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1281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitTalk Podcast - Episode 1 | Subscribe @ BitTalk.tv on: June 25, 2011, 08:12:38 AM
Network fucking rocks! Subscribed!
1282  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 25, 2011, 06:48:22 AM
There are more "educated" people on the planet that have been "educated" by the school system than in history. Yet the population continues to explode.

Today's education system and society at large is no measure of a relevant education. Our values are distorted, causing aberrant behavior that has negative consequences. With a relevant education, people would understand that a population cannot grow beyond the resources of a finite system such as our planet.

The hope is you'll go away because you're annoying and just keep blindly defending your ideas with anything you can pull out of your ass. Your whole movement is a joke and you only jeep giving it a worse reputation by continuing to post. Shut up and go do something productive.

At least you've admitted that your goal is not to have a productive or intellectually honest discussion or argument, but to cease any talk about these ideas at all. For someone so insistent that other people be productive, that seems futile and unproductive to me. Thank you for being honest about your goal though.
1283  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 25, 2011, 06:39:56 AM
Would you trust me to make decisions for you?

Decisions are not made, they are arrived at using information and data derived through the scientific method and in accordance with the goals of sustainability and providing a high quality of life for all people. Central planning is not required because reality is decentralized, so our methods and systems would also have to be decentralized in order to deal with it.
1284  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 25, 2011, 06:34:14 AM
Venus Project = Communism with a splash of Star Trek?
No.

You people don't understand the scientific method. You don't have a clue on how it works on social sciences. You also don't understand the actual economic system and you're lied (on every fuckin' Zeitgeist movie) about how it works for the sect to guide you to their misguided conclusions.
Baseless assertion, ad hominem attack, baseless assertion with no supporting evidence, and another ad hominem attack.

You can't use the scientific method if you don't know how to use it. You can't change economy if you don't know how it works.
Tautology, unsupported irrelevant statement of ignorance.

People entering the Zeitgeist movement or the Venus Project are entering inside a sect/cult and that's a fact.
Repeated baseless assertion with no supporting evidence, again highlighting your ignorance.

You people are fools. They fooled you because you didn't read enough books and you didn't think by yourselves. You are so confident just because the group (the cult/sect actually) reinforces your vision.
Ad hominem attack, baseless assertion from ignorance combined with ad hominem attack, baseless assertion based on previous baseless assertions that again highlight your ignorance.

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Yes, the world is fucked up. It always has been.  But it's not fucked up in the way you believe, because you don't understand nor the actual economic system nor the scientific method.
Assertion, assertion, baseless assertion combined with ad hominem attack.

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BTW: The Venus Projects advocates a dictatorship. The dictatorship of the people who write the AI that supossedly would substitute every political process, every engineer, every architect and every doctor (yeah I can link you to the actual Venus Project paper that states such NONSENSE).
Baseless assertion with no supporting evidence despite being hinted at and strangely not provided, again highlighting your ignorance.

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You people are crazy sect sheeple.
Ad hominem attack.

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And I'm not trying to convince you of that, you are inside a sect and I don't think you can easily be freed from the sect. I'm just here to warn people who read this thread and haven't entered YOUR CULT/SECT yet.
Ignorant statement and finally the stated desire to manipulate others into believing what you want them to without providing any evidence for your claims or providing any argument worthy of discussion or attention.
1285  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 24, 2011, 09:38:04 AM
Neither the Movement nor the Venus Project do not resemble a cult in any meaningful way. We make no fantastic claims

Premise of global happyiness for everyone:


One charismatic leader:


Monumental, fantastic visions detached from reality (everything is perfectly organised, huge, futuristic and beautiful)


No one is promised happiness, just an economy that does not perpetuate the artificial mechanisms of competition, greed, fear and ignorance throughout society.

Fresco is not a leader of any sort. He claims constantly that his ideas are subject to change as new technology and ideas emerge.

We are technically capable of producing better cities and utilizing technology that we currently possess to attain such a state.

You continue to be incorrect, please learn more about what you are arguing against.
1286  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 24, 2011, 07:00:08 AM
Quick reminder for the last comments, obviously you did not read the thread.

1. TZM != TVP

2. Techno-cult bla bla bla bullshit: don't just put labels, read the material, argue with reason and provide actual criticism or STFU.

Jesus guy, I sat through Zeitgeist Addendum didn't I, wasn't that enough?

I could write criticisms but frankly a glance through history should reveal that people have thought Venus Project thoughts before...

in history...



even in sci-fi...



Many, many times.

There is no Year Zero, if you don't know why already I cannot help you.

By all means dream your irrelevant pristine dreams, and don't let boring stupid tedious quarrelsome humanity get in your way.


It's certainly easy to take down irrelevant strawmen without discussing anything meaningful. Pointing out a failed sociopolitical experiment that in no way resembles the ideas being discussed, or a work of fiction, does little to point out what it is you actually disagree with specifically.
1287  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 24, 2011, 06:56:36 AM
Zeitgeist Movement and Project Venus are sects/cults. Just letting you know that.

