another oxygen. What I'd like to address is the last paragraph [well, from my quote, not from your original post], whether stake should return his deposit or not. Ethically, yes they should. They can't prove that the user is colluding, neither can the player proves he's innocent. If this is his first "offense", then jeffyeps entitled --again, ethically-- to a degree of benefit of doubt and get his betting fund returned. But legally? Stake has the full rights to do what they currently did, especially as there is an indication [as you acknowledged yourself] that his bets are somewhat questionable, and that he's not innocent. I believe Jeffyeps made a wrong assumption when he said that he has scrubbed the ToS and didn't find any that justifies Stake to confiscate his fund, since the term only said voiding a bet. Well, unfortunately he only scrubbed the sports-terms, not realizing that it is a "sub-terms" of a larger one, where the point previously mentioned resides]. The question is [and I believe it should be the closing question of this topic as we're once again have been way out of the topic] what will you do and say on his thread? Now, attempting to bring us back on track, to the topic being discussed, I believe you haven't give me an answer to this question? How do you propose this to be done? Do you want me to invite Steve and/or Jeremy to come back here? Far as I know, once they mark a case as settled [or handled externally, for this case], they're not returning to the thread. So your statement above has a very high chance of being missed.
I'd go "resolved". He took it to Steve in private and we haven't heard back. You could reopen if OP comes back. |
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It’s not for nefarious reasons but you are obviously siding with Stake. No one has proved the player did anything wrong and you think Stake can steal. There are no clauses that the player has broken.
Think logically. When people rig a game they make big bets. The line starts moving, a trend is set and honest people jump in on the bet. These people did nothing wrong.
I don't think I'm siding with Stake and I don't think Stake can steal, I'm simply [apparently] being the only one who read their ToS regarding this case. And being someone who read a ToS to get a better understanding of a case shouldn't directly translates into me siding with one party. Let me break it down, currently they're at the moot point. Stake can't prove if OP got tipped or simply followed a trend, but the fact remains, jeffyeps placed a bet that's later become problematic and Stake suspected him that he's in a breach of 4.19. with a nail on 4.19.e. [that I'll have to say, it's a rather "clever" way for them to cover themselves], thus 4.21.  It'll be a different case if Stake accuses jeffyeps out of the blue that he placed bet on a rigged game, or whichever point they can select from 4.19.a. to 4.19.d., for this, Stake will arguably tries to cheat from their player. The problem here is there was a basis. A game was rigged and made in collusive manner. Regardless he simply followed a tip or not, Stake reserves the right to withhold or retain the amount that otherwise payable to him as they consider the event may have occured or likely to occur. They can't exactly be said stealing from someone who give their consent to consequences they'll face upon some clauses in a list of agreement, can they? But allow me to turn the table, for argumentative purpose and not for nefarious reason. How sure are you that you are not biased and siding with the player? You require player on other cases to provide his betting history for your profiling. Has you profiled jeffyeps? What does it say? Here, below are the snippets of his bets that he previously provided. I believe analyzing betting history to profile someone is your forte?   I am biased. I always go in with the assumption that a player is innocent and a book must prove him guilty. His betting history isn’t good for his case which is why I didn’t declare him innocent at that point. With the exception of books with licenses in the UK or US, no honest books give players limits where they can win $45k on prop bets and that's rare. I've never seen anything close to that. I'm sure Draftkings won't do that again. Books that do this are going to take your money if you lose and take your money if you win on a $45k win prop bet. NBA prop bet limits are normally between $300 and $2000 offshore. I'd guess $500 is the most common. I just found something that I'll quote below although I think he's talking about US books. If I went by which is more likely, I’d say the player is guilty. At the same time it’s very likely that Stake was going to steal his money either way. When I've previously said the player did nothing wrong, the meaning was nothing wrong that has been proven. Since neither can be proven, take away his winnings and return the rest of his balance. Dangerous precedent if Stake can steal whenever they want. Adrian Wojnarowski
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Betting limits on NBA player props vary by sportsbook and customer, but are typically around $1,000 to $2,000. “People were trying to do whatever they could to bet Jontay Porter props [against the Clippers],” the source said. “And then, just a few days ago, the same thing. We had a bunch of people trying to bet under for more.”
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You can't edit a thread [as in the opening post] unless you're the OP of the said thread. I believe you know this. Were you trying to say that you'll edit the post quoted above with lists of cases? If so, I'll suggest you to create a new and separate thread instead of posting it here.
It'll rather be OOT if you post it here... though with careful and proper wording, I think you can make it a bit on-topic.
Talking about OOT a little... that guy on Stake who bets on Porter, I wonder what made him think the repercussion for such violation [be it deliberate or his claim is true that he's just following a trend] will just earn him a slap on the wrist, get the bet voided, and he will ultimately still get his funds returned. I would love to see the world he grew up in.
