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You are in the spreadsheet and you already have been paid in a seperate transaction together with kingcolex.

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You're waiting on a payment from me, not on a post.
I'd rather get the funds out and catch up on missed payments than do much explaining and talking.

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The way I understand it, bustabit and bustadice are two independent services ran by the same organisation, similar to eg BitVest and 777Coin, both operated by lightlord.
I do not necessarily have an account at bustadice if I use bustabit, or the other way around.
That's significantly different to two coin (BTC and ETH in my example) offered at the same site, where you can switch (or even exchange) between them with one click.

I'm fairly sure it does. If there was no altcoin gambling offered at CG, while the total wagers would be certainly lower than the combined total wagers right now,
I'd strongly expect the BTC wagers themselves to be a lot higher.

(Likewise the same might be true for bankroll investments and thus the bankroll size)

There is one you should consider. If you're unsatisfied with the investment returns, divesting is likely the best option for you.
You shouldn't be trapped in a bankroll/investment you do not like simply based on a lack of alternatives.

While that is true, it also helps to look at the reasons why it's the case.
One that is very evident is the bankrolls being of a significant size, without checking (so please correct me if I am wrong), I think CG currently holds the biggest bankrolls among crowdfunded sites for BTC and ETH.
If we take a look at the total numbers instead of the proportion, the wagers do not seem so low after all.

Instead of chasing elevatedly high wager levels to satisfy any kind of br/wager ratio, investors that think the wagers are too low can opt to divest, decreasing the bankroll size and restoring balance this way.

And the people responding are players at CG who aren't interested in a busta* like game, you have to respect that in the same way they have to respect your opinion.

Because more isn't necessarily better. And sometimes the best thing is to stay focused and instead of trying to do everything, do what you already do in the best way possible.
That doesn't mean there won't be any new games at CG, it just means the time has to be picked right and the game has to be as well.

I had to be away for a while for reasons outside of my control and things got backed up,
when I tried catching up on outstanding payments, the forum was under DDoS and I got blocked by cloudflare, making it impossible for me to do any kind of post counts.
That was some time ago now, and I know I should have caught up on everything sooner. I didn't. I'm sorry.
I'm also not trying to use this as an excuse, but just telling you what was up.

That being said, I've so far made sure everyone got paid for their time involved in my campaigns, and I do not plan to change this.
Give me some time to catch up with everything, and I promise you everyone will get what they are due.

Since this is my fault, if anyone does, it is me.

Lately, I have not been. I'd like to apologize for that, and for failing to keep you all updated.
I had to be away for a while for reasons outside of my control and things got backed up,
when I tried catching up on outstanding payments, the forum was under DDoS and I got blocked by cloudflare, making it impossible for me to do any kind of post counts.
That was some time ago now, and I know I should have caught up on everything sooner. I didn't. I'm sorry.
I'm also not trying to use this as an excuse, but just telling you what was up.

That being said, I've so far made sure everyone got paid for their time involved in my campaigns, and I do not plan to change this.
Give me some time to catch up with everything, and I promise you everyone will get what they are due.

There's a certain kind of phonetic beauty to that word, "cunt".
It just rolls off the tongue, always been one of my favorites.

https://www.provablyfair.net/about.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provably_fair
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/2012/08/31/bitzino-and-the-dawn-of-provably-fair-casino-gaming/#126dd5117593
https://dicesites.com/provably-fair
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rhJRWWAOOk

Need more links?

Ok, there's a few things to unpack here.

I've gone with bankroll rollover numbers because they are easy to calculate (combined monthly wagers / bankroll on the 1st * 100), and give you a fair idea of how active a coin is being played,
as well as what to expect in terms of profit. For a simplified overview, imho, this stat is both quick to retrieve and good for comparison.
 
To calculate actual EV numbers however, collecting only a combined wager stat is not enough.
As the EV calculates based on what players are expected to lose (together with the 70% factor,...) and this is based on the house edge of the games they play, I'd need to collect dedicated stats for all games.
This would bring the wager numbers I'm tracking from 1 per coin to 6 per coin (so roughly 50 additional stats to be tracked and calculated).