Neither the Movement nor the Venus Project do not resemble a cult in any meaningful way. We make no fantastic claims nor adhere to any fundamental tenets of belief or spirituality. We propose the use of science to make life better for people. Referring to the people associating with this idea as a cult exposes your ignorance, fear and unwillingness to engage ideas honestly or intellectually.
1288  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Announcing BitTalk! Stay tuned @ BitTalk.TV on: June 24, 2011, 04:47:15 AM
Looking forward to it!
1289  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 23, 2011, 09:40:18 PM
http://twit.tv/sn306

Security Now covers the week of bitcoin woes. The worst thing he did was tell everyone that wallet encryption is a feature that's already implemented in the client.
1290  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 23, 2011, 06:10:29 PM
We already live in a resource based economy.

The major problem we have is the fact that the monetary system is transferring wealth from the bottom to the top. With each new dollar that is printed a little bit of your current dollars goes down in value. The wealth is transferred to bankers and Washington (who gets to spend the new dollars first).

With bitcoin this does not occur. Rather the money supply inflates very quickly early on but slows down over time. Eventually it gets to the point where the increase in new money being created is marginal and results in little or no inflation. The power to print money is returned to the people who ought to be the rightful owners of it. Bitcoin is the currency of the people.

Thomas  Jefferson said in 1802:
'I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.'

What he is referring to is that the power of the printing press allows banks to create artificial booms and bust cycles. When you want to create a boom cycle you simply start printing lots of money, which the banks lend. This creates easy/cheap credit which businesses and individuals borrow. This also creates an artificial boom in the stock market/asset prices. When you want to create the bust you simply stop printing money or reduce the rate at which you print. This makes it difficult for people to repay their loans. As a result they default. When people start defaulting it sends panic in the market and you get a bust. It is at this very moment that banks will fire up the printing press once again and buy up large amounts of assets for cheap. This is what occurred in the great depression and the more recent 2006 housing bust.

There is also the problem of interest. All money put in circulation has been done so by borrowing it at interest from the fed. It is impossible to repay 14.5 trillion in loans from the fed if there is only 14 trillion total money supply.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.  Already they have raised up a moneyed aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."    Thomas Jefferson

When you use bitcoins rather than fiat currency you are returning the power of money back to the people.

Money artificially favors an arbitrary group of people, no matter how "free" it is. It is also entirely irrelevant to natural resources and processes. A true RBE does not require money because there is no way to conjure value or utility from an idea.
1291  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What have you purchased with Bitcoin? on: June 23, 2011, 06:49:22 AM
The writing services of our very own Atlas, and a Bitcoin Badge, which in hindsight, probably not the wisest purchase...but still cool!
1292  Other / Off-topic / Re: New BitCoin Comic on: June 22, 2011, 11:02:46 PM
You should probably just draw everything that this guy says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQRu5yR0r9w
1293  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: June 22, 2011, 10:50:30 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/tzm-town-hall

The Zeitgeist Movement recently held their first Town Hall meeting in LA this weekend. It is something that is going to be down more frequently to help engage the community with these ideas. Please check it out if you're interested in the subject!

Also, thanks for keeping the discussion ongoing and relevant. It is good to see.
1294  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: EFF donations and the Bitcoin Faucet on: June 22, 2011, 12:50:46 PM
What about the bitcoin firehydrant?

http://bitcoinme.com/index.php/fire-hydrant/
1295  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Jokes on: June 22, 2011, 12:01:30 PM
What's the difference between bitcoins and rape?

You can tell a funny rape joke.
1296  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Good News: Mt.Gox has a new logo!! on: June 22, 2011, 11:30:16 AM
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#1 - Established
#2 - Professional
#3 - Trustworthy

None out of three ain't bad...
1297  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Non-Verbal Analysis of statements by Mark and Dave (MtGox) on: June 22, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
Interesting analysis. This is why I'm always gratified to see people's faces recorded on video so that we can have access to this kind of data. I wonder if they will show their faces publicly ever again.
1298  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Forum moderation policy on: June 21, 2011, 09:09:57 AM
what about a "last edited %CLOCK%" function for edited posts?

I would also like this implemented.
1299  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: GUI mining - updated host address for slush's pool on: June 20, 2011, 12:40:49 AM
Code:
2011-06-19 19:36:01: Listener for "BTC2" started
2011-06-19 19:36:01: Listener for "BTCcpu" started
2011-06-19 19:36:01: Listener for "BTCcpu": bitcoin-miner 0.13  Copyright (c) 2011 Ufasoft  http://ufasoft.com/open/bitcoin
2011-06-19 19:36:01: Listener for "BTCcpu": Mining for http://btcmine.com:8332
2011-06-19 19:36:01: Listener for "BTCcpu": 4 threads Using SSE2
2011-06-19 19:36:02: Listener for "BTC1": [19/06/2011 19:36:02] Phoenix 1.48 starting...
2011-06-19 19:36:02: Listener for "BTC2": [19/06/2011 19:36:02] Phoenix 1.48 starting...
2011-06-19 19:36:02: Listener for "BTC2":xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[19/06/2011 19:36:02] Connected to server
2011-06-19 19:36:02: Listener for "BTC1":xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx[19/06/2011 19:36:02] Connected to server

Getting a repeating weird ASCII symbol where the x's are. Anyone else having this issue? Is it meaningful?
1300  Other / Off-topic / Re: New BitCoin Comic on: June 19, 2011, 10:14:53 PM
You might want to look into working with these guys. http://bitsyndicated.com

Keep 'em coming!
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