Then I’ll do it this way since I said I don’t want to pile on Sportsbet. If Steve or Jeremy deny that Sportsbet is taking deposits for first time offenses, I’ll hunt down cases. Otherwise I won’t clog up the forum and will just comment on new cases. How do you propose this to be done? Do you want me to invite Steve and/or Jeremy to come back here? Far as I know, once they mark a case as settled [or handled externally, for this case], they're not returning to the thread. So your statement above has a very high chance of being missed. The Stake player did nothing wrong. He was unfortunate to bet a game that turned out to be rigged. The player wasn’t in on it. Exclude the winnings and give him the rest of the money. Stake can’t steal the money from every single player that happened to bet that game. Other books aren’t stealing that money from anyone except those in on the fix.
Even those deposits will most likely have to be returned since it’s still under investigation. DraftKings blew the whistle and I don’t think there’s been a conclusion to the case.
How sure are we that he's innocent? Just like Stake can't prove that he got tipped to place the bet, that player can't also prove that his claim is true, that he's simply following the trend. I personally find it quite raising an eyebrow that [if he's simply following a trend] he placed a bet that's significantly higher than his usual bets, or that he bets on props. Maybe you can look into his betting history and do a profiling on him based on the data? Oh, by the way, if I may ventured OOT just a bit further, to straighten things, in case there is any doubt about my "bias", that I made those statement on that thread based on assumption, Stake's ToS actually covered about holding the fund for such circumstances. I had it screen captured in one of my device in case the necessity ever arise. He simply did not "scrub" deep enough. And no, this is not me being partial and siding with Stake. I still condemn their decision to drag cases for months and I still like to see myself as impartial on that case [despite that user seemingly think I am a devil's spawn]. I'm simply stating a fact here. A clause is written on their ToS, so I pointed that out. It’s not for nefarious reasons but you are obviously siding with Stake. No one has proved the player did anything wrong and you think Stake can steal. There are no clauses that the player has broken. Think logically. When people rig a game they make big bets. The line starts moving, a trend is set and honest people jump in on the bet. These people did nothing wrong. If Stake had 500 people make that bet can Stake steal the balances of all 500 people? |
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It wasn’t my intent to beat up on Sportsbet here with an onslaught of cases. But to answer your question it’s going to come across that way. A little later I’ll edit this thread and post cases where Sportsbet takes winnings and deposits. Even with accused first time offenses, Sportsbet wasn’t returning deposits. With Stake we just saw a case where Stake grabbed a guys deposits. It was the Porter rigged prop bets.
My opinion is if you are profiled as a loser, Stake and Sportsbet pay fast. They know you are giving the money back so they aren’t going to bother you. If you are profiled as a possible winner or hit for a lot of money, there’s a decent chance of having KYC done and it can be extensive. The other options would be to limit your wagers, give you a second set of lines or change your margins and it can be done fast.
This type of thing is by no means new to the sports betting industry. They’ve been profiling sports gamblers prior to the Internet when people had to walk in casinos. Limits were changed for some. Beards (people making bets for a winner to hide identity) are used to enter casinos.
What is new is that these online casinos are stealing money from winners and those hitting for big money.
You can't edit a thread [as in the opening post] unless you're the OP of the said thread. I believe you know this. Were you trying to say that you'll edit the post quoted above with lists of cases? If so, I'll suggest you to create a new and separate thread instead of posting it here. It'll rather be OOT if you post it here... though with careful and proper wording, I think you can make it a bit on-topic. Talking about OOT a little... that guy on Stake who bets on Porter, I wonder what made him think the repercussion for such violation [be it deliberate or his claim is true that he's just following a trend] will just earn him a slap on the wrist, get the bet voided, and he will ultimately still get his funds returned. I would love to see the world he grew up in. Then I’ll do it this way since I said I don’t want to pile on Sportsbet. If Steve or Jeremy deny that Sportsbet is taking deposits for first time offenses, I’ll hunt down cases. Otherwise I won’t clog up the forum and will just comment on new cases. The Stake player did nothing wrong. He was unfortunate to bet a game that turned out to be rigged. The player wasn’t in on it. Exclude the winnings and give him the rest of the money. Following the trend on one bet makes it ok for Stake to steal your balance? I follow the trend on tons of plays. Stake can’t steal the money from every single player that happened to bet that game. Other books aren’t stealing that money from anyone except those in on the fix. If you had bet that game, should Stake steal your money or just cancel winnings? Even those deposits from the fixers will most likely have to be returned. Stealing the whole balance is illegal. DraftKings blew the whistle and I don’t think there’s been a conclusion to the case which is why the money is being held. |
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This is the way things should be handled. A player got cleared in one day, not 5 months.
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Thanks for the information. I’ll make changes and deep dive into all three but will take a little time. |
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Umm... how sure are we that those reviewers did not get what's rightfully theirs instead of getting things settled but didn't bother to come back to update the review? For example, cases on this forum are occasionally left unattended and not updated by the user once they get what they want and their case got resolved, people need to infer it themselves from the flow of the discussion and exchange of communication with SB's [or other casinos'] representatives.
Likewise, from your own example, how sure are we that the the player eventually got his fund back but he simply didn't bother to revise his entry on trustpilot?
And that is just from reviewer who are legit innocent. We still have to consider butt-hurt people who loses big or caught cheating on SB and tries to vent up their anger by creating a misleading review.
