As soon as the spreadwallet is in public beta, I will open source it.

Not before.

I will keep everyone updated.

You too.

PS: I swear I was about to post the same pic too. But for a different reason:


Anyway, enough for today.

People play different games.

The weirdest part about the altcoin sphere is this enforced conformity that I keep seeing.

I remember back when I presented the patronage idea,
I had suddenly 3 guys appear out of nowhere all telling me that,
"You need to do an ICO. That's the way it is done today.
Patronage can't work!"

So what was this all about, hm?
-->They are out to create conformity.

So...you seem to know exactly what motivates the masses and what drives them, but I am not so sure.  

Such a prediction can only be made in an environment that has been completely forced into line and where everyone behaves the same.

But this is exactly the part of the altcoin sphere that I want to avoid like the plague.

So, to a degree I agree with what you said about commerce.

But the more established altcoins always have some amount of commerce going on,
and even if its tiny, it serves an important role.
Keeps people grounded so to speak.

Those aren't people, those are sock puppets.

Having said all that, let me make one thing clear.

Everything I said today refers to only me and my role as dev.

I don't care and have no opinion about whether anyone else wants to use Spreadcoin for speculative purposes or whatever.

It's a permissionless system, do as you please.

Whether you do or you don't... I have no opinion about it one way or the other.


...

BTW is anyone here using Spreadcoin for commerce?
You know, that thing were you offer or demand goods or services?

No?

Hm.... surrounded by a bunch of speculators... I see.

My vested interest in this project is very deep, long term and does not require me to hold large amounts of SPR.

Why would it? You have yet to show to me why this would be a necessity.

If you are confused by this concept, I would like to ask you to take a look at bitcoin.

The lead developers there are not developing bitcoin because of some large amount of BTC they own,
I'm sure they are getting payed somehow, but they are certainly not BTC investors chasing ROI.
They also couldn't care less about the current price of BTC.
(In fact it would be horrible if this were the case)

Yet they are arguably the most commited and capable devs in all of crypto.

So they invest their time and brainmatter, but NOT their money.

How is this wrong?
And more important, how does this make them "not have a vested interest"?  

I would argue that this makes their interest even MORE vested, since it makes them truly independent.

I want to be more like that, and less like Dash (for example).

I ask myself this question alot, you know:
"What would bitcoin do"

So yeah. What can I say, it seems like you just proved my point.
You aren't even capable anymore of imagining that a dev could be driven by something else than just speculative investment interest.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.


You invest for speculative reasons, meaning you "speculate" that something will happen.
So don't make it sound like those are different things that aren't connected with each other...

What does that even mean?

Never heard such wording before... does this have something to do with PR-Investors writing whitepapers for a dev or something?

I always assumed that devs just to research and science ONLY.
Why would there need to be a protocol?
Are you talking about somekind of new ruleset that a dev has to follow who gets his orders and whitepapers written by someone who isn't a dev?

Please enlighten me.  

....

Anyway, all those posts today were long overdue.

And I haven't even addressed most of the weird comments and FUD that many (including you) have posted.

I might address some of them later, but more important things first. (like sleep)

Do you remember back in August/September when I openly started to contemplate the idea of "regular donations"
and how they could help me more than anything else to achieve some kind of consistency in my work output?

That's how the seed for "patronage" was planted.

You understood my reasoning very well back then, and I am thankful for the regular(!) donations that you made in the following 3-4 months or so.

I hope that you will admit, seeing the current state of the spreadwallet etc... that something has considerably changed to the better. Right?
Because regular support (even if it is small right now) is what is needed to achieve some form of consistency.

But do you remember how some other people reacted back then, once I mentioned donations?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1045373.msg16114566#msg16114566



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(How fitting that they are both crowncoiners now, lol.)

Their reaction:
"georgem already own lots of SPR, therefor asking for regular donations is an insult"
... is basically what I heard them say.

Their reaction set a thought process in motion in my mind that made it clear to me that something is very very wrong with the SPR that I own,
how I received them, why I received them, and what I am expected to do with them. (wow, think about that for a minute)

So let me get this straight, I have been carrying these SPR around with me for more than a year, but they never really were of any help to me.
And even worse, when I try to actually make use of them (like I am trying today)...
..many people lose their minds.

LMAO!

Yet, stonehedge will claim that I have received all this wonderful help from him.
Well... for this to actually take place I would need to actually "finalize the deal" and "take profit", right?

Which is why I want to put this money to good use, as soon as possible, and also get rid of it at the same time.