Now why does DOGE show numbers way over EV (currently 160%) on dicesites? From my previous answer, you can probably already guess the reason.
Similar to how I do it, dicesites only collects the combined total wagers from CryptoGames (there is no API for wagers per game yet, afaik).
The way they calculate EV is based on that combined total stat and the house edge on dice (given their name, that makes sense), 0.8%.
What's being ignored there is that other games have higher house edges, most of them in the 1%-2% area, roulette even at 2.7%.

If the EV was calculated based on every game with the correct house edge for that game, the number would come down and be near the 100%, where it is expected to be.

This is nothing exclusive to DOGE, as most other coins show similar numbers:
STRAT at 200%, PPC at 180%, XMR at 170%, DASH at 200%, LTC at 190%, ETH at 150% and BTC at 200%

If you take ETH for example, out of 140k ETH wagered last month, only 56k are on dice, and over 85k are on roulette.
Given the higher house edge on roulette, higher profit for this month is not an anomaly, but something you would expect.

It's been a delay of nearly a month, but I managed to reconstruct the data I have used in previous tracking and everything should be the same from now on.
The chart and table in the OP have been updated with the numbers for July, another update with numbers for August will follow in the next days.

Here are the numbers for July (Month #8):

BTC investment: 0.232% increase.
ETH investment: 5.850% increase.
LTC investment: 1.143% increase.
XMR investment: 0.013% decrease.
STRAT investment: 1.664% increase.
DOGE investment: 2.414% increase.
DASH investment: 0.182% decrease.
PPC investment: 1.185% decrease.
GAS investment: 0.015% increase.
BCH investment: 0.285% increase.

Average return assuming same investment in all coins: 1.022% increase.

The average rollover has once again improved a little, and in July was almost exactly the average bankroll size (100% rollover).
The average investment increase is at 1%, which is a bit more than expected based on rollover, and a decent result (especially seeing how the averag returns are steady at or above 1%).
Clear story of July (and probably of August as well) is ETH and the big rollover there, together with the huge increase in investments (5,85%) which helps offset some of the smaller decreases eg on DAS and XMR.
I didn't run the numbers, but if I were to do a weighted average, the number would have an even bigger impact, since ETHs bankroll is the biggest and makes up for almost 50% of the total combined bankroll.

Once again, sorry for the delay. I hope I can provide all further tracking on time. Thanks for sticking with us

I don't think combined, total monthly wagers are a good measurement to say whether or not competing in a contest is affordable.
Especially with low house edges like CG has them, you can wager a lot of money even with a small or medium starting balance (-> deposit).
Thus I would look at the -EV those players on the places you pointed out currently have. I'll use Dice (0.8% HE) for my calculation, as it gives us the lowest number and as Dice is the most popular game.
The numbers I'll get is what the players are expected to have lost when wagering what they have wagered, for the question on whether or not something is "affordable", I think that's a good number/measurement.

As you can see, you can realistically reach those wager numbers even with some small/medium deposits.

If you can afford to risk and possibly lose between $10 and $150 worth of crypto a month, you have a realistic chance of scoring a prize on the wagering contests.
I wouldn't say the wagering contests are exclusive to high rollers, with that in mind.

I strongly disagree, there's wagering contest on all coins offered at CG. Yes, the BTC and ETH contests are dominated by players with a big bankroll and if you're on a budget, competing might get hard.
But if you go away from the two (maybe three) big coins and playerbases, the contests become interesting even to small regular players.
Across the site and coins, imho there's options for everyone to compete on a leaderboard they have realistic chances on.

How would you even know that? Have you won one of the wagering contests in the past? Have you talked to the players that did?
If not, I'd encourage you to pop into the site chat and talk to one of the VIP players (those are the winners of past wagering contests) about their experiences and wheter or not they are satisfied with the way the rewards work.

