Funny? Funny how? Am I a clown for you? Do I amuse you?  This is also suppose to be me?... hmm... how does one make one of these?? Screen grab from this video. I use GIMP. You can export layers as a gif. Import video and it will set each frame as a layer, that sort of thing. You do need to install one of the animation plug-ins to do gifs. Free and can do most everything Photoshop can, although it is not nearly as intuitive to use. |
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What might we infer from the sudden excitement and chatter from those that were so silent for so long.
Paul and Mage were discussing the future of xpy, Mage has helped, may help going forward and Paul is of the opinion the coin should be left to die. I agree, it should be left to die. My sense is they think the board is divided and they are here for a show of sympathy to gain support for all the non-profit (lol!) prime controllers and xpy to continue the pump and dump.  |
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Now look what you've caused!  Am i not allowed to think this is funny? Funny? Funny how? Am I a clown for you? Do I amuse you? |
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A less dank GIF to liven things up during this intermission:  An answer to the miner rack pic would be nice, that one can't be all that hard? Real? Photoshop? Unboxed retail inventory? Something other? |
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OK SO I had a few things wrong but I'll let Joe explain it. When you watch the video watch Joe poorly read from a script and the other fellow smirking its so shady its not even funny. Funny the part I want starts at 4:20  far out man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toYbyLd6v5s&t=4m20s Haha  * jmordica missed the Public Speaking 101 class.. haha ya i think i even saw spraypaint on your finger That was probably ketchup from the burger in the background! Spray paint?  |
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I have a simple question that many have been wondering about for a long time. What exactly is this picture of? Obviously these miners are not operational. Duh.  Are these miners from GAW's retail inventory that were unboxed for this staged photo-op to convince people that GAW had actual mining capability?  I said this before, but I think it is still fitting: Josh has his normal smirk, and Joe looks like he just lied to his grandma in these pics. P.S: There are some that insist these pics are Photoshopped. To me they seem real. I guess the first question should be "Are these pics real", and then , if so, what do they show? |
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People who are accused of complicity in crimes claim they are completely innocent and have fancy stories to justify their actions? Holy Cow! This is earth shattering news! I am sure this has never before happened in the annals of human history. |
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TheMage, Paul Revere, eightcylinders XPY discussion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033894.0I migrated the content I could find. I'll clean up all the nested quotes and add whatever changes people have. Since THIS thread is primarily to expose the fraud? Make fun of Josh? etc. circlejerk over dank memes mostly  |
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TheMage, Paul Revere, eightcylinders XPY discussion https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1033894.0I migrated the content I could find. I'll clean up all the nested quotes and add whatever changes people have. Since THIS thread is primarily to expose the fraud? Make fun of Josh? etc. Community members "volunteering" (supposedly  ) to patch up Paycoin, which will benefit Josh and the rest of the major XPY holders and allow this scam to continue on is completely relevant to this discussion. Please refrain from trying to divert such an important aspect as this to another thread where it will not get the attention in the proper context that it deserves. |
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P.S: These comments about a potential fix of Paycoin not being on topic here are every bit as absurd as the fix suggestions themselves.
If that comment was towards me, I do not find the discussion to be off topic. I just find that the discussion to be hugely important as a general philosophical discussion. However here when it is just about paycoin it is a very crappy discussion about a very crappy coin so in here it is just crap. Not off-topic but crap. My intent with discussing possible fixes to Paycoin here is primarily in relation to the fact that supposedly upstanding members of the crypto community are volunteering to do something that I know for sure will actually help Garza & Co. and the entire Paycoin scheme and enable them to ensnare more victims. There are also some legal and moral quandaries involved. If this discussion bothers you, then tough shit. You are quite free to go start or join some other thread to follow the topic as you see fit. I am not following that thread fork, thanks. I am not bothered. I am a little amused for many things including that you seem to take this so seriously. You are not bothered, yet you find it necessary to whine like a bitch. Fascinating. I will decide what is important to me and discuss things on that basis. If that amuses you, you are quite welcome to sit around and giggle like a fucking idiot all you like. |
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P.S: These comments about a potential fix of Paycoin not being on topic here are every bit as absurd as the fix suggestions themselves.
If that comment was towards me, I do not find the discussion to be off topic. I just find that the discussion to be hugely important as a general philosophical discussion. However here when it is just about paycoin it is a very crappy discussion about a very crappy coin so in here it is just crap. Not off-topic but crap. My intent with discussing possible fixes to Paycoin here is primarily in relation to the fact that supposedly upstanding members of the crypto community are volunteering to do something that I know for sure will actually help Garza & Co. and the entire Paycoin scheme and enable them to ensnare more victims. There are also some legal and moral quandaries involved in any potential Paycoin fix. If this discussion bothers you, then tough shit. You are quite free to go start or join some other thread to follow the topic as you see fit. I am not following that thread fork, thanks. |
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Consider this: If instead of hard forking, the same folks get together and create a new coin called Paycoin Redux (PAX). They do an ICO in which any holder of XPY can obtain equivalent value pro rata percentage of PAX coin by exhanging their XPY for PAX; except Josh and any person or entity that can be identified with Josh as an affiliate or family member is banned from ICO participation. The XPY exchanged is destroyed. The result of this would be exactly the same as a hard fork, but you cannot possibly claim anything morally, ethically or legally wrong with that.
