Believe me, if I don't like you I will very clearly explain why.
And I will ask you to explain yourself.
And if you don't give me a good explanation but behave like a petulant child, I will NOT waste my time.

If I see you misbehave (troll, fud, try to derail the situation) why should I continue to cooperate with you?  

Agreements like that work both ways.

You already told me that you don't care about principles and that bitcoin is basically a shitcoin. (oh wow)
So my expectations are not very high.
But maybe you will surprise me.  

So, I placed an order to sell 10k SPR at a price of 1560 satoshis. (ca 0.014$)



This will equate to ca 140$ (at a price of 900$ / BTC), so that I can do the following:

1) Buy 2x Raspberry Pi 3 for a price of 45 $ each.
2) Buy 2x SanDisk microSDHC-Cards (16 GByte) for 15$ each
3) Buy some USB and Patch cables needed in bulk (20$)

Once this deal has been concluded I will consider you stonehedge a patron for the rest of the month plus all of february.

Why yes, ofcourse.  

That's what I was talking about all the time... sigh.

So, am I allowed to start selling from my SPR holdings (so that I can actually put it to good use), without everyone freaking out around here?  

Ok, I will start doing this now.  

1 sec, I will place an order.

Exactly, I'm currently in the process of creating my own dream wallet. I call it spreadwallet.

I create it using C++ in combination with Qt-Library and some others.

I hope that by doing this I will get a firm understanding over every tiny aspect of what makes up not just a wallet but also a node.

Also, I want to create it as a multiwallet (capable to work with many coins) and with integrated explorer.

Yeah, pretty bold goals I know, but you have to aim for the stars.

Here are a few videos about the current state:

https://vimeo.com/hamsterinthemachine



It's in a very early stage right now, and has barely any functionality, but I love working on it.

I plan to open source it once it enters public beta.

I suggest you wait until I send a preview wallet to minerpage, just2laff, pokeytex, etc.. and then you make a decision based on their feedback.

Soon I will not be the only one who posts screenshots or makes videos about the spreadwallet.

surprise me.

Anything that I can put to good use is appreciated.
I would be most appreciative of people who make regular donations.

But different people are in different financial situations.

I've seen people who have only been able to make small donations, but they have been very supportive of Spreadcoin so far (no fud, no trolling ever).
I value that too, so I will also take the general behavior of a person into account.

Also, If I see someone who helps Spreadcoin in some other way, for example by creating art or videos or putting together an android wallet or any such contribution (surprise me), then I will be tempted to give this person updates about the preview wallet for free anyway.
Provided that this person keeps delivering. :-)

I'll help those who help spreadcoin and me.

BTW, I'm still looking for ways to sell my current SPR holdings, so that I can put the money to good use right away.
I would like to kickstart the spreadminer (customizable miner) and p2p-network-testenvironment (raspberry-pi-cluster).
I've thought about it, it is probably not the best idea to sell all those holdings to one guy at once, so it might make more sense to slowly sell some of it off on the exchange while telling you what I plan to do with it.

So I take back what I sad earlier that I'm not going to sell on an exchange.
Actually, it's what would make most sense.

I'll keep you updated.

And BTW, if someone is still confused why a dev would sell his current coin holdings, you are ofcourse free to help me refill my address any time. (my holdings and my donations address are one and the same)

Friendly reminder: My goal is not to arbitrarily sell SPR, but to put them to good use FOR spreadcoin.

Pretending is exactly the key word here.



I will address your whitepaper and its relation to spreadcoin next.
But please allow me some time, I am working on that first early preview version of the spreadwallet for my patrons right now.

That is true, but nonetheless, an onion address is required to connect to a node that uses TOR.
Bare in mind that this is what TOR tries to achieve: that people don't need to expose an IP address, but rather something else: onion.

If you look at https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/

it seems that onion-addresses always seem to have the same size/length



Here they talk a little bit about the onion-format:

http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/29772/how-do-you-get-a-specific-onion-address-for-your-hidden-service

Not sure if this helps our case.

Thank you very much. Very helpful.

But none of the tests listed there try to resolve an 8-byte structure.

If this unknown 8-byte format has anything to do with TOR, wouldn't it try to represent a *.onion address?

I will admit that I have never used TOR,
well I have used the TOR Browser a few times,
but I have no technical experience with TOR other than that (yet).

coins101 has been very supportive.
And what's even more important: I have never seen coins101 overreact or throw a tantrum or something like that.

Just because someone disagrees with me (even harshly) or has different (or even opposing) ideas, doesn't make him a cockroach.

Cockroaches are an interesting species to study btw.
But so are other species.

Hm, maybe this is the "zeitgeist" again trying to tell us something here?
You guys know that I am also very much interested in altcoins in general (what I call "altcoin taxonomy")
and the spreadwallet already allows me to take a closer look at the protocol of many different coins,
which should help me find better solutions for spreadcoin.

