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1241  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 23, 2021, 09:52:25 PM
Best Tweet of the year!



Ethereum's problems will ALL be over once they go ahead and centralize all the way.
1242  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 10:08:01 PM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyve6vpBFBc
1243  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 22, 2021, 02:18:47 PM
Part of me is fucking concerned if I’m honest.
My gut is telling me S2F falls apart soon. In shambles and an afterthought by March 2022.
Hope I'm wrong, but I think we should expect a slower rise than some are anticipating.

Bleh, just found this post. I think we might be in for a bit of a rougher ride, after all, gentlemen.

I do not like putting my ass on the line like this... Because no one knows the future.  And this cycle topping out at 68k is "not bad at all"tm and I have been someone who feels fairly sure that the s2f model breaks one way or the other.

And perhaps most poignantly I have BTC bags and WANT the corn to rise... so there's that.

Wait there's one more... you have also shown a skill for knowing when to sell a little...

But.  

-This is not 2013 or 2017  
-We have a couple working layer twos.  
-We have a COUNTRY building a tax free "Bitcoin City"
-ES deserves two lines because they are also thumbing their nose at the IMF which is awesome.
-The Macro environment is deeply into uncharted territory.
-Retail has only bought tulips so far this year.
-Big players are going to buy all the bitcoin they can on these dips.

I do not think we are done yet.  There.  Ass on the line.
1244  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 22, 2021, 12:17:03 AM
YES YES YES YES YES.  A THOUSAND YESSES. Wink

Same here...  I also bought Monero early on, and have held.  And I emphatically believe that Monero has a completely different set of tradeoffs than Bitcoin.  Those tradeoffs produce a different set of both advantages and disadvantages.

I just hear so much from Monero "community leaders" where they attack Bitcoin, and "dumb maxis" and even insult some privacy maximalist bitcoinners who are starting to actually come over to monero.  It's level 1 thinking, and obviously it pisses me off Wink

As Hueristic points out though... it is mostly Twitter.  And I can stop paying so much attention.

Still, I think the balanced approach to Monero and it's usefulness that you have just outlined is still very important.
1245  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 21, 2021, 10:36:47 PM
My point is stop yelling about Bitcoin, and just let people understand why Monero is worth using.  That's what Samurai and BnGuns is doing.  And the monero community is criticizing them for being un-pure.

THAT is my point.

You gotta stop reading twitter, maybe try Instagram. Grin

You have a great point.  But sadly Twitter is where the crypto community lives.  Well, there and reddit which is just the same tone nowadays.
1246  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 21, 2021, 09:21:08 PM
I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me.  I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community".  But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.


Wink

I’m not sure if anyone should be shitting on BTC just to prop up XMR but I’m one of those people who think that everything people thought what BTC is, is really what XMR actually is.  From anonymity, fungibility to privacy.  So if you find me shitting on BTC as a currency, it’s not deliberate and I don’t hate BTC.  It’s just the way it is.  I mean what can we do?  It’s technically all true.

I have NO problem with this line of thought... it's true.  Monero IS what people thought Bitcoin was.  Except with a more difficult way to insure there is not hidden inflation, less ease of use, no layer 2 (yet), little hardware support and so on, and so on.

My point summed up is: do not try to outcompete Bitcoin. 

Just BE MONERO. 

That is enough.




Is it trying to compete with Bitcoin tho?  It is technically better than BTC from a privacy perspective which in turn is starting to take away BTC’s use case as a currency for DNM’s.  It will also start creeping in all the other use cases like the store of value meme.  I mean if you hold millions worth of crypto why would you like to be exposed in a rich list somewhere.

I am not concerned with whether Monero competes with Bitcoin.  And I think Monero is most certainly better than bitcoin at being digital cash currently.  And currently Bitcoin is better at being digital gold.

