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1401  Other / Meta / Re: Should Ponzi = Negative trust on: January 19, 2015, 09:49:43 PM
Ok. I'd like to switch my address to 16MtvTUvqwwKwV87nayxPLHTJJZNGPa9qw. I owe him some money so I'd like my earnings to go to that address instead.
Thanks!

If that isn't some damning ass evidence  Shocked Shocked

williamj2543 you got caught planning your scam within the first page. Nice detective work Quickseller
1402  Economy / Gambling / Re: My Soccer Picks on: January 19, 2015, 08:55:03 PM
You'll need an extended period of winning picks before people start to donate but good luck  Smiley
1403  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: NYC and NJ btc Delivery service on: January 19, 2015, 08:05:25 PM

Up to 20btc available as of writing.
Call Either Jesse at 516 974 4477 or Quentin at 212 390 8093 if you want to make a deal.

Giving out phone numbers online..


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We come meet you anywhere in NYC, Long island, or Jersey.

Offering to meet "anywhere in NYC" or Jersey for 20 BTC trades?

Seriously? Clearly these guys were already involved in very risky behavior, too many drugs must have given them a sense of invincibility.

Thats not too crazy? They could always meet clients in a bank or something. Not that risky imo.


"We will deliver at any time."

Banks close at 5pm, so where do you meet someone who wants a midnight delivery?

True. For some reason I thought they would use common sense.
1404  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Buying 0.675 BTC Via CC on: January 19, 2015, 07:56:48 PM
Even with escrow credit card payments are risky. Use a service like coin.mx or Circle/Coinbase
1405  Other / Meta / Re: Should Ponzi = Negative trust on: January 19, 2015, 07:45:16 PM
There is literally another thread with the same name on the first page. You've made no new points or arguments to defend Ponzis. Yes, I guarantee you would receive negative trust. You are facilitating scammy behavior by continuing to defend ponzi games/schemes/scams/shenanigans.
1406  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: NYC and NJ btc Delivery service on: January 19, 2015, 06:31:09 PM

Up to 20btc available as of writing.
Call Either Jesse at 516 974 4477 or Quentin at 212 390 8093 if you want to make a deal.

Giving out phone numbers online..


Quote
We come meet you anywhere in NYC, Long island, or Jersey.

Offering to meet "anywhere in NYC" or Jersey for 20 BTC trades?

Seriously? Clearly these guys were already involved in very risky behavior, too many drugs must have given them a sense of invincibility.

Thats not too crazy? They could always meet clients in a bank or something. Not that risky imo.
1407  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Selling/Buying BTC with Paypal (1-5$ Limit) on: January 19, 2015, 07:22:39 AM
SCAMMED
I was just scammed 4$. Don't trust, DO NOT!

Incredible how pathetic people are to scam for literal dollars.

Do you have transaction proof?
1408  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi "Game" == Negative Trust? on: January 19, 2015, 07:16:23 AM
with the stupidity i see in this topic, no wonder these scams keep showing up daily ... "ponzi is a game" .... jesus christ ....  Huh

+1. A ponzi is a fraud, period. Just changing the word scheme in a Ponzi scheme to game is not making it legit.

+1

The others who claims different, there are 2 options :
1. u're incredible naive ( i tried to be nice)
2. u're behind these scams and try to convince us they are a game (rofl)

There is no way to defend ponzis with logical arguments.

How much overwhelming forum support is needed before any action is taken for a different section?

I'm not sure a different section 4 Ponzi would suffice; also, making an ad-hoc section for them seems to be exposing the bitcointalk forum (and its Admins) to legal liability for "supporting" them. I think a better solution is if everyone here hand to Ponzi runners a fair share of -ve trust.

The negative trust isn't doing anything. The Gambling board, as we speak, is overrun completely even with all the operators carrying red trust. 3/4 threads are hyip related. They scam with a brand new account and then make a new one. If there were some kind of restriction for newbie new posts, it would help. Newbie jail, like the forum had before, would curtail the number of new threads and shill posters.
I agree, the giving of negative trust is not stopping people from investing, at least not on some of the ponzis. I have also noticed that ponzis are getting away with negative trust by using two accounts, one to create their OP and others to post from to give updates, this forces people to read entire threads they have no interest in participating in to determine if their "spokesperson" account has negative trust.

I don't think theymos is going to institute any newbie restrictions although I do think it would at least slow down the ponzis. Ironically allowing so many newbies to create crap threads is probably hurting actual newbies who potentially want to participate in some kind of casino and/or gambling game because it is very difficult to navigate the gambling section without having to go past a huge number of ponzi sites/games. As a result they will probably not participate in any bitcoin related ponzis.

I am a big supporter of a "free market" however all these ponzi's really are giving bitcoin a very bad name, and will probably make a "good" number of people lose confidence in bitcoin in general.

I am curious to know if anyone is able to point to a ponzi that has been around for at least two weeks, had at least 50 participants and has not scammed. Does anyone know of any?

This is not cloud mining when 80% of the companies are scams, this is, as far as I can tell a phenomena where all of the sites/games are a scam.

I would wager my wallet there are none. If it's such a profitable venture for operators through fees and high entertainment value for the gamblers, why have there been no long standing ponzi games? These games aren't a novel concept.

Theymos asked if the people posting and visiting the gambling section are irritated. Yes, we are irritated. The gambling section has BECOME the ponzi section. I can't find any sports picks threads. Casinos and other gambling threads have been pushed back several pages. Any other threads are complaining about ponzis, recruiting for ponzis, or supporting ponzis. It's become complete shit.

Please save our section Theymos/Badbear
1409  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: carpecharta.com - Private Ponzi - 118 btc Hot wallet for payment - Don't wait. on: January 19, 2015, 06:31:08 AM
Another one with the free crappy github script ..

sign proof of your so called 118 btc hot wallet, anyone can burn small fees and simply send it to a big wallet
whats the use of the 118 wallet when customers payouts are not backed up by it.


Is only you check it: https://blockchain.info/address/1KobtAffbMdg1N7PQpHJupvVg8rAsZsMxa

Check the transactions there.

That doesn't prove anything. Sign a message with that address.
1410  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: carpecharta.com - Private Ponzi - 118 btc Hot wallet for payment - Don't wait. on: January 19, 2015, 06:22:01 AM
The sites and marketing of each ponzi get worse and worse. Scammers are getting fucking lazy.

Where is the hot wallet and signed message that you own the address?
1411  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi "Game" == Negative Trust? on: January 19, 2015, 06:17:19 AM
with the stupidity i see in this topic, no wonder these scams keep showing up daily ... "ponzi is a game" .... jesus christ ....  Huh

+1. A ponzi is a fraud, period. Just changing the word scheme in a Ponzi scheme to game is not making it legit.

+1

The others who claims different, there are 2 options :
1. u're incredible naive ( i tried to be nice)
2. u're behind these scams and try to convince us they are a game (rofl)

There is no way to defend ponzis with logical arguments.

How much overwhelming forum support is needed before any action is taken for a different section?

I'm not sure a different section 4 Ponzi would suffice; also, making an ad-hoc section for them seems to be exposing the bitcointalk forum (and its Admins) to legal liability for "supporting" them. I think a better solution is if everyone here hand to Ponzi runners a fair share of -ve trust.

The negative trust isn't doing anything. The Gambling board, as we speak, is overrun completely even with all the operators carrying red trust. 3/4 threads are hyip related. They scam with a brand new account and then make a new one. If there were some kind of restriction for newbie new posts, it would help. Newbie jail, like the forum had before, would curtail the number of new threads and shill posters.
1412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: xpy.paytripler.com High Risk Investment... 300% Payouts!! on: January 19, 2015, 05:51:44 AM
Lol 300%. Really appealing to the greedy side of the stupid people are we?
1413  Other / Off-topic / Re: Breaching Area 51 on: January 19, 2015, 05:28:21 AM
Typical security, nothing special. It's a military instalation, so it's normal they had somebody watching the main entrance. I used to sneak into a military training site when I was a kid and look for shells and bullets, even got caught once but they let me off with a warning Cheesy

Not dangerous? Don't they have live firing exercises?
1414  Other / Off-topic / Re: Girlfriend of many years cheats on you, you end it and that night you do what?.. on: January 19, 2015, 05:26:51 AM
Depends what kind of guy you are. Most get really hurt emotionally and shut down for a few weeks. This is the worst

Gotta get out and meet new girls or bang out some female friends until you forget about that cheating cunt.
1415  Other / Meta / Re: Please give another section to ponzis... on: January 19, 2015, 05:00:33 AM
This has come up before. The main issue is that ponzis are very similar to both other gambling sites and real investment sites, so it's difficult to create a category that includes exactly the right things. How about this:

Quote
Investor-based games
Games where the main factor is whether or not new "investors" join the game. Also any Bitcoin-denominated investment product with an APR of 15% or more, which are similarly risky even if they're not actually paying interest using investor deposits.