This I completely agree with. The issue with forking out addresses on the same coin, without regard for if it can be legally enforced as theft or anything else, sets up a bad idea within crypto-currency as a technology. Imagine if the governments had said "fork out all silk-road coins" and "fork out all mt-gox coins"... then they decide to regulate coins so that to launch a coin you need to be able to put a freeze on any address at the drop of a hat if the court orders it. It is much cleaner to make a new coin and throw up an exchange where any coin that's over (days-since-announcement-of-new-coin) can exchange 1:1 into the new coin. That means all staked coins die in their original chain and only those holding coins at the point of the announcement can exchange, so no arbitrage crap. But the people this is supposed to exclude are already in a position to take full advantage of this. I know for a fact that Garza was and still is mixing and parking XPY in varying amounts in many hundreds (probably thousands) of addresses. How does one prove who they are with a crypto coin? An Email address? Sorting out which coins belong to whom is simply not feasible, and returns to the same basic false assumptions used to try to justify forking coins out of the Paycoin Blockchain that belong to certain people. Garza & Co. have had a 6 month head start and have been laundering millions of coins 24 hours a day since the launch. Any plan to help improve the viability of or enable cashing out from Paycoin is going to help Garza and associates, there is no way around this. P.S: These comments about a potential fix of Paycoin not being on topic here are every bit as absurd as the fix suggestions themselves. |
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To Eric and Joe back away from PayCoin 100% and destroy your coins. Prove it.
Actions speak louder than words. Publicly state that PayCoin is a pre-mined scam coin and the whole enterprise, and anyone involved with its development, promotion, or sale is a scammer.
Agreed. This whole latest fork is simply to make Paycoin appear less scammy so that the scam can continue. If these people actually wanted to fix inflation they would pull the coins out of the Prime Controller addresses. If the statement " We will publicly burn the XPY staked from our PC's" bullshit smells right, you are very easily played for a fucking fool. Why create coins to destroy them? Empty the fucking address ya fucking moron, and then you don't create the coins to begin with. A fucking 5 year old could figure this out. What the fuck? Cmon, that is an obvious lie being tossed out to con gullible idiots to keep playing along with the scam for fucks sake. |
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Why are you guys even debating to kill coins or not to kill coins? This fucking scam needs to die. End of story. Every coin should be valued at zero. The only fork that should be considered is the one that fucking stabs it to death and renders every coin useless digital space.
I agree. The best way to fix it is to transfer all your XPY to BTC and use the BTC QT there problem solved I agree. What Mage and Crestington are suggesting is that Garza's coins should be identified and destroyed because they are "illegitimate", and that the fucking criminals who actually created Paycoin and helped run the entire scam and are now "Not associated with Garza and are therefore now the goodguys" should be entitled to keep their coins. The entire notion is complete fucking absurdity. I don't go for that Team Paycoin are the "good guys" bullshit either. Eggzackry. Then there is the issue of whether these crooks are actually independant from Garza or not. I think not, and that people like Mage and Crestington are willingly or unwillingly being used to try to wipe some of the stench of scam and the criminal Garza off of Paycoin so that the scam can continue. @ eightcylinders: . The fact is the crypto currency is property. Taking or destroying someone elses's property is definitely a crime. I am not saying that destroying someone's crypto currency can be successfully argued in court. We live in a world where it is successfully argued that brazen and obvious criminals are innocent and that innocent people are criminals all day every day. By your logic murder is legal because the glove did not fit. Why are you guys even debating to kill coins or not to kill coins? This fucking scam needs to die. End of story. Every coin should be valued at zero. The only fork that should be considered is the one that fucking stabs it to death and renders every coin useless digital space.