I think there is privacy coming to Bitcoin's layer 2 that will rival Monero's.  Eventually.  L-BTC already has CT baked in.  Once you hold value on that chain it has disappeared into a cloud of math.  And most maxis see liquid as a layer2 of bitcoin.  So bitcoin is already stealing some of Monero's tricks (although many maxis will point out that CT was suggested my Greg Maxwell for BITCOIN.)  Privacy on lightning is also understudied, and I think as it improves will become very strong generally.

But again, my point is not whether or not "Monero is better than Bitcoin".  My point is the Monero COMMUNITY is tilting at windmills trying to proclaim that Monero will beat bitcoin.

It's the ultimate shitcoin argument, and monero is better than that.  All it has to do is capture all the DNM traffic.  Then establish a relative security as a store of value, and then draw the politicians in.

My point is stop yelling about Bitcoin, and just let people understand why Monero is worth using.  That's what Samurai and BnGuns is doing.  And the monero community is criticizing them for being un-pure.

THAT is my point.
1247  Other / Off-topic / Re: [WO/Hat-Gang Only - MODERATED] The fucking COVID vax thread (No hat? Fuck off!) on: November 21, 2021, 01:41:53 AM
This is a damn good editorial...  I hope more people catch on in time.

https://www.gbnews.uk/gb-views/neil-oliver-will-we-remain-silent-while-such-a-dark-tide-slides-ever-closer-to-our-own-shores-one-country-at-a-time/161746
1248  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2021, 03:44:02 PM
El duderino_ they are looking for you... Grin
with your mcdonalds hat you would fit in there immediately Cheesy




I seriously doubt Miccy-D would screw up "Bro's" like that.. but that's a nice photoshop.
1249  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2021, 01:34:53 PM
But in all this to me the United States is the interesting one.
The left screamed and jumped at the Orange Man Bad thing because he was just like Hitler.
Now they are left with a federal government that seems more like the thing they claimed they were worried about, rather than one that will let liberty prosper.

For a relative young country built on freedom I find that truly astonishing.

Luckily we still have a country (for now anyway) with States that have local laws, and governors that can override certain federal bullshit. Or at least challenge them and fire off lawsuits to sue the federal govt over constitutionality and civil rights.

The trick is finding the right state in which to live.

I think Texas and Florida might be the best bets currently.  I really hope our ports in Houston end up getting really really busy.  Our risk here is if the government does not stay on the right, or the blue dog left, then we will see the borders opened and it's all over for Tejas.  That's the plan.
1250  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2021, 01:30:08 PM
Bulls are anemic
Selloffs have retail volume
What does this show us?


#apocryphal_haiku






Bears painting the tape
Let's make TA great again
Ban OTC trades





#haiku

Ha! Love it.  I do not want to ban OTC trades, but I do thin you have found part of the answer.
1251  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2021, 01:07:30 PM
Only a week into the Austrian lockdown for the unvaccinated, now a lockdown for everyone and if you don't get vaccinated by February 1st 2022 you will be punished.

After all Arbeit Macht Frei right?

People / sheep seem to be just like frogs.

No one is realising they are slowly being boiled alive.

Just go along with anything, it's good for you. Oh you already have natural immunity against the virus? Nah, that doesn't count, you will submit to the boner pill manufacturer god!

Don't trust BTC, here, take some more of this dogshit pick up paper with a number on it whilst we print some more dogshit pick up paper and make you poorer in the process.
But don't even trust BTC!
How can you possibly get it into your head that you hesitate when trusting us, the government. When have we EVER done anything bad to you?

These things are terrible.

I hope tho that you know the history behind the German you quote, and the role that Austria specifically played in that dark time?

To me, this happening in that particular country, shows where on the political spectrum modern authoritarianism in the Western world mostly (mostly!) originates.

For a long time I have theorised that the EU is nothing more than an effort to create authoritarianism under the cloak of that "we can never let authoritarianism happen again".
Will the EU say anything about Austrian's extreme mandates or instead not mind if this approach gets rolled out everywhere else? Are they secretly backing this or even the cause of it? I have my suspicions.