Would this description cover any real investments or non-ponzi gambling sites? Would it fail to cover any ponzis that have existed in the Bitcoin ecosystem?

Also, are any actual users of the Gambling section irritated by this, or are people just trying to hide this kind of game? Is anyone against the creation of this section?

Is this section going to be created?
1416  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi "Game" == Negative Trust? on: January 19, 2015, 04:58:50 AM
with the stupidity i see in this topic, no wonder these scams keep showing up daily ... "ponzi is a game" .... jesus christ ....  Huh

+1. A ponzi is a fraud, period. Just changing the word scheme in a Ponzi scheme to game is not making it legit.

+1

The others who claims different, there are 2 options :
1. u're incredible naive ( i tried to be nice)
2. u're behind these scams and try to convince us they are a game (rofl)

There is no way to defend ponzis with logical arguments.

How much overwhelming forum support is needed before any action is taken for a different section?
1417  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: What are all these ponzi offers? on: January 19, 2015, 04:55:09 AM
Weren't ponzies supposed to be scam? then why do they advertise themselves as that?
Do they give you a service to scam other people or something? first time I'm in this section on the forum and I'm really confused lol.

They are scams but mods are not allowed to remove them.

Anything with Ponzi in the title you should ignore.
1418  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi schemes are flooding gamblig section everyday more on: January 17, 2015, 07:52:04 PM
Never seen so much support for another board so where is it? What needs to happen for it to take affect ?
1419  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Charlie Shrem is scammer, watch out on: January 17, 2015, 04:40:15 AM
Coindesk kind of just busted Charlie. Seems he is just avoiding this thread, but is alive and well in communication with them and on social media. Even has people donating to his commissary fund.

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-twitter-price-plunge/

https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/with_replies

Lol he can post on twitter about price but can't post here or deal with his debts like a "try honest bitcoiner"?

This is pathetic.

No way for people to confront him about it on social media so he'll have to address it?
1420  Other / Meta / Re: Ponzi "Game" == Negative Trust? on: January 17, 2015, 01:12:59 AM
I don't think that the negative trust is because of them running a game as you call it. it's rather the fact that whatever is going to happen the owner is going to get away with people's BTC.

I mean, this isn't anything different from a casino site? They have the same capacity to scam... Or even an exchange?

Casinos and exchanges are businesses. They try to maintain a reputation to keep their costumers. I'm sure majority of users here wouldn't use a casino or exchange if their service quality wasn't rock solid. Most long standing businesses are ran honestly and surely are not built with the sole intention to scam people when the owner decides to close his sceme down.

Why not let the consumer decide for themselves then instead of negging every possible scam. Why not neg someone when they do scam?

What the fuck kind of reasoning is this? It's called being proactive and helping people.

Go into the lending section then and lend your funds to every newbie who promises to pay you back.

When I go to the lending section, I decide for myself what I want to and don't want to trust. Same with gambling sites.

You answer that point. Why not answer the one I produced before?

If ponzi is such a legitimate gamble as well as profitable for a long time operator, where are the long term ponzis? The concept is not new. There were streams of them last year. Where are they now?

I wasn't here last year, also I'm talking about ponzi games... Not ponzis.

Do a quick search. The skeletons of them are still here.

And those were ponzi GAMES

I'm just saying you can't judge a site by the past of others... I'm done with this thread for now, I've made my point clear enough. If you'd like to see what my thoughts are just look back in the earlier posts.

Are you leaving because your points have been refuted?

Anyone can judge the characters of the people who are opening sites deemed shady. You should have to prove and earn trust. Not have it given to you from your first post. Like you said you haven't been here that long. Maybe you should trust the judgement of other members that have seen hundreds of these scams such as ponzi GAMES. We were right about Bitcoin-stocks, and we are right about this ponzi craze too. Unless you have a vested interest in these scams, your reasoning makes no sense.
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