I agree. The best way to fix it is to transfer all your XPY to BTC and use the BTC QT there problem solved I agree. What Mage and Crestington are suggesting is that Garza's coins should be identified and destroyed because they are "illegitimate", and that the fucking criminals who actually created Paycoin and helped run the entire scam and are now "Not associated with Garza and are therefore now the goodguys" should be entitled to keep their coins. The entire notion is complete fucking absurdity. If the community decided to move onto a new chain where Josh's coins were blocked or stake rates changed in any way there is nothing he can do about it regardless of whether you say it's about property rights or not, morally right or wrong. A Cryptocurrency is never forever, it changes all the time and can be changed based on consensus, he would have to sue every single person who owned the PayCoin for deciding that they want to exclude him. What is "the community"? If by community you mean those that have at least 51% of the coins or have ownership and/or influence over other owners of the majoirty of the Prime Controllers, you mean Josh&Co. He is playing you and Mage for fucking fools and doing a damned good job of it. He has you trying to fix his fucking scam coin to try to make it appear less scammy , so he can continue scamming. Fuck that, and if you help him then fuck you too. Edit to add from the next post by Crestington below: "If you don't like the rules of the game then change the rules." You simply do not get it. The rules favor Josh & Co., and he is playing you and Mage for fools. You and Mage have both bought into the fucking lie that the pack of criminals now currently said to be "Not Josh" and are supposedly in control of Paycoin are somehow goodguys now. Bullshit. They are the same fucking pack of criminals that have been running the Paycoin scam all along. Of COURSE they are lying to you for fuck's sake, figure it the fuck out out already. |
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Why are you guys even debating to kill coins or not to kill coins? This fucking scam needs to die. End of story. Every coin should be valued at zero. The only fork that should be considered is the one that fucking stabs it to death and renders every coin useless digital space.
I agree. The best way to fix it is to transfer all your XPY to BTC and use the BTC QT there problem solved I agree. What Mage and Crestington are suggesting is that Garza's coins should be identified and destroyed because they are "illegitimate", and that the fucking criminals who actually created Paycoin and helped run the entire scam and are now "Not associated with Garza and are therefore now the goodguys" should be entitled to keep their coins. The entire notion is complete fucking absurdity. |
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Crypto currency is considered property by the United States Federal Government. Taking or destroying someone else's property is a criminal act.
I am well aware that forking to remove coins can and has been done, but this does not make it legal or morally right.
It is considered "property" only in a very limited way - for tax purposes. That does not mean that you could maintain a claim for conversion or theft if your coins were blacklisted. If someone broke into your wallet and transferred your XPY, **that** would be conversion. if you sell your XPY for a loss or profit, the IRS will require you to recognize the sale as income or loss. All true. Blacklisting a coin in a forked blockchain is not the same thing. You still have your wallet, still have your coins. Its just that no one is supporting that old blockchain anymore so the XPY you have in the old wallet becomes worthless. You would have to somehow argue that U.S. law would protect not just the coins as property, but also your interest in continuing to be able to use the coins on any blockchain. I don't see how this argument could be made. Crypto currency is property. Taking or destroying someone else's property is a crime. End of story. |
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i dont agree with that view Paul. isnt this staking change already theft then? because Garza wont be getting 350% anymore just 100% (he didnt agree to this) he can still use his 350% staking blockchain. people just decided that those are now funny money he can sell to his kids  heres your allowance kids! Just because something can be done or has been done does not automatically make it legal or morally right. |
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Paycoin was created. It is what it is. People have various amounts in their wallets. It is legal property. If fraud was perpetrated by GAW (And I do believe it was), this does not suddenly make it legal to take someone elses property because you have decided that you think someone else did something wrong.
You keep saying that blacklisting coins through a hard fork, or blacklisting addresses (same thing in your analysis I think) is "taking someone elses property". Aside from the merits or demerits of whether such is a good idea (and I am on the fence on that), I strongly disagree with your legal analysis. In order to make the claim that you make, you would have to be able to show that U.S. law would allow you to sue for fork that disenfranchised [GAWCEO's] coins. What would your legal theory be? Theft/Conversion? What property was taken from [GAWCEO]? You still have the old coins in the original blockchain before the fork. No one "took" anything. Its just that the majority decided to proceed down a different blockchain that excluded you from participating. Hard to see any property conversion on those facts, absent an act of destruction of the original blockchain or coins. Breach of contract? First off, you would have to demonstrate a contract. Who were the parties? Who would you sue? Everyone participating in the new blockchain? Every wallet that decided to follow the new fork? The fact is, crypto is a consensus currency. If the consensus changes, so does the coin. If the consensus changes so as to exclude one party or their coins in an old blockchain, then the new consensus forms a new "contract" (if you want to use that theory). The old "contract" consensus doesn't go away (there is no breach of contract, because the old block can continue), but the coins in the old consensus likely lose all their value as a result of lack of interest/support. The new fork creates a new consensus, new contract. I fail to see any legal problem with this. That is not to say I don't see the practical problems and the precedential problems (e.g., it might set a bad precedent and decrease confidence in crypto generally if people think their coins can be "taken" like that). But I don't think a legal claim of conversion of "property rights" or breach of contract would lie. Crypto currency is considered property by the United States Federal Government. Taking or destroying someone else's property is a criminal act. I am well aware that forking to remove coins can and has been done, but this does not make it legal or morally right. |
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hahaha if you're ever feeling bad about making a stupid decision just load this up and you'll feel better hahahaha what a bunch of Hashtards #gawtard4life #trug  |
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