I don't read the reviews one by one, thoroughly [and not reading Stake representative's responses either], but if those "disputes" are transferred into this thread, I think at least half of them will be invalid due to the lack of supporting evidence?
I do a lot of research for grading purposes, not just here and Trust Pilot. I’m sure that most cases posted publicly aren’t valid but Sportsbet, Stake and 1xbet are bad with confiscating deposits and winnings. I am once again find myself in a confusion reading your post and think it's a bit contradictive. Perhaps you don't mind to explain it better? 1xbet-and-bit aside as their nefarious reputation is very much well established... about reviews for Stake and SB, if most cases that's being posted on trustpilot are not valid, then wouldn't it imply they're a smear campaign or people throwing muds or venting their anger for being busted? And thus, them confiscating deposits and winning are either a false statement made by the smear campaigners and mud slingers, or a valid one from those who got their account blocked and got angry at SB and Stake [and perhaps any other big casinos out there] and try to make them pay by giving low rating and scalding review? It wasn’t my intent to beat up on Sportsbet here with an onslaught of cases. But to answer your question it’s going to come across that way. A little later I’ll edit this thread and post cases where Sportsbet takes winnings and deposits. Even with accused first time offenses, Sportsbet wasn’t returning deposits. With Stake we just saw a case where Stake grabbed a guys deposits. It was the Porter rigged prop bets. My opinion is if you are profiled as a loser, Stake and Sportsbet pay fast. They know you are giving the money back so they aren’t going to bother you. If you are profiled as a possible winner or hit for a lot of money, there’s a decent chance of having KYC done and it can be extensive. The other options would be to limit your wagers, give you a second set of lines or change your margins and it can be done fast. This type of thing is by no means new to the sports betting industry. They’ve been profiling sports gamblers prior to the Internet when people had to walk in casinos. Limits were changed for some. Beards (people making bets for a winner to hide identity) are used to enter casinos. What is new is that these online casinos are stealing money from winners and those hitting for big money. |
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Personally I have very good experiences with Crashino, Betplay.io and Blackjack.fun. They deserve better than D in my opinion, especially also cause they have been years around by now.
I'll take a look at all 3. Most likely the only one that can jump out of the Ds is Blackjack.fun. The other two are less than a year old. Peeps Place if you are not rating DirectBet, and not allowing to post DirectBet, then you don't have right to quote post from DirectBet thread.
If you accuse DirectBet from quoting then he have all rights to defend himself.
I strongly believe that if a person gets mentioned then it is fair enough to allow the person defend himself, its even more when its a brand, they should be allowed to defend them self, talking about DirectBet They've been out of business for a long time. That post goes back 10 years. Only one post has ever been deleted in this thread. The only thing that gets deleted is overly repetitive posts. For books their only rule is not to post about another book since the intent here is not to get into a bookie vs bookie fight. Posters are free to post whatever they want. |
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OP, Were you paid? POSTED ON APRIL 27, 2024
Dear Sir,
We appreciate your patience during the review of your case. Please be assured that our top priority remains to ensure a secure and compliant environment for all our users.
Furthermore, we are pleased to inform you that the restrictions on your account have been lifted, and you now have full access to the platform.
Should you have any further questions or require assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Once again, we appreciate your understanding and cooperation throughout this process.
Kind regards, Even if paid, holding your money for 5+ months and requiring unnecessary documentation is unacceptable especially when Stake can share your information with a third party. You needed help from multiple entities just to get the case settled in 5 months. It was a fishing expedition on the part of Stake. |
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Update | SportsBooks | | | Rating | | | Year | | | Country | | | KYC | | | MISC | | | Promos | | | Support | | | ANN thread | | | | | --------------------- | | | -------- | | | -------- | | | ---------- | | | ------ | | | ----------------------------------- | | | ------------ | | | ---------------------- | | | ------------ | | | | "A" rated books | | | Betcoin | | | A+ | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 1 | | | Racebook, Poker, Two Books | | | | | | | | | | | | | Nitrobetting | | | A- | | | 2021 | | | Costa Rica | | | 1 | | | Racebook and Poker | | | | | | | | | | | | | "B" rated books | | | | | | | | | | Fortune Jack | | | B+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Bitsler | | | B | | | 2015 | | | Curacao | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Cloudbet | | | B- | | | 2013 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "C" rated books | | | Betfury | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Maverickgames | | | C+ | | | 2020 | | | Isle of Man | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Roobet | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 5 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Trustdice | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Wolf | | | C+ | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Duelbits | | | C | | | 2020 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Owl | | | C | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | 500.casino | | | C- | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | | MBet | | | | | | 2017 | | | Cyprus | | | 2 | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | coinroyale.com | | | C- | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | | mint.io | | | C- | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | - | | | | Parlayplus | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | - | | | 2 | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | Sportsbet | | | C- | | | 2016 | | | Curacao | | | 3 | | | Racebook | | | | | | | | | | | | | Stake | | | C- | | | 2019 | | | Curacao | | | 4 | | | opened as casino 2014 | | | | | | | | | | | | | Rollbit | | | D+ | | | 2021 | | | Curacao | | | - | | | - | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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