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I was thinking it would be an idea to have a video conference, including anyone from here that wanted to chime in.
I'm not sure what there is to be gained from this idea though.
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OK, so supposedly this guy DAVE says that he had a skype call with Jim and saw the 3.2TH (or 2.4TH model) hashing.
They have these newer models built out and hashing already, but we can't get a single photo or video of the 1.2TH's hashing.
I'm calling bullshit on this. If it is true, then they are mining with the rigs to make profit.
Remember, one of the first things AMT_Miners said was "We are not miners!" - We should of taken that as the opposite apparently.
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nope - But i've talked to Josh on the phone, and he seems like a great guy. Really my name is Max Goldstein, and i'm just a guy who's already tucked in his family and see exactly what your doing to this company - helping them sell. Go away because no one likes you.
BAHAHAHAHAAAA. Funniest shit I've read all night! Thanks for the laughs. You're buying from them and helping them sell too? Good luck with that. |
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The case looks great!!! Long time waiting for that pic.. Good stuff guys!! "GOOD STUFF GUYS!" meanwhile the pictures are crap. We have a picture of the back of a guy with computer hardware strewn about, 2 photos of the heatsyncs on a drill, the corner of a computer case, and 2 more photos of the packing material. Whoopiee!!!!!! Who's operating the camera and posting these, a chimpanzee? Even a monkey would do a better job of updating customers. Get real. |
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Stan-O: I agree, it would be in their best intention to mine with the equipment...I mean, do you REALLY believe if they have these finished miners, they aren't going to run them and collect BTC themselves??? They admitted already that they mine them to test. RWMAX:You signed up right after I started preaching about JOSHUA ZIPKIN being responsible for AMT and these lack of updates: and started bashing on me to protect Joshua and AMT. You most likely are JOSHUA ZIPKIN: comparing AMT_Miners posts and yours, they READ THE SAME.
10. I'm a Jew - and I'd rather work with another Jew - it just makes for better business. Trust me, they'll ship to all the Rosenbergs and Goldsteins before all the Johnsons and Peterson's. They'll never admit it, but Jews take care of each other, it's how it's always been.
Ridiculous comment.
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 I Googled the above image because it wasn't familiar to me at the time. I now recognize it. Joshua Zipkin has been using this image all the way up to Feb. 22, 2014, five days ago. Is Joshua Zipkin some sort of marketing genius or aspiring to be one? I tell you what. His social media accounts, along with his dad's, just aren't adding up. The pieces don't fit, even with the misinformation found in them, namely years attending college and years certain entities they control(ed) being skewed. That's the logo for the show Mad Men on AMC. I agree, all of their businesses are so scammy: SetupStarters: "Let us help you build up your online presence and social media". Yeah? How exactly? With FAKE Likes, Reviews and +1's". Just the fact that they've doctored up their own social media accounts with a bunch of fake LIKES makes them untrustworthy in my book. I'm also surprised they aren't selling magic dick cream online. I'd be curious to check with Penn State and see if Joshua Zipkin actually has a International Business degree from there. I'd be willing to bet CASH, that's a bunch of bullshit as well. If he does have a business degree from Penn State, then that University apparently sucks balls, because his business skills are terrible. |
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Just so you guys know, the above dickhead is RWMAX: he's basically here to reinforce good thoughts about AMT.
Amazing how he has all this insight into AMT's business.
Personally I think it's Joshua Zipkin or one of his lackeys.
He also has zero credibility. Take his words with a grain of salt. A bunch of bullshit if you ask me.
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I'm pretty discouraged after checking AMT's website and it shows 2.4TH and 3.2TH models available April 1st through April 15th. 2.4TH - $9,999 3.2TH - $14,999 http://advancedminers.com/bitcoin-mining-hardware/Is it just me, or is it far fetched to believe they will have these newer models ready that quickly? I feel like whoever invests in these models will go through the same waiting games that we have. Probably another 'unforseen 3 month delay'. How about this: we are all worried about these delays and lost ROI: aren't we candidates for a newer model due to these delays? |
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isawhim... you remind me of myself 2 months ago. all hope and no brains.
now no hope and still no brains. sorry. I couldn't resist. ...and no miners. ISAWHIM: That's right! I forgot, AMT was founded with absolutely ZERO liquid assets. We're lucky they didn't drop a tray of those chips all over the floor, otherwise they would have claimed bankruptcy. One would imagine a legitimate company would have enough cash on hand to deal with early returns, unforeseeable expenses, and things like that. I guess I just expect too much from a company. BTW - everyone wants this to be over with. |
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Perhaps we should all stop for a moment and talk about people that HAVE received hardware (80/128/192gh models) and how they feel about the build quality and whether they could return them for a refund.
From what I've read, there aren't many people in this thread (other than Biomech) that are happy with the hardware. I'm sure Biomech is content, afterall his was free: but others like Khanundrus and Stan-O would probably love to see refunds for these. They both mentioned they had issues with the reliability and shipping of the miners to them.