The fact that I still own a considerable amount of SPR, undoubtetly stops (and will stop) people from becoming patrons because they think:
"this guy already owns an ungodly amount of SPR, I'm not gonna help this stupid fucker."

I can't have it both ways.
Either I do funding through patronage (which means immediate support in the here and now),
or I hold large amounts of SPR so that I can "fund later what I need funded now"... huh?

I already made my decision.

I am convinced on more than just one level that patronage is the right way to move forward.

1) Those who want to help me can now do so. (and I can properly reward them for doing so)
2) Those who don't want to support me can just sit on their pile of SPR and angrily wave their fist.

That's how I see it. I love it that some people hate patronage, it's exactly the people that I already expected won't like it.

BTW, regarding cockroaches, I didn't mean you specifically. But feel free to be offended.

When a hamster meets a cockroach you know what happens:



(click for youtube video)

WTF are you talking about... I still have all my coins.
Until now nobody wanted to buy those SPR from me for the price that I suggested.
I'm not gonna dump them on an exchange.
That's not gonna happen.

You don't seem to be aware or even care that the dev should not be a speculator.

I don't want to hold large amounts of SPR.
I'd rather have a large amount of patrons, so that I will be able to do my research consistently.
I do hope that donators and patrons will keep sending me SPR ofcourse - should they be happy with my job.
And I will look for opportunities to quickly put this money to good use. D'uh!

Good use as in: paying my bills, buying hardware, etc.. which will result in me doing a better job here and invest more time.

Again, you have to understand that I CAN'T AND WON'T BE A SPECULATOR. But you can. You are.

My goals are entirely different than yours.

I want to create decentralized software that will hopefully attract good people and good value to SPR.

pokeytex posted a few fine questions in the forum that I am going to answer here too:


Clear, concise questions, I love it.

 

To buy hardware, right now, so that I can use it, right now.
I calculated that I'm gonna need about 4000$, which based on this low SPR price, means that I have to sell all my current SPR holdings, and pay the rest with a little fiat out of my own pocket.

 

Let me ask you back: if my efforts make the price of SPR rise, will you as a patron support me LESS or MORE? 


I love rich people, I want to be a rich person myself.

Rich SPR holders can't create centralization with their money.
Much like large BTC holders can't really do anything except sell or hold their money.

BUT: It looks entirely different when we talk about a mechanism like that used in Dash/Darkcoin (or other masternode-schemes):
Suddenly, those who hold large amounts of the currency get to control AND CENTRALIZE actual full nodes.

AND THEY EVEN GET SUBSIDIZED TO DO THIS!!! 

And THAT ALONE is what I have a problem with, not rich people.
I don't care who owns SPR and how much.
I care about whether this money can be used to compromise decentralization.

Servicenodes will NOT work like masternodes at all.

....

I can answer in more detail, but I'd rather not write these unreadable large posts. Nobody will want to read them anyway.
I'm awaiting your feedback.
I want you to absolutely understand my motivation.
There is much more to say about this, but one step at a time. 

The spreadwallet communicates directly with other nodes through TCPSockets, using their protocol.
For example for bitcoin the protocol is described here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation
You know, stuff like getaddr, getblock, getheaders, version, inv, etc....

All nodes, even SPV-wallets like androids use this protocol to communicate with other nodes.
It's just a matter of what command/message they send and if they are capable or willing to process the answer.

An SPV-wallet will never ask for full blocks from another node, because it just wouldn't have enough space to safe them, but theoretically it absolutely could.

...

Here is a screenshot showing how I currently save data that is received in SPV mode (basically by just asking getheaders from other full nodes, and other commands).

(getheaders return just the blockheaders. So the getheader_XXX.dat-files you see here are like a blockchain of just the blockheaders.)



All those coin's nodes are currently synced 100%.

It's interesting to see that SPR has by far the biggest size.

227 MByte.

Since SPR blockheaders are bigger than most other coins (most are 80 bytes, SPR is 185 bytes) and we are also a 1 min coin this adds up to 227 MByte,
also growing more rapidly than other coins.

Not that this is a problem, but just an interesting fact.

...

When spreadwallet connects with a local fullnode it doesn't need to save any extra data, it just asks that local node for everything.
I'm not using RPC or anything like that.
The spreadwallet is directly acting as a node itself so that it can communicate with the local (or external) full node through TCP.

Some of you guys don't seem to understand the difference between investing and patronage.

So let me explain:

When an investor gives you money he wants to control everything you do.
You have become his investment and he will control every step you do,
possibly even outright ordering you around (writing your whitepapers, choosing the interviews you're supposed to have, releasing press statements...)