So.... as a consequence of all that has been happening in this thread lately,
maybe I should also spend some time studying "investor taxonomy" or something like that?

Just to get a better idea about the flora and fauna of this "altcoin jungle" here and what drives people?



 

coin101, you deserve extra detailed answers, so let's get through this one by one.

First a pretty general statement in this post.
I will give more detailed answers later, to specific posts you made during the past few weeks.


We both have clear consensus on two motivations behind spreadcoin:

- create incentives for people to run full nodes
- figure out a mechanism that helps fund miners (because literaly no one is more important than them)

These are the two goals that you outlined over a year ago, and you will always deserve full credit for coming up with them.
If you hadn't brought these things to the table over a year ago,
I would probably be working on something completely different right now,
probably turning spreadcoin into a decentralized searchengine or something.
(And in a way I am still playing out those desires as can be seen with the decentralized blockexplorer etc...)

So these two goals are awesome goals, deep longterm goals that can be milked for a long time.
You also deserve credit for coming up with the term "servicenodes", atleast it looks this way when checking the post history back then.
You certainly are the first one to loudly proclaim (in a metaphorical sense) that we have now entered the "age of the servicenodes", lol.  
That is awesome and hilarious at the same time. You seem to have a special connection with crypto's "zeitgeist".

But having mentioned these two new goals that were introduced a year ago,
mr.spread has already defined a foundation for spreadcoin that is just as important and interesting and that we can never forget:

- decentralization as main credo (he talked about "true decentralization".... I have extended this to "decentralize everything")
- unique mining algorithm that we further need to explore/extend

These are research areas that I want to invest just as much time in, as I want to invest in the goals that were added later.

So far I think we both agree.


I don't feel attacked by the trolls, and I don't think this is in any way your fault.
It's like with the ISIS guy... to me it's just sad to see other people get influenced or scared away by the trolls.
But I couldn't care less, this will not affect me or my research/work in any way.
It's just interesting to try and figure out what the real motivation behind this organized troll activity is,
I do have a few suspicions, but that's for another time.

I don't think that it is false information, I get the same format from many different nodes (even from different coins), and it always has that 8 byte structure.
And it's also always "unique" ... in the sense that it clearly serves as an identifier like IPv4 and IPv6.

Also, I don't see any other exotic formats.

Just these three: IPv4, IPv6 and this unknown 8-byte format, that I want to figure out what it stands for.


Yes, this is how IPv6 is encoded in compact form, let's call it "human-readable"
(expressed in characters and colons, and made more compact by removing leading zeroes and reducing the amount of colos)
but when expressed in unencoded ByteFormat an IPv6 address always has 16 bytes.

I would almost bet that this unknown format has something to do with Tor, but I'm just guessing.

Let's find the location in bitcoin's source code where this is handled, so we don't need to guess.

Hey guys,

I'm working on a multiwallet, so I spend a lot of time talking with nodes.

When I do a getaddr-command and receive all the addr-data,
though I can easily recognize the IPv4 and IPv6 format,
sometimes I keep seeing a format that I can't identify.

IPv4 addresses and IPv6 addresses are clearly defined here:
https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#Network_address



But in some rare cases I keep seeing this undocumented format:


Anyone know what this represents?
Is this some kind of compact representation of IPv6?
Or does this have something to do with TOR/Onion?

Documentation has no info about this.

Guys, I wish to welcome you back in the official thread.

Hope to see you there soon.

Peace!

Yes, this one is perfect.
Complete with country-codes and the license is also OK.

Mercator projection lets greenland look as big as africa, lol, but doesn't matter.

Thanks.

While I work on the preview-version I promised to my patrons,
it would be nice if someone could help me find a good-looking worldmap that we could use within the spreadwallet.

It should be free to use, creative commons.
And it should be based on SVG format (Vector data)
possibly even have each country's border available as its own separate data point that I can access.



Any ideas?

I will leave you with that, I've got stuff to do.

Stay tuned.

BTW, in the spreadwallet, I have been including country-flags and a compact IPv4 and IPv6 database.

Both are free software or available under a creative commons license.

Country-Flags are from here:

http://www.famfamfam.com/lab/icons/flags/




And IP-Data is from MAXMIND GeoLite2 free edition:

http://dev.maxmind.com/geoip/geoip2/geolite2/

It consists of 3 csv-files that are imported into the spreadwallet.

Just for your information.

Haha, you are right, but I don't think the Spread community is the problem.  

Hey, I never introduced you guys to my other hamster.

female djungarian dwarf hamster, 6 months old , has no official spreadcoin name yet:







She'll become the mascot of the spreadminer.

I was just about to post this myself.  

Ahem: