Yes, I read all posts, but I have too many things I have to look after at the moment.

I say go for it, talk to him, spread the spread in whatever way you see fit.
It definitely looks promising, but I haven't yet mined any SPR myself... so I am not an expert to judge this...


So I guess tomorrow is definitely the time the ANN / Website / Forum will attack full frontal with a triple-attack-combo!

I am still doing some tests, I am sure I am going to find a nice solution.
Sifting thru the SMF forums right now...

BTW, it's not about reducing spam to zero (that's never going to happen), but just an order of magnitude less spam would be nice...

Success!

Linux binaries are finally here:

First the 64bit:

http://spreadcointalk.org/SpreadCoin64.tar.xz

Can someone test this please?
(both daemon and qt please)

I tested it on a fresh ubuntu 14 installation that had basically nothing installed on it, and it worked.

(so this means that all (or enough of ) the necessary libraries are embeded (linked) in the files now.
I can try and statically link even more libraries, but that could be unnecessary.)

Yep, I am going to implement that.

Damn! I am doing it again, ...



Later, guys.

Stay tuned.

The source is still the original one, I am not doing any change in the code right now, just replacing the missing linux builds.

I am an anarchist, I don't think that voting is doing anybody any good, apart from giving the population the illusion that they are in control (when they are clearly not!).

Fancy enough as a quick debate? 

Just make it harder for the bots to create accounts and post their spam.
There are add-ons for Simple Machines Forum that I am going thru, I will choose the best suited.

Update:

Website is >95% finished, and so is the ANN thread draft (I gave the ANN thread a similar design as the website).

Right now I am finishing the forum (adding spam reduction, moving everything to new server)

I am also working on the linux 32 and 64 bit builds (this takes most of the time, since I want to make them as statically linked as possible.)

When I have the forum and the linux builds ready we can go online. 

haha,  


enough said. (for now, at this place)

it's a pity we couldn't wait with this interesting discussion after the new ANN starts.

That would be exactly the best kind of discussion to start off the first few pages of the new ANN...

So I will refrain from the discussion for now, and work an extra shift to make the ANN happen sooner than later.

Stay tuned.

I urge you people to write any questions you have down for later, we are going to need interesting questions for the new ANN...
this Ann here is supposed to be abandoned soon... so what good is it anyway...

Yes. 100% correct in every aspect.

If this guy manages to setup 1000 functioning servicenodes that are being accepted by the network
then we shouldn't look at this guy as somekind of menace but as a really generous person that loves spreadcoin.

He helps the network gain strength, he adds value and every wallet owner directly benefits from this guys investment.

And you got that right, he will receive 1000 payments, but only for a very short time, since other people will want to take part in this profitable business too. ALL THE TIME!
so they will take away his seats very easily in probably a short time (if he lets them stay at 100 SPR each).

So our generous friend will need to slowly but surely increase the SPR in every servicenode he owns.

But it depends on how fast you will find 1000 voluntary people that are willing to not only provide 101 SPR but also setup a working servicenode.
So it can very well be that the guy who manages to setup 1000 servicenodes in 1 day gets to profit immensely by doing this.

And he deserves this, setting up 1000 servicenodes should be looked at as a gift, much like we should thank the miners when soon spreadcoins hashrate will be 100 Ghs/s and more...  

Only if you are the weakest link. And this can only ever be 1 specific servicenode at any give time, no matter if we have 500 or 5000 servicenodes active.

Depending on how we implement service nodes, there might only be a kicking happening every block time, so every minute, if ever.
A kicking always requires a newcomer, yes.
If there are no newcomers trying to "register" a servicenode, there will be no kicking.

And your Node can easily be reactivated (maybe with a certain time penalty, depends again how we implement this)
if you are just willing to add enough SPR to your wallet so that you are again "well within the spread"...

"well within the spread"... I like the sound of that...  

An investor can "simulate" this predictability by just investing enough SPR so that he is in the upper half of the spread of the collateral price.
There is always a certain amount of SPR after which you do not fear at all that someone else can kick your servicenode out, because there are many other people below you who will be kicked first.
Ergo we can have predictability of ROI too with SPR, it's just a matter of assessing what all the other servicenodes are doing.


When we reach maxcoins the network is basically only powered by all kinds of tx fees (and maybe service app fees), so miners and servicenodes need to cut this 70/30% too I guess...

Exactly, only that Servicenodes are more flexible.

1) You are allowed to even take 20000 SPR out of circulation with SPR, not just 1000 (as with DASH).
(but the more people do that, the less SPR are left, so the remaining people can run a servicenode with much fewer SPR than they could before.)

2) On the other side of the spectrum you will always see people who will succesfully run a servicenode with just 100 SPR...

That's why we call this coin SPREADcoin ...  

A very low entry price coupled with a fix (but slowly growing) amount of maximum allowed service nodes will guarantee
that about every other day or so there will be a new open seat for someone who wants to enter the servicenode business.
That's what I call "staying friendly towards newcomers".

Please keep in mind that this friendliness is limited and does not apply to all possible servicenode seats.
The lower your price is, the easier someone else can just pay 1 SPR more and kick you out (make you the weakest link),
and the higher your price is, the more you can relax because you are outside of the "meat grinding" that happens near the lower end of the spread.

Gosh I need to create an animation to demonstrate this, it will be highly amousing to see that visualized.

The problem is it excludes new comers from entering the game.

If you have price fixation as with DASH (1000 DASH) then this might be interesting for early adopters who payed maybe 20$ for their 1000 DASH,
but what if the price for 1 DASH moves to 20$?

How can a masternode price of 20000$ (1000 x 20$) be considered "friendly to newcomers"?

In the contrary it only serves the people who already have more money than the rest of us.

What if DASH goes to 100$? It gets even more insane.
Even more centralization of masternodes in the hands of early adopters or people with a fiat money powered agenda (banks, governments)

SPR will solve this problem by not setting a fix requirement (except maybe for an absolute necessary minimum of 100 SPR or even lower).

If people expect a reward before they start securing and improving their servicenodes then they are completely misguided.
They get payed their fair share ANYWAY (30%), and if this isn't incentive enough for them to simply want to improve the service quality... then they should not run a servicenode (or any server for that matter)

Me neither. In fact I had a lenghty disagreement with Mr.Spread about exactly this point. Shortly before he left us.  

I think the way servicenodes will work is with a 2-Step procedure:

1) is a servicenode even within the "spread" and allowed to run?
(This will be limited by the maximum amount of possible service nodes (Total coins / 2880 = Spread),
and if a servicenode is even willing to pay the minimum collateral necessary to secure a seat.
Minimum collateral is derived by a completely free market price discovery.)

2) After your servicenode secures a seat, does it provide the services it is supposed to provide with a reasonable quality (availability, throughput, not necessarily performance)?
If yes, good, if not, the system kicks the service node out.

Now, 1) is more important than 2), and regarding the competitive nature of the game 1) is necessary for 2) to even apply.

It is expected that people who run a servicenode will want to improve their server because it will then improve the quality of the services, which in turn attracts investors in the first place.
It is not necessary to let the protocol reward people who have access to the best server hardware (with the best performance) and hereby exclude other people who have only access to average server hardware.
(which doesn't have best performance, but still a reasonable amount of availability and data throughput)

No, it is only necessary to punish and exclude the free loaders. (people who deliberately try to game the system by installing servicenodes that get payed while providing nothing)
I think availability and throughput is more easily assessable than "performance".
What I mean with that, if a servicenode is highly available but rather slow, it should stay in the race and help contribute to the service network,
it can't be that only very fast low ping servers are allowed to play this game, because this game is not merely about speed.
There are other factors.

This really depends on the specific nature of a service.
Some need more speed, other more harddisk space, others more availability, etc...

So: no, there will never be a node score that is partially based on how many coins you have on your account.
There will be scores alright, but like some kind of policing mechanism the score is only here to strictly control if the service nodes are playing by the rules or not.
Scores are not here to reward those who offer a better service.

So to go back to the 2-Step procedure:

1) Competitive Pricing mechanism (how much are you willing to pay?) ---> Completely freely moving parameter.
2) Strict policing to exclude free loaders (are you playing by the rules or not?) ---> Strict boolean value of true or false

2) doesn't need to influence the competitive nature of 1)
2) is just a switch, while 1) is a spread.

And most importantly only 1) is tied to the amount of coins you have in your servicenode.
2) doesn't give a sh*t if you have 10000 SPR or only 100 SPR in your wallet.
It will judge you no matter what.


EDIT: An example:

Suppose we have a service application codenamed "Spread the Search" which acts as a decentralized search engine.

Now, to decide if a servicenode plays by the rule we could introduce a general rule like:
"is the servicenode crawling and indexing atleast 10000 websites a day?"

If no, the servicenode is kicked out.

If yes, the servicenode is not getting additional rewards if it crawls 20000 websites a day, because this is not necessary.
No, it will simply have passed the test, no need to reward the "overachievers", because it can be expected that people will want to improve their server hardware ANYWAY,
because it will improve the service overall and therefor attract more investors.

Yes, bittrex.

I wasn't even aware that it was listed at other exchanges too?
Bittrex is the only exchange where SPR has had and is having any reasonable amount of volume.