But patronage works differently.
Patrons support you because they like what they see, they agree with it and they want to see more.

Do you get it now? 

So please, if your idea of support means that you want to gain control over what I do, 
then STOP giving me money, because you will be wasting both my time AND your money.

I reserve the right to choose who I want to work with.
Just because you make a donation doesn't mean I owe you something.

I am here to create decentralized software which hopefully will add value to SPR.
That I owe to the miners and everyone who holds and uses SPR.

Now this is very revealing. 

I will quote you:


I didn't yet have an opportunity to give you proper feedback on this weird interpretation you did here back then.

So what you highlighted here as "a framework for the community to have more of a voice" you now use to claim the opposite that "this will allow patrons to change the direction of development"?

That's insane, make up your mind, you can't have it both ways.

First, let me explain what I meant in that old post when I talked about ...

I always assumed that you understand english? So read the actual words as they are written here.

I merely meant that patrons will have the ability to decide whether they would rather want to spend their money on...

spreadwallet,
spreadminer

or

servicenode development.

We have miners that give a fuck about the wallet or servicenodes, and I have seen people who don't care at all about servicenodes but are very interested to see the spreadwallet succeed.

I want to give them an opportunity to decide where they want to invest their money.

Do you get it now? How could you misread this?

That's literally the only thing that this meant.

Also, I am always open for good ideas.
Why would good ideas require that someone first pay me money before I accept them?
LMAO.

BUT, if I got a penny for every bad idea I heard in this thread I would be rich by now.

Seriously, I heard you argue the case AGAINST decentralization more than once in the past few months,
and you seriously think that I would allow you to change the direction of development with such fatal ideas?

No, ofcourse not, if your idea is bullshit and goes against the principles of decentralization then I will just LAUGH AT YOU.



Holy fuck, some people are dense.

Whatever, just be sure to tell your master.

I just have, these are not even my SPR, doggy.

Ask your "master" for more details. 

Let me add to this.

I think it's a good opportunity for a few reasons:

1) Most of this money is not even my money, but a donation that stonehedge made that I was supposed to use for dev work specifically.
That's what I intend to do. I will buy Hardware specifically needed for the tools I am currently developing.

2) It's a good opportunity to switch to patron-only funding.
If my funding is dependent on how happy my patrons are, then this will create a healthy feedback loop that will benefit all of us.

3) It does NOT BENEFIT those big-time investors that have been trying for a long time to control EVERY ASPECT of spreadcoin.
And I mean literally every aspect of this coin.

4) It frees my mind, so that I can concentrate on decentralization.

BTW, nothing changes, I am just looking for a way to get rid of this money so I don't owe stonehedge any kind of favors.

Let me know your thoughts.

You seem well informed... for a Jr. Member account.

So... whose sockpuppet account are you exactly?

I hear that stonehedge is now writing crowncoin's whitepapers?


Bwahahahaha!  
Where have I heard that before... it's like reading the same book twice.

That's exactly what I am talking about.
In such an environment with people trying to influence devs and the outcome of a coin (by controlling every aspect: whitepapers, interviews, dev funding)
my independence is not an option, it's an absolute necessity.

I will explain in more detail soon.

Not sure if serious offer, but I am looking for a way to sell all my SPR holdings,
and go full patron mode from now on.

This way I can become a "truly independent dev", which will be needed if we want to take the principles of decentralization serious, and I think it will also send a good signal!  
I always wanted to be more like a Bitcoin dev (greg maxwell, etc..) when it comes to how my work is funded, instead of having it done like an Altcoin Dev (e.g. evan duffield who is simulatenously dev and the biggest currency holder).

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/spr/address.dws?ShutUpHxbuLdy22g9NE4afviUr2Cnqd68H.htm

131850 SPR.

I want to use this money to buy a few GPU models, hardware and lots of rapsberry pi's, which will be needed for the spreadwallet, spreadminer and my network-experiments.

Also, another reason why I am doing this is:
I can't claim to be working on a decentralized servicenode model (that doesn't favor big whales) while being a big investor myself.
It would be a conflict of interest.
A Masternode-Wealth-Redistribution-Scam similar to Dash (or mr.spread's implementation) will never happen with Spreadcoin, as I alluded here.

I have no problem with rich people holding lots of SPR, but it would a "nightmare on centralization street" if those big whales controlled most of the servicenodes.

How does 4 BTC sound?

As an extra: you will become an insta-patron immediately forever, and I will send you any future preview version of all the tools I create (the first spreadwallet-previewversion to be released very soon).

This is an open offer to everyone.

What do you guys think? Good move? Bad move?