If there are more customers out there of these models, please come forward and express your opinions of the miner you have.
These 2 reviews alone, speak volumes to me about AMT's QA, as well as overall experience. We can make up hypotheticals all we want, but at the end of the day the REAL reviews count.
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If this goes on much longer, this will be at the point of "beyond all expectations", and I will get my funds back. But until that point, it is still within my expectations. I don't see them attacking innocent customers. I do see them horribly defending themselves, which they just shouldn't even try to do, at this point. (Which I am sure they have stopped, because they are racking-up sales from all the ads I see running in other locations.) I'm curious how you plan to get your money back, as they don't seem to be honoring refunds at this time. The only way possible (as of now) is to find someone else to buy your order. We can only assume whether or not there will be a honored return policy after they ship miners (or if they don't ship at all). |
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I have this theory about AMT...
1> They take pre sales for miners dating back to October 2013.
2> They quickly buy up the hardware and manufacture the miners
3> They run the miner themselves during this 'early profitable period' and bank on the BTC made
4> After many delays; miners are finally released to buyers to avoid possible refunds.
5> Miners are essentially vaporware and cannot ROI due to the delays. They will work, but will not pay for themselves - and getting a refund on this will be difficult since AMT can argue they fulfilled their promises with "limited delays that weren't directly their fault".
This would explain the lack of videos and pictures, they do not want us to know these miners already exist and are hashing them BTC since last year.
Theoretically: If a few refunds are issued, it's not the end of the world (to AMT) because someone else will take their place. As we've seen before, they will not directly refund the customer themselves: they just become a middleman between someone else buying the pre-orderer's miner.
I know it sounds a little confusing, but what I'm trying to say is: customers have paid AMT directly (wire transfer/BTC) but when it comes to getting a refund, they (AMT) says someone else must 'take over their pre-order' for a refund to occur. The original buyer gets their refund, and is essentially replaced by a new customer (the person who took over the pre-order). AMT doesn't spend a cent to refund the customer.
AMT is a SCAM: because they are using our money to fund their mining operation. We'll simply get the used hardware afterwards (that does work) and after months of trying to recoup our investment running the rig, find that it isn't going to break even. By this time, any kind of refund is impossible. AMT will do everything to make you happy and hold onto that equipment and not get a full refund, but it won't matter because it will be worthless in less than a few months.
So, that is my theory. Is it far fetched? I think it's genius actually if it could be pulled off. You are basically spending other peoples money to create a huge array of miners that make you rich, then you pass the hardware off when that earning window has elapsed and fulfill the customers' order.
Please let me know your thoughts on this possible theory.
I had the same exact theory. My miner was supposedly tested before being shipped, yet it showed up with one of the boards having a bad chip. I would think the QA process would be to make sure all chips on all boards are hashing. What the hell else would you be looking for during this testing? Turns on, check. All chips hash, check. Ship it. When my rig arrived, it had 2 btc pools already in the config(Eligius and btcguild, i think), and Jim told me these pools were used for testing. I got a weird feeling right about then. Could be miners are being "tested" on real pools, until they are no longer profitable, and then sent on to customers. I know mine was tested on real pools, and OBVIOUS defects were not found during said testing. Glad i wasn't the only one to have this theory. I appreciate you taking the time to read my theory and respond to it. It is interesting that they ran your miner in those pools to test them. I wonder if there is a way to track the specific hardware's usage on these pools/overall mining history in general. |
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Why do u think he wants to sell, cause paying a lawyer to chase $5500 isnt worth it, when he takes it to the court, the court will ask AMT to refund his money, at which point he will then again have to chase them to get that money back from them. Hence he is looking for a easier and cheaper way out. its simple he is betting on they wont deliver, i am betting on that they will. Since i am willing to take the risk i pay 50 %.
Eagerminer: Your offer sucks. He should be entitled to a complete refund FROM AMT, right now. Personally, I'd rather sick a lawyer on that sack of shit Joshua Zipkin and lose every cent, then lose half my money selling the miner to an opportunistic bastard like yourself. |
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The idea that they are making them within the next few weeks is promising enough for me. Casirah: You got problems bud, seriously. The other day you tell everyone AMT can get fucked, and now you are with this "we're rooting for you AMT!" - You keep saying they are legit, but don't offer any reasons as to why that is. You are just ass kissing AMT now in hopes they will send you the product you've paid for. I don't get it, you changed your whole tune after they posted a few pictures. It's really hard to take you seriously at this point. they said they would refund my money but then backed out. they claimed if i removed my review only then would they issue a refund. I removed the review and can you believe this... THEY LIED! i have sent repeated emails asking nicely for a response/update or anything. the only response i have gotten is jim telling me he is going to punish me and "make (me) mine my money back".
well, fuck you Jim and issue me a refund. i was told by my attorney i needed to send a formal refund request - i did so yesterday.