Maybe you've seen 164BTC wagered and an expected reward of 0.36~BTC and concluded that under one Bitcoin is tiny compared to 164.
But that's combined, total monthly wagers, not the balance the player has at any point. At a combined maximum of a little short of $60k (around 9BTC right now), the prizes are nothing to scoff at, I'd say.

If we look at the percentages, the wagering contest gives you up to 0.22% of your monthly wagers back. The house edge on the lowest house edge game (ignoring the 0HE lottery) is 0.8% at Dice.
To a dice player, that means winning the monthly wagering contest, they get more than 25% of their expected loses back (their -EV here being the house edge they play against).
This is of course ignoring variance and other factors that might change their profit, but a potential 25% loss back is a decent offer in my book.

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You can like or dislike the wagering contests, I'm sure there's many players supporting your point of view,
as I am sure there are equally as many people supporting the view I've just outlined above.
And if you insist on disliking it, there's two options I'd say that are available to you.

The first one is to give constructive criticism. Don't just say "its bad, the rewards are too low, I can't compete".
Give your idea on how to improve it. Make a suggestion about what to change. Maybe others support your draft, maybe it can be implemented.

The second one, and this is also a perfectly fine way of approaching the wagering contests, is ignoring them.
Use the site without paying attention to the wagering board, don't try to rank high, play the way you wanna play.
Because CG has imho much to offer even if you do not compete in the contests. And there's ways to have fun gambling without ranking first on a leaderboard and getting a big additional reward.

Yes, I forgot to update it, thanks for the headsup. Done now.

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The chart in the first post currently covers returns for the months December to June (so 7 months).
The table in the first post includes stats for the total period (those 7 months), as well as detailed stats for just the last month (June).

An update for the numbers for July is upcoming in the next days, it was (/is) delayed by a few problems I've had to face over here.

The numbers I provide are directly taken from my own investments as a player/user of the site.
As such, they are (almost) 100% identical with the returns other investors get, and thus verifiable by everyone who runs an investment themselves,
should someone see a discepancy between the stats I report and their own numbers, I hope they inform me about my mistake so I can correct it.

With that being said, yes the 70% factor (not a direct commission, as the house takes 30% of investors profit, but also carries 30% of the loses, should there be any) is included in my tracking.
Numbers reported here are directly representative of my own and other investors profit.

Given the nature of the boards, I'd think it should be no surprise that we don't count posts in areas where your signatures are not displayed.
On top of that, paying for those posts would go directly against the intentions with which the boards were created.

There's no explicit rule because I didn't think it would have to be directly stated, most users of this forum should understand why the Serious Discussion forum was created, and thus why posts there can never be rewarded.
To avoid confusion however, I'll ask DogecoinMachine to add it into the rules for the campaign under the section of excluded boards.

Taking your (/our) word for that is one thing, however thanks to one of several advantages blockchain-based casinos have over their fiat equivalents,
we don't just have to believe stories about quick and easy withdrawals,
we can simply check the transaction history and take our own look at incoming and outgoing hotwallet transactions.

I had already plotted the balance for the ETH hotwallet address a few weeks ago when we were discussing hot reserves and how much cca would be available at any time to be withdrawn immediately.
Let's take another look at the wallet balance over time, in regard to the recent surge in ETH high rollers and their transactions, which are reflected in the chart and imo very interesting to look at.



The first spike up after block 6.1M is a deposit made by Kirkby, the spike down shortly after is their instantly processed withdrawal.

What happens towards the end and why the current hotwallet balance is close to 4k ETH is something that wasn't mentioned in this thread yet, but let's just say the recent betting volume was insane.

Time to rebrand to Ether-Millions.com (in reference to the EuroMillions lottery)?

Something that has to be considered there is the fee charged for divesting, as it is tied to how long your investment was active.
If you have a standing investment and add new funds to it, part of your investment has been there for a while already, and part is new, meaning it would have two different "ages".
I guess a possible way to handle that could be to always take the latest change date for an investment when calculating divest fees.

Part 2/3 (6 week each) of the back-payments has been sent:
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