But in all this to me the United States is the interesting one.
The left screamed and jumped at the Orange Man Bad thing because he was just like Hitler.
Now they are left with a federal government that seems more like the thing they claimed they were worried about, rather than one that will let liberty prosper.

For a relative young country built on freedom I find that truly astonishing.

Make no mistake, I'm not trying to steer the conversation away from Bitcoin with my posts.
I'm trying to connect fiat money, BTC, an upside down media (disappearance of journalism), propaganda and governments which mandate quite evil rules together as I think it's all relevant.


It is entirely relevant.  Bitcoin is an important part of the hope we have to survive what I hope will come to be recognized as the third great war. (Spoiler: it is well under way).

Critical thinkers at least see that something does not add up.

What you are seeing is the biggest/latest push in an ongoing strategy to render western democracies neutered for the sake of destroying the world economy and then reforming the government of the world as a communist/socialist utopia.  (You will own nothing and you will be happy.)

This plan has been going on for decades, and the people who have  been able to see it have been called crazy for all that time.

They still are.  But enough of the mask has been peeled back at this point that others are beginning to realize that some of those crazy people were right.  I am among them.

What is happening in Australia is a testbed for what may be rolled our throughout the west, if it works.

I am glad that my country STILL may be able to survive this and hopefully offer the world a way out of this plan with as little bloodshed as possible.

Our two most important freedoms are under the heaviest attack they ever have had since our founding, but we can hope they survive the onslaught:


Quote
Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

And as important this which follows:


Quote
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


Free Speech is under attack.  That has been the aim of almost all the covid regulations.  They have directly attacked everything in that amendment.  Churches unable to assemble, people unable to gather etc.  And the press has been coopted.  And what is left of the free press has been labeled "Nazi" or "Alt-Right".

The right to bear arms will come under a more extreme attack soon. 

But with those two things intact they cannot win.

Bitcoin, will also be an important freedom as part of the plan, as we all know, is to replace the money of the world.
1252  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2021, 03:02:47 AM



The selloffs have retail volume.  

The bulls.  Do not.

What does this show us?
1253  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2021, 01:46:11 PM


I am sorry. Should I argue with him? Okay okay. I will follow your suggestions Grin

Oh.. you won't have to "argue with him", really.  Just post, and he will handle all the arguing and fussing about.  It's easy.
1254  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2021, 01:19:35 PM


cAPSLOCK asked to Argue with you. I know he is joking Grin

I doubt that cAPSLOCK is completely joking.. sometimes merely disagreeing with me will earn you merits from some other forum members..

1255  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2021, 01:13:29 PM
You and me both my friend.
Either planet Earth is the only life harboring planet in the universe or it is not.
We may never know. But regardless, either scenario is mind boggling.
I've read a few articles that basically say, we can't be the only planet in the whole universe with life ... there are billions of stars per galaxy, and billions of galaxies, and an exponential number of planets per star (well, some stars have no planets, but some stars have solar systems like ours.)
We just haven't seen them, or they haven't seen us, or somehow we are too far apart to see each other, or they may have lived long time ago.

Never mind the observable universe is only ~13 Billion light years. Who knows what lays beyond...

... it's a pretty good bet that the "speed of light" limitation on travel is an artificial limit entirely created within our own limited knowledge of the physical universe

.... quantum electrodynamics is incomplete, gravitational theory is incomplete and both will remain incomplete until a successful unification of the two, which is likely to lead to a revolutionary new paradigm in physics, given that the both of them are so far apart and have resisted unification for so long it's a good chance there is a massive hole in current understanding of the reality of the physical world (maybe the metaphysical also, many worlds, multiverse, etc)

... once you let go of this 'speed of light' limit notion then the galaxy is your oyster, so to speak

... and yes the Galactic Empire is probably a 'thing' and has likely been watching us for a very long time but they have a 'Star Trek' like code of ethics about interfering in a primitive civilisations development, without invitation from the developing civilisation itself ... it's likely we'll even be allowed to destroy ourselves with our own 'free will' without them intervening ... but there are always rogue rule-breakers and outlaw cowboys who come to yuck it up and who do flash themselves to the human natives from time to time for shits and giggles



We live at the end of the atomic age, and on the threshold of the quantum age.
1256  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2021, 04:32:42 AM
The daily and the 50 day MA are nasty looking right now...



The next blahbity blah is blah blahby blah.
1257  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 18, 2021, 04:27:54 AM
@cAPSLOCK

I was replying to this
Quote
Franky the dev community has shifted

For some people such as hyc, "Bitcoin=bad" is probably not a shift, they came to Monero with that view and at least in part because of that view.

We can obviously debate that view, or even try to convince them. That would be a different question. Let's understand that not everyone within the Monero community is or ever was "Bitcoin good, Monero better" or "Bitcoin and Monero both good". There are a variety of perspectives on the matter.



It's a good distinction you are making.  I am talking about the dev community as a whole, having shifted in it's general demeanor, and I bought up a particularly important single member as an example.

You are talking about the views of the individuals that make up that group, and how they may have come in.  So in a way we are talking about exactly the same things and exactly not.

I can accept the views of individuals, and also observe that the general tenor is way more "What Bitcoin meant to be".  AND at the same time personally think that both Bitcoin and Monero have roles to fill.
1258  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero Speculation on: November 17, 2021, 09:32:30 PM
I don't follow twitter drama so can you explain what that shit means because i'm lost?

Basically Tuman is complaining that the Bitcoin Maximalists who are beginning to embrace Monero are hurting it by not shitting all over bitcion because it is not really "peer to peer cash" (BCASH argument) and Monero is actually the anointed crypto that will eventually replace Bitcoin (actually ALSO BCASH argument).

The Maxis who are quietly beginning to embrace Monero call him a fool.

It's probably bad for my health, but this whole line has begun to irritate the shit out of me.  I disavow the Bitcoin bashing that is growing in popularity in the XMR camp.

But since that is making me just an outdated broken record, I am trying to just quit having anything to do with the "community".  But like any internet suicide I have ever seen I keep coming back like the walking dead.


Wink

I’m not sure if anyone should be shitting on BTC just to prop up XMR but I’m one of those people who think that everything people thought what BTC is, is really what XMR actually is.  From anonymity, fungibility to privacy.  So if you find me shitting on BTC as a currency, it’s not deliberate and I don’t hate BTC.  It’s just the way it is.  I mean what can we do?  It’s technically all true.

I have NO problem with this line of thought... it's true.  Monero IS what people thought Bitcoin was.  Except with a more difficult way to insure there is not hidden inflation, less ease of use, no layer 2 (yet), little hardware support and so on, and so on.

My point summed up is: do not try to outcompete Bitcoin. 

Just BE MONERO. 

That is enough.



Franky the dev community has shifted into the anti-bitcoin camp pretty hard.  As much great work as hyc_symas has done (RandomX in partcular) he seems to be prety far into the "Bitcoin is for evil rightist libertarians, and Monero is the anointed crypto" camp.

Some people, I think hyc for example, decided to work on, invest in, or support Monero specifically after evaluating Bitcoin and finding it lacking. You can't blame them for having that view, even if you don't share it. It seems to be sincerely acquired, just a somewhat different path from people who were or are Bitcoiners and also found Monero interesting.

I don't blame them for having that view at all.  That is either shifting the goal posts, or the result of my argument being badly presented.

I think majoring on "Bitcoin=Bad/Monero=Good" is a flawed position.

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]
1259  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 17, 2021, 06:53:33 PM
This is a bear trap...

Just sayin'.

Strap in?  Or Strap on?  Pick your fav I guess...

Just quoting as a reminder...
1260  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 17, 2021, 03:48:20 PM
Argue with JJG ...

Oh god please no. Just no.

Just take your vaccine and relax!

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