isawhim... you are delusional if you think these guys are legit. i have seen the dark side of these guys. they are not "decent" people. they are crooks and nothing more. the best advice i can give you is get out while you can. they will screw you too. Clennel: That is complete horseshit. Post the email of Jim saying that please. I would like to know if ANYONE has received a legitimate refund DIRECTLY from AMT? I believe they are bound by law to give refunds if requested, and this whole 'selling your pre-order to someone else' shit sounds illegal as fuck. |
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I don't use facebook: Maybe one of you guys can dig a little deeper into the SETUPSTARTERS Facebook page. They have 83 reviews, most of them being 1 star reviews. Can you see if there are any written reasons to go with these 1 star ratings? https://www.facebook.com/SetupstartersWould it be safe to assume that if many others people; unrelated to bitcoin, have had bad business dealings with Joshua Zipkin's other company (SETUPSTARTERS) that it might be a sign of things to come??? Please find out for me, I'm very curious. Thanks! I guess you missed the post where I shown that Joshua Zipkin sells a service that increases your like on FB, along with upping ones followers on various other social media sites. Case in point: 9,941 likes · 1 talking about this · 20 were here Allow me translate: 9,941 people like Joshua site, but only 20, one of which is me, ever visited the FB page. Pretty amazing service if you ask me. What's even more amazing is that most of his followers all joined FB within a very narrow time frame, most following one another numbering in the hundreds. All my siblings FB pages are not even that tightly grouped, and they all really know mainly the same people. Also, on Joshua Zipkins main FB page, not once has he ever mentioned Bitcoin. Neither has Georgi of Bitmine.ch. Pretty shady if you ask me. It's funny that people question our motives, when there is this shady activity/businesses associated with Joshua Zipkin - the founder of AMT staring them right in the face. |
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I don't use facebook: Maybe one of you guys can dig a little deeper into the SETUPSTARTERS Facebook page. They have 83 reviews, most of them being 1 star reviews. Can you see if there are any written reasons to go with these 1 star ratings? https://www.facebook.com/SetupstartersWould it be safe to assume that if many others people; unrelated to bitcoin, have had bad business dealings with Joshua Zipkin's other company (SETUPSTARTERS) that it might be a sign of things to come??? Please find out for me, I'm very curious. Thanks! |
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ISAWHIM: I can't convince you that it was wrong of AMT to take that first step of replying to a few people here with their REAL NAME versus their handle. I think it's disgraceful and was kind of a bully tactic to get those people to shut up with the questions. If they did this within an email, it would be totally understandable - but they did it on this public forum, without any regard to the customers they were talking to. This is common sense, I shouldn't have to explain it. AMT gave up these peoples' names publicly (this thread) when they had absolutely no right to. It's a complete mismanagement of personal information.
Dig up Sirminesalot all you want and get back to me. I guarantee you that you won't find out who I am in real life. And no, I don't use facebook. The reality is, Sirminesalot is my handle, because I don't want everyone on the internet knowing my real name or relation to this thread.
ISAWHIM, we'll just have to agree to disagree, and leave it at that.
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this leading edge technology can no longer turn a profit. AMT blew it... they took too long. i want a full refund. anyone wanna buy order #610?
Didn't they say they were sending you a check immediately and you wouldn't get a miner (whether you liked it or not)? If they have sent you a check for refund, then consider yourself lucky. If they expect you to rouse up another buyer to buy your spot: I'd be really concerned and get that lawyer on them. empty threats. they have sent me nothing. par for this course dont ya think? I wonder if that Grumpysbeargirl's check cleared. We never did hear back from them (or I missed it). Well, have you inquired to them about whether they mailed you the refund or not? I'd imagine they are continuing to ignore you at this point. Biomech, thanks for your input. You know, at first I thought Biomech was biased towards AMT: and with good reason, he received a free miner from them! It didn't take long to read his posts and realize he is truly NEUTRAL and gives honest, common sense answers. He doesn't sugar coat the blatantly WRONG decisions that AMT has made over the past few months. Biomech, for this you have my respect. |
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this leading edge technology can no longer turn a profit. AMT blew it... they took too long. i want a full refund. anyone wanna buy order #610?
Didn't they say they were sending you a check immediately and you wouldn't get a miner (whether you liked it or not)? If they have sent you a check for refund, then consider yourself lucky. If they expect you to rouse up another buyer to buy your spot: I'd be really concerned and get that lawyer on them. |
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He gets off on being a crusader. He also gets a response. Just look at the BlackArrow thread. No official word or action til Bruno pissed them off. How do you know his crap isn't what put them out of business... Could be that they just said fuck-it, and screwed everyone, due to his bull-shit... (Not that I think black-arrow was legit myself.) Hell AMT almost abandoned us completely... but they didn't... due to similar crap. Yeah, blame AMT's lack of professionalism on US. You are willing to stoop to any level to defend them here. Before I even signed up to put my 2 cents in, AMT had already dug themselves into the shit. Don't blame their shotty ass business ethics on the users on this board that have made COMMON SENSE remarks and have raised valid questions (that never got answered